[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Mathias Rösel
 Not only did Mesangeau use this tuning a lot. This piece has many
stylistic traits
 characteristic of him.
 I suggest he could well have been the composer. Otherwise someone else has
 deliberately cited from his work. Anyway Tombeau de Mesangeau might mean
 Tombeau by Mesangeau as well as Tombeau for Mesangeau. If my suggestion is
 right, this tombeau would predate the one composed by Ennemond Gaultier.
 Lex

Would be funny, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, I was thinking that
tombeaux in the 17th century were composed for real deceased persons, and
not just like that as a stylistic exercise like in the 20th/21st centuries.
Unless it be clear for whom this tombeau was penned other than for late
Mesangeau, I'd assume it was written at the occasion of Mesangeau's obituary
by someone else.

Mathias



according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:
 
  F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v
  http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503776m/f66.image
 
  That's a different piece, in one of the transistor tunings :-) May be
  BY Mezangeau.
 
  That is the flat tuning, (like Lester) which Mesangeau did use a lot.



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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread wayne cripps


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau
 Date: April 21, 2014 at 6:11:14 AM EDT
 To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 Not only did Mesangeau use this tuning a lot. This piece has many
 stylistic traits
 characteristic of him.
 I suggest he could well have been the composer. Otherwise someone else has
 deliberately cited from his work. Anyway Tombeau de Mesangeau might mean
 Tombeau by Mesangeau as well as Tombeau for Mesangeau. If my suggestion is
 right, this tombeau would predate the one composed by Ennemond Gaultier.
 Lex
 
 Would be funny, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, I was thinking that
 tombeaux in the 17th century were composed for real deceased persons, and
 not just like that as a stylistic exercise like in the 20th/21st centuries.
 Unless it be clear for whom this tombeau was penned other than for late
 Mesangeau, I'd assume it was written at the occasion of Mesangeau's obituary
 by someone else.
 
 Mathias
 

So who wrote the other pieces in VM7 6211 ?  Has someone published an analysis?

  Wayne

 
 
  according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:
 
 F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v
 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503776m/f66.image
 
 That's a different piece, in one of the transistor tunings :-) May be
 BY Mezangeau.
 
 That is the flat tuning, (like Lester) which Mesangeau did use a lot.
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Well yes, actually. There is a complete listing of the pieces in the manuscript 
and the attributionw whenever possible in Sources Manuscrites en Tablature, 
luth et théorbe, Catalogue descriptif Editions V. Koerner : Baden Baden et 
Bouxwiller, 1991. 
Ms 6211 is presented on pages 198 - 141 by Monique Rollin.

The authors are the two Gaultiers, Dubut, Dupré, Emond, Lamrare Le Gras, 
Vincent, Bouvier and anonymous...

There are two Tombeaux de Mésangeau. 1 on f° 8v - 9 (called Allemande du vieux 
gautier, D minor tuning) and the other one ob f° 31v - 32 , flat tuning) 

Best,

Jean-Marie

 


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Begin forwarded message:

 From: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau
 Date: April 21, 2014 at 6:11:14 AM EDT
 To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 Not only did Mesangeau use this tuning a lot. This piece has many
 stylistic traits
 characteristic of him.
 I suggest he could well have been the composer. Otherwise someone else has
 deliberately cited from his work. Anyway Tombeau de Mesangeau might mean
 Tombeau by Mesangeau as well as Tombeau for Mesangeau. If my suggestion is
 right, this tombeau would predate the one composed by Ennemond Gaultier.
 Lex
 
 Would be funny, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, I was thinking that
 tombeaux in the 17th century were composed for real deceased persons, and
 not just like that as a stylistic exercise like in the 20th/21st centuries.
 Unless it be clear for whom this tombeau was penned other than for late
 Mesangeau, I'd assume it was written at the occasion of Mesangeau's obituary
 by someone else.
 
 Mathias
 

So who wrote the other pieces in VM7 6211 ?  Has someone published an analysis?

  Wayne

 
 
  according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:
 
 F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v
 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503776m/f66.image
 
 That's a different piece, in one of the transistor tunings :-) May be
 BY Mezangeau.
 
 That is the flat tuning, (like Lester) which Mesangeau did use a lot.
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Bernd Haegemann

Merci, Jean-Marie!
We find the dépouillement also here:

http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1type=msms=F-Pn6211lang=deushowmss=1

I've never seen a composer named Lamare Le Gras in an other ms.
There is one piece ascribed to Mesangeau (some are ascribed in other 
sources to Mesangeau.)
One of the hands writes ton enrhumé as ton arumay which looks 
somehow English.

