Re: QDesktopServices::openUrl opens always 2 web pages
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Sascha Mäkelä sascha.mak...@gmail.com wrote:
I uses (in Qt 4.5) two different methods to open outside URL links:
1. A button in the Menu bar, that when clicked does:
Code:
void MainWindow::on_actionWebLink_triggered()
{
QDesktopServices::openUrl(QUrl(http://www.weblink.com;));
}
2. QTextBrowser which has opneExternalLinks set as true
Both of the method give the same result: It opens the MicroB Web links
page and the actual selected link. If these pages are not closed and
one or two more URL links are opened, the web pages start to crash.
Am I doing something wrong? Is this a known issue? Has anyone anyone
else noticed this?
Bug 7726 may be of interest.
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7726
Cheers!
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Autobuilder = ww.maemo.org
Hello! Hmm, I know tzhis is a hated question, but is the autobuilder for fremantle alive? At http://maemo.org/packages/repository/builds/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/all/ the latest build is from ~22:00 UTC yesterday. I have uploaded a number of packages around 24:00 UTC+1 but non of them appeared. I know that in rare circumstances there are long build that make the Autobuilder *appear* to hang, so I would like emphasize on another aspect (while still beeing interested on the state :-)). For me the natural landing package as a developer is http://maemo.org/development/. That worked good in the past but for me it seems some (new) important features are not visible available on this page, namely the everything around building, uploading and promoting packages. Examples: * http://maemo.org/packages/ does not seem to be linked on the landing pge, while it is very important for my day to day work as a developer. * I would expect some helthness state about the various autobuilders here. It would be enough to have some green/red signal here. Other infrastructure aspect of course should/could be placed here, too. * I would expect some process image somewhere in the upload image, stating various aspects of infrastructure and packages evloving from extras-devel to extras.The text is here but sometime an image is better. Giving state a clear name that reappears under .../packages in texts, buttons of course would be a winner... * I just promoted a package to extras-testing (the button was only called promote, extras-testing was not mentioned) and I expect QA to check for the existance of a proper packgae for maemo5 on downloads including a screenshot. While scanning the documentation multiple times I have not yet found out how I create such entry for maemo5 (I know how it works for =OS2008) and I assume that somewhere in the process it wass created automatically (after promotion to testing?). I can file a bug for every aspect,if some responsible person just says (make a bug) but I think some discusssion may be worthwhile, too. If this was already discussed elsewhere and there already exists a grand plan/bugs, just tell me. -- Gruß... Tim ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: QDesktopServices::openUrl opens always 2 web pages
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:06, Mustali Dalal archeb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Sascha Mäkelä sascha.mak...@gmail.com
wrote:
I uses (in Qt 4.5) two different methods to open outside URL links:
1. A button in the Menu bar, that when clicked does:
Code:
void MainWindow::on_actionWebLink_triggered()
{
QDesktopServices::openUrl(QUrl(http://www.weblink.com;));
}
2. QTextBrowser which has opneExternalLinks set as true
Both of the method give the same result: It opens the MicroB Web links
page and the actual selected link. If these pages are not closed and
one or two more URL links are opened, the web pages start to crash.
Am I doing something wrong? Is this a known issue? Has anyone anyone
else noticed this?
Bug 7726 may be of interest.
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7726
Cheers!
Sascha
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Thanks! Somehow I missed that when searching Bugzilla. :)
Is the fix available already and will it work with 4.5?
Cheers!
