Request: Please consider open-sourcing more of the applications

2007-04-23 Thread Hanno Zulla
Hi,

there are a few small nits in the base applications that ought to be
resolved easily with just small patches to the source. However, it isn't
possible to patch them:

I was very happy that I got an instant response after contacting the
package maintainer at Nokia. But he told me that unfortunately, no, the
source is not available, so there is not way to submit patches and the
user will have to wait until Nokia decides to address these issues from
Bugzilla.

This is a pity, as these are just small enhancements already existing
applications, applications which are good and work fine and do not need
to be duplicated.

Thanks for considering this.

Regards,

Hanno
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Re: Instructions cache flush on ARM (was: N800 Video playback)

2007-04-23 Thread 黄涛

2007/4/23, Siarhei Siamashka [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Thanks, it works. But I'm worried about [1]. Looks like EABI has a new
syscall
interface and this code from qemu uses old ABI. And from reading
description
at the wiki page, compatibility with old ABI can be disabled (and it makes
sense disabling it as this compatibility reduces performance a bit).



You are right. gcc has function
void __clear_cache (char *BEG, char *END)
which should be more portable.
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Re: Continuous reboot problem with the N770 hacker edition

2007-04-23 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi,

ext Rainer Dorsch wrote:
 I used the N770 with the hacker edition of OS2007 heavily last week and it 
 broke:
 The device is rebooting constantly, even putting it into RD mode did not help 
 getting rid of this. The sequence is
 1. blue boot progress bar
 2. Nokia hands and sound
 3. almost immidiately after the sound, a white stripe appears on the left of 
 the display. Looks like this is the Maemo menue bar. Then the screen becomes 
 white
 4. after approx. 19 seconds the device reboots and continues with 1.
 
 I interrupt the reboot cycles by removing the battery.
 
 I am not aware that I did something uncommon before that happend, except 
 accessing via USB to the MMC card (which I do very rarely). Removing the 
 cable again apparently broke the MMC and I had to run e2fsck. 
 
 Before I flash the device, I though I ask here if somebody is interested in 
 some more debug data (and knows how I get them).

This sounds like Desktop crashing.  If you have RSS applet enabled
in Desktop *and* the Hacker edition is based on a version earlier than
the latest N800 release, it could be a the crasher bug in RSS applet
that was fixed to the latest release (once it got a feed item with
a strange URL, the applet always crashed (Desktop) immediately after
applet had been loaded by the Desktop).


- Eero

PS. In gnome Desktop the crasher bugs in panel applets are not so fatal
because they are run as separate processes.  You notice this easily from
the Gnome desktop memory usage...
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Re: x11vnc -- problems solved

2007-04-23 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi,

ext Mike Cowlishaw wrote:
 do you know what if any are the side effects of disabling the use of the
 pressure information on the N800 as a result of implementing your
 workaround? In other words does this break some other functionality of the
 N800, or is the pressure information something that is there as a latent
 feature but not actually used by the N800?
 
 I'm sure Nokia folk can answer that better than I, but I think it affects
 detecting whether a wide area pressure is detected (as by a finger or thumb
 fleshy part) rather than a touch from a stylus or fingernail.

Correct.


- Eero
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Re: Request: Please consider open-sourcing more of the applications

2007-04-23 Thread Quim Gil
Hi Hanno,

If there is a specific application you would like to see opensourced I
suggest you to submit a feature request in bugzilla or vote to an
existing feature request.

As you see this is the type of answer we are keeping for any enhancement
request. Using the mailing list is fine but the way to keep record and
register support for enhancements is bugzilla.

Being specific in the requests also help us being specific in our
answers i.e. detailing how close/far we could be from opening a
component. General requests like this one are really difficult to answer
without failing in vague statements.

Thanks for your understanding.

On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 10:09 +0200, ext Hanno Zulla wrote:
 Hi,
 
 there are a few small nits in the base applications that ought to be
 resolved easily with just small patches to the source. However, it isn't
 possible to patch them:
 
 I was very happy that I got an instant response after contacting the
 package maintainer at Nokia. But he told me that unfortunately, no, the
 source is not available, so there is not way to submit patches and the
 user will have to wait until Nokia decides to address these issues from
 Bugzilla.
 