Crypto fans: what does Courante A.d.m.L.b.p.m.g. mean?
On 46v I would read Courante diminution instead of diminutivy.

Happy Easter!
B





On 21.04.2014 13:30, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote:

Well yes, actually. There is a complete listing of the pieces in the manuscript and the 
attributionw whenever possible in Sources Manuscrites en Tablature, luth et 
théorbe, Catalogue descriptif Editions V. Koerner : Baden Baden et Bouxwiller, 1991.
Ms 6211 is presented on pages 198 - 141 by Monique Rollin.

The authors are the two Gaultiers, Dubut, Dupré, Emond, Lamrare Le Gras, 
Vincent, Bouvier and anonymous...

There are two Tombeaux de Mésangeau. 1 on f° 8v - 9 (called Allemande du vieux 
gautier, D minor tuning) and the other one ob f° 31v - 32 , flat tuning)

Best,

Jean-Marie

  



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From: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de
Subject: [LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau
Date: April 21, 2014 at 6:11:14 AM EDT
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu


Not only did Mesangeau use this tuning a lot. This piece has many

stylistic traits

characteristic of him.
I suggest he could well have been the composer. Otherwise someone else has
deliberately cited from his work. Anyway Tombeau de Mesangeau might mean
Tombeau by Mesangeau as well as Tombeau for Mesangeau. If my suggestion is
right, this tombeau would predate the one composed by Ennemond Gaultier.
Lex

Would be funny, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, I was thinking that
tombeaux in the 17th century were composed for real deceased persons, and
not just like that as a stylistic exercise like in the 20th/21st centuries.
Unless it be clear for whom this tombeau was penned other than for late
Mesangeau, I'd assume it was written at the occasion of Mesangeau's obituary
by someone else.

Mathias


So who wrote the other pieces in VM7 6211 ?  Has someone published an analysis?

  Wayne




  according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:

F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503776m/f66.image

That's a different piece, in one of the transistor tunings :-) May be
BY Mezangeau.

That is the flat tuning, (like Lester) which Mesangeau did use a lot.



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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Lex van Sante


Begin doorgestuurd bericht:

 Van: Lex van Sante lvansa...@gmail.com
 Datum: 21 april 2014 16:24:44 GMT+02:00
 Aan: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de
 Onderwerp: Antw.: [LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau
 
 Mathias,
 
 I understand what you mean but for instance in Bittner's book there is also a 
 piece with the name Tombeau
 In France this would be named Tombeau de Bittner. Just like Courante de 
 Gaultier for instance.
 I was only suggesting a possibility. Mesangeau could be the composer or he 
 could be the dedicatee.
 
 Lex
 Op 21 apr 2014, om 12:11 heeft Mathias Rösel het volgende geschreven:
 
 Not only did Mesangeau use this tuning a lot. This piece has many
 stylistic traits
 characteristic of him.
 I suggest he could well have been the composer. Otherwise someone else has
 deliberately cited from his work. Anyway Tombeau de Mesangeau might mean
 Tombeau by Mesangeau as well as Tombeau for Mesangeau. If my suggestion is
 right, this tombeau would predate the one composed by Ennemond Gaultier.
 Lex
 
 Would be funny, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, I was thinking that
 tombeaux in the 17th century were composed for real deceased persons, and
 not just like that as a stylistic exercise like in the 20th/21st centuries.
 Unless it be clear for whom this tombeau was penned other than for late
 Mesangeau, I'd assume it was written at the occasion of Mesangeau's obituary
 by someone else.
 
 Mathias
 
 
 
 according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:
 
 F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v
 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503776m/f66.image
 
 That's a different piece, in one of the transistor tunings :-) May be
 BY Mezangeau.
 
