RE: maemo-developers Digest, Vol 38, Issue 15
Hi All, Tomorrow's service break is cancelled and moved to later date due to technical difficulties. BR, -- Marcell -- maemo.org admin, sdk test manager -Original Message- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:16:27 +0300 From: Marcell Lengyel (Nokia-D/Helsinki) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Service break on maemo.org (17th, 06:00-08:00 GMT+3) To: maemo-developers@maemo.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi All, Due to firewall maintenance in our ISP all the services in *.maemo.org will be down for 2 hours between 06:00 - 08:00 (GMT +3:00 Helsinki time) BR, -- Marcell -- maemo.org admin, sdk test manager ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N800 finger scrolling in gtk... and how to detect a stylus long-press...
Hi David, I wrote a widget for OpenMoko that replaces GtkScrolledWindow, with very similar API, that allows you to do finger-scrolling instead of scroll-bar scrolling - The SVN repository is at http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ and you can find debian packaging at https://edge.launchpad.net/~cwiiis/+archive , although I'll warn you that that's a bit out of date and I think the Intel MID project have more recent packaging (they have collaborated with me and kept me informed on this, it's my fault that my own packaging is out-of-date). There are caveats with using this widget, as the GTK event system wasn't really designed with this interaction in mind. The widget works by intercepting mouse events and re-synthesising new events for the underlying widgets - This usually works fine, but certain things don't work, such as mouse-over (this is easy to fix, but was unnecessary given it's aimed at touch-screens) and double-clicking (harder to fix). You might also have some fun problems if you grab the cursor too. Hope that helps some - depending on your users, you may find that it's more efficient to write your own custom-purpose finger-scrolling widget. If you find that and you want some code to use as an example (and you don't find any better code than mine (which I'm sure there's a lot of ;)), I'd recommend you take a look at the finger-scrolling widget I've written for tidy - http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/tidy/trunk/tidy/tidy-finger-scroll.c - The code is much cleaner as clutter has a more advanced events system and I wrote it after having learnt a lot with MokoFingerScroll. Regards, --Chris On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 18:02 +0100, David Greaves wrote: I'm still persevering with my C/gtk app and have a couple of questions. It was going to be 3 but I sorted out the dbus/com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate one :) So, first: How do I get finger scrolling? I have a hildon program with a vbox and a list of my own widgets (composite hbox with tick/label/entry). I'd like to be able to scroll using a finger rather than the stylus in the scrollbar - any ideas? Secondly: How do I detect a long stylus press? A normal press will activate a tickbox (and eventually I'll see if I can get this from the label or the hbox). I'd like a long press to call an edit callback. David ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: maemo.org community leadership - the maemo.org Community Council
On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 17:26 +, Darius Jack wrote: Nothing is automatic on the Internet. That's you, moderator, administrator, operator, setting the terms. That's you cutting the thread off. Today you set 20 kb limit, tommorow 10kb, next week 1line input. Long live democracy. Your money, your business, your terms. But please don't call me a community. I use Google Groups and there is no limit on thread size. A good practice is to follow full thread, no pre-editing, no cutt offs, no moderation One day you speak about a community and another day you show me who is the ruler. Bye bye my fiends, no more communities of developers governed by moderators. Nokia , shame on you, financing community governed by moderators. One day 20kb limit is in operation. Tommorrow 10kb, next week 1 line is allowed. Or better. No-reply-discussions. That's not even a Haiku. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: wpa_supplicant and cx3110x
On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 00:18 +0300, Siarhei Siamashka wrote: BTW, there is a set of community enhancements and patches for cx3110x driver (Nokia 770 version) collected together by Rodrigo Vivi and posted here: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2008-April/38.html The cx3110x.patch from that link implements the required parts of WE-18 for the driver and fixes the problem for me. Thanks! -- Andrew Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] (614) 581-3537 (Verizon Wireless) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
Hi, managers, project managers, Think-Tanks, best developers stay for community leadership. At Google Groups, the most experienced developers, answering questions and providing valuable feedback are called Gurus, being nominated by Google Project Managers. Please have a look at Wikiedia entry for Community Council http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_council Community council From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Community councils (CCs) are the most local statutory representative bodies in Great Britain. Community councils in Scotland and Wales are somewhat similar to parish councils in England (which can also have the style Community council). In Scotland, their only statutory role is to communicate local opinion to larger bodies of local and central government. Members are chosen every three or four years. They are elected to represent the entire community council area “Community Councils 158. Any discussion of this subject has to pay special attention to the institution of community councils, whose purpose specifically is to represent local communities. Community councils are unique. They are statutory, but they are not another tier of local government; they are not creatures of the council, as area forums or citizens' panels are; nor are they purely voluntary bodies, as residents' associations and tenants' associations are. A community can choose not to have a community council; but if a community council exists the council can neither dissolve it, as it could dissolve or reorganise its own forums and panels, nor may it choose to ignore it, as it might ignore a voluntary association. Community Councils in England In England there are parish councils not community councils. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Softwarehttp://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Rebuild all chinook source packages on autobuilder
