Re: How much are Nxxx open?
Hi, Finally, it may be nice if Nokia may donate some devices to FSO and OpenEmbedded core team, any interest/chance about that? We will start talking soon about the N900 device program. In the meantime, having members of these projects involved and with concrete ideas will help. Being active in the maemo.org Extras is one way but it might be difficult for such projects going beyond application development and actually needing some hardware to get things done with certain guarantees. An interesting approach would be to have members of these projects submitting proposals to the Maemo Summit. It's a way to have a name linked to a concrete purpose. Feel free forwarding your proposal (or remaking your own) to your preferred developers involved in these projects. Thanks! PS: about the topic of the thread, please bear with us while we are in this weeks of launch, final release and sales start. It will be much easier to analyze how open, relicensings, replacements etc once Maemo 5 and the N900 is shipped and the community has got the chance to see all the release code and how it works in a real device. -- Quim Gil open source advocate Maemo Devices @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How much are Nxxx open?
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 14:59 +0200, ext Nicola Mfb wrote: ... 'problematic' stuff is 3d and phone parts. 3d have kernel parts open but userspace is not, phone is hopefully open enough. Overall I guess it will be Again about that, are applications able to full use opengl acceleration without using closed userspace libraries? I don't think so, because the microkernel inside SGX chip is not open, as is not the protocol that the kernel driver uses to talk with the chip. AFAIK, these parts are not open because they would reveal too much of the internals of the SGX HW. -Kimmo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Developer device program
Just out of current ongoing topic being generic Question.. are there any developers devices going to be distributed just like N800 last time? - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=3869 - Silverroots ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Developer device program
ext Kaustubh Atrawalkar wrote: Just out of current ongoing topic being generic Question.. are there any developers devices going to be distributed just like N800 last time? - Hi, there is going to be an N900 device program and the terms will be announced soon. If you are a developer the best thing you can do is push your software through the maemo.org Extras process. If you are not a developer just keep whatever you were doing. :) -- Quim Gil open source advocate Maemo Devices @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Code cookbook for Maemo?
-Original Message- From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext Henrik Hedberg Sent: 01 September, 2009 14:42 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: Code cookbook for Maemo? tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: A few guys from our product management got an idea of a 'code cookbook'. A sort of wiki-like place where you could copy-paste snippets of code, tag and comment on them. Then by searching on the tags or text you could find pieces of code that do a specific thing. The idea would be to make life simpler for developers, by providing them with a cookbook from where to find usefull algorithms for things that most people run into or need to be coded in some particular way. Excellent idea! Could you, however, explain how is this different from the existing Code Snippets page in Garage: https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/ ;) Didn't know we had that :) (Looks like I'm not the only one.) That could be a good starting point. Thanks! Tero BR, Henrik -- Henrik Hedberg - http://www.henrikhedberg.net/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
new contributors: maemo5 testing, extras repository etc.
Hi everyone. I'm involved in the uzbl browser project (www.uzbl.org) and would like to port it to (make it available on) Maemo5. (In fact I'm not sure yet how much porting will be needed, as this is a normal gtk/glib/webkit-gtk program, maybe it will just work) But I'm very new to maemo and the community. I created my project @ https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=1030 I'm still having some problems with pushing my code to the online git clone (http://sprunge.us/JhDZ) (same with GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=1), but once I've succeeded that I'm wondering: 1) how do I test my code on maemo5 ? I think I saw i mail about that on this list but couldn't find it back in the archives. IIRC the conclusion was you pretty much can't .. yet 2) if you cannot test your program yet, how can you get it in `extras` ? I've read if you want to participate in the n900 dev program it's wise to get your program in extras before the n900 is launched. Furthermore, at http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository/ it is stated: 'you must have a proven track record as a maemo developer. It means that you have been programming and preparing good quality software(s) for maemo'. How can you do that if you can't test? 3) am i looking to far? maybe i don't really need to port it and i should just package it? but still the above problems remain. Thank you! Dieter ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: libesd -- sound in Fremantle
On Saturday 22 August 2009 09:37:46 Graham Cobb wrote: On Friday 21 August 2009 22:00:43 Jeremiah Foster wrote: Well, you could pull it down from debian but there looks like there will be a bit of dependency packaging as well. Take a look at its package page on debian: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libesd-alsa0 (libesd-alsa0 provides libesd). Can someone who understands the various sound systems comment on whether this would be a good idea? I have done some reading and it seems that Pulseaudio supports ESD emulation. From reading the Pulseaudio info, it would be enough to have a real libesd (apparently libesd expects to communicate with the ESD via a socket interface which pulseaudio emulates). However, there is no libesd for Maemo 5. esound is the debian package which builds libesd. Anyone feel like volunteering to build a libesd from esound? If not, I will have a go later once I have got the rest of GPE running on Fremantle. Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Developer device program
2009/9/2 Benoît HERVIER kher...@khertan.net: i ve done some test with the sdk and my apps ... but python isn't stable at all ... segfault everytimes :( Ok, some checklist that you should do before submitting a bug report, because python segfaulting every time is usually a sign of mis-configuration: * Are you running your tests on the X86 target ? The ARMEL must not be used for any application testing, only for compilation * Did you start the Xephyr environment (export DISPLAY=:2 ; af-sb-init.sh start ...) ? * Are you running your application with: run-standalone.sh python2.5 your_app If the answer to all above is yes, then please submit a bug report as suggested by Andrea, with at least the following information: * Exact steps to reproduce the problem * Exact output (error messages shown) Thanks, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: new contributors: maemo5 testing, extras repository etc.
