Re: Attn map application developers: common cache for maps
Hi, Alberto: Have you ever considered using two types of caches? Memory cache(maybe shared memory) and persistent cache(sqlite?). Best regards, Asongala Hi all, I'd like to propose a standard location to store cached map tiles (from openstreetmaps, google, or whichever), so to avoid re-downloading the same tiles when a user is using several applications which store their data in different directories. I'm working on maemo-mapper at the moment, and I know there are other applications (eCoach for instance) that are using map data. We could save user's bandwidth, time and flash space if we put the map tiles in the same place. I would suggest using ~/MyDocs/.maps/provider/type/zoom/tile x/tile y.png Where provider can be google.com, openstreetmap.org or others, and type is street, satellite, hybrid, etc. Does anyone have a better proposal? Any map application developers here, interested in sharing maps with maemo-mapper? Ciao, Alberto -- http://www.mardy.it - geek in un lingua international! ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Attn map application developers: common cache for maps
Hi: Have you ever considered using two types of caches? Memory cache(maybe shared memory) and persistent cache(sqlite?). Best regards, Asongala -- http://code.google.com/p/xinfomap/ http://code.google.com/p/xinfoqr/ Hi all, I'd like to propose a standard location to store cached map tiles (from openstreetmaps, google, or whichever), so to avoid re-downloading the same tiles when a user is using several applications which store their data in different directories. I'm working on maemo-mapper at the moment, and I know there are other applications (eCoach for instance) that are using map data. We could save user's bandwidth, time and flash space if we put the map tiles in the same place. I would suggest using ~/MyDocs/.maps/provider/type/zoom/tile x/tile y.png Where provider can be google.com, openstreetmap.org or others, and type is street, satellite, hybrid, etc. Does anyone have a better proposal? Any map application developers here, interested in sharing maps with maemo-mapper? Ciao, Alberto -- http://www.mardy.it - geek in un lingua international! ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Debugging applet causing hildon-home crash
On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 02:03 +0100, ext Graham Cobb wrote: On Sunday 10 January 2010 19:50:20 Graham Cobb wrote: Now to try to work out why my widget cannot receive any click events but other widgets can! Well, it turns out it is because the buttons I want to click on in my home page applet are within a GtkScrolledWindow. I can receive the clicks if I get rid of the scrolled window (but, not everything fits). Does anyone know This could be fixed in the latest (git master) hildon-desktop. I noticed that the mouse event forwarding didn't cope well with deep widget hierarchies. if it would work if I used a HildonPannableArea (I won't get a chance to try it until next weekend)? If you could e-mail me (or attach to a bug) your applet, I can test if it works in the future. -Kimmo Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Unified map tile storage
So what's the current status of the optification process? Actually I'm calling maemo-optify from within debian/rules; has it been deprecated in favour of debian/optify? If yes, should I still make my package Build-Depends from maemo-optify or is it unnecessary now? -- Luca Donaggio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to access geotag information?
