Re: [maemo-developers] Abuse on the ApplicationCatalog page
On ons, 2006-04-05 at 01:15 -0700, ext Aaron Levinson wrote: On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Weinehall David (Nokia-M/Tampere) wrote: [snip] Also, whether or not this application belongs on the Application Catalog page, it's still appropriate to consult with the author before deleting an entry (something that is difficult to do if anyone can modify the Wiki without registering). Doing otherwise, as the individual has done who has repeatedly deleted this entry, demonstrates a lack of common courtesy. I can agree that we need some sort of rules about what stays and what goes, and only non-anonymous access, but needing to contact the author before removing something defeats the whole purpose of a wiki. Regards: David ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Abuse on the ApplicationCatalog page
Weinehall David (Nokia-M/Tampere) wrote: On ons, 2006-04-05 at 01:15 -0700, ext Aaron Levinson wrote: On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Weinehall David (Nokia-M/Tampere) wrote: [snip] Also, whether or not this application belongs on the Application Catalog page, it's still appropriate to consult with the author before deleting an entry (something that is difficult to do if anyone can modify the Wiki without registering). Doing otherwise, as the individual has done who has repeatedly deleted this entry, demonstrates a lack of common courtesy. I can agree that we need some sort of rules about what stays and what goes, and only non-anonymous access, but needing to contact the author before removing something defeats the whole purpose of a wiki. Maybe wiki is just not very suitable for keeping the list of available applications? As this page grows, it gets harder to maintain. Just imagine a full list of sourceforge projects on a single wiki page for example :) It is an exaggeration, but I still hope that the list of maemo compatible applications will eventually grow to the number that this wiki will be unable to handle. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Abuse on the ApplicationCatalog page
In response -- While it is debatable if software that does not run on the 770 should be included on this page, the text that introduces this page doesn't state this one way or the other. In fact, this is a maemo application catalog, not a 770 application catalog. -- Maemo is a development platform. The applications on the the application page are not development tools. This leads to the notion that the programs supposed to run on a maemo based platform. -- In addition, the person who removed the software claims that it violates the licensing of at least ffmpeg, but no proof is offered, and even if such proof existed, I'm not sure if it's relevant here. -- If you download the trial and extract the software in the installer run stings | grep copyright on the dll's and you will see results for HP, reference to the GPL and ffmpeg. For any one this is to complex for I will send you the results of these commands. I don't think that maemo should encourage the violation of the license which is the foundation for the FOSS world. -- Since this particular software is related to the 770, and I suspect that 770 users would find it useful, I think that it makes sense that the software should be permitted on the page. -- You have now contradicted what you said in the first paragraph. You said the software is related to the 770, while before you made a point that the applications were for maemo. If the standard is software that a user would find useful, then you are opening the door wide to what software should be included. Why not include the java media converter that someone made, any icecast server, gnump3d, avidemux, mencoder, orb, macromedia flash studio, realplayer/helix, and so forth. -- The Application Catalog page is one of the main places that 770 users visit to learn about 770-related software, and if Nokia Media Studio cannot be listed here, I don't think there is another appropriate location. -- You might not have noticed that http://www.internettablettalk.com/ regular lists proprietary applications. -- Also, by allowing anyone to arbitrarily remove applications from this page, this may result in fewer commercial software entries. Maybe some individuals expect all 3rd-party software for the device to be free and open, but this isn't necessarily appropriate for all software. -- While it is fine if software is not free and open I think it should 1) run on the maemo based nokia 770 and 2) should not exhibit rent seeking behavior by violating licenseors and copyright law. Ted ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Abuse on the ApplicationCatalog page
Hi Ted, Could you set your mail program to use some kind of quoting, like ? Reading your response is quite difficult. Ted Teah wrote: If you download the trial and extract the software in the installer run stings | grep copyright on the dll's and you will see results for HP, reference to the GPL and ffmpeg. For any one this is to complex for I will send you the results of these commands. I don't think that maemo should encourage the violation of the license which is the foundation for the FOSS world. ffmpeg itself is totally LGPL. So, using unmodified ffmpeg library in a proprietary application, without releasing any source, is fine. Of course this doesn't mean there aren't other license problems with the Nokia Media Studio, but let's be sure before accusing anyone... -- Jussi Kukkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Abuse on the ApplicationCatalog page