Hi all, Currently Ed Bartosh and I are working on taking all source packages from the extras repository and try to build them on the autobuilder. The goal of this chinook rebuild effort is to get a set of packages buildable 'from scratch'. Once we are able to build all(most?) packages on chinook, we can try to automatically build them for diablo. So we can have a lot of packages in the diablo repository at release of diablo. There is a web page[1] up with the first run, which was done over the weekend. All packages are listed in build order, based on dependencies, with their build results for i386 and armel. If a package build failed, a link to the build log is provided. If you provide a source package in extras, please check if your package is building OK. If you only provide binary packages in extras, we would like to encourage you to provide source packages too! We could really use some help from the community in pushing towards 100% OK build of every package in extras. When you have updated your package to fix the issues, please use the 'request rebuild' option on the packages list. This gives us the opportunity to track changes as a result of the list. We will rebuild packages on a regular interval and post a summary to this list. Let's see if we can get all packages to build! -- Niels Breet maemo.org webmaster [1] https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo_extras_chinook_rebuild.php PS: Please note that due to a build failure in python-2.5, all packages that depend on python fail. So after this failure is fixed, a lot more packages will build OK. I will contact the indt guys to get this sorted. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Rebuild all chinook source packages on autobuilder
Great! I will try to upload my sources asap. -- anidel On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Niels Breet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Currently Ed Bartosh and I are working on taking all source packages from the extras repository and try to build them on the autobuilder. The goal of this chinook rebuild effort is to get a set of packages buildable 'from scratch'. Once we are able to build all(most?) packages on chinook, we can try to automatically build them for diablo. So we can have a lot of packages in the diablo repository at release of diablo. There is a web page[1] up with the first run, which was done over the weekend. All packages are listed in build order, based on dependencies, with their build results for i386 and armel. If a package build failed, a link to the build log is provided. If you provide a source package in extras, please check if your package is building OK. If you only provide binary packages in extras, we would like to encourage you to provide source packages too! We could really use some help from the community in pushing towards 100% OK build of every package in extras. When you have updated your package to fix the issues, please use the 'request rebuild' option on the packages list. This gives us the opportunity to track changes as a result of the list. We will rebuild packages on a regular interval and post a summary to this list. Let's see if we can get all packages to build! -- Niels Breet maemo.org webmaster [1] https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo_extras_chinook_rebuild.php PS: Please note that due to a build failure in python-2.5, all packages that depend on python fail. So after this failure is fixed, a lot more packages will build OK. I will contact the indt guys to get this sorted. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Rebuild all chinook source packages on autobuilder
grsync_0.5.2-3 failed because: checking for gtk+-2.0 = 2.0.0 hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 libosso... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'gtk+-2.0' found Package hildon-1 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `hildon-1.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'hildon-1' found Package hildon-fm-2 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `hildon-fm-2.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'hildon-fm-2' found Package libosso was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libosso.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'libosso' found configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 = 2.0.0 hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 libosso) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. Maybe there are some dependencies requisites which I'm not aware of? Luca Donaggio On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Niels Breet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Currently Ed Bartosh and I are working on taking all source packages from the extras repository and try to build them on the autobuilder. The goal of this chinook rebuild effort is to get a set of packages buildable 'from scratch'. Once we are able to build all(most?) packages on chinook, we can try to automatically build them for diablo. So we can have a lot of packages in the diablo repository at release of diablo. There is a web page[1] up with the first run, which was done over the weekend. All packages are listed in build order, based on dependencies, with their build results for i386 and armel. If a package build failed, a link to the build log is provided. If you provide a source package in extras, please check if your package is building OK. If you only provide binary packages in extras, we would like to encourage you to provide source packages too! We could really use some help from the community in pushing towards 100% OK build of every package in extras. When you have updated your package to fix the issues, please use the 'request rebuild' option on the packages list. This gives us the opportunity to track changes as a result of the list. We will rebuild packages on a regular interval and post a summary to this list. Let's see if we can get all packages to build! -- Niels Breet maemo.org webmaster [1] https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo_extras_chinook_rebuild.php PS: Please note that due to a build failure in python-2.5, all packages that depend on python fail. So after this failure is fixed, a lot more packages will build OK. I will contact the indt guys to get this sorted. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Rebuild all chinook source packages on autobuilder
Thank you Niels, I'll check that and upload the new sources package ASAP! Luca Donaggio On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Niels Breet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: grsync_0.5.2-3 failed because: checking for gtk+-2.0 = 2.0.0 hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 libosso... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. [SNIP] Maybe there are some dependencies requisites which I'm not aware of? You should specify Build-Depends in debian/control for all dependencies. For example: Build-Depends: libgtk2.0-dev (= 2.10.0) You can check how other packages do this by looking at their source. Documentation about this part in the Debian packaging policy: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-sourcebinarydeps Luca Donaggio -- Niels Breet maemo.org webmaster ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
Frederic Crozat wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. And maybe stop spamming for that strange google group ... Cheers, Ralph pgpx4z0BPqWVh.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
my dear friend, how about configuring your mailer ? You have no title to tell me how should I configure my mailer as I read corporate mails with images and some html code inlined. All you can do is to ask me but never tell me anything I should or have to do, as you are not my boss. Upgrade your mailer to read mail correctly. No more problems ? And stop cutting off the body of my mail to kill the thread. Bad boy. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 4:33 PM On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. -- Frederic Crozat Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