 That is the flat tuning, (like Lester) which Mesangeau did use a lot.
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Lex van Sante


Begin doorgestuurd bericht:

 Van: Lex van Sante lvansa...@gmail.com
 Datum: 21 april 2014 16:39:59 GMT+02:00
 Aan: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de
 Onderwerp: Antw.: [LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau
 
 The PAN database lists a concordance for Barython as D-Kl 2° Ms. Mus. 61.L1
 The number of the piece in this PAN database is 3.106
 The lute version is in the french flat tuning as Mace calls it
 Lex
 Op 21 apr 2014, om 15:14 heeft Bernd Haegemann het volgende geschreven:
 
 Merci, Jean-Marie!
 We find the dépouillement also here:
 
 http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1type=msms=F-Pn6211lang=deushowmss=1
 
 I've never seen a composer named Lamare Le Gras in an other ms.
 There is one piece ascribed to Mesangeau (some are ascribed in other sources 
 to Mesangeau.)
 One of the hands writes ton enrhumé as ton arumay which looks somehow 
 English.
 Crypto fans: what does Courante A.d.m.L.b.p.m.g. mean?
 On 46v I would read Courante diminution instead of diminutivy.
 
 Happy Easter!
 B
 
 
 
 
 
 On 21.04.2014 13:30, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote:
 Well yes, actually. There is a complete listing of the pieces in the 
 manuscript and the attributionw whenever possible in Sources Manuscrites 
 en Tablature, luth et théorbe, Catalogue descriptif Editions V. Koerner : 
 Baden Baden et Bouxwiller, 1991.
 Ms 6211 is presented on pages 198 - 141 by Monique Rollin.
 
 The authors are the two Gaultiers, Dubut, Dupré, Emond, Lamrare Le Gras, 
 Vincent, Bouvier and anonymous...
 
 There are two Tombeaux de Mésangeau. 1 on f° 8v - 9 (called Allemande du 
 vieux gautier, D minor tuning) and the other one ob f° 31v - 32 , flat 
 tuning)
 
 Best,
 
 Jean-Marie
 
  
 
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 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau
 Date: April 21, 2014 at 6:11:14 AM EDT
 To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 Not only did Mesangeau use this tuning a lot. This piece has many
 stylistic traits
 characteristic of him.
 I suggest he could well have been the composer. Otherwise someone else 
 has
 deliberately cited from his work. Anyway Tombeau de Mesangeau might mean
 Tombeau by Mesangeau as well as Tombeau for Mesangeau. If my suggestion 
 is
 right, this tombeau would predate the one composed by Ennemond Gaultier.
 Lex
 Would be funny, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, I was thinking that
 tombeaux in the 17th century were composed for real deceased persons, and
 not just like that as a stylistic exercise like in the 20th/21st 
 centuries.
 Unless it be clear for whom this tombeau was penned other than for late
 Mesangeau, I'd assume it was written at the occasion of Mesangeau's 
 obituary
 by someone else.
 
 Mathias
 
 So who wrote the other pieces in VM7 6211 ?  Has someone published an 
 analysis?
 
  Wayne
 
 
  according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:
 
 F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v
 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503776m/f66.image
 
 That's a different piece, in one of the transistor tunings :-) May be
 BY Mezangeau.
 That is the flat tuning, (like Lester) which Mesangeau did use a lot.
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Mathias Rösel
  I understand what you mean but for instance in Bittner's book there is
also a piece
 with the name Tombeau
  In France this would be named Tombeau de Bittner. Just like Courante de
Gaultier
 for instance.
  I was only suggesting a possibility. Mesangeau could be the composer or
he could
 be the dedicatee.

That tombeau is lacking ANY name
http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1type=conclang=deuconc=586 –– the
difference being that the tombeau F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v seqq. does bear a
name: Tombeau de Mesangeau which translates as Mesangeau's [musical]
tombstone. Which implies, if I'm not mistaken, that Mesangeau was the
deceased person. 
As opposed to that, composers' names are given by the word par, as I've
often found. Not a native speaker here, but I'm under the impression that
this would be usual way. The tombeau written by Mesangeau would be Tombeau
par Mesangeau. 
The easy way to prove me wrong would be to find a tombeau that is headlined
Tombeau de XY where XY is the name of the composer.

Mathias



 
  Lex
  Op 21 apr 2014, om 12:11 heeft Mathias Rösel het volgende geschreven:
 
  Not only did Mesangeau use this tuning a lot. This piece has many
  stylistic traits
  characteristic of him.
  I suggest he could well have been the composer. Otherwise someone
  else has deliberately cited from his work. Anyway Tombeau de
  Mesangeau might mean Tombeau by Mesangeau as well as Tombeau for
  Mesangeau. If my suggestion is right, this tombeau would predate the
one
 composed by Ennemond Gaultier.
  Lex
 
  Would be funny, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, I was thinking that
  tombeaux in the 17th century were composed for real deceased persons,
  and not just like that as a stylistic exercise like in the 20th/21st
centuries.
  Unless it be clear for whom this tombeau was penned other than for
  late Mesangeau, I'd assume it was written at the occasion of
  Mesangeau's obituary by someone else.
 