Hi Dieter, I'm still having some problems with pushing my code to the online git clone (http://sprunge.us/JhDZ) (same with GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=1),but once I've succeeded that I'm wondering: You could give some further information about the problems you have, perhaps we could help out a bit. 1) how do I test my code on maemo5 ? I think I saw i mail about that on this list but couldn't find it back in the archives. IIRC the conclusion was you pretty much can't .. yet You can install the Scratchbox and test it there. All information about the development environment you will find here [1]. Further you could put it into extras-devel, and people internally can test it on the device and can give feedback. [2] First place for the feedback should be the tracker in garage or in the next step it is possible to think about adding it in the bugzilla [3]. Further a good place for developers is their category in maemo wiki. [4] [1] http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk/ [2] http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras [3] http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Development [4] http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products Hope this helps, cheers Daniel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: new contributors: maemo5 testing, extras repository etc.
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:01:25 +0300 daniel wilms daniel.wi...@nokia.com wrote: Hi Dieter, I'm still having some problems with pushing my code to the online git clone (http://sprunge.us/JhDZ) (same with GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=1),but once I've succeeded that I'm wondering: You could give some further information about the problems you have, perhaps we could help out a bit. That's okay. It's already fixed 1) how do I test my code on maemo5 ? I think I saw i mail about that on this list but couldn't find it back in the archives. IIRC the conclusion was you pretty much can't .. yet You can install the Scratchbox and test it there. All information about the development environment you will find here [1]. Further you could put it into extras-devel, and people internally can test it on the device and can give feedback. [2] First place for the feedback should be the tracker in garage or in the next step it is possible to think about adding it in the bugzilla [3]. Further a good place for developers is their category in maemo wiki. [4] [1] http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk/ [2] http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras [3] http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Development [4] http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products Hope this helps, cheers Daniel Thanks. I'm installing the scratchbox as we speak. http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK is an interesting page i hadn't found before. Dieter ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Code cookbook for Maemo?
Did you think it ll be possible to have api to send, list, and get snippet without all the html layout ? On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:51 AM, tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: -Original Message- From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext Henrik Hedberg Sent: 01 September, 2009 14:42 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: Code cookbook for Maemo? tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: A few guys from our product management got an idea of a 'code cookbook'. A sort of wiki-like place where you could copy-paste snippets of code, tag and comment on them. Then by searching on the tags or text you could find pieces of code that do a specific thing. The idea would be to make life simpler for developers, by providing them with a cookbook from where to find usefull algorithms for things that most people run into or need to be coded in some particular way. Excellent idea! Could you, however, explain how is this different from the existing Code Snippets page in Garage: https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/ ;) Didn't know we had that :) (Looks like I'm not the only one.) That could be a good starting point. Thanks! Tero BR, Henrik -- Henrik Hedberg - http://www.henrikhedberg.net/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Developer device program
Yes ... yes ... yes ... I ven't push any bug reports yet because i ll like to know before from when it s come before borring you with stupid unusable entry in bugzilla. When i ll got some times at home (can't do anythings from my nit) ... i ll try to found where does it come from. Best regards, 2009/9/2 Anderson Lizardo anderson.liza...@openbossa.org: 2009/9/2 Benoît HERVIER kher...@khertan.net: i ve done some test with the sdk and my apps ... but python isn't stable at all ... segfault everytimes :( Ok, some checklist that you should do before submitting a bug report, because python segfaulting every time is usually a sign of mis-configuration: * Are you running your tests on the X86 target ? The ARMEL must not be used for any application testing, only for compilation * Did you start the Xephyr environment (export DISPLAY=:2 ; af-sb-init.sh start ...) ? * Are you running your application with: run-standalone.sh python2.5 your_app If the answer to all above is yes, then please submit a bug report as suggested by Andrea, with at least the following information: * Exact steps to reproduce the problem * Exact output (error messages shown) Thanks, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Code cookbook for Maemo?