Hi Darius, I notice in previous emails you have been unhappy with moderated groups and enforced limitations yet you continue to use HTML mail and fill peoples inboxes with useless data. The 20k limit does not hit people very often, but infact saves them from having to download huge files when catching up on threads. Text based email is clearly superior and has worked well for years. Speaking of limitation, why do you continue to use google groups who have a fixed policy regarding group creation. did you get very far regarding your problem regarding group creation limits? Surely in an open discussion forum from a giant such as Google should not be limited to the number of groups you can create? One day 200 group limit is in operation. Tommorrow 100 groups, next week 1 group is allowed. Or better. No-group-discussions. For anyone not up to speed, Darius is upset that google groups has a limit on the number he can create, just like the limitations on email size in this mailing list http://groups.google.com/group/Is-Something-Broken/browse_thread/thread/70d34da205dfb97c/4a41eea1fcbb9d7e?hl=enlnk=stq=face+to+face#4a41eea1fcbb9d7e Darius, there are a great number of people working hard to build the maemo platform and whilst it may not fit exactly with your way of thinking (I am sure you have many original inventive ideas) it may be beneficial for all if you would let us walk the path we are on and see where we end up. We welcome your input on topics which are relevant and informative and most here are more than willing to help if you have a problem, but please stop blocking the tubes with drivel. Gary (lcuk on #maemo) On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, managers, project managers, Think-Tanks, best developers stay for community leadership. At Google Groups, the most experienced developers, answering questions and providing valuable feedback are called Gurus, being nominated by Google Project Managers. Please have a look at Wikiedia entry for Community Council http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_council Community council From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_council#column-one, search http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_council#searchInput *Community councils* (CCs) are the most local statutoryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statuterepresentative bodies in Great Britain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain. Community councils in Scotland and Wales are somewhat similar to parish councils http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_parish in Englandhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England(which can also have the style Community council). In Scotland, their only statutory role is to communicate local opinion to larger bodies of local and central government. Members are chosen every three or four years. They are elected to represent the entire community council area *Community Councils* 158. Any discussion of this subject has to pay special attention to the institution of community councils, whose purpose specifically is to represent local communities. Community councils are unique. They are statutory, but they are not another tier of local government; they are not creatures of the council, as area forums or citizens' panels are; nor are they purely voluntary bodies, as residents' associations and tenants' associations are. A community can choose not to have a community council; but if a community council exists the council can neither dissolve it, as it could dissolve or reorganise its own forums and panels, nor may it choose to ignore it, as it might ignore a voluntary association. Community Councils in England In England there are parish councilshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_parishnot community councils. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Softwarehttp://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
He is more than right in asking you to write in simple text HERE on this mailing list. Because this is also what 'I' ask you (and JUST because I am a regular USER of this mailing list). Pleasing other users is what makes you part of the community too. If you don't want to be part of it, just leave it. If you want to be part of it ( as I understand it ), then play by the rule. You self said that the community should moderate itself. That's what happened right now, and you did not cooperate. Please, do. Otherwise no one will listen to you. At least, not me. -- Aniello Del Sorbo On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my dear friend, how about configuring your mailer ? You have no title to tell me how should I configure my mailer as I read corporate mails with images and some html code inlined. All you can do is to ask me but never tell me anything I should or have to do, as you are not my boss. Upgrade your mailer to read mail correctly. No more problems ? And stop cutting off the body of my mail to kill the thread. Bad boy. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 4:33 PM On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. -- Frederic Crozat Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
There is nothing strange about Global Alliance on Open Source Software. Interest is great. GAoOSS is exactly about a democracy and community of developers. So it's you spamming the thread, cutting off e-mail body to kill the thread. Off-topic problems are bad solutions. Look at my mail and look at subject line and stop spamming. Ok. You don't the idea of the Global Alliance (as I see), you don't like that democratic form of agreement between developers, corporations, Free Software Foundation and others. But your problem is your problem and you can't stop free developers, free corporations to do what they wish to do. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Ralph Angenendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ralph Angenendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 5:08 PM Frederic Crozat wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. And maybe stop spamming for that strange google group ... Cheers, Ralph___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Rebuild all chinook source packages on autobuilder
grsync_0.5.2-3 failed because: checking for gtk+-2.0 = 2.0.0 hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 libosso... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. [SNIP] Maybe there are some dependencies requisites which I'm not aware of? You should specify Build-Depends in debian/control for all dependencies. For example: Build-Depends: libgtk2.0-dev (= 2.10.0) You can check how other packages do this by looking at their source. Documentation about this part in the Debian packaging policy: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-sourcebinarydeps Luca Donaggio -- Niels Breet maemo.org webmaster ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Rebuild all chinook source packages on autobuilder
