[LUTE] Re: What 'last changes' can you demand to a lute maker when receiving you new instrument
Minor adjustments can also be made to the action by planing the fingerboard to lower it or putting paper under the nut or a strip of wood on the top of the bridge to heighten it. > On Sep 13, 2018, at 8:48, Jurgen Frenz > wrote: > > Hi there, > > I often read when players comment on their new instrument that they are > very happy with it after demanding a few adjustments. I'm totally > ignorant as to what changes one could possibly request - the instrument > is done, so what can the luthier still do? > > I'd be glad to find out what changes you asked for in the past, or what > you think is still possible to do. > > Thanks a lot! > > Best regards > > Jurgen > > -- > "There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen." > > JalÄl ad-DÄ«n Muhammad Rumi > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What 'last changes' can you demand to a lute maker when receiving you new instrument
Some luthiers are happy to do the final setup (nut, bridge, bridge, frets, action) with you in their workshop. If you have time to spend some hours together, this can be very helpful in getting an instrument that is easier to play for you. My local guitar maker invites me in every once in a while during the making, to test things like neck thickness and profile. But that's a rare luxury, as he lives within walking distance. David *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 at 09:35, Matthew Daillie <[3]dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote: Oh, and I could have mentioned changes to frets and solving minor buzzes (which could also involve working on the fingerboard). > On Sep 13, 2018, at 8:48, Jurgen Frenz <[4]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote: > >Hi there, > >I often read when players comment on their new instrument that they are >very happy with it after demanding a few adjustments. I'm totally >ignorant as to what changes one could possibly request - the instrument >is done, so what can the luthier still do? > >I'd be glad to find out what changes you asked for in the past, or what >you think is still possible to do. > >Thanks a lot! > >Best regards > >Jurgen > >-- >"There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen." > >JalÃl ad-Dà «n Muhammad Rumi > To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:dail...@club-internet.fr 4. mailto:eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What 'last changes' can you demand to a lute maker when receiving you new instrument
Oh, and I could have mentioned changes to frets and solving minor buzzes (which could also involve working on the fingerboard). > On Sep 13, 2018, at 8:48, Jurgen Frenz > wrote: > > Hi there, > > I often read when players comment on their new instrument that they are > very happy with it after demanding a few adjustments. I'm totally > ignorant as to what changes one could possibly request - the instrument > is done, so what can the luthier still do? > > I'd be glad to find out what changes you asked for in the past, or what > you think is still possible to do. > > Thanks a lot! > > Best regards > > Jurgen > > -- > "There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen." > > JalÄl ad-DÄ«n Muhammad Rumi > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What 'last changes' can you demand to a lute maker when receiving you new instrument
Not an awful lot. Minor adjustments to left and right hand spacings (the former being more straightforward than the latter as it is possible to redo the nut) and string changes are the most obvious. There can also be issues with pegs (although there shouldn't be). All the major choices (such as dishing, bridge span and obviously string length and body shape) are built into the instrument and need to be stipulated before work starts. Best, Matthew > On Sep 13, 2018, at 8:48, Jurgen Frenz > wrote: > > Hi there, > > I often read when players comment on their new instrument that they are > very happy with it after demanding a few adjustments. I'm totally > ignorant as to what changes one could possibly request - the instrument > is done, so what can the luthier still do? > > I'd be glad to find out what changes you asked for in the past, or what > you think is still possible to do. > > Thanks a lot! > > Best regards > > Jurgen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] What 'last changes' can you demand to a lute maker when receiving you new instrument
Hi there, I often read when players comment on their new instrument that they are very happy with it after demanding a few adjustments. I'm totally ignorant as to what changes one could possibly request - the instrument is done, so what can the luthier still do? I'd be glad to find out what changes you asked for in the past, or what you think is still possible to do. Thanks a lot! Best regards Jurgen -- "There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen." JalÃl ad-Dën Muhammad Rumi To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bella Gezma - Lute maker