 This is a pity, as these are just small enhancements already existing
 applications, applications which are good and work fine and do not need
 to be duplicated.
 
 Thanks for considering this.
 
 Regards,
 
 Hanno
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Re: Quiver Image Viewer for 770 / N800

2007-04-23 Thread Sergey Udaltsov

Hello Mike


If you try it out, let me know what you think of it.

I played with quiver a bit. It really looks nice. The only serious
feature it is missing IMHO - disabling screen turning off when running
from AC. Actually, this function is not present in the original image
viewer as well...

Thanks for your app,

Sergey
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Installing Opera on simulator

2007-04-23 Thread andika
hi maemo developers,

 Im still newbie in this maemo world n linux, n now i involved in project 
making app on N800. Surely there many trouble cames since ive set up maemo 
deveolopment environment. But its fun ;)

So my question now is :),
  Is it possible to install opera browser on maemo simulator. And if i would 
like to install another app on simulator how could i find the approriate 
package. 

regards
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Nothing installed on simulator

2007-04-23 Thread andika
Hi maemo developers,
  i just realized that nothing installed on my maemo simulator, even i just 
able to set up Application Manager . Is it supposed to like that, because we 
need to install the app inside maemo individually? Or there is something wrong?

regards
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Re: Request: Please consider open-sourcing more of the applications

2007-04-23 Thread Hanno Zulla
Hi,

 If there is a specific application you would like to see opensourced I
 suggest you to submit a feature request in bugzilla or vote to an
 existing feature request.

Done: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1235

 Being specific in the requests also help us being specific in our
 answers i.e. detailing how close/far we could be from opening a
 component. General requests like this one are really difficult to answer
 without failing in vague statements.

Yes, but: My request is also a request to build up a more concise way of
allowing external developers to submit patches.

Or is there anything else next to this source-dump on an external
developer's website?

http://www.bleb.org/software/n800/os2007-src/

Thanks  best regards,

Hanno
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X-terminial lauching problem

2007-04-23 Thread chetan nanda

Hi Madhusudhan,

This is chetan again.I have installed osso-xterm
package in scratchbox on my linux machine.it installed
successfully.When i lauched maemo screen,in the Extras
menu i saw the x-terminal option.But when i clicked
that option, it suddenly comes and then
disappears..and the following error comes on the
console

 
maemo_af_desktop[4647]: We could not read lowmem page
stats.
execl: No such file or directory
execl: No such file or directory

What to do ? can anyone suggest any solution for this
problem ?

Regards,
Chetan


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Re: X-terminial lauching problem

2007-04-23 Thread Markku Vire


Hi,

I remember I have experienced a similar situation couple of times in the 
past. The reason appeared to be that X-terminal contains some libraries 
statically compiled in (ugly but true). When a dynamic copy of the same 
library is loaded (as a dependency for some libtool library, for 
example), the glib object system is screwed up and the application is 
terminated.


The correct way to fix this would be to fix x-term build.

-Markku-


chetan nanda wrote:

Hi Madhusudhan,

This is chetan again.I have installed osso-xterm
package in scratchbox on my linux machine.it installed
successfully.When i lauched maemo screen,in the Extras
menu i saw the x-terminal option.But when i clicked
that option, it suddenly comes and then
disappears..and the following error comes on the
console

 
maemo_af_desktop[4647]: We could not read lowmem page

stats.
execl: No such file or directory
execl: No such file or directory

What to do ? can anyone suggest any solution for this
problem ?

Regards,
Chetan



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Re: x11vnc -- problems solved

2007-04-23 Thread Acadia Secure Networks

Mike,

do you know what if any are the side effects of disabling the use of the 
pressure information on the N800 as a result of implementing your 
workaround? In other words does this break some other functionality of 
the N800, or is the pressure information something that is there as a 
latent feature but not actually used by the N800?



If the answer is yes, then it might be possible to write a script to 
disable it when VNC functionality is needed but to be able to turn it 
back on when the pressure functionality is needed.



