Re: [maemo-developers] libstdc++ version ???

2006-05-02 Thread Fred Lefévère-Laaoide

5.0.5

Fred

Antonio Gomes wrote:

could someone check what's the version of the libstdc++ version on the
newest maemo image ?

ls -lah /usr/lib/libstdc++*

is enough ;) thanks

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[maemo-developers] Frustrating power downs...

2006-05-02 Thread Nils Faerber
Hi!
For some time now I see power downs of the device for no reason.
It seems to happen over night.
When I come back next morning the device is full off, when pressing the
power button it starts to boot normally. The battery has never been the
fault (i.e. not empty).
Yesterday it happened again and I had to remove the battery before it
started to switch on / boot again.

I am wondering if this is a hardware or software fault?

Does anybody else see this happening?
Are there any hints on what might be tha cause?
And especially if this can be fixed?

Cheers
  nils faerber

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[maemo-developers] Bugzilla annoyances or we at nokia don't have a 770

2006-05-02 Thread Koen Kooi
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Hi,

During the last few days people have voiced their annoyance with how
nokia handles maemo bugs. Please take a look at the responses from
Maemo QA in the following bugs:

https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=184
https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=264

Don't you have a 770 with the latest consumer firmware at nokia to test
it yourselves? And more importantly, why is it taking so long to ship a
firmware with working timezone for places other than Helsinki?

slightly annoyed,

Koen

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Re: [maemo-developers] Frustrating power downs...

2006-05-02 Thread Chris Bare
 I am wondering if this is a hardware or software fault?
 
 Does anybody else see this happening?
 Are there any hints on what might be tha cause?
 And especially if this can be fixed?
 

I too have seen mysterious power downs. So far I haven't been able to detect a
pattern. Sometimes I've plugged it in to recharge and when I came back and
opened the cover it had powered down. I wonder if a surge or static shock
might cause it in this case, but other times I've just found it in the off
state when I know I left it on, and the batter still had a charge.
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Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Neuer

On 4/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


no offense, it always look simpler from the other side. Developing and
bringing a product to market (in all my experience) is no simple task
combine that with new challenges working with open source, and OS communities,
new processes and at the same time building a truely open product.
I am not saying we havnt and we will not make mistakes (maybe we will),
but we are ready to listen and willing to learn.

And as i see right now, I am ready to take small baby steps and disappoint few
than going grand. There is a natural order of things, and lot what you suggested
would/may happen but lets take patience as a virtue.


As your rightly said, its about expectation management :)
cheers
Devesh


Well, since you brought up truely open product and expectation
management, what are Nokia's expectations about when the 770 will be
a truely open product (i.e., I can run all free software on the device
without losing any functionality)?

This has been the #1 reason why the device has mostly sat unused in my
house rather than constantly traveling with me and sucking up a lot of
my time. I honestly expected based on Nokia's (admittedly limited)
advanced advertising of the product that that would be the case
immediately, rather than at some unspecified point in the future.

Dave
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Re: [maemo-developers] Re: End User Software Agreement

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Neuer

On 4/21/06, Jerry Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 4/21/06, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

  This may be because of closed source software (i.e. the Opera web
  browser) included into the firmware bin image.

All fine and dandy, except the agreement makes no provisions for the
differing licenses. The GPL and LGPL gives me explicit legal
permission to copy, distribute and/or modify those libraries and
programs, whether sources or in object code. The agreement is trying
to restrict what I can do with the GPL and LGPL software in this
compressed image, which is a breach of those licenses.


Sure it does; the mere aggregation clause. Your rights with regard
to the bin image are different than your rights with regard to the
entire work (the compilation that the bin image represents).

Dave
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Re: [maemo-developers] Re: End User Software Agreement

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Neuer

On 5/2/06, Dave Neuer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 4/21/06, Jerry Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 4/21/06, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
 
   This may be because of closed source software (i.e. the Opera web
   browser) included into the firmware bin image.

 All fine and dandy, except the agreement makes no provisions for the
 differing licenses. The GPL and LGPL gives me explicit legal
 permission to copy, distribute and/or modify those libraries and
 programs, whether sources or in object code. The agreement is trying
 to restrict what I can do with the GPL and LGPL software in this
 compressed image, which is a breach of those licenses.

Sure it does; the mere aggregation clause. Your rights with regard
to the bin image are different than your rights with regard to the
entire work (the compilation that the bin image represents).



Ugh. I meant your rights WRT the _components_ of the bin image are
different than your rights WRT the whole.

Dave
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RE: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not complaining

2006-05-02 Thread Devesh.Kothari


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ext Dave Neuer
 Sent: 02 May, 2006 21:07
 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org
 Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Too busy to accept help? I'm not
 complaining
 
 
 On 4/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  no offense, it always look simpler from the other side. 
 Developing and
  bringing a product to market (in all my experience) is no 
 simple task
  combine that with new challenges working with open source, 
 and OS communities,
  new processes and at the same time building a truely open product.
  I am not saying we havnt and we will not make mistakes 
 (maybe we will),
  but we are ready to listen and willing to learn.
 
  And as i see right now, I am ready to take small baby steps 
 and disappoint few
  than going grand. There is a natural order of things, and 
 lot what you suggested
  would/may happen but lets take patience as a virtue.
 
 
  As your rightly said, its about expectation management :)
  cheers
  Devesh
 
 Well, since you brought up truely open product and expectation
 management, what are Nokia's expectations about when the 770 will be
 a truely open product (i.e., I can run all free software on the device
Maemo 2.0 would take it closer, with real package management. It is even today
an open product, you can get root and install whatever you want today :) but
remember the hardware limitations of the device itself :)

 without losing any functionality)?
can you be more specific ???

Devesh

 
 This has been the #1 reason why the device has mostly sat unused in my
 house rather than constantly traveling with me and sucking up a lot of
 my time. I honestly expected based on Nokia's (admittedly limited)
 advanced advertising of the product that that would be the case
 immediately, rather than at some unspecified point in the future.
 
 Dave
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