Niels Breet wrote: Hi all, Currently Ed Bartosh and I are working on taking all source packages from the extras repository and try to build them on the autobuilder. The goal of this chinook rebuild effort is to get a set of packages buildable 'from scratch'. Once we are able to build all(most?) packages on chinook, we can try to automatically build them for diablo. So we can have a lot of packages in the diablo repository at release of diablo. There is a web page[1] up with the first run, which was done over the weekend. All packages are listed in build order, based on dependencies, with their build results for i386 and armel. If a package build failed, a link to the build log is provided. If you provide a source package in extras, please check if your package is building OK. If you only provide binary packages in extras, we would like to encourage you to provide source packages too! We could really use some help from the community in pushing towards 100% OK build of every package in extras. When you have updated your package to fix the issues, please use the 'request rebuild' option on the packages list. This gives us the opportunity to track changes as a result of the list. We will rebuild packages on a regular interval and post a summary to this list. Let's see if we can get all packages to build! -- Niels Breet maemo.org webmaster [1] https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo_extras_chinook_rebuild.php PS: Please note that due to a build failure in python-2.5, all packages that depend on python fail. So after this failure is fixed, a lot more packages will build OK. I will contact the indt guys to get this sorted. krb5 is failing because curses isn't installed. I thought I had removed the dependency. Openafs will fail because krb5 failed and because it needs the kernel source. how should I set up for using kernel source using the autobuilder? Jason ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Rebuild all chinook source packages on autobuilder
Is there any link with the autobuilder ? Because I changed my packages so that they build with auto-builder (mainly declare hildon-dev dependencies) and you tried to build the version I uploaded to extras before that ... Fred Niels Breet a écrit : Hi all, Currently Ed Bartosh and I are working on taking all source packages from the extras repository and try to build them on the autobuilder. The goal of this chinook rebuild effort is to get a set of packages buildable 'from scratch'. Once we are able to build all(most?) packages on chinook, we can try to automatically build them for diablo. So we can have a lot of packages in the diablo repository at release of diablo. There is a web page[1] up with the first run, which was done over the weekend. All packages are listed in build order, based on dependencies, with their build results for i386 and armel. If a package build failed, a link to the build log is provided. If you provide a source package in extras, please check if your package is building OK. If you only provide binary packages in extras, we would like to encourage you to provide source packages too! We could really use some help from the community in pushing towards 100% OK build of every package in extras. When you have updated your package to fix the issues, please use the 'request rebuild' option on the packages list. This gives us the opportunity to track changes as a result of the list. We will rebuild packages on a regular interval and post a summary to this list. Let's see if we can get all packages to build! -- Niels Breet maemo.org webmaster [1] https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo_extras_chinook_rebuild.php PS: Please note that due to a build failure in python-2.5, all packages that depend on python fail. So after this failure is fixed, a lot more packages will build OK. I will contact the indt guys to get this sorted. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
USB Host - Class 1 Bluetooth
I am interested in using class 1 USB bluetooth adapters in Maemo. So far I have flashed a 770 with the latest OS2007 hacker edition and enabled USB host mode. I have also built a power injector to provide attached USB devices with 5v. I am now looking at how to get a suitable driver for the hardware and then setting up BlueZ to use the attached adapter instead of the 770's internal class 2 adapter. Does this seem like a feasible approach to you Maemo gurus? I'm getting better/faster at working in Linux/Maemo but progress is still slow. Any tips greatly appreciated as they will probably save me a lot of time. Does anyone know of any people or projects attempting anything similar? I surely can't be the first to try this, other people must have looked at class 1 bluetooth for these devices. If not is this interesting to anyone else? Thanks, Dan ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Rebuild all chinook source packages on autobuilder
Niels, I ported/maintain Roadmap-1.1.0 for Maemo. It's not going to autobuild unless I upload the build-deps (libagg, freetype, and possibly libcurl soon) to extras. AGG and cURL are straight ports of the debian packages. freetype was compiled and installed from source as the debian package wouldn't build... I'd be happy to provide whatever's needed for autobuild to work on Diablo. But I've a couple questions. Do I need to create projects for these packages to upload them? Or should I just get *debs built and upload them as-is? (And where in the package should I note that these are un-modified debian packages?) Cheers, Charles Werbick ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Rebuild all chinook source packages on autobuilder
On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 17:53 +0200, ext Fred wrote: Is there any link with the autobuilder ? Because I changed my packages so that they build with auto-builder (mainly declare hildon-dev dependencies) and you tried to build the version I uploaded to extras before that ... That's because you haven't promote your packages to extras. Autobuilder puts successfully built packages into extras-devel. It's up to package maintainer to decide when package is ready to be promoted from extras-devel to extras. This is what promotion interface was made for [1]. [1] https://garage.maemo.org/promoter-beta/interface.py Fred Niels Breet a écrit : Hi all, Currently Ed Bartosh and I are working on taking all source packages from the extras repository and try to build them on the autobuilder. The goal of this chinook rebuild effort is to get a set of packages buildable 'from scratch'. Once we are able to build all(most?) packages on chinook, we can try to automatically build them for diablo. So we can have a lot of packages in the diablo repository at release of diablo. There is a web page[1] up with the first run, which was done over the weekend. All packages are listed in build order, based on dependencies, with their build results for i386 and armel. If a package build failed, a link to the build log is provided. If you provide a source package in extras, please check if your package is building OK. If you only provide binary packages in extras, we would like to encourage you to provide source packages too! We could really use some help from the community in pushing towards 100% OK build of every package in extras. When you have updated your package to fix the issues, please use the 'request rebuild' option on the packages list. This gives us the opportunity to track changes as a result of the list. We will rebuild packages on a regular interval and post a summary to this list. Let's see if we can get all packages to build! -- Niels Breet maemo.org webmaster [1] https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo_extras_chinook_rebuild.php PS: Please note that due to a build failure in python-2.5, all packages that depend on python fail. So after this failure is fixed, a lot more packages will build OK. I will contact the indt guys to get this sorted. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Rebuild all chinook source packages on autobuilder