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Mike Cowlishaw wrote:

Many thanks to everyone who helped me get x11vnc problems sorted out; I
finally fixed the 'last big one' (enter key not working as expected).  I
have summarised my experiences and the workaround at:

http://maemo.org/maemowiki/How_to_use_x11vnc_to_'drive'_the_N800_from_a_PC

in case anyone else wants to give projected demos of the N800, get
screenshots, etc., from their PC or laptop.

mfc

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Re: x11vnc -- problems solved

2007-04-23 Thread Daniel Stone
On Sat, Apr 21, 2007 at 09:55:46AM -0400, ext Acadia Secure Networks wrote:
 do you know what if any are the side effects of disabling the use of the 
 pressure information on the N800 as a result of implementing your 
 workaround? In other words does this break some other functionality of 
 the N800, or is the pressure information something that is there as a 
 latent feature but not actually used by the N800?

It breaks finger vs. stylus detection, and might well break some apps
that only use extended events, instead of core (like the TN).  I don't
have a great solution for this at the moment, except to suggest that
x11vnc should emulate extended events as well if Xi = 1.4 is detected.

Cheers,
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Re: Request: Please consider open-sourcing more of the applications

2007-04-23 Thread Quim Gil
Thanks

On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 12:18 +0200, ext Hanno Zulla wrote:
 Or is there anything else next to this source-dump on an external
 developer's website?
 
 http://www.bleb.org/software/n800/os2007-src/

Is something like http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/source/
what you are looking for?

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Re: Request: Please consider open-sourcing more of the applications

2007-04-23 Thread Hanno Zulla
Quim Gil schrieb:
 On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 12:18 +0200, ext Hanno Zulla wrote:
 Or is there anything else next to this source-dump on an external
 developer's website?

 http://www.bleb.org/software/n800/os2007-src/
 
 Is something like http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/source/
 what you are looking for?

Boy, do I feel stupid, once again.
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Re: Request: Please consider open-sourcing more of the applications

2007-04-23 Thread Frantisek Dufka

Hanno Zulla wrote:

Quim Gil schrieb:

On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 12:18 +0200, ext Hanno Zulla wrote:

Or is there anything else next to this source-dump on an external
developer's website?

http://www.bleb.org/software/n800/os2007-src/

Is something like http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/source/
what you are looking for?


Boy, do I feel stupid, once again.



It is not the same. Stuff at 
http://www.bleb.org/software/n800/os2007-src/ contains also sources for 
osso-pdf-viewer, rss-reader, calculator, SDL games etc. Where are those 
 in bora repository? Should they be here 
http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/non-free/source/ or somewhere else?


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Re: Standard widget spacing and padding?

2007-04-23 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 15:16 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
 On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 18:38 +0300, Kuosmanen Tuomas (Nokia-M/Helsinki)
 wrote:
  On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 15:11 +0200, ext Murray Cumming wrote:
   On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 18:11 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
I can't find anything in the various Maemo documents about the standard
spacing that Maemo applications should have between and around widgets.
For instance, for the GNOME HIG, this is usually 6 pixels between
widgets and 12 pixels padding around the window:
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/design-window.html
  
This seems like something that should be in the Maemo porting guide 
http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_to_maemo_bora.html
as well as the UI specification:
http://www.maemo.org/community/hildon_ui.html
   
   Anyone? I'm sure that Nokia has some kind of standard somewhere for
   this.
  
  Heya! 
  
  The margin default padding is 6 pixels, and if a bigger padding is
  desired, either margin double (6x2 = 12px) or triple 
  (6x3 = 18px) is used. If a smaller margin is needed, margin half (3px)
  is there for you.
  
  So basically using 12px paddings between widgets should be a good
  starting point. Currently our theme adds this weird padding around the
  window anyway, so I think apps should not use much padding around
  themselves. I'll check this and the widget padding tomorrow when there
  are more people in the office in the morning, and will correct it if I
  am assuming wrong. 
 
 Thanks, but is there any official documentation for this, or is it just
 an informal standard?

Did you discover anything? Sorry to bug you, but I still feel sure that
some document exists somewhere.

  Btw, I'll be happy to assist with layout of your application if you want
  - poke me on irc (tigert on #maemo in freenode) or send email.

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Re: How to Run the Cosole based Application in Maemo

2007-04-23 Thread Klaus Rotter

chetan nanda wrote:
I am new to this platform and i have done some thread programming and 
socket programming and now i want to run that on maemo. so how can i run 
it ...


Install xterm-osso and some kind of ssh, e.g. dropbear. Then you can scp 
 your application to the device (you don't need a .deb file) and 
execute it inside a xterm.