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Aw: Autobuilder = ww.maemo.org
Hello! Hmm, I know tzhis is a hated question, but is the autobuilder for fremantle alive? it is, seconds after sending the mail, the first OKs arrived. fine! This however may make my suggestion even more valid, making me not writring silly i do not have trust in autobuilder that fast, making admina smoking more cigarettes than before. Btw, besides hick ups the builder appears much faster now. That is great! -- Gruß... Tim___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Aw: Autobuilder = ww.maemo.org
Hello! Hi, Hmm, I know tzhis is a hated question, but is the autobuilder for fremantle alive? it is, seconds after sending the mail, the first OKs arrived. fine! Pure coincidence, I didn't get to -developers list in my mailbox yet :) This however may make my suggestion even more valid, making me not writring silly i do not have trust in autobuilder that fast, making admina smoking more cigarettes than before. ? If you subscribe to the extras-cauldron-builds list, you could see that there was a package severely stuck. Ed promised to create a fix for buildme, so broken packages can't block the queue anymore. Btw, besides hick ups the builder appears much faster now. That is great! -- GruÃ... Tim -- Niels Breet maemo.org webmaster ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Autobuilder = ww.maemo.org
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 08:18, Tim Teulings r...@edge.ping.de wrote: For me the natural landing package as a developer is http://maemo.org/development/. That worked good in the past but for me it seems some (new) important features are not visible available on this page, namely the everything around building, uploading and promoting packages. Examples: * http://maemo.org/packages/ does not seem to be linked on the landing pge, while it is very important for my day to day work as a developer. * I would expect some helthness state about the various autobuilders here. It would be enough to have some green/red signal here. Other infrastructure aspect of course should/could be placed here, too. Indeed; if we're not going to get manual emails to maemo-developers/-announce every time there's an upgrade/downtime/problem/move, having some automated monitoring would be good. I expect QA to check for the existance of a proper packgae for maemo5 on downloads including a screenshot. While scanning the documentation multiple times I have not yet found out how I create such entry [...] Expectation incorrect. maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ gets populated from Extras directly. The only thing you need to do once you decide to promote to Extras proper is find your entry and add a screenshot (entries without screenshots won't appear on the front page). HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to destroy your community
I thought I would post a snippet from the Endgadget review that represents the view of the users of Nokia's products. This is something that Nokia bears in mind, even if we at maemo.org don't always, we tend to be self-selecting geeks. After having dug in, we're seeing glimmers of brilliance here that give us hope. Maemo 5 isn't the polished, consumer-friendly, all-encompassing solution that Palm, Google, and Apple are all selling today, but it's fairly evident that Nokia has built itself a stable, extensible platform that can reach those levels with a little tender loving care. The company's commitment to open source and the Maemo development community is commendable -- it's something that should absolutely continue -- but going forward, we'd love to see what kinds of magical things could happen if it took development to 100 percent feature completion internally with a full round of usability testing before handing it off to the eager geeks in the field. The mere thought sends shivers down our spine. The important point here is that users want _less_ developer control and _more_ Nokia control. Any smart company listens to their users and Nokia is no exception. Regards, Jeremiah ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK
On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:35 AM, Graham Cobb wrote: On Wednesday 20 January 2010 21:50:02 Jeremiah Foster wrote: I disagree. Debian has very high quality packages and software. I don't think we are disagreeing. I am saying Debian is geared to stability and quality. I am just making the point that it achieves that by forcing things to take a long time to proceed through the QA process and severely restricting the number of packages that are accepted (I know Debian has **lots** of packages but nothing like the number of apps the iPhone has and new packages are not being added at anything like the rate any commercial AppStore accepts them -- those are the goals for us). Not sure about that, debian has maybe 27,000 packages in the stable distro, plus several thousand more in testing. Plus they manage tens of thousands more in volatile, non-free, and unstable. Not to mention backports or Ubuntu, or Mepis, etc. So I think a fairly reasonable estimate is in the neighborhood of 100,000 packages for debian and debian-like systems. Note that these packages are of diverse programming languages (iPhone apps are mostly Objective C), and that the debian packages do different things. Apple has dozens of apps that do the same thing, pdf readers, noise makers, girls-in-bikinis apps, etc. Apple is no where near as diverse and large as they market themselves to be. Besides, lots of the apps on the iPhone are built-in on the N900; skype anyone? Comparing the two is really Apples and oranges, though I understand your point; Maemo has fewer commercial apps than the iPhone and Android. Actually not true. Debian has had security for testing for about four and a half years. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/09/msg6.html Security yes. Support no. What support is missing? Debian has always relied on the community to support the OS. I think you are referring to unstable here. I run testing everywhere, even production web servers, and I have few problems. Especially compared to the Ubuntu machines I admin, or for that matter, fedora. No, I meant testing. I also use testing. But people like you, me and the members of this mailing list are not the target audience for Maemo. For example, kde is currently severely broken in testing -- it has been for many months and will continue to be for some time yet. Okay, I concede this point. I think debian should server as a model for maemo, after all, Nokia based its OS on debian. The biggest problem is Nokia's penchant for separating their releases from the community. There really should be greater cooperation between the community and Nokia, it is pretty much as simple as that. For software and tools I agree. But processes will be very different. Maemo is not aiming for a release every 18 months, Debian is. The official release time period is 24 months. That fundamental difference stops the processes being at all similar. By all means see what we can learn from Debian (and Ubuntu and Fedora and ...) but we have to acknowledge that different goals will require different processes. True enough, but greater co-operation should help facilitate whatever release goals we have. Jeremiah ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to destroy your community
Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com writes: engadget: ...company's commitment to open source and the Maemo development community is commendable -- it's something that should absolutely continue -- but going forward, we'd love to see what kinds of magical things could happen if it took development to 100 percent feature completion internally with a full round of usability testing before handing it off to the eager geeks in the field. The mere thought sends shivers down our spine. This ain't a rant at Nokia, but I don't think they have any commitment to open source. It's a huge corporate entity, and I've seen written somewhere something along the lines: the end users don't care about the system, they care about features. That's the corporate attitude any company has, IMO, and I think Nokia's management is of the same view. I.e. the end user doesn't care if the device runs on GNU/Linux, Symbian etc., they just want features and useability. And for the 99.99% of users I think this actually holds. Now, not for us, i.e. GNU/Linux is the only reason I bought this device, not for love of Nokia, or for some fantastic soft I thought they'd have on the phone, but rather because of the freedom, that you can really do almost anything you want as the phone is almost fully free... Anyhow, I think the reason that Nokia is continuing to develop the Maemo platform is that they must be thinking that the FLOSS community will help them make the system greater, thereby bringing in some amazing app/useability development, and then this'll reward them for investing into Maemo. I don't know what business logic that's based on, but these are guys in suits and ties, eh..., they usually make bandwagon decisions, what do you expect :O) Now in light of this, I think Jeff's original point holds very much true. I mean, throughout the past weeks I've been thinking: WTF, how can these amateurs maintaining the repositories (meaning Nokia Maemo people) get by with this. Now leaving aside the fact whether maemo.org is Nokia or not, it don't matter IMO. The conclusion to me is that Maemo still must be a fringe platform within Nokia to the extent that some corporate smartass is thinking, OK let's let these GNU/Linux geeks play in their little scratchbox, maybe something is gonna come out of it, but let's not devote lumps of corporate resources to this. And that's why this totally ridiculous state of the matters persists, i.e. servers down etc. Man, in fact, all of the Nokia defenders that have been getting on Jeff's case these past days, because of some tone of his letter or something (laugh out loud), have gently ignored the point, that he was the only guy who actually did something about it ever before starting this thread, i.e. starting his mirror of the repositories, which have enabled quite some developpers to actually use the device these past days. So I support his point strongly and am just surprised Nokia ain't reactin', maybe not to his criticism, but state of the matters, unless Maemo really is some fringe one or two-guys sideshow at Nokia. -- C уважением / 宜しく御願い致します / Best regards / S pozdravem / Z poważaniem / Mit freundlichen Grüßen 白い熊 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: QDesktopServices::openUrl opens always 2 web pages
Hi Sascha, Am 21.01.2010 um 09:22 schrieb Sascha Mäkelä: [ Problem with QDesktopServices::openUrl ] Bug 7726 may be of interest. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7726 Thanks! Somehow I missed that when searching Bugzilla. :) Is the fix available already and will it work with 4.5? Just for completeness: The Qt 4.6 beta by Nokia does not seem to have this problem. Don't know it that is an option for you though. Cheers, Stephan ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Aw: Autobuilder = ww.maemo.org