On Monday 16 June 2008 16:53:41 Fred wrote: Because I changed my packages so that they build with auto-builder (mainly declare hildon-dev dependencies) and you tried to build the version I uploaded to extras before that ... Same with all the GPE packages. The GPE packages in extras-devel have all been built successfully with the autobuilder. As they are exactly the same software as the extras versions I have not bothered to promote them to extras. Where packages exist in both extras and extras-devel, please use the packages from extras-devel for your building. I plan on having new GPE packages in extras-devel (built using the autobuilder, of course) in a few weeks. Once these have been tested for a while they will eventually be promoted into extras but I don't intend to touch the versions in extras until then. Note: some of the GPE packages have not built for i386. This is because they are dependent on libsoup which is not available in extras or extras-devel for i386 or as a source package. I have not had time to re-port it and all its dependencies in order to submit the source packages. Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Rebuild all chinook source packages on autobuilder
Is there any link with the autobuilder ? Because I changed my packages so that they build with auto-builder (mainly declare hildon-dev dependencies) and you tried to build the version I uploaded to extras before that ... These packages are taken from the extras repository. The autobuilder[1][2] uploads to extras-devel. After upload to extras-devel you can promote[3] your package to extras yourself via the promotion interface. Fred [1] http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html [2] https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php [3] https://garage.maemo.org/promoter-beta/interface.py ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Rebuild all chinook source packages on autobuilder
On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 11:19 -0400, ext Jason Edgecombe wrote: krb5 is failing because curses isn't installed. I thought I had removed the dependency. If you just removed dependency from the debian/control it's not enough. According to the build log configure still depends on curses. It actually fails because of this: configure: error: Could not find tgetent; are you missing a curses/ncurses library? Openafs will fail because krb5 failed and because it needs the kernel source. how should I set up for using kernel source using the autobuilder? Which kernel sources did you use to build package? You should build depend openafs on the package with those sources. BTW, are you sure you need kernel sources, not just headers? BR, -- Ed ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Rebuild all chinook source packages on autobuilder
On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 17:48 +0100, ext Graham Cobb wrote: On Monday 16 June 2008 16:53:41 Fred wrote: Because I changed my packages so that they build with auto-builder (mainly declare hildon-dev dependencies) and you tried to build the version I uploaded to extras before that ... Same with all the GPE packages. The GPE packages in extras-devel have all been built successfully with the autobuilder. As they are exactly the same software as the extras versions I have not bothered to promote them to extras. How come they're the same? If you changed something you should be at least increasing revisions of your packages, shouldn't you? Where packages exist in both extras and extras-devel, please use the packages from extras-devel for your building. Well, extras-devel is for development packages, AFAIK, they're not ready to be used by users. We're going to rebuild packages from extras and then rebuld them for Diablo to give users opportunity to use extras on their tablets. Rebuilding extras-devel may be a good idea, but I propose to concentrate on extras first. Than we can rebuild extras-devel if developers want it. I plan on having new GPE packages in extras-devel (built using the autobuilder, of course) in a few weeks. Once these have been tested for a while they will eventually be promoted into extras but I don't intend to touch the versions in extras until then. I'd suggest to increase revisions for those packages, which included into the build, upload them to autobuilder and promote to extras use 'request rebuild' option on the rebuild page. They will be included into the next build round. Note: some of the GPE packages have not built for i386. This is because they are dependent on libsoup which is not available in extras or extras-devel for i386 or as a source package. I have not had time to re-port it and all its dependencies in order to submit the source packages. So, what's your suggestion? Live it as it is or find time for a fix? BTW, if you only want your packages built for armel, you can put 'armel' in the 'Architecture:' field of your debian/control. Autobuilder is smart enough and your packages will be built only for armel. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
Folks, there are two solutions to this problem. 1. Ignore him. He will get bored and go away if he stops getting responses. An easy way to do this is to create a rule in your mailer which shunts every message from dariusjack directly into the trash without being read. 2. Or... remove him from the mailing list. More rude. But more effective in the short term, since it doesn't require cooperation from everybody on the list. What clearly won't work is to try to reason with him. That's like trying to reason with a scorpion. -- Allen Brown http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown He is more than right in asking you to write in simple text HERE on this mailing list. Because this is also what 'I' ask you (and JUST because I am a regular USER of this mailing list). Pleasing other users is what makes you part of the community too. If you don't want to be part of it, just leave it. If you want to be part of it ( as I understand it ), then play by the rule. You self said that the community should moderate itself. That's what happened right now, and you did not cooperate. Please, do. Otherwise no one will listen to you. At least, not me. -- Aniello Del Sorbo On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my dear friend, how about configuring your mailer ? You have no title to tell me how should I configure my mailer as I read corporate mails with images and some html code inlined. All you can do is to ask me but never tell me anything I should or have to do, as you are not my boss. Upgrade your mailer to read mail correctly. No more problems ? And stop cutting off the body of my mail to kill the thread. Bad boy. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 4:33 PM On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. -- Frederic Crozat Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Pleasing other users - new obligation under rules set by Community council in-spe at Maemo ?