HI Guys, It's a wiki! people will change it. Don't sweat it - the community will decide. I personally think making 'rules' about what is and isn't appropriate will be hard to enforce and probably pointless. Discussion is helpful though as some of the wiki users will also be subscribers to this list. With that in mind, I think it is probably time that the ApplicationCatalog was refactored into multiple pages, as it is a 128kb monster at the moment and painful to edit. Of course being so large is probably discouraging edits a little so maybe it's not a bad thing. I might refactor it myself. (Probably not - so maybe someone else will.) Stephen De Gabrielle ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Building maemo_af_desktop
Hello, Actually you should build the maemo-af-desktop with dpkg-buildpackage: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot It has been explained in my blog from last year or so: http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog/?page_id=16 If you install the built debian package, the menu structure should work. Can you explain in more detail what did you do in order for making empty menu? Best Regards, Karoliina Salminen http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Aaron Levinson Subject: [maemo-developers] Building maemo_af_desktop I recently needed to rebuild maemo_af_desktop (version 1.72 used with maemo 1.1). Invoking the configure script without any arguments will result in a functional binary. working binary: ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc . ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Abuse on the ApplicationCatalog page
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 14:22 +0300, Jussi Kukkonen wrote: Hi Ted, Could you set your mail program to use some kind of quoting, like ? Reading your response is quite difficult. Ted Teah wrote: If you download the trial and extract the software in the installer run stings | grep copyright on the dll's and you will see results for HP, reference to the GPL and ffmpeg. For any one this is to complex for I will send you the results of these commands. I don't think that maemo should encourage the violation of the license which is the foundation for the FOSS world. ffmpeg itself is totally LGPL. So, using unmodified ffmpeg library in a proprietary application, without releasing any source, is fine. Of course this doesn't mean there aren't other license problems with the Nokia Media Studio, but let's be sure before accusing anyone... This is very inaccurate and your description would be more true of a BSD/MIT licensed library. LGPL actually have a lot of terms coming with it when being bundled with an application like this. There are rules about giving clear notice with your application that a LGPL library is used. You need to provide anyone getting your application the source or the option to get *your* copy of the source of the LGPL code. Many people let this mean 'pointing to the upstream source', but the LGPL doesn't really allow for this. There are also relatively strict rules about static linking if I remember correctly and there are of course the patent/license conflicts in part of the world. Might be that they have all these issues covered correctly, I haven't looked into it myself, but I am a bit skeptical of it. Christian ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Abuse on the ApplicationCatalog page
On 4/5/06, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 14:22 +0300, Jussi Kukkonen wrote: Hi Ted, Could you set your mail program to use some kind of quoting, like ? Reading your response is quite difficult. Ted Teah wrote: If you download the trial and extract the software in the installer run stings | grep copyright on the dll's and you will see results for HP, reference to the GPL and ffmpeg. For any one this is to complex for I will send you the results of these commands. I don't think that maemo should encourage the violation of the license which is the foundation for the FOSS world. ffmpeg itself is totally LGPL. So, using unmodified ffmpeg library in a proprietary application, without releasing any source, is fine. Of course this doesn't mean there aren't other license problems with the Nokia Media Studio, but let's be sure before accusing anyone... This is very inaccurate and your description would be more true of a BSD/MIT licensed library. LGPL actually have a lot of terms coming with it when being bundled with an application like this. There are rules about giving clear notice with your application that a LGPL library is used. You need to provide anyone getting your application the source or the option to get *your* copy of the source of the LGPL code. Many people let this mean 'pointing to the upstream source', but the LGPL doesn't really allow for this. There are also relatively strict rules about static linking if I remember correctly and there are of course the patent/license conflicts in part of the world. Might be that they have all these issues covered correctly, I haven't looked into it myself, but I am a bit skeptical of it. There is also different licenses for ffmpeg dependant on which features you compile in, if you include t he modules that are GPL your expected to license your application under the GPL too. See the legal page here http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/legal.php Peter ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] DTD/schema for Maemo Help file?