Hallo! This however may make my suggestion even more valid, making me not writring silly i do not have trust in autobuilder that fast, making admina smoking more cigarettes than before. ? I don't want to bother the admin of the system by Is it still alive mails everytime autobuilder does not react in 10 minutes. You should spend your time to more important task than aswering my (and others) questions about the state of the system. If you subscribe to the extras-cauldron-builds list, you could see that there was a package severely stuck. I would see this as a short time workaround, but would propose a live and short time history state overview solutions as mid- to longterm solutions. Nevetheless the workaround should get a prominent state in the developer landing page (I now remember that you might haven given this advice multiple times before?). FAQ? Ed promised to create a fix for buildme, so broken packages can't block the queue anymore. OK. -- Gruß... Tim ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to destroy your community
Am Mittwoch, den 20.01.2010, 19:23 -0300 schrieb Jeff Moe: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team Cool, thanks. How does Tero Kojo, for example, fit into this picture? I (and apparently others) have a hard time figuring out what the hierarchy is here. Like the most excellent Quim Gil isn't there either. A nice chart with Ari Jaaski at the top would be most instructive. I disagree with the last sentence: I'm part of the maemo.org team but definitely not part of Nokia's Maemo Devices division (The maemo.org team and many people of Maemo Devices division are both part of the maemo.org community though). Such a chart would be misleading as I'm not integrated into Nokia's internal organization. andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK
On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:35 AM, Graham Cobb wrote: On Wednesday 20 January 2010 21:50:02 Jeremiah Foster wrote: I disagree. Debian has very high quality packages and software. I don't think we are disagreeing. I am saying Debian is geared to stability and quality. I am just making the point that it achieves that by forcing things to take a long time to proceed through the QA process and severely restricting the number of packages that are accepted (I know Debian has **lots** of packages but nothing like the number of apps the iPhone has and new packages are not being added at anything like the rate any commercial AppStore accepts them -- those are the goals for us). Not sure about that, debian has maybe 27,000 packages in the stable distro, plus several thousand more in testing. Plus they manage tens of thousands more in volatile, non-free, and unstable. Not to mention backports or Ubuntu, or Mepis, etc. So I think a fairly reasonable estimate is in the neighborhood of 100,000 packages for debian and debian-like systems. Note that these packages are of diverse programming languages (iPhone apps are mostly Objective C), and that the debian packages do different things. Apple has dozens of apps that do the same thing, pdf readers, noise makers, girls-in-bikinis apps, etc. Apple is no where near as diverse and large as they market themselves to be. Besides, lots of the apps on the iPhone are built-in on the N900; skype anyone? Comparing the two is really Apples and oranges, though I understand your point; Maemo has fewer commercial apps than the iPhone and Android. Actually not true. Debian has had security for testing for about four and a half years. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/09/msg6.html Security yes. Support no. What support is missing? Debian has always relied on the community to support the OS. I think you are referring to unstable here. I run testing everywhere, even production web servers, and I have few problems. Especially compared to the Ubuntu machines I admin, or for that matter, fedora. No, I meant testing. I also use testing. But people like you, me and the members of this mailing list are not the target audience for Maemo. For example, kde is currently severely broken in testing -- it has been for many months and will continue to be for some time yet. Okay, I concede this point, you're right. I think debian should server as a model for maemo, after all, Nokia based its OS on debian. The biggest problem is Nokia's penchant for separating their releases from the community. There really should be greater cooperation between the community and Nokia, it is pretty much as simple as that. For software and tools I agree. But processes will be very different. Maemo is not aiming for a release every 18 months, Debian is. The official release time period is 24 months. That fundamental difference stops the processes being at all similar. By all means see what we can learn from Debian (and Ubuntu and Fedora and ...) but we have to acknowledge that different goals will require different processes. True enough, but greater co-operation should help facilitate whatever release goals we have. Jeremiah ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Aw: Autobuilder = ww.maemo.org
On Thursday 21 January 2010 10:12:46 Tim Teulings wrote: If you subscribe to the extras-cauldron-builds list, you could see that there was a package severely stuck. I would see this as a short time workaround, but would propose a live and short time history state overview solutions as mid- to longterm solutions. Nevetheless the workaround should get a prominent state in the developer landing page (I now remember that you might haven given this advice multiple times before?). FAQ? I do subscribe to the list but it isn't really a solution -- it generates quite a lot of mail when things are working and LOTS when they are broken like last night! How about a way to see the last three (say) messages to that list on the web site? That would then be a good place to check when someone suspects that there may be a problem. Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Missing hildon icon?