Hi, El vie, 08-01-2010 a las 20:45 +0100, ext Till Harbaum / Lists escribió: Hi, Am Freitag 08 Januar 2010 schrieb Ivan Frade: see it when i arrive there). This will be supported in tracker 0.7 (ready to play with on desktop), but not in 0.6/fremantle. Using tracker 0.6 limited to images is a start. Do you have example code somewhere? I have never worked with tracker before. We have some (basic) documentation here: http://live.gnome.org/Tracker/Documentation/RDF-Query Tracker is a daemon visible in DBus. In python, connect to the daemon directly (an example in my own pet-project [1]). In C, use libtracker-client (some examples in MAFW's tracker backend). There should be some libtracker-client gtk-doc documentation, but it looks like library.gnome.org only contains the last unstable version (0.7). This is useless for you, the API in 0.7 is _completely_ different from 0.6 API. Don't get confused with that. The properties you can use in your queries are defined here: http://git.gnome.org/browse/tracker/tree/data/services?h=tracker-0.6 You can also monitor dbus while using the image-viewer to see some queries flying. Regards, Ivan [1] https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=mussorgsky;a=blob;f=src/tracker_backend.py;h=e956f38668066423fa9538a1cb69a4082f776fa8;hb=9d71d07b572bdf50114484b28a0e188d742fcdfc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Autobuilder is broken again
Hi guys, Hi, Do you happen to know who switched off armel builds and why? We didn't touch it at all. Was there a lock file left behind or something? As I can see from yesterday evening autobuilder performs only i386 builds. If i386 packages are uploaded to the extras-devel it would lead to even more confusion among developers, because armel versions are not built, but reuploading would not be possible, because of i386 versions in the repo. I'd propose to switch autobuilder off while you do your work instead of breaking it so often. All work is being done on the new servers, not touching the old ones. And the build machine itself is left alone anyway. -- BR, Ed - Niels ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: oFono
ma, 2010-01-11 kello 08:38 +0100, Denis-Courmont Remi (Nokia-D/Helsinki) kirjoitti: On Saturday 09 January 2010 08:40:29 ext Qole, you wrote: So wait, you're saying we now have a fully open source telephony stack on the N900 that works to make phone calls? Well not exactly. But I'd say not far from it either. First, oFono is signaling middleware; it does not, and never will include its own user interface. The call UI in Maemo5 uses Telepathy, which is open. So all we need is a Telepathy connection manager that uses oFono's D-Bus API. Second, certain things are still to be implemented, such as GPRS (working on it). I'm looking forward to the patches. ;) Last, some stuff might not be do-able, due to interference with the existing N900 cellular stack. SMS reception is one known case (and SMS sending fails too as a side effect). Yeah, SMS and CBS reception are a bit tricky. There can only be a single recipient active at a time on the application processor side. Hence, bootstrapping in the SMS and CBS drivers will fail on the N900 if the default telephony stack is running. You can of course disable the default SMS handler, but then SMSs will no longer be received on the UI, as we're missing that oFono connection manager to Telepathy. Also, the default stack on N900 has some further features related to SMS that are currently missing from oFono. Those features will eventually be added there, too. All and all, oFono should be considered alpha level on Maemo5 at this point. Audio path has not been investigated, but likely would fail too. Right, there is a piece missing in isimodem that sets up the audio path. Currently it's not a big deal, as the default stack will shadow the signaling initiated by oFono and do the Right Thing. Cheers, Aki ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: NFS on N900
Hi Any idea why it is not possible to mount an NFS share on an N900? I get: mount: mounting host:/home/jeffbarish on /mnt/host failed: Input/output error you could try to install strace and then run strace mount to see what is going wrong. Daniel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Autobuilder is broken again
I don't know what happened, but I've seen about 15 builds using only i386 architecture. Now it's OK again, so I think that change was reverted back. Is it possible that you were referring to python applications such as gonvert, quicknote and dialcentral? They are using Architecture: all so they are built only once using the i386 builder. -- Mikko Vartiainen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
is 44-1 officially going to be available as an image ?
As today's update bricked my Summit N900, which was sporting the oldish 41-10 firmware (don't ask), I'm wondering if I should wait for 44-1 to appear on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php (will it appear at all?), or just flash stock 42-11 and update ? The tablets-dev site is slightly overloaded ATM so there is still some time to ponder on this :) Regards, Attila ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: is 44-1 officially going to be available as an image ?
