Re: Beyond Application Manager Categories
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the current AM is a pretty unfriendly place for browsing a long list of available applications. In the past, I kept saying that I don't want the AM to turn into a portal for applications, that should be left to the browser. We have downloads.maemo.org, which is this portal. Are people using it? As a thought experiment, could we remove the Browse installable applications button from the AM and get by with just downloads.maemo.org? Should we work on better integration? Downloads.maemo.org could use information from the device to give a view that is nicely tailored to each device. I really hate browsing Downloads on the device. .installs are awkward, Downloads is slow and irritating and the browser just isn't responsive enough. My personal desire is to see h-a-m become similar to the AppStore as the one-stop-shop for applications and packages. Native applications will always be faster, slicker and more usable than a web-based equivalent. Especially on a mobile device. Applications might want to do their own add-on management, or want to defer to a central application that is good at it. For example, the theme selector could list available themes in addition to the installed ones. The media player might be able to figure out that a codec add-on is missing and offer to install it. This goes into the direction of PackageKit and package management as a system service. Something to keep in mind. It'll take some non-trivial amount of work and commitment. I like this idea, but the implementation sounds rather involved. Maybe something to target for farther down the road, but not really something I see as realistic in the Fremantle timeframe. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: WebKit on Maemo
Libwebkit in the repos is from march and for Chinook /in chinook repos/. On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Till Harbaum / Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, Am Sonntag 09 November 2008 schrieb KwangYul Seo: I compiled WebKit-r38068(2008-11-03) ran GtkLauncher on N810 with the following options: ... minutes to see the initial Google page. The same problem occurs on qemu-arm too. What's the wrong? You mean you did some port that doesn't work and now you want to ask others why it isn't working? Also, libwebkit also is in the repositories. Does that version work better for you? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Maemo Bug Jar #30
A Quick Look at Maemo Bugzilla (https://bugs.maemo.org/). 2008-11-03 through 2008-11-09 As of 2008-11-10 Maemo Bugzilla contains 2973 (+4 this week) items, including 1008 open issues (-14 this week): * 619 open bugs (-11 this week) * 12 critical/blocker (no change this week) * 16 easyfix (+1 this week) * 171 moreinfo (+1 this week) * 20 crash (no change this week) * 16 patch (+1 this week) * 14 reopened (no change this week) * 210 unconfirmed (-5 this week) * 389 open enhancements (-3 this week) * 12 easyfix (-2 this week) * 9 moreinfo (+1 this week) * 14 patch (no change this week) * 4 reopened (no change this week) * 77 unconfirmed (+1 this week) ==--- New Items ---== 2 bugs were opened - ( https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=3843,3847 ): * [3843] Clock Fails to Switch from Daylight to Standard Time * [3847] Function (Fn) key disabled always, numbered keys disabled @ boot lock code, Chr key disabled 0 bugs were critical/blocker. 2 enhancements were opened - ( https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=3844,3845 ): * [3844] Packages with invalid sections should appear in the Other category * [3845] New list of valid categories needs to be added to Application Manager and localized ==--- Closed Bugs ---== 8 bugs were closed fixed - ( https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=1247,1531,2213,2385,2537,3072,3660,3830 ): * [1247] N800 applications generally are modal dialog box mazes * [1531] GtkTreeView does not emit row-activated signals on tap or double-tap * [2213] Song on the internal SD card are ignored * [2385] osso-xterm has wrong depency on maemo-browser-interface-dev | osso-browser-interface-dev * [2537] Only INBOX namespace is shown * [3072] Contacts not responding when i tap screen after opening contacts * [3660] going off- then on-line with ad-hoc doesn't reconnect wifi * [3830] IP Routing Table Incorrectly configured for Wi-Fi with static address 1 bug was closed invalid - ( https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=2748 ): * [2748] Mediaplayer will only allow items to be removed from library if they exist on mmc/sd card 1 bug was closed wontfix - ( https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=2839 ): * [2839] Cannot delete menu items in Panels Task navigator Apps Organize 1 bug was closed duplicate - ( https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=3045 ): * [3045] Mediaplayer incorrect display MP3 ID in 8bit encodings 1 bug was closed worksforme - ( https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=2568 ): * [2568] Menu icons for newly installed software are not shown at correct size before reboot 0 bugs were closed moved. ==--- Closed Enhancements ---== 3 enhancements were closed fixed - ( https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=708,2560,3442 ): * [708] Connection icon should show signalstrength * [2560] Editor: Confusing File format string; move format out of sub-sub-menu * [3442] Provide a real change log for the agps-ui 1 enhancement was closed invalid - ( https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=279 ): * [279] Pasting impossible from Add-Feed entry 2 enhancements were closed wontfix - ( https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=656,2772 ): * [656] Audio player should allow volume change with closed cover * [2772] Metalayer Crawler adds all oggs from Map application (with large CPU and memory usage) 0 enhancements were closed duplicate. 1 enhancement was closed worksforme - ( https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=473 ): * [473] Too aggressive WLAN power save timing crashes audio player 0 enhancements were closed moved. ==--- Confirmed Items ---== 3 bugs were confirmed - ( https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=1968,2223,2839 ): * [1968] Accept-Language is based on Regional settings instead of Device language * [2223] Changing device name impossible when in offline mode or bluetooth off * [2839] Cannot delete menu items in Panels Task navigator Apps Organize 0 enhancements were confirmed. ==--- Reopened Items ---== 0 bugs were reopened. 1 enhancement was reopened - ( https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=2450 ): * [2450] Audio recording above sampling rate of 8KHz ==--- Top Tens ---== Ten biggest open bugs by number of votes - ( https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=2878,2723,375,2784,2850,3557,2640,1767,3026,2602 ): 1. (14%) [2878] Very poor satellite acquisition with internal GPS 2. (5%) [2723] Pushing key once causes multiple repeats 3. (4%) [375] minimum backlight level is too bright at night 4. (3%) [2784] Screen taps or presses go to random locations, randomly 5. (3%) [2850] On screen keyboard dooesn't always realise that bluetooth keyboard has been connected or disconnected (+1 this week) 6. (3%) [3557] Browser tops its windows by itself (-1 this week) 7. (2%) [2640] Can no longer pair bluetooth keyboard after upgrade to OS 2008 with restore 8. (2%) [1767] trying to connect to localhost while offline/disconnected triggers network search 9.