Hello my friend, I am posting this group for almost a year and nobody claimed any problem reading my mail. Quim; Nokia's Director or others never reported any problem. Does it really make any problem for you to upgrade your mailer to read rich-text generated by Yahoo ? Pleasing others is what makes you . So sorry, I can't please you. not interested ;) Darius --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Aniello Del Sorbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Aniello Del Sorbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED], maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 5:33 PM He is more than right in asking you to write in simple text HERE on this mailing list. Because this is also what 'I' ask you (and JUST because I am a regular USER of this mailing list). Pleasing other users is what makes you part of the community too. If you don't want to be part of it, just leave it. If you want to be part of it ( as I understand it ), then play by the rule. You self said that the community should moderate itself. That's what happened right now, and you did not cooperate. Please, do. Otherwise no one will listen to you. At least, not me. -- Aniello Del Sorbo On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my dear friend, how about configuring your mailer ? You have no title to tell me how should I configure my mailer as I read corporate mails with images and some html code inlined. All you can do is to ask me but never tell me anything I should or have to do, as you are not my boss. Upgrade your mailer to read mail correctly. No more problems ? And stop cutting off the body of my mail to kill the thread. Bad boy. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 4:33 PM On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. -- Frederic Crozat Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: USB Host - Class 1 Bluetooth
This is tangential to what you are asking about, but I think you could run into a problem with your power injector. It's been a few years since I read the USB specs, but as I recall the host knows, and makes decisions based on, what power is available. Also it switches that power on and off depending on what state the bus is in. There could be problems if the actual power doesn't match what the host thinks it is. -- Allen Brown http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown I am interested in using class 1 USB bluetooth adapters in Maemo. So far I have flashed a 770 with the latest OS2007 hacker edition and enabled USB host mode. I have also built a power injector to provide attached USB devices with 5v. I am now looking at how to get a suitable driver for the hardware and then setting up BlueZ to use the attached adapter instead of the 770's internal class 2 adapter. Does this seem like a feasible approach to you Maemo gurus? I'm getting better/faster at working in Linux/Maemo but progress is still slow. Any tips greatly appreciated as they will probably save me a lot of time. Does anyone know of any people or projects attempting anything similar? I surely can't be the first to try this, other people must have looked at class 1 bluetooth for these devices. If not is this interesting to anyone else? Thanks, Dan ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Non-technical discussions
Hi, there's recently been lots of non-technical traffic and lots of bashing/trolling on this list. While i don't have a problem with a few non-technical messages in my inbox, i am currently tempted to unsubscribe since those email flamewars are imho just getting too much. How a about a new mailing list maemo-generic-discussions or so? Anyone else not interested in being involved in those non-technical flamewar like discussions? Till http://www.harbaum.org/till/maemo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
Exactly my friend. Keep you mouth wide shut and vote YES for Community council. Otherwise we moderate you, cut off your input, your threads. We are your friends. Good friends, as long as you vote YES for our Community council and vote YES for us. Exactly trash is the best place for those voting NO. We are the Winners. Long live Democracy as long you vote YES for us. Exactly the reason, so many smart guys, developers, are looking for some king of legal protection of the IPs under Global Alliance on Open Source Software. You see my friend. Maemo.org is not giving its helpful hand to free developers as you don't like democracy. You like moderation, total control and your Trash. You don't need any open discussion, any free and open voting, as you have been already nominated and elected to your Community council at your Community. You have already set your own rules to please your needs. You don't care for the business of the Community, of the Nokia, other corportions involved in building Linux embedded devies. What you care for is your private business interest. Not a nice idea to build democratic community. But still have a chance to stay open-minded, nice, kind and fully democratic. Forget your trash, for moderation, forget your discrimination principles. As long as one euro, one dollar moves from Nokia or other corporations to Maemo.org in donations, financing, support to staff, website, any activity you have to follow non-discrimination rules set by the European Union, business place for your donator. Please don't be devil, don't hurt excellent democratic status of the Nokia Corporation in your comments. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Allen Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Allen Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 9:11 PM Folks, there are two solutions to this problem. 1. Ignore him. He will get bored and go away if he stops getting responses. An easy way to do this is to create a rule in your mailer which shunts every message from dariusjack directly into the trash without being read. 2. Or... remove him from the mailing list. More rude. But more effective in the short term, since it doesn't require cooperation from everybody on the list. What clearly won't work is to try to reason with him. That's like trying to reason with a scorpion. -- Allen Brown http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown He is more than right in asking you to write in simple text HERE on this mailing list. Because this is also what 'I' ask you (and JUST because I am a regular USER of this mailing list). Pleasing other users is what makes you part of the community too. If you don't want to be part of it, just leave it. If you want to be part of it ( as I understand it ), then play by the rule. You self said that the community should moderate itself. That's what happened right now, and you did not cooperate. Please, do. Otherwise no one will listen to you. At least, not me. -- Aniello Del Sorbo On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my dear friend, how about configuring your mailer ? You have no title to tell me how should I configure my mailer as I read corporate mails with images and some html code inlined. All you can do is to ask me but never tell me anything I should or have to do, as you are not my boss. Upgrade your mailer to read mail correctly. No more problems ? And stop cutting off the body of my mail to kill the thread. Bad boy. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 4:33 PM On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. -- Frederic Crozat Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: Pleasing other users - new obligation under rules set by Community council in-spe at Maemo ?