  Mathias
 
 
 
  according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:
 
  F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v
  http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503776m/f66.image
 
  That's a different piece, in one of the transistor tunings :-) May
  be BY Mezangeau.
 
  That is the flat tuning, (like Lester) which Mesangeau did use a lot.
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Markus Lutz
In the catalogue by Brossard from 1724 (also online at Gallica) we find 
exactly this thoughts.


As far as I can understand - my French is very poor - Brossard writes 
about this tombeaux (page 379, II°), that it could be on the death of 
Mesangeau or it could be written by him.


Brossard, who collected and probably wrote these pieces, says, that he 
personally beliefs, it is a Tombeau by Mesangeau.


Not any proof, but I think this enforces the possibility to understand 
it either way.


Best regards
Markus

Am 21.04.2014 12:11, schrieb Mathias Rösel:

Not only did Mesangeau use this tuning a lot. This piece has many

stylistic traits

characteristic of him.
I suggest he could well have been the composer. Otherwise someone else has
deliberately cited from his work. Anyway Tombeau de Mesangeau might mean
Tombeau by Mesangeau as well as Tombeau for Mesangeau. If my suggestion is
right, this tombeau would predate the one composed by Ennemond Gaultier.
Lex


Would be funny, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, I was thinking that
tombeaux in the 17th century were composed for real deceased persons, and
not just like that as a stylistic exercise like in the 20th/21st centuries.
Unless it be clear for whom this tombeau was penned other than for late
Mesangeau, I'd assume it was written at the occasion of Mesangeau's obituary
by someone else.

Mathias




   according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:

F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503776m/f66.image

That's a different piece, in one of the transistor tunings :-) May be
BY Mezangeau.


That is the flat tuning, (like Lester) which Mesangeau did use a lot.




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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
The passage which Markus refers to is at p. 379 in Brossard's Catalogue and 
apllies t the manuscript which is now known as Vm7 6211 which one of Brossard's 
books. 
Here is my quick translation of this passage :
 There is also a piece entitled Tombeau de Mezangeau, but if this piece was 
composed after his death, we do not know who the author is. In my opinion, I 
would be inclined to think that this Tombeau is also on the death of the famous 
Raquette, mentioned above, because all his disciples composed Tombeaux after 
his death, and I think, although Mezangeau who, if he had not been not his 
disciple, had at least been his contemporary, did not want to fail composing 
one too, to emulate his colleagues. However, this is only conjectural. 
(Brossard, 1724)

Best,

Jean-Marie

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In the catalogue by Brossard from 1724 (also online at Gallica) we find 
exactly this thoughts.

As far as I can understand - my French is very poor - Brossard writes 
about this tombeaux (page 379, II°), that it could be on the death of 
Mesangeau or it could be written by him.

Brossard, who collected and probably wrote these pieces, says, that he 
personally beliefs, it is a Tombeau by Mesangeau.

Not any proof, but I think this enforces the possibility to understand 
it either way.

Best regards
Markus

Am 21.04.2014 12:11, schrieb Mathias Rösel:
 Not only did Mesangeau use this tuning a lot. This piece has many
 stylistic traits
 characteristic of him.
 I suggest he could well have been the composer. Otherwise someone else has
 deliberately cited from his work. Anyway Tombeau de Mesangeau might mean
 Tombeau by Mesangeau as well as Tombeau for Mesangeau. If my suggestion is
 right, this tombeau would predate the one composed by Ennemond Gaultier.
 Lex

 Would be funny, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, I was thinking that
 tombeaux in the 17th century were composed for real deceased persons, and
 not just like that as a stylistic exercise like in the 20th/21st centuries.
 Unless it be clear for whom this tombeau was penned other than for late
 Mesangeau, I'd assume it was written at the occasion of Mesangeau's obituary
 by someone else.

 Mathias



according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:

 F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v
 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503776m/f66.image

 That's a different piece, in one of the transistor tunings :-) May be
 BY Mezangeau.

 That is the flat tuning, (like Lester) which Mesangeau did use a lot.