The first lute I purchased back around 2000 is a Bella Gemza. It was in a music store on consignment and I knew next to nothing about lutes at that time except that I wanted to play one. It is an 8 course lute, huge and heavy, similar in weight to my Guild F50-BL guitar, that being about 2 to 3 times the weight of any other 8 course I've played. I have taken some photos of it if you have some place I can email them for archival uploading. I don't recall if this list allows file uploads. If it does let me know and I'll just attach them on another email. The lute has metal frets on the finger board, and wooden ones on the body. The peg box has a rider for the chanterelle and very large ebony tuning pegs. It also has a gilded metal rose. All the wood used is very thick, attributing to its weight, even the belly is thicker than one normally sees. I think the body is rosewood, and the belly is some kind of spruce. It has a very deep tone, almost what one hears in a theorbo or bass lute. Beyond knowing that Gemza worked out of Cleveland and was mainly a maker of guitars I know nothing of him. Somewhere I have some newspaper clippings that came with the lute but having moved several times over the past 18 years they are likely in a box in storage. The history of this lute as I was told by the music store owner is that it was built on commission with another similar instrument by a fellow who later decided that rather than play the lute he wanted to restore antique cars and so was selling these instruments to raise money to but parts. Please let me know where I can send the pictures if anyone is interested. Regards, Craig Allen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Bella Gezma - Lute maker
Hi - I got a phone call from a lady in Florida who got a Bella Gezma lute from the 70’s. Someone has a web page with a few clippings about Bella Gezma but I wonder if any of you have more information about his lutes. THey are the old style, with a strip of ivory under the bridge, like a guitar. Metal frets. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute maker Andreas von Holst
Dear list, does anybody have information about what has happened to the lute maker Andreas von Holst in Munich? His website is down, someone told me that mails sent to him bounce back, and that he has not let something heard of him for a year or so. Best wishes, Joachim Lüdtke  -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Midwest lute maker
Am 30.07.2012 06:19, schrieb Hart-Slater, Quentin: Dear Quentin, The tag inside the lute says The Renaissance Gilde, Box 5 Cambridge Wisconsin and June '88 and seems to be signed Jim Rubio although the maker I was told was a different name, possibly William Daum. The information you give is also found in the Directory of Contemporary American Musicl Instrument Makers by Susan Caust Farrell. A not completely unknown lute player, Paul O'Dette said in an interview: My first real lute was built by William Daum in Cambridge Wisconsin in 1972. best regards Bernd -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Midwest lute maker
Hello Listserv, I am in something of a pickle and need the loan of some expertise. I purchased a 13 string (7 course?) lute on Michigan Avenue, Chicago, in around 1999, one of two that the music store had by the same maker, for which I paid a princely sum, a gift for my wife. There were two documents related, a receipt and a valuation, one of which I have lost. The lost document bears the name of the maker, which I have forgotten, and the store has long since closed (closed promptly after I purchased said instrument, telling, in and of itself). The tag inside the lute says The Renaissance Gilde, Box 5 Cambridge Wisconsin and June '88 and seems to be signed Jim Rubio although the maker I was told was a different name, possibly William Daum. The instrument is about to see the light of day as my wife is to take lessons with a virtuoso new to the city, I would love to be able to report accurately on the origins of the lute. Thanks in advance for your advice. Cordially Quentin Hart-Slater -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: dishonest lute maker
--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Kenneth M Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kenneth M Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MED-LUTE] dishonest lute maker To: Peter Milligan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 8:36 AM --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Peter Milligan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Peter Milligan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MED-LUTE] dishonest lute maker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 9:14 AM I ordered a student lute online from Giuseppe Tumiati in the spring of 2002. I paid in full with a credit card and he promised a four week delivery time. I have not recieved it to this day and he stopped answering my e-mails many many years ago. I will never get my money back, but I want to warn anybody that is thinking of doing buisness with him. Peter Milligan -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html I have 2 lutes made by him and I was going to try a baroque guitar, vihuela, archlute and theorboe but I went permanently bankrupt. I was paying him on installments. I never got any opinion on his lutes from anybody credible but I did receive the lutes in playable condition. You have protection with paypal as well as with your credit card company but I don't know how long the limitation time is for them as I haven't ordered anything lately. Using paypal you have a limit on the number of claims you can make against people but I used my paypal rights on a few occassions inorder to get satisfaction and I don't know for sure if it was my paranoia or the other people. On one occassion the website of someone I had to file a complaint against for a fish lamp was shut down after I ordered so I filed complaint and the company sent me a discouraging correspondence, but I did receive the goods. In this case you would be going from paypal in the country you live in and they would contact paypal in Italy. Paypal will refund your money if someone doesn't send you what you paid for using a credit card or bank account and many vendors want a paypal logo on their site as it is more convenient for their customers. I am no professional musician(an uneducated buffoon actually), but I only purchased