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello my friend, I am posting this group for almost a year and nobody claimed any problem reading my mail. There is always a start to follow proper rules on mailing list. Quim; Nokia's Director or others never reported any problem. So, you mean you don't give a damn if people without a nokia.com Does it really make any problem for you to upgrade your mailer to read rich-text generated by Yahoo ? Is it really a problem for you to switch your Yahoo mailer from enriched text to simple text ? You are not writing for yourself (I hope so) but to other people to make sure they read what you wrote. Yet, you don't follow basic rules across most free software mailing lists : -don't post HTML text, but plain text only -don't top post and only quote part of the message you respond to -refrain to use emails as advertising to other Pleasing others is what makes you . So sorry, I can't please you. not interested ;) You are the one who are being rude to every reader of this mailing list, by not following those basic rules of politeness, which discard any kind of message you might want to send. Several people have tried to explain you should refrain from doing so. -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Non-technical discussions
Hi, Hi, there's recently been lots of non-technical traffic and lots of bashing/trolling on this list. While i don't have a problem with a few non-technical messages in my inbox, i am currently tempted to unsubscribe since those email flamewars are imho just getting too much. How a about a new mailing list maemo-generic-discussions or so? Anyone else not interested in being involved in those non-technical flamewar like discussions? We plan to create a maemo-community list for community discussions as written here: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo2midgard-discussion/2008-June/000352.html These changes are planned for this week, so hang in there. :) Till http://www.harbaum.org/till/maemo -- Niels Breet maemo.org webmaster ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Pleasing other users - new obligation under rules set by Community council in-spe at Maemo ?
My dear friend, I just switched your mail to Plain Text and it's hard to read it on light green background. Try to upgrade your mailer one day. Your list makes a very small percentage of all my e-mail traffic I get and as 99,999% posters has, has had no problems yet, try to solve your problem on yourself. I don't generate html , I just read and reply. I like white background in my mailer as light green is hard to read or post. Try to please me too ;) Frankly speaking, from the very beginning I opted for on-line reading, posting, no e-mail delivery. I would like to unsubscribe from this list and still have an opportunity to read a list on-line and post on-line as I get used at Google Groups. That way I can keep my mailbox clean of spam requesting me to please you and others. And please don't follow this thread. Finished, closed, ended. Darius --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pleasing other users - new obligation under rules set by Community council in-spe at Maemo ? To: maemo-dev maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 9:37 PM On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello my friend, I am posting this group for almost a year and nobody claimed any problem reading my mail. There is always a start to follow proper rules on mailing list. Quim; Nokia's Director or others never reported any problem. So, you mean you don't give a damn if people without a nokia.com Does it really make any problem for you to upgrade your mailer to read rich-text generated by Yahoo ? Is it really a problem for you to switch your Yahoo mailer from enriched text to simple text ? You are not writing for yourself (I hope so) but to other people to make sure they read what you wrote. Yet, you don't follow basic rules across most free software mailing lists : -don't post HTML text, but plain text only -don't top post and only quote part of the message you respond to -refrain to use emails as advertising to other Pleasing others is what makes you . So sorry, I can't please you. not interested ;) You are the one who are being rude to every reader of this mailing list, by not following those basic rules of politeness, which discard any kind of message you might want to send. Several people have tried to explain you should refrain from doing so. -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Fwd: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
2008/6/16 Allen Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What clearly won't work is to try to reason with him. That's like trying to reason with a scorpion. The odd thing, IMO, is that usually when someone like this crops up on a forum or mailing list, it's pretty clear what their agenda is, or where they're coming from. With Mr. Jack, I must confess that I have no idea whatsoever what his point or angle is, despite having (at least half-) read several of his posts. Regards, Neil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
Hi Igor, speaking in the name of the Nokia Corporation, be so kind to set the sdame rules for your kind ffriends, financed by Nokia to avopid any discrimination policy at the website, financed, donated by Nokia. Just read the European Union standards and rules on non-discrimination policy. And please stop speaking about html code as I use the same mailer for years and in your previous e-mails you have seen no problems. So what's the problem with you today. Does it mean you and Nokia speak for Community Council and you don't like my No for Community Council showing not good cause to discuss the issue and showing no-problems to kill the thread spamming it with non-existing problems. Global Alliance on Open Free Software is really a good step in the right direction. In the meantime I was approached by developers, contacted some small and bigger corporations. Global Alliance is in vital interest of Nokia, Apple, Microsoft, TomTom and others is in vital interest of developers moving back and forth between hundreds of communities of developers world-wide. They really deserve some form of legal protection for their work and job done for the community. greetings, Darius --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 9:52 PM Hi, please note that i'm writing to you only, since this is really meant to be a friendly advice. No