Re: [maemo-community] Opening the Flasher

2008-12-07 Thread Quim Gil


ext pancake wrote:
 Hello Quim!

Hi pancake, nice to see you around.  :)

 It sounds quite strange to me to see that Nokia aims to free their
 flasher now.. after two years having a public and free flasher
 utility for the nokia internet tablets and receiving no support
 from Nokia or the community to port the flasher to other operating
 systems or architectures.

It's all about priorities and context. Many things have changed at Nokia
since you released your flasher. At the time pushing the opening of the
official flasher would have taken a lot of effort and there were other
priorities. Now the context helps and the idea has been queuing for so
long that other priorities are solved now.

About lack of community support, perhaps a joint project on the official
code would be more appealing?


 The bug report will be closed if somebody owning a mac tries to
 build 0x from the sources. The only dependency is libusb, which
 is also available on OSX and the last thing I do for it was as GUI
 frontend, which is probably what OSX people is looking for.
 
 About architectures, I have tested my flasher on multiple architectures
 with different endians without any problem, so it should work on ppc
 and x86.

Sure, but what if one day the architecture changes for whatever reason
and then you have your reverse engineered tool out of the game for new
releases? I'm not saying there are plans for such changes, but I guess
it's always more optimal that everybody works on the same tool.


 I assume that an unofficial flasher makes the community think that it
 can be a dangerous tool. But after two years of existence, nobody
 report me issues about bricked devices after using 0x as a flasher.
 
 As i read in the last update of the OS. Nokia provides now an OTA flashing
 utility which allows to update the device without using an external
 computer and USB. (i didnt update my n810 yet, but i would be interested
 to see how it works :)
 
 It is always good to see the intention of big companies freeing parts
 of their software, but I think that it is a bit late.

Perhaps, but here we are with the offer.

 I will be happy to see the evolution of the opening process of these
 closed parts of Maemo (not only the flasher) to allow the community
 enhace this wonderful software platform faster.

Should we take this as a yes?  :)

About opening fiasco-gen, it might happen as well. We will start
releasing it as a binary.


 Hi, are you aware of

 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100#c5

 If we have a broad idea about the community interest in getting the
 Flasher open in order to develop e.g. a Mac OS X version, then I will
 have smoother path to get it open. Feel free commenting and voting
 there. If you are aware of other potential contributors feel free
 letting them know as well.

 I think we will get it open anyway, but as said showing objective
 community interest always helps getting things done faster.

 PS: Very similar case with https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1013
 (PowerPC support for the Flasher).

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 Maemo Software @ Nokia
 
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Re: [maemo-community] Opening the Flasher

2008-12-06 Thread pancake
Hello Quim!

It sounds quite strange to me to see that Nokia aims to free their
flasher now.. after two years having a public and free flasher
utility for the nokia internet tablets and receiving no support
from Nokia or the community to port the flasher to other operating
systems or architectures.

The bug report will be closed if somebody owning a mac tries to
build 0x from the sources. The only dependency is libusb, which
is also available on OSX and the last thing I do for it was as GUI
frontend, which is probably what OSX people is looking for.

About architectures, I have tested my flasher on multiple architectures
with different endians without any problem, so it should work on ppc
and x86.

I assume that an unofficial flasher makes the community think that it
can be a dangerous tool. But after two years of existence, nobody
report me issues about bricked devices after using 0x as a flasher.

As i read in the last update of the OS. Nokia provides now an OTA flashing
utility which allows to update the device without using an external
computer and USB. (i didnt update my n810 yet, but i would be interested
to see how it works :)

It is always good to see the intention of big companies freeing parts
of their software, but I think that it is a bit late.

I will be happy to see the evolution of the opening process of these
closed parts of Maemo (not only the flasher) to allow the community
enhace this wonderful software platform faster.

 Hi, are you aware of
 
 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100#c5
 
 If we have a broad idea about the community interest in getting the
 Flasher open in order to develop e.g. a Mac OS X version, then I will
 have smoother path to get it open. Feel free commenting and voting
 there. If you are aware of other potential contributors feel free
 letting them know as well.
 
 I think we will get it open anyway, but as said showing objective
 community interest always helps getting things done faster.
 
 PS: Very similar case with https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1013
 (PowerPC support for the Flasher).
 
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 Quim Gil
 marketing manager, open source
 Maemo Software @ Nokia

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Re: [maemo-community] Opening the Flasher

2008-12-06 Thread Ryan Abel
On Dec 6, 2008, at 1:47 PM, pancake wrote:

 As i read in the last update of the OS. Nokia provides now an OTA  
 flashing
 utility which allows to update the device without using an external
 computer and USB. (i didnt update my n810 yet, but i would be  
 interested
 to see how it works :)


Not entirely, it only flashes the kernel and initfs images. That does  
bring the question of, though, will the fiasco-flasher also be opened?

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