Since the Help file described in the Help Framework HOWTO page at maemo.org is an XML file, could someone post the DTD or schema that a Help file validates against?It seems counter-intuitive to require a specific model but not provide the mechanical means by which one can check the structure of the document being created. :-) Roger Sperberg-- firstinitial lastname at gmail.comInternet Tablet Users blog (Nokia 770: http://www.internettablettalk.com/blog/ )Teleread (e-books: http://teleread.org/blog/)Electric Forest (digital libraries: http://altheim.com/ef/) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Building maemo_af_desktop
Hi Karoliina, Responses below. Aaron On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Actually you should build the maemo-af-desktop with dpkg-buildpackage: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot It has been explained in my blog from last year or so: http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog/?page_id=16 If you install the built debian package, the menu structure should work. Can you explain in more detail what did you do in order for making empty menu? In order to get an empty menu structure, all I did was use ./configure without any options. An examination of the source code demonstrates that it uses the OTHERS_MENU_CONF_DIR define for the default menu location on disk, and OTHERS_MENU_CONF_DIR gets defined as $(sysconfdir)/others-menu. When using ./configure without any options, $(sysconfdir) (along with other directory variables) starts at /usr/local, and the 770 file structure doesn't use /usr/local for anything. At run-time, because it cannot find the others-menu directory, no menu entries are displayed. Too bad the others-menu location is hardcoded this way. Seems like it might be appropriate to use gconf for this. Aaron ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Building maemo_af_desktop
On 4/5/06, Aaron Levinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order to get an empty menu structure, all I did was use ./configure without any options. An examination of the source code demonstrates that it uses the OTHERS_MENU_CONF_DIR define for the default menu location on disk, and OTHERS_MENU_CONF_DIR gets defined as $(sysconfdir)/others-menu. When using ./configure without any options, $(sysconfdir) (along with other directory variables) starts at /usr/local, and the 770 file structure doesn't use /usr/local for anything. At run-time, because it cannot find the others-menu directory, no menu entries are displayed. Too bad the others-menu location is hardcoded this way. Seems like it might be appropriate to use gconf for this. I think you mean Too bad the others-menu location is build-time configurable as that's what it is...? If you build to a different prefix (/usr/local) and the apps install their stuff in another prefix (the usual /etc), is it really a surprise they are not found? In any case you need a predefined location for the .desktops (so that app-devs will know where to put them), so what would be the benefit to have it in gconf? -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Disconnect rfcomm stays between bt_disconnected and rf_disconnected
Hi All,
Bit of a me too, but I'm also having the problem with 'Timeout on
getting data from GPS' when using my NMEA BT GPS receiver (Oasis
Media). It appears to be a fairly low-level issue as far as I can
tell, since restarting/reconnecting with gpsd or hidd don't seem to
work. My workaround was to go in and out of offline mode (which I
presume reset the BT radio). Thanks for the pointer with putting on
the cover, that works too :-)
I hope one of the Nokia devs can help fix this, since I was really looking
forward to using gpsdrive on my 770 :-/
Regards,
Michiel
On 3/31/06, koos vriezen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2006/3/31, Jari Tenhunen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi,
As you may have seen on the maemo-users list, the plugin is now
available at http://770.fs-security.com/maemo-bt-plugin/
and the GpsDrive packages at
http://www.elisanet.fi/tapio.tolvanen/nokia770.html
Any comments and suggestions or even contributions will be appreciated.
The GPS device scanning is a bit strange. The scanner doesn't stop
scanning and it seems that the user should nevertheless select what's
found and press 'Ok' ('Pair with device' stays gray all the time).
However canceling it and rescanning doesn't find anything anymore, but
still keeps scanning for ages.
My simple program, when started w/o arguments, also scans using
btsearch, and that one does work (finds the GPS and stop searching on
the BTSEARCH_SEARCH_COMPLETE_SIG).
So something goes wrong here ..
Same issues with hanging bluetooth as reported before, as soon as
gpsdrive reports 'Timeout on getting data from GPS' I can disconnect
with your tool, though telephone icon stays green and your plugin does
not reconnect. Only with the plastic cover trick or reboot, the phone
icon has the red cross and I can reconnect with your tool.
Gui looks nice. I only had to reboot to get that 'B' bluetooth icon.
GpsDrive is Hildon now, great. Btw, it may want to strip the
'/home/user/.gpsdrive/way.txt: No such file or directory'
messages that fills up my /tmp/gpsdrive_startup.log.
You mentioned you also saw timeouts on the GPS data stream as well,
have you any explaination for that yet?
Thanks,
Koos
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Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Abuse on the ApplicationCatalog page
ffmpeg itself is totally LGPL. So, using unmodified ffmpeg library in a proprietary application, without releasing any source, is fine. Of course this doesn't mean there aren't other license problems with the Nokia Media Studio, but let's be sure before accusing anyone... Yes you are correct sorry. Besides any trademark issue, there still is mention of HP and the GNU GPL when one runs grep -i copyright. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