flames. No public debates, just my advice. You seem to be full of energy and that's good. You also want to interact, that's good too. But in order for you to be able to make your point, you have to learn the basics of how to interact with a community. I recommend you this excellent reading: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html and this one: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They are not very long and will help you understanding why your efforts are taking you nowhere at the moment. I sincerely hope you can learn from these readings and come back with a new way of presenting your arguments. P.S.: If you are not able to turn off html in your mail client, just state it out clearly, nobody will blame you for this, but actually it's likely that you will receive help. But it _really_ is annoying to get html stuff, so unless you are unable to cope, please switch it off. You will understand why by reading the links above. -- Cheers, Igor --- Igor Stoppa Nokia Devices RD - Helsinki Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Community council
Hi all, So - the community council, then... what do people think of the idea? What should the remit be? I agree with the poster who said that monthly or quarterly election would be too frequent. All depends on how onerous the voting process will be, I suppose. Proposals to go here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council And discussions can go to the list, or here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:Community_Council Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 20:04 +, ext Darius Jack wrote: speaking in the name of the Nokia Corporation, be so kind to set the sdame rules for your kind ffriends, financed by Nokia to avopid any discrimination policy at the website, financed, donated by Nokia. Just read the European Union standards and rules on non-discrimination policy. *plonk* -- Cheers, Igor --- Igor Stoppa Nokia Devices RD - Helsinki ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: USB Host - Class 1 Bluetooth
I don't think the power should be an issue as Bluetooth adapters shouldn't be much more demanding that other USB devices that people have got working with the 770. I am using a circuit similar to this one, http://www.hcilab.org/projects/nokia770/nokia770.htm. I will test my circuit with other simpler USB devices with comparable power usage but I think the problems will be more related to software than hardware. I don't have much experience with drivers on Linux so that is the bit were I am worried I might have overlooked something crucial. Cheers, Dan Allen Brown wrote: This is tangential to what you are asking about, but I think you could run into a problem with your power injector. It's been a few years since I read the USB specs, but as I recall the host knows, and makes decisions based on, what power is available. Also it switches that power on and off depending on what state the bus is in. There could be problems if the actual power doesn't match what the host thinks it is. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: USB Host - Class 1 Bluetooth
I think you didn't understand what I was saying. I'm not saying the device will draw more power than your injector can handle. I am saying that turning the power on and off is a part of the protocol. And messing with this can break things. Also the host (i.e. Nokia) may not allow a device to come on if it reports needing more than the host *thinks* it is capable of. Not sure about this. When I was reading the USB spec I was focussed on the electronics, not the software. If you can your hands on a copy of the USB spec, do so. Unfortunately that may be difficult. They want you to pay money to play in that game. -- Allen Brown http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown I don't think the power should be an issue as Bluetooth adapters shouldn't be much more demanding that other USB devices that people have got working with the 770. I am using a circuit similar to this one, http://www.hcilab.org/projects/nokia770/nokia770.htm. I will test my circuit with other simpler USB devices with comparable power usage but I think the problems will be more related to software than hardware. I don't have much experience with drivers on Linux so that is the bit were I am worried I might have overlooked something crucial. Cheers, Dan Allen Brown wrote: This is tangential to what you are asking about, but I think you could run into a problem with your power injector. It's been a few years since I read the USB specs, but as I recall the host knows, and makes decisions based on, what power is available. Also it switches that power on and off depending on what state the bus is in. There could be problems if the actual power doesn't match what the host thinks it is. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Rebuild all chinook source packages on autobuilder
Ed Bartosh wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 11:19 -0400, ext Jason Edgecombe wrote: krb5 is failing because curses isn't installed. I thought I had removed the dependency. If you just removed dependency from the debian/control it's not enough. According to the build log configure still depends on curses. It actually fails because of this: configure: error: Could not find tgetent; are you missing a curses/ncurses library? Openafs will fail because krb5 failed and because it needs the kernel source. how should I set up for using kernel source using the autobuilder? Which kernel sources did you use to build package? You should build depend openafs on the package with those sources. BTW, are you sure you need kernel sources, not just headers? I might just need headers, but I'm not sure. I'll have to play with it. Jason ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: USB Host - Class 1 Bluetooth
Hi, --- On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Allen Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Also the host (i.e. Nokia) may not allow a device to come on | if it reports needing more than the host *thinks* it is capable | of. \-- Section: 7.2.1.4: High-power Bus-powered Functions, pp. 174 ? [1] If sufficient power exists, the remainder of the function may be powered on. --- | If you can your hands on a copy of the USB spec, do so. Unfortunately | that may be difficult. They want you to pay money to play in that | game. \-- This one? [1] usb_20.pdf. http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