Hi, ext Attila Csipa wrote: I'm wondering if I should wait for 44-1 to appear on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php (will it appear at all?), or just flash stock 42-11 and update? just flash with 42-11 and then update. Cheers Daniel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: gtk clutter tearing
Hi, ext Michael Cronenworth wrote: Eero Tamminen on 12/30/2009 04:09 AM wrote: Incorrect. I guess there's some illegal black magic happening in-between compiz and apps regardless of UI toolkit libraries. Apps such as dasher that present rectangles and text at fast speeds do not present any tearing when I have the *compositor* set to vsync. Firefox with the SmoothWheel extension for liquid smooth scrolling is tear free until I turn vsync off on the *compositor*. If the related toolkit updates gets into same boxed XDamage event going to the compositor and compositor blocks X updates to the composite buffer while compositing it to screen, you don't get tearing. In practice this may be enough, especially on faster machines, but I think it's more due to fortunate co-incidences than something really being guaranteed by the (current Gtk) toolkit. My own apps are tear free until I turn off.. you get the point, I hope. Try for example pannable Gtk treeview with your own cell renderer and add some suitable wait into that renderer to make sure that your renderers' window update gets timewise separated from rest of the treeview update and see whether you get tearing. Of course, I could get into a technical acronym-fest with you, but that wouldn't be very helpful as real world examples would. If application updates to it's composite buffer aren't in sync with the compositor display updates, there's obviously a possibility for tearing. I don't think you understand how X works. :) Hm. Do you? :-) - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: gtk clutter tearing
Kimmo Hämäläinen wrote: Recent hildon-desktop versions disable compositing automatically for fullscreen windows, unless you use HildonStackableWindow (which requires the sliding animation). I wonder what happens to translucent information messages (charger attached/removed, ...) in fullscreen SDL applications, are these not shown when compositing is off or are they done in different way and still shown? Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Bugzilla Data loss [was: Re: maemo.org Bugzilla migrating to new server]
[Updated message] Hi, there has been a data loss in maemo.org Bugzilla that has affected any changes/additions/etc between 08/Jan/2010 04:00UTC - 10/Jan/2010 04:00UTC. The reason has been identified. However as of course changes have taken place in the meantime it's unclear how complex restoring would be - Probably unlikely to happen. I have finished restoring what has been in my bugmail inbox, however everybody who has committed changes (e.g. added reports, comments etc) in Bugzilla in the mentioned time period is highly encouraged to recheck by comparing her/his bugmail received during that time period to the state of reports in Bugzilla, and refile if needed. Also see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7797 . Again, we're very sorry for the inconvenience caused here. andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
hardware keyboard open event
Hi, In an application I'm working on, I'd like to show the search tool bar if the user opens the hardware keyboard. Is there a way to detect this? I've tried searching but have had no success; perhaps I'm using the wrong keywords. Thanks, Neal ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: hardware keyboard open event
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Neal H. Walfield wrote: In an application I'm working on, I'd like to show the search tool bar if the user opens the hardware keyboard. Is there a way to detect this? I've tried searching but have had no success; perhaps I'm using the wrong keywords. Run the command dbus-monitor --system And open the keyboard while watching the output. -- Matan. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: gtk clutter tearing
Hi, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Recent hildon-desktop versions disable compositing automatically for fullscreen windows, unless you use HildonStackableWindow (which requires the sliding animation). I wonder what happens to translucent information messages (charger attached/removed, ...) in fullscreen SDL applications, are these not shown when compositing is off or are they done in different way and still shown? hildon-desktop automatically switches to composited mode when needed. (Making this transition without a temporary user visible visual glitch, has taken quite a bit of effort, AFAIK including fixes to upstream X server too.) - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
settings (control-panel) applet in python
Hello, Is it possible to write a settings applet (one that shows in control panel) in python? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Attn map application developers: common cache for maps