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Re: Instructions cache flush on ARM (was: N800 Video playback)

2007-04-23 Thread Guillem Jover
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 16:11:17 +0800, ext 黄涛 wrote:
 2007/4/23, Siarhei Siamashka [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Thanks, it works. But I'm worried about [1]. Looks like EABI has a new
  syscall interface and this code from qemu uses old ABI. And from reading
  description at the wiki page, compatibility with old ABI can be disabled
  (and it makes sense disabling it as this compatibility reduces
  performance a bit).
 
 You are right. gcc has function
 void __clear_cache (char *BEG, char *END)
 which should be more portable.

It should, but it still has the problem of emitting an OABI syscall
due to our old gcc.

You could use syscall(2) and __ARM_NR_cacheflush instead.

regards,
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Re: N800 experimental host mode patches available

2007-04-23 Thread tony
Hi,

* Andreas Hubel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070420 14:56]:
 
 do you or somebody else here know if the 770 also has this host
 detection via the ID pin feature?

I don't think it has, but you can try it out yourself and see if you
get an interrupt. The handling would be in drivers/cbus/tahvo-usb.c.

 And why does the USB chip of the N800 don't need this 5V from external?
 I thougt it also need it, because there is only 3V and no 3 to 5V
 converter inside the device.

That's because N800 has the tps65030 chip to generate VBUS.

Regards,

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Re: Instructions cache flush on ARM (was: N800 Video playback)

2007-04-23 Thread Siarhei Siamashka
On Monday 23 April 2007 16:49, Guillem Jover wrote:

  You are right. gcc has function
  void __clear_cache (char *BEG, char *END)
  which should be more portable.

 It should, but it still has the problem of emitting an OABI syscall
 due to our old gcc.

 You could use syscall(2) and __ARM_NR_cacheflush instead.

Yes, but __clear_cache(char *BEG, char *END)  works fine with the 
current combination of gcc and kernel in maemo. So I guess it's the best 
option if portability is desired.

If you decide to drop support for old ABI from kernel without upgrading
gcc, that would be a bug in maemo platform :-)

By the way, do you have any plans for upgrading toolchain? Either I'm
extremely unlucky, or current toolchain is really very buggy. It does not
support -pg option properly (for profiling with gprof), also I encountered 
at least one internal compiler error and a couple of invalid code generation
bugs already.

One more question is about the kernel, ARM11 seems to support unaligned 
memory access in hardware, but this feature is not enabled on N800. Is it done
for consistency with Nokia 770?
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Scratchbox apt-get update

2007-04-23 Thread Leandro Melo de Sales

Hi list,

 I have my /scratchbox/etc/resolve.conf configurated properly. But I
still can't update my apt repository. I got the following message:

[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~]  fakeroot apt-get update
Err http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages
 404 Not Found [IP: 200.216.69.249 80]
Ign http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Release
Err http://repository.maemo.org bora/non-free Packages
 404 Not Found [IP: 200.216.69.249 80]
Ign http://repository.maemo.org bora/non-free Release
Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Sources [41.7kB]
Get:2 http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Release [89B]
Get:3 http://repository.maemo.org bora/non-free Sources [20B]
Get:4 http://repository.maemo.org bora/non-free Release [89B]
Fetched 41.9kB in 3s (10.8kB/s)
Failed to fetch
http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/free/binary-arm/Packages.gz
404 Not Found [IP: 200.216.69.249 80]
Failed to fetch
http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/non-free/binary-arm/Packages.gz
404 Not Found [IP: 200.216.69.249 80]
Reading Package Lists... Done
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org
bora/free Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_bora_free_binary-arm_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org
bora/non-free Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_bora_non-free_binary-arm_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old
ones used instead.

Any clue?

Leandro.
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Fwd: libcairo 1.4.4 and poppler 0.5.4 available

2007-04-23 Thread Eduardo Lima

Hi all,

The packages for libcairo[1] and poppler[2] are available in the
extras repository for both OS2007 (bora) and and OS2006 (gregale). If
you find any bugs, please mail me. More to come soon. :)

Best regards, Etrunko.

[1] http://cairro.freedesktop.org
[2] http://poppler.freedesktop.org

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Re: Scratchbox apt-get update

2007-04-23 Thread Leandro Melo de Sales

BTW, this error didn't happen when my current target is SDK_X86, why?
I also remove my SDK_ARMEL and create it again, but still in problem!
Any suggestion?