his very cheapest student lutes so I know nothing except that they are playable: one sounds good and has lacquer on it and the other has no lacquer on it and sounds dead. I had another problem with an EMS lute I received on christmas day broken, which I just got fixed after 12 years passed; I should have sent it right back to EMS, but I didn't know how to ship internationally(it might have been either a freight claim or they could have remedied the situation in some other way). I was always not well off so I looked for the cheapest and for many years to come I will be looking at the new cheap theorboe(bass lute) that EMS has for 949.95 pounds as well as surfing the internet for the cheapest instruments I can find in hopes that the paltry salary I might receive from any menial labor job could fulfill my desire to procure these beautiful instruments. My intention is not to sully(stand one way or the other on) anybody's reputation as I will be at the mercy of whomever I choose to buy from, but I thought I had something to share with you and now it seems I need to delete it as it should have been a private matter. the poor people -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] dishonest lute maker, warning
I ordered a student lute online from Giuseppe Tumiati in the spring of 2002. I paid in full with a credit card and he promised a four week delivery time. I have not recieved it to this day and he stopped answering my e-mails many many years ago. I will never get my lute or my money back, but I want to warn anybody that is thinking of doing business with him. Peter Milligan -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: dishonest lute maker
He is not dishonest, as far as I know, but very busy and distracted, I'm sending this mail as cc to him. Donatella http://web.tiscali.it/awebd - Original Message - From: Peter Milligan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:06 AM Subject: [LUTE] dishonest lute maker I bought a student lute over the internet from Guiseppe Tumiati In the spring of 2002. I paid in full with a credit card and he promised an immediate delivery. I have never recieved it to this day and he stopped responding to my e-mails many years ago. Anybody have any opinions or comments? If your thinking of geting a lute from him let the buyer beware. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE-BUILDER] dishonest lute maker
I ordered a student lute Guiseppe Tumiati was advertising online back in the spring of 2002. I paid in full with a credit card and he told me the lute would be shipped in four weeks. I have never received it to this day and he stopped answering my e-mails many many years ago. I will never get my money back, but I want to warn people who are thinking of doing any type of buisness with him. Peter Milligan -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: dishonest lute maker
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Dear Peter - presumably you were protected if you paid by credit card
since they bear liability if something like this happens - unlike
debit cards
It is possible there is a time limit which might mean you have
missed out.
Nick
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I bought a student lute over the internet from Guiseppe Tumiati In
the spring of 2002. I paid in full with a credit card and he promised
an immediate delivery. I have never recieved it to this day and he
stopped responding to my e-mails many years ago. Anybody have any
opinions or comments? If your thinking of geting a lute from him let
the buyer beware.
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[LUTE] Re: dishonest lute maker
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008, Peter Milligan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I bought a student lute over the internet from Guiseppe Tumiati In the spring of 2002. I paid in full with a credit card and he promised an immediate delivery. I have never recieved it to this day and he stopped responding to my e-mails many years ago. Anybody have any opinions or comments? 6 years is a loong time, refusal to communicate is a strong sign of bad faith. Payment in full in advance seems a bit much, especially with that four week delay, was that supposed to be transit time? Next time insist on shipment via a carrier who has customer-visible tracking information. Make the last payment to enable the shipment, and if the tracking info isnt forthcoming, talk to the credit card company right away (within a week). Some (not all) credit cards will block future payments to the vendor until the dispute is settled, obviously this works best with larger vendors, and when an international payment is involved things probably get stickier. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] dishonest lute maker
I bought a student lute over the internet from Guiseppe Tumiati In the spring of 2002. I paid in full with a credit card and he promised an immediate delivery. I have never recieved it to this day and he stopped responding to my e-mails many years ago. Anybody have any opinions or comments? If your thinking of geting a lute from him let the buyer beware. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] New website lute maker Martin de Witte
Dear all, Dutch lute maker Martin de Witte has a brand new website at: http://www.martindewitte.nl/ Enjoy, Jelma van Amersfoort To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Lute maker
I was advised to get in touch with you by Chris Goodwin. I have an 8 = course lute made by Michael Cameron, 1976, Hampstead, London. I have = tried to find out anything about this maker but have had no success. I = would be grateful if you could pass on any information you may have. Many thanks, Janet Ford --