Hi, you want to store hundreds of megabytes of map data in ram ... cool ... And what's the advantage of a database if you want to store files? Till Am Montag 11 Januar 2010 schrieb steven gu: Hi: Have you ever considered using two types of caches? Memory cache(maybe shared memory) and persistent cache(sqlite?). Best regards, Asongala -- http://code.google.com/p/xinfomap/ http://code.google.com/p/xinfoqr/ Hi all, I'd like to propose a standard location to store cached map tiles (from openstreetmaps, google, or whichever), so to avoid re-downloading the same tiles when a user is using several applications which store their data in different directories. I'm working on maemo-mapper at the moment, and I know there are other applications (eCoach for instance) that are using map data. We could save user's bandwidth, time and flash space if we put the map tiles in the same place. I would suggest using ~/MyDocs/.maps/provider/type/zoom/tile x/tile y.png Where provider can be google.com, openstreetmap.org or others, and type is street, satellite, hybrid, etc. Does anyone have a better proposal? Any map application developers here, interested in sharing maps with maemo-mapper? Ciao, Alberto -- http://www.mardy.it - geek in un lingua international! ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
Hello all I've uploaded an alpha version of my shutter home widget (IR shutter for Nikon DSLR) to extras-devel. Functionaly, it works. But now I have a small problem in my installer that I'm unable to resolve: After running the deb, the widget gets installed. It can then be added to the desktop by the user through the normal Desktop Config Add Widget process. It shows up in the list and is selectable. But then it does not show up on the desktop! However, once the device is rebooted, the added widget is cleary visible and works well. Now I really don't want to forece my users to reboot just because of a widget. Therefore my question: what am I missing? Any special postinstall script to run? Or is it a problem of my .desktop file? [Desktop Entry] Name=shutter Comment=Issues a single IR command using LIRC Type=python X-Path=shutter.py X-Multiple=true Thanks for any help -Tom ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Promotion to extras
Hello, some weeks ago I promoted to extras. I could not find any changes. I have Karma 11 in extras testing: Why is there not promotion link now? Last time it was. http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/vncviewer/0.6.4-fremantle2/ thanks a lot Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
User-specific files for maemo packages
hi there; I wonder how can I put some user-specific files on the filesystem that can't get removed when my application package is uninstalled. for normal Linux systems, I can fimd user-settings/specific files stored inside hidden folders inside the /home/user_name folder ( for example: firefox's browser-cache, installed addons and history files are all located inside a hidden folder called /home/user/.mozilla ) I tried to do so for my maemo application packafe, So, I created a hidden folder .app_name/ and put it inside the folders my_package_folder/home/user/ , I created the package out of the folder and everything is alright when i deploy my package to the phone. but the problem id : when I uninstall the package, the hidden folder i created inside /home/user/ gets deleted too, as the apt keeps track of all extracted files. what can I do to fix that? thanks in advance ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
(Resent with correct time/date) Hello all I've uploaded an alpha version of my shutter home widget (IR shutter for Nikon DSLR) to extras-devel. Functionaly, it works. But now I have a small problem in my installer that I'm unable to resolve: After running the deb, the widget gets installed. It can then be added to the desktop by the user through the normal Desktop Config Add Widget process. It shows up in the list and is selectable. But then it does not show up on the desktop! However, once the device is rebooted, the added widget is cleary visible and works well. Now I really don't want to forece my users to reboot just because of a widget. Therefore my question: what am I missing? Any special postinstall script to run? Or is it a problem of my .desktop file? [Desktop Entry] Name=shutter Comment=Issues a single IR command using LIRC Type=python X-Path=shutter.py X-Multiple=true Thanks for any help -Tom ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: settings (control-panel) applet in python
Yes you can. For Mer I did experimenting with different existing approaches and then some experimenting beyond it and tried to collect the best practices to various bugs (modality, double creation, etc). The C-code should require minimal changes to jump-start your python. http://gitorious.org/epage-mer/mer-cpa-about/trees/master Ed Page ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon-Desktop: added Widget not shown
