Re: LyX under WSL2 using VcXsrv (sharing clipboard problems)
On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 11:28:01AM -0500, Cris Fuhrman wrote: > > > I'm able to do copy/paste with other applications such as xfe (file > > > explorer) and gedit (text editor), so I know my XServer can work properly > > > (at least sometimes). > > > > It would be interesting to try different apps than xfe or gedit, some which > > use Qt framework as does LyX. > > Any suggestions? I'm happy to try them, but I don't use X11 applications > much apart from LyX these days. https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/List_of_Qt_Applications Pick your favourite :) > When you add up all the Googling, the 'sudo apt install ...' commands you > have to type, etc., I'm not sure those are overall less than the headaches of > configuring the python path, etc., in Windows. Well, per your report not now and that's what I meant by 'longterm' solution. It might take couple more years to have X11 apps running in windows on a single repository click but I see it coming. > As you say, with a Wiki it could be less painful. I know I didn't have to > touch the texlive install so far. Be our guest and fill up your finding/tips on wiki.lyx.org :) Pavel -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: LyX under WSL2 using VcXsrv (sharing clipboard problems)
On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:03 AM Pavel Sanda wrote: > On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 02:47:34PM -0500, Cris Fuhrman wrote: > > Sadly, I can't get the clipboard to work consistently outside of X. For > > example: > > > > > >1. In Windows, start the VcXsrv > >2. In WSL2, start LyX, create New file > >3. In Windows, copy some text (e.g., from Notepad++) > >4. In LyX paste (this works) > >5. In LyX, change the text, then Copy > >6. In Notepad++, paste (no effect). Windows-V (to show the clipboard > >history) shows no trace of the newly copied text from LyX. > >7. Try steps 2-4 again and it no longer works, implying something > >"breaks" the Xserver in those steps. > > > > I'm able to do copy/paste with other applications such as xfe (file > > explorer) and gedit (text editor), so I know my XServer can work properly > > (at least sometimes). > > It would be interesting to try different apps than xfe or gedit, some which > use Qt framework as does LyX. > Any suggestions? I'm happy to try them, but I don't use X11 applications much apart from LyX these days. > Qt's handling of clipboard can be tricky and buggy at times, but if other > Qt > based apps do work we should have a look at it. > I actually found a work-around to make LyX work by turning off "primary" clipboard in VcXsrv. I'm not sure if other X11 apps work properly, however. So far it's OK with xterm. Here's how I'm starting VcXsrv in a batch file that runs when I boot Windows 10: REM Change E:\VcXsrv to your VcXsrv installation folder START /D "E:\VcXsrv" /B vcxsrv.exe -multiwindow -clipboard -noprimary -nowgl -ac -displayfd 720 Anyway, if LyX reasonably works under WSL2 it would be worth to create LyX > wiki page > with intructions how to set it up and then I can make direct link from our > official > Download pages. > > I am thinking for some while that WSL-based LyX could become in longterm > the best > way how to get LyX working under Windows -- all the LaTeX/python deps and > security > updates for ghostscript and imagemagick solved at one shot by the > underlying > distribution... In more than decade we lost so much energy in dicussions > and > fights about the windows installers and associated MikTeX bugs which could > be > avoided this way. > I think it's worth considering. WSL2 is fast-moving and requires some configuring to make X11 work. I think it's better than running Linux in a VirtualBox because of disk space (images are pretty huge, compared to dumping a save of your distro in WSL). But all the tweaking I had to do on linux seems to have lots of accidental complexity. For example, I still can't type accents in LyX in WSL2 as I do in Windows when I have selected an International keyboard. I know it's possible in WSL2, but I have to Google it, set up the keyboard properly and that's a whole rabbit hole (WSL isn't like a distro with a nice set of configuration tools for the GUI -- you have to hack to make X11 work). Also, there's still not an official WSL2 for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (you can make it work, but it's a tweak). LyX isn't ready out of the box... When you add up all the Googling, the 'sudo apt install ...' commands you have to type, etc., I'm not sure those are overall less than the headaches of configuring the python path, etc., in Windows. As you say, with a Wiki it could be less painful. I know I didn't have to touch the texlive install so far. But, I can definitely see how it would be better for LyX devs to not have to support Windows 10. Honestly, I've moved away from LyX to markdown/pandoc/latex for newer content. It's not as much control as LyX, but it's good enough for me to produce documentation useful in my courses. I've invested in LyX for one set of course notes, so I will still maintain it. But the markdown/pandoc solutions are easier to maintain on GitHub with the various collaborators I work with. Cris > > Pavel > -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: LyX under WSL2 using VcXsrv (sharing clipboard problems)
On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 02:47:34PM -0500, Cris Fuhrman wrote: > Sadly, I can't get the clipboard to work consistently outside of X. For > example: > > >1. In Windows, start the VcXsrv >2. In WSL2, start LyX, create New file >3. In Windows, copy some text (e.g., from Notepad++) >4. In LyX paste (this works) >5. In LyX, change the text, then Copy >6. In Notepad++, paste (no effect). Windows-V (to show the clipboard >history) shows no trace of the newly copied text from LyX. >7. Try steps 2-4 again and it no longer works, implying something >"breaks" the Xserver in those steps. > > I'm able to do copy/paste with other applications such as xfe (file > explorer) and gedit (text editor), so I know my XServer can work properly > (at least sometimes). It would be interesting to try different apps than xfe or gedit, some which use Qt framework as does LyX. Qt's handling of clipboard can be tricky and buggy at times, but if other Qt based apps do work we should have a look at it. Anyway, if LyX reasonably works under WSL2 it would be worth to create LyX wiki page with intructions how to set it up and then I can make direct link from our official Download pages. I am thinking for some while that WSL-based LyX could become in longterm the best way how to get LyX working under Windows -- all the LaTeX/python deps and security updates for ghostscript and imagemagick solved at one shot by the underlying distribution... In more than decade we lost so much energy in dicussions and fights about the windows installers and associated MikTeX bugs which could be avoided this way. Pavel -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: LyX under WSL2 using VcXsrv (sharing clipboard problems)