Re: Maemo Bug Jar #30
Stephen Gadsby wrote: A Quick Look at Maemo Bugzilla (https://bugs.maemo.org/). 2008-11-03 through 2008-11-09 As of 2008-11-10 Maemo Bugzilla contains 2973 (+4 this week) items, including 1008 open issues (-14 this week): * 619 open bugs (-11 this week) ... * 16 easyfix (+1 this week) ... * 16 patch (+1 this week) that is +1 for patch and +1 easyfix but below with detailed list there is no listing for this easyfix+patch bug ==--- Keyworded Items ---== ( glossary: https://bugs.maemo.org/describekeywords.cgi ) ... 0 bugs were tagged easyfix. ... 0 bugs were tagged patch. Is this Bug Jar bug or feature? The +1 patch+easyfix bug not listed in keyworded items is here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2747 - inconsistent mmc device naming at boot time when one card is missing Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: What category should network filesystems like OpenAFS go under?
On Saturday 08 November 2008 19:28:57 Mike Lococo wrote: This stikes me as a similarly flawed approach. Terminal-based applications have the same range of functionality that graphical applications have, so you either need to duplicate your category list in two places (and force users interested in both types to look twice), or you stop categorizing terminal-apps altogether (and leave users that use them with the bad categorization problem we have now). Good point. I withdraw the suggestion for a category for CLI tools. I like your suggestion of standardising on some debtags to indicate a CLI tool as I am hoping that, one day in the future, AppMgr will gain a debtags search function. Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: WebKit on Maemo
Hi, Am Sonntag 09 November 2008 schrieb KwangYul Seo: I compiled WebKit-r38068(2008-11-03) ran GtkLauncher on N810 with the following options: ... minutes to see the initial Google page. The same problem occurs on qemu-arm too. What's the wrong? You mean you did some port that doesn't work and now you want to ask others why it isn't working? Also, libwebkit also is in the repositories. Does that version work better for you? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: What category should network filesystems like OpenAFS go under?
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:02 PM, tz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the whole application manager apt-get dists debian system is going to be so brittle that the only SAFE way to get an application on to your system is with Application Manager in blue-pill mode, then there should be a user/cli category or something. apt-get upgrade wont break your system if you're not fetching from every insane repository you can find. An apt-get dist-upgrade, on the other hand, will break things when it pulls in coreutils if you have the SDK repository enabled, but Nokia is very clear about that not being intended for the device. Red Pill and SDK repos are a misdirection, please leave them out of this discussion, as they aren't relevant here. The question is: Should console-only applications be sorted into a user/-prefix category? Yes, but the distinction should be between root and non-root packages. Stuff like SSH, nano, rootsh, zip/unzip, irssi, etc.--clearly user-oriented applications should appear in user/*, but stuff like bluez-utils-test, and developer-oriented stuff really shouldn't. Again, if you've got issues with the setup of the SDK repo, or your particular decisions regarding dependencies, then those are separate issues than whether certain system and CLI packages should be user-visible. Either get the Tools repo moved to Extras, or upload the dependencies you need yourself, but don't be user-hostile by trying to solve these issues breaking the categorization. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: WebKit on Maemo
The JIT compiler won't work on ARM. On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 4:35 PM, KwangYul Seo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Till Harbaum / Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Am Sonntag 09 November 2008 schrieb KwangYul Seo: I compiled WebKit-r38068(2008-11-03) ran GtkLauncher on N810 with the following options: ... minutes to see the initial Google page. The same problem occurs on qemu-arm too. What's the wrong? You mean you did some port that doesn't work and now you want to ask others why it isn't working? Also, libwebkit also is in the repositories. Does that version work better for you? I wanted to try the latest version of WebKit with SquirrelFish Extreme enabled. BTW, I found the problem. After I killed some background daemons, the compiled WebKit worked fine. I think the problem was related to thrashing. I just wanted to ask if someone had encountered the same problem. I am sorry to bother you. Regards, Kwang Yul Seo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: What category should network filesystems like OpenAFS go under?
ext Mike Lococo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Debtags-based searches: Give AppMgr a real search facility, and ship canned-queries like graphical apps, terminal apps, etc. I like this best. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: WebKit on Maemo
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Till Harbaum / Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Am Sonntag 09 November 2008 schrieb KwangYul Seo: I compiled WebKit-r38068(2008-11-03) ran GtkLauncher on N810 with the following options: ... minutes to see the initial Google page. The same problem occurs on qemu-arm too. What's the wrong? You mean you did some port that doesn't work and now you want to ask others why it isn't working? Also, libwebkit also is in the repositories. Does that version work better for you? I wanted to try the latest version of WebKit with SquirrelFish Extreme enabled. BTW, I found the problem. After I killed some background daemons, the compiled WebKit worked fine. I think the problem was related to thrashing. I just wanted to ask if someone had encountered the same problem. I am sorry to bother you. Regards, Kwang Yul Seo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