Thanks,
Leandro.

2007/4/23, Leandro Melo de Sales [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Hi list,

  I have my /scratchbox/etc/resolve.conf configurated properly. But I
still can't update my apt repository. I got the following message:

[sbox-SDK_ARMEL: ~]  fakeroot apt-get update
Err http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages
  404 Not Found [IP: 200.216.69.249 80]
Ign http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Release
Err http://repository.maemo.org bora/non-free Packages
  404 Not Found [IP: 200.216.69.249 80]
Ign http://repository.maemo.org bora/non-free Release
Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Sources [41.7kB]
Get:2 http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Release [89B]
Get:3 http://repository.maemo.org bora/non-free Sources [20B]
Get:4 http://repository.maemo.org bora/non-free Release [89B]
Fetched 41.9kB in 3s (10.8kB/s)
Failed to fetch
http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/free/binary-arm/Packages.gz
404 Not Found [IP: 200.216.69.249 80]
Failed to fetch
http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/non-free/binary-arm/Packages.gz
 404 Not Found [IP: 200.216.69.249 80]
Reading Package Lists... Done
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org
bora/free Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_bora_free_binary-arm_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org
bora/non-free Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_bora_non-free_binary-arm_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old
ones used instead.

Any clue?

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Re: Scratchbox apt-get update

2007-04-23 Thread Kalle Vahlman

2007/4/24, Leandro Melo de Sales [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Hi list,

  I have my /scratchbox/etc/resolve.conf configurated properly. But I
still can't update my apt repository. I got the following message:

[snip]

Any clue?


Perhaps this?

http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html

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Xterm display issue

2007-04-23 Thread maldar mateen
Hi All,

Yesterday i installed osso-xterm . I installed it successfully..
when i try to lauch it from the Extras Menu. It says loading xterm and after 
a second the screen goes off (exits the xterm) with the following error at the 
console.

maemo_af_desktop[4647]: We could not read lowmem page
stats.
execl: No such file or directory
execl: No such file or directory


this error is for the following reason i suppose 


error is triggered by the hildon code (hn-wm-memory.c)
trying to open lowmem_allowed_pages and lowmem_used_pages in
/proc/sys/vm, which are not there.

i don't know wht exactly is missing in the xterm to launch it proerly..

if anyone has better solution or faced the same kind of issue plz let me know.


Regards,
Mateen Maldar


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Re: Scratchbox apt-get update

2007-04-23 Thread Leandro Melo de Sales

Hi Kalle! No way! :(
  Both of nsswitch.conf files is correct. When apt-get show the
error, it shows that
http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/non-free/binary-arm/Packages.gz
doesn't exist. In fact, this URL doesn't exist. The one that exist is
http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz.
**binary-armel** and no **binary-arm/Packages.gz** in the end of the
URL. How can I fix it?

Thanks,
Leandro.

2007/4/24, Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

2007/4/24, Leandro Melo de Sales [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi list,

   I have my /scratchbox/etc/resolve.conf configurated properly. But I
 still can't update my apt repository. I got the following message:
[snip]
 Any clue?

Perhaps this?

http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html

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Re: Scratchbox apt-get update

2007-04-23 Thread Leandro Melo de Sales

It seems that there is a error in the maemo armel repository since my
scratchbox installation can resolve repository.maemo.org, but can't
find Packages.gz due to the wrong URL **binary-arm** instand of
**binary-armel**. Please, let me know if I am wrong!

2007/4/24, Leandro Melo de Sales [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Hi Kalle! No way! :(
   Both of nsswitch.conf files is correct. When apt-get show the
error, it shows that
http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/non-free/binary-arm/Packages.gz
doesn't exist. In fact, this URL doesn't exist. The one that exist is
http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz.
**binary-armel** and no **binary-arm/Packages.gz** in the end of the
URL. How can I fix it?

Thanks,
Leandro.

2007/4/24, Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 2007/4/24, Leandro Melo de Sales [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hi list,
 
I have my /scratchbox/etc/resolve.conf configurated properly. But I
  still can't update my apt repository. I got the following message:
 [snip]
  Any clue?

 Perhaps this?

 http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html

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