Chris, What about something like: 1) Install and use LyX for Windoze 2) setup the WSL (linux) directory structure to be accessible to the Reconfigure step 3) prefix all calls to external commands with 'wsl' or whatever needs to be done to run linux commands from a Windoze command line, with the exception of the viewer If that worked it would be even cooler wouldn't it? el On 2020-11-27 21:47 , Cris Fuhrman wrote: > Hello, > > I recently started using LyX on my Windows 10 via WSL2 (Ubuntu) with > VcXsrv. The application is snappy and I like configuring the > supporting tools in linux (especially the tex configurations). [...] -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: LyX under WSL2 using VcXsrv (sharing clipboard problems)
On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 09:55:53AM -0500, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > On 11/27/20 2:47 PM, Cris Fuhrman wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I recently started using LyX on my Windows 10 via WSL2 (Ubuntu) with > > VcXsrv. The application is snappy and I like configuring the > > supporting tools in linux (especially the tex configurations). > > > > Sadly, I can't get the clipboard to work consistently outside of X. > > For example: > > > > 1. In Windows, start the VcXsrv > > 2. In WSL2, start LyX, create New file > > 3. In Windows, copy some text (e.g., from Notepad++) > > 4. In LyX paste (this works) > > 5. In LyX, change the text, then Copy > > 6. In Notepad++, paste (no effect). Windows-V (to show the clipboard > > history) shows no trace of the newly copied text from LyX. > > 7. Try steps 2-4 again and it no longer works, implying something > > "breaks" the Xserver in those steps. > > > > I'm able to do copy/paste with other applications such as xfe (file > > explorer) and gedit (text editor), so I know my XServer > > can work properly (at least sometimes). > > > > Is there some option I need to configure in LyX to get it to use the > > proper clipboard that can be shared outside (assuming that is how it's > > working with xfe and gedit), or is this a bug? > > I guess it's a bug, but I'm not sure we ever considered this kind of > setup. (Apparently, what's on the X clipboard is not appearing on the > Windows one. Does that work with other Linux apps?) I'd suggest you > either file it on trac or raise it on the devel list. I don't know if it's relevant, but does LyX work with Wayland's clipboard? And if it does, is it because there is a compatibility layer? Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: LyX under WSL2 using VcXsrv (sharing clipboard problems)
On 11/27/20 2:47 PM, Cris Fuhrman wrote: > Hello, > > I recently started using LyX on my Windows 10 via WSL2 (Ubuntu) with > VcXsrv. The application is snappy and I like configuring the > supporting tools in linux (especially the tex configurations). > > Sadly, I can't get the clipboard to work consistently outside of X. > For example: > > 1. In Windows, start the VcXsrv > 2. In WSL2, start LyX, create New file > 3. In Windows, copy some text (e.g., from Notepad++) > 4. In LyX paste (this works) > 5. In LyX, change the text, then Copy > 6. In Notepad++, paste (no effect). Windows-V (to show the clipboard > history) shows no trace of the newly copied text from LyX. > 7. Try steps 2-4 again and it no longer works, implying something > "breaks" the Xserver in those steps. > > I'm able to do copy/paste with other applications such as xfe (file > explorer) and gedit (text editor), so I know my XServer > can work properly (at least sometimes). > > Is there some option I need to configure in LyX to get it to use the > proper clipboard that can be shared outside (assuming that is how it's > working with xfe and gedit), or is this a bug? I guess it's a bug, but I'm not sure we ever considered this kind of setup. (Apparently, what's on the X clipboard is not appearing on the Windows one. Does that work with other Linux apps?) I'd suggest you either file it on trac or raise it on the devel list. Riki -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
LyX under WSL2 using VcXsrv (sharing clipboard problems)
Hello, I recently started using LyX on my Windows 10 via WSL2 (Ubuntu) with VcXsrv. The application is snappy and I like configuring the supporting tools in linux (especially the tex configurations). Sadly, I can't get the clipboard to work consistently outside of X. For example: 1. In Windows, start the VcXsrv 2. In WSL2, start LyX, create New file 3. In Windows, copy some text (e.g., from Notepad++) 4. In LyX paste (this works) 5. In LyX, change the text, then Copy 6. In Notepad++, paste (no effect). Windows-V (to show the clipboard history) shows no trace of the newly copied text from LyX. 7. Try steps 2-4 again and it no longer works, implying something "breaks" the Xserver in those steps. I'm able to do copy/paste with other applications such as xfe (file explorer) and gedit (text editor), so I know my XServer can work properly (at least sometimes). Is there some option I need to configure in LyX to get it to use the proper clipboard that can be shared outside (assuming that is how it's working with xfe and gedit), or is this a bug? Here's the build info: LyX 2.3.5.2 (2020-06-25) Configuration Host type: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Special build flags: build=release std-regex use-hunspell use-aspell use-enchant Bundled libraries: (none) C++ Compiler:g++ (7.5.0) C++ Compiler flags: -fPIC -O2 -std=c++14 C++ Compiler user flags: -Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -std=c++14 -g -O2 -fdebug-prefix-map =/build/lyx-aqV8hd/lyx-2.3.5.2=. -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security Linker flags: Linker user flags: -Wl,-z,defs -Wl,--as-needed -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro Qt Frontend: Qt version: 5.9.5 Packaging: posix LyX binary dir: /usr/bin LyX files dir: /usr/share/lyx Regards, C. Fuhrman -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