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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-21 Thread Bernd Haegemann
   Some examples
   Tombeau de Turenne. Allemande du V.Gallot
   Tombeau de Lauffenst: (41) (Lauffensteiner)   : this is a piece by
   Lauffensteiner!
   Tombeau de la Reine de Prusse (
   Tombeau des Muses Franc,oises par Mr Gallot Vieux
   Le Tombeau de Gauttier   : (Krakow) a piece by Gaultier! = Tombeau de
   Mademoiselle Gaultier in La Rhetorique
   I would guess that in almost all of the cases in the construction
   tombeau de NN, NN is the late friend.
   Sometimes (3 - 5 cases) the composer is added by par .  There are a
   similar number of cases where de refers to the composer.
   One should have as look on the origin of these sources.
   There seem to be a little over 100 pieces with the title ..
   Tombeau ...
   B
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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-20 Thread wbc


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de

 On 17.04.2014 16:10, Arto Wikla wrote:
Hi,
according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:

 F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v
 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503776m/f66.image

 That's a different piece, in one of the transistor tunings :-)
 May be BY Mezangeau.

That is the flat tuning, (like Lester) which Mesangeau did use a lot.

  W


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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-20 Thread Lex van Sante
Not only did Mesangeau use this tuning a lot. This piece has many stylistic 
traits characteristic of him.
I suggest he could well have been the composer. Otherwise someone else has 
deliberately cited
from his work. Anyway Tombeau de Mesangeau might mean Tombeau by Mesangeau as 
well as Tombeau for Mesangeau. If my suggestion is right, this tombeau would 
predate the one composed by Ennemond Gaultier.
Lex


Op 20 apr 2014, om 14:29 heeft wbc het volgende geschreven:

 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de
 
 On 17.04.2014 16:10, Arto Wikla wrote:
   Hi,
   according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:
 
 F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v
 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503776m/f66.image
 
 That's a different piece, in one of the transistor tunings :-)
 May be BY Mezangeau.
 
 That is the flat tuning, (like Lester) which Mesangeau did use a lot.
 
  W
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-17 Thread Arto Wikla
   Hi,
   according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:
   F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v
   F-Pn Ms. Res. 474 Denis Gaultier, Livre de tablature, p. 8
   Perrine, Pieces de Luth en Musique, 1680, p. 8
   See:
   [1]http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=engid=1exFilter=1type=mssst
   =0title=Tombeau+de+Mezangeaukey=msnam=comp=
   Arto
   On 17/04/14 16:46, wayne cripps wrote:

Hi Folks -

  ]Is there only one original version of the Tombeau do Mezangeau, from Livre
 de Tablature des Pieces de Luth, ca. 1672, or are there some other versions in
 old tablature books?

 Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-17 Thread Bernd Haegemann

On 17.04.2014 16:10, Arto Wikla wrote:

Hi,
according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:




F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503776m/f66.image


That's a different piece, in one of the transistor tunings :-)
May be BY Mezangeau.





F-Pn Ms. Res. 474 Denis Gaultier, Livre de tablature, p. 8
   


you can find it here:

http://www.lute-academy.be/docstore/tombeau_mez.jpg






  Perrine, Pieces de Luth en Musique, 1680, p. 8
See:

The Perrine I only have as a Fronimo file.

Best regards
Bernd




[1]http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=engid=1exFilter=1type=mssst
=0title=Tombeau+de+Mezangeaukey=msnam=comp=
Arto
On 17/04/14 16:46, wayne cripps wrote:

Hi Folks -

   ]Is there only one original version of the Tombeau do Mezangeau, from 
Livre
  de Tablature des Pieces de Luth, ca. 1672, or are there some other versions 
in
  old tablature books?

  Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

2014-04-17 Thread Martin Shepherd

Hi All,

There is also a section of it embedded in a piece by Robert Johnson, as 
discussed by John Reeve in the Lute Society journal - last year?  Not 
sure of the exact reference, but I'm sure somebody will help us out.


M
On 17/04/2014 16:10, Arto Wikla wrote:

Hi,
according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:
F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v
F-Pn Ms. Res. 474 Denis Gaultier, Livre de tablature, p. 8
Perrine, Pieces de Luth en Musique, 1680, p. 8
See:
[1]http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=engid=1exFilter=1type=mssst
=0title=Tombeau+de+Mezangeaukey=msnam=comp=
Arto
On 17/04/14 16:46, wayne cripps wrote:

Hi Folks -

   ]Is there only one original version of the Tombeau do Mezangeau, from 
Livre
  de Tablature des Pieces de Luth, ca. 1672, or are there some other versions 
in
  old tablature books?

  Wayne




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