Andrea Grandi wrote: I think it's a good idea! Anyway I'll try to propose again the same idea I told to Quim during the Maemo Summit 2008: why don't we try to write a book on Maemo programming? There is already a book on maemo development. What would you like to change? http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf -Klaus -- Klaus Rotter * klaus at rotters dot de * www.rotters.de ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Commenting and doc annotation (was: Code cookbook for Maemo?)
Klaus Rotter wrote: Andrea Grandi wrote: I think it's a good idea! Anyway I'll try to propose again the same idea I told to Quim during the Maemo Summit 2008: why don't we try to write a book on Maemo programming? There is already a book on maemo development. What would you like to change? http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf cc +docmaster ;) Have a look at this: http://www.djangobook.com/en/2.0/chapter01/ That kind of collaborative comment system would be great for the Maemo docs; it needs some work but... David -- Don't worry, you'll be fine; I saw it work in a cartoon once... ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Commenting and doc annotation (was: Code cookbook for Maemo?)
Hi, 2009/9/2 David Greaves da...@dgreaves.com: Klaus Rotter wrote: Andrea Grandi wrote: I think it's a good idea! Anyway I'll try to propose again the same idea I told to Quim during the Maemo Summit 2008: why don't we try to write a book on Maemo programming? There is already a book on maemo development. What would you like to change? http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf cc +docmaster ;) Have a look at this: http://www.djangobook.com/en/2.0/chapter01/ That kind of collaborative comment system would be great for the Maemo docs; it needs some work but... simply amazing! +1 for this idea :) -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Commenting and doc annotation (was: Code cookbook for Maemo?)
On Sep 2, 2009, at 16:02, Andrea Grandi wrote: 2009/9/2 David Greaves da...@dgreaves.com: Klaus Rotter wrote: Andrea Grandi wrote: I think it's a good idea! Anyway I'll try to propose again the same idea I told to Quim during the Maemo Summit 2008: why don't we try to write a book on Maemo programming? There is already a book on maemo development. What would you like to change? http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf cc +docmaster ;) Have a look at this: http://www.djangobook.com/en/2.0/chapter01/ Kind of like AnnoCpan. http://www.annocpan.org/~TELS/Graph-Easy-0.64/lib/Graph/Easy.pm Jeremiah ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Entry widget in Fremantle toolbar
GPE Contacts has an entry widget in the toolbar so people can enter searches directly. This works fine on earlier versions of Maemo but in Fremantle I can't click in the widget or enter text into it. Any ideas what is wrong? Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Entry widget in Fremantle toolbar
GPE Contacts has an entry widget in the toolbar so people can enter searches directly. This works fine on earlier versions of Maemo but in Fremantle I can't click in the widget or enter text into it. Any ideas what is wrong? The Home applets don't support text input. http://wiki.maemo.org/QA_Porting_to_Fremantle#Limitation_of_Home_Area_a pplets Cheers, Simon -Original Message- From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of Graham Cobb Sent: 02 September 2009 16:06 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Entry widget in Fremantle toolbar GPE Contacts has an entry widget in the toolbar so people can enter searches directly. This works fine on earlier versions of Maemo but in Fremantle I can't click in the widget or enter text into it. Any ideas what is wrong? Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Entry widget in Fremantle toolbar
in the toolbar Ah sorry, misread, ignore me :) Simon -Original Message- From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of Graham Cobb Sent: 02 September 2009 16:06 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Entry widget in Fremantle toolbar GPE Contacts has an entry widget in the toolbar so people can enter searches directly. This works fine on earlier versions of Maemo but in Fremantle I can't click in the widget or enter text into it. Any ideas what is wrong? Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Need clutter-gtk
Hi, I'm trying to use clutter-gtk 0.8.2 from extras-devel, but it segfaults as soon as I create an instance of the ClutterEmbed widget (clutter_x11_get_stage_visual returns NULL and then this pointer is accessed without checking). In the SDK this package is missing. Is there a working version in some repository? If not, which version of clutter-gtk should I compile? TIA, Alberto -- http://www.mardy.it - geek in un lingua international! ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
