Re: MORE THAN 14 course German theorbo? BACH

2004-01-05 Thread Michael Stitt
Howard,
 
This is fair assumption to make, but I don't think a man who devoted a greater part of 
his life to music, a meticulous thinker, friends of at least two lutenists, and one 
frequented by one of the greatest of them all (Weiss),  without mistaking the lowest 
bass string on the lute.  It just seems too hard to believe.
 
He may have written it on the lautenwerke, but he intended it to be played on a lute, 
( See autograph copy).  I think it all points to Weyrauch (sp?) or Falkenhagen - or - 
and no one knows for sure on this - Schouster - a possible amateur lutenist? having 
ownership of a 14 course with that low Gg.
 
Best regards,
 
Michael.


Howard Posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michael Stitt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for this Thomas. Assuming Bach either misunderstood the lowest tuning
 of the Baroque lute (which I very much doubt) not being an Gg but rather a Aa,
 or was in contact with such a 14 course instrument.

I think it makes more sense to assume that he had a low G on his lautenwerk.




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Re: MORE THAN 14 course German theorbo? BACH

2004-01-05 Thread Edward Martin
Dear Michael  all,

I think it is wrong to assume that because BWV 995 calls for a low G, JSB 
must have had a 14 course lute in mind.

I do not think it was a matter of practicality for JSB.  He wrote pieces 
for other instruments as well that called for notes out of the 
tessitura.  I think he wrote the piece in staff notation, with the lute in 
mind, not accounting for the tuning of the lowest possible note on the 
lute.  I think the composition is based on an idea or an intention of the 
idea.  Notice that the contemporary intabulation was unable to play the low 
G,  had other solutions to the problem, often adding ornaments to cover up 
for the loss of the low tonic.

In examining the contemporary intabulation, there are many, many areas that 
are different from what Bach wrote.  I think that the intabulator merely 
thought it was great music ( indeed it is),  adapted it for the lute, in 
a version that is more practical, or playable.  Back in those times, people 
did not have the reverence that we have in our times for JSB.  They were 
just compromising great music, to bring it into their particular style.

Too often we judge these intabulations as being corrupt, when in actuality, 
they are bone fide works from the period, and they give us a clue  as to 
what solutions they came up with.  And after all, Falkenhagen was a 
professional, and I think he did us a great service to intabulate 995.

In terms of Shouster, I seem to remember reading somewhere that he was a 
bookseller, who sold the books of Falkenhagen.  Hence, the dedication of 
the copyist/intabulator [probably Falkenhagen] of BWV 995 to Mr. Schouster.

ed



He may have written it on the lautenwerke, but he intended it to be played 
on a lute, ( See autograph copy).  I think it all points to Weyrauch (sp?) 
or Falkenhagen - or - and no one knows for sure on this - Schouster - a 
possible amateur lutenist? having ownership of a 14 course with that low Gg.

Best regards,

Michael.