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Thomas Waelti twae...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all I've uploaded an alpha version of my shutter home widget (IR shutter for Nikon DSLR) to extras-devel. Functionaly, it works. But now I have a small problem in my installer that I'm unable to resolve: After running the deb, the widget gets installed. It can then be added to the desktop by the user through the normal Desktop Config Add Widget process. It shows up in the list and is selectable. But then it does not show up on the desktop! However, once the device is rebooted, the added widget is cleary visible and works well. Now I really don't want to forece my users to reboot just because of a widget. Therefore my question: what am I missing? Any special postinstall script to run? Your applet might be crashing for some reason on first load. Can you test it on Scratchbox/X86 (using Xephyr) and tell us if you are able to reproduce the problem there? If yes, you might try to debug the crash by looking at the messages printed by hildon-desktop. Or is it a problem of my .desktop file? [Desktop Entry] Name=shutter Comment=Issues a single IR command using LIRC Type=python X-Path=shutter.py X-Multiple=true Except for this X-Multiple entry (which I don't know what is) I don't see a problem with it. Regards, -- Anderson Lizardo OpenBossa Labs - INdT Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Promotion to extras
Hi, On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM, ds d...@physik.de wrote: Hello, some weeks ago I promoted to extras. I could not find any changes. I have Karma 11 in extras testing: Why is there not promotion link now? The packages have to pass 10 days of quarantine[1] in testing before the promotion link appears. [1] - http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing Best regards, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org Last time it was. http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/vncviewer/0.6.4-fremantle2/ thanks a lot Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
GtkTreeView behaviour
Hi everybody! I'm porting my application (FeedCircuit) to N900 and faced strange problem. I have no real device so I'm using scratchbox. According to guidelines (like this http://sw.nokia.com/id/a3187f95-ad88-4233-b0ef-a182da3ec1c7/Hildon_2_2_Widget_UI_Specification_v1_0_en.pdf) when GtkTreeView is put into PannableArea it becomes finger friendly. When it is created with hildon_gtk_tree_view_new(HILDON_UI_MODE_NORMAL) it should emit row-activated signal after a single tap on it. In edit mode hildon_gtk_tree_view_new(HILDON_UI_MODE_EDIT) tap must select/deselect one or multiple records. In my case for some reason in normal mode I need two taps to get row-activated signal: one tap to select appropriate item and another one to activate it. In edit mode with multiple selection enabled I need to use Ctrl to select multiple items which also seems wrong. What I'm doing wrong? Best, George ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: hardware keyboard open event
Hi Neal, The physical keyboard opening/closing changes the GConf key /system/osso/af/slide-open. All you need to do is to listen to this key and call your code. -- Joaquim Rocha Neal H. Walfield wrote: Hi, In an application I'm working on, I'd like to show the search tool bar if the user opens the hardware keyboard. Is there a way to detect this? I've tried searching but have had no success; perhaps I'm using the wrong keywords. Thanks, Neal ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Promotion to extras
2010/1/11 Valerio Valerio vdv...@gmail.com: Hi, On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM, ds d...@physik.de wrote: Hello, some weeks ago I promoted to extras. I could not find any changes. I have Karma 11 in extras testing: Why is there not promotion link now? The packages have to pass 10 days of quarantine[1] in testing before the promotion link appears. According to this: http://maemo.org/packages/view/vncviewer/ latest version of packages was not even promoted to testing. -- BR, Ed ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Promotion to extras
Am Montag, den 11.01.2010, 23:02 +0200 schrieb Ed Bartosh: 2010/1/11 Valerio Valerio vdv...@gmail.com: Hi, On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM, ds d...@physik.de wrote: Hello, some weeks ago I promoted to extras. I could not find any changes. I have Karma 11 in extras testing: Why is there not promotion link now? The packages have to pass 10 days of quarantine[1] in testing before the promotion link appears. According to this: http://maemo.org/packages/view/vncviewer/ latest version of packages was not even promoted to testing. I know. I first want the actual version final testet. Is this not possible?? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: is 44-1 officially going to be available as an image ?
Any idea why my n900 doesn't see the update? Have you accidentally removed SSU metapackage (mp-fremantle-generic-pr)? -- Mikko Vartiainen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Query about audio management inside Maemo
Hi, How maemo handle below two scenario? 1, voice call comes in while music is played 2, BT device attached while music is played My guessing is Voice call use libplayback informs its coming, music player get a notification from OHM daemon to pause, right? The 2nd scenario, I can't guess out the flow, but the result should be music flow to BT automatically. Could someone explain a more detailed flow for the 2 scenarios above? Thanks a lot! And, is libplayback and the maemo component for Pulseaudio opensource? Thanks again! Best Regards, Zheng, Huan(ZBT) OTC/SSD/SSG Intel Asia-Pacific Research Developement Ltd Tel: 021-6116 6435 Inet: 8821 6435 Cub: 3W035 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