Previous versions of Maemo had gtk_image_new_from_icon_name(qgn_inpu_common_vkb, GTK_ICON_SIZE_BUTTON); It is now missing, at least I could not find. Is there a prefered way to solve this issue, as it might be not a good idea to install it from my package, as other developer might miss the same icon, and we get conflicts Thanks Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: How to destroy your community
-Original Message- From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers- boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of Vollmer Marius (Nokia-D/Helsinki) Sent: 21 January, 2010 09:03 To: ext Dave Neary Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: How to destroy your community ext Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org writes: I guess that the problem is that you demand rather than request. Dave, for effs sake, Joe is not trying to get something for him and he is not getting angry because he isn't getting it. Joe is pointing out opportunities for Maemo's improvement and he is getting irritated because we are not honest with ourselves and try to dismiss that there are problems to begin with[1]. There are problems sure, that bit is apparent. Do you really think any party (community, admins, ISP, me) is right now happy at how the ISP has handled the case? No. If anyone has a blade rack with roughly fifteen blades, a few teras of netapp and fast connections handy, and is willing to watch it 24/7, give root access and guarantee that it will be there for the next three to five years, please step forward. I would love to get that somewhere. But ranting on this list will not help. There is a process set up for community work (by the community) with the idea of monthly sprints (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints). You want changes, you are more than welcome to the sprint meeting and take tasks to get things done. It is very easy for Joe to just go away or to shut up, without any loss to him. We should be happy that he doesn't, it would be a loss for us. He can do good for maemo.org, and I wouldn't be surprised if he can do more good than many of our paid sysapes. Get him root access already. Give root access to a person who walks in here and starts shouting? Are you serious? No smileys, so I assume you are. Marius, I want root access on all your machines. I want it, now! :) Also Marius, would you watch your language. Calling people names is rude. It gives a bad picture of your character, and is against netiquette. You should know better, it's not a kindergarten. Tero [1] And no, we are working hard to improving things is not good enough. Even the way we implement improvements needs to be improved. Please show up at the next monthly sprint meeting and take some tasks to improve things then. How much time and energy are you willing to pitch in personally? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to destroy your community
Hi Tero, Am 21.01.2010 um 12:56 schrieb tero.k...@nokia.com tero.k...@nokia.com: There are problems sure, that bit is apparent. Do you really think any party (community, admins, ISP, me) is right now happy at how the ISP has handled the case? No. Well then, what is being done to make sure something like this doesn't happen again? And just for clarity: I don't see the ISP being the root cause of the problem here. The question is: how could roughly fifteen blades, a few teras of netapp end up at such a bad ISP? Isn't it common sense to use an ISP that one has prior experience with and hopefully a known contact? Who made this decision? Was that person fit (qualified) to make this decision? If not, is he still responsible for these kinds of decisions? If anyone has a blade rack with roughly fifteen blades, a few teras of netapp and fast connections handy, and is willing to watch it 24/7, give root access and guarantee that it will be there for the next three to five years, please step forward. I would love to get that somewhere. Getting that somewhere is obviously not the issue at all, for the right price. And I'm guessing money is not the issue either. So it's just about having someone who has experience and the right contacts in this regard to make the proper choice. But ranting on this list will not help. I don't think that I'm ranting. I'm trying to get to the root of the problem here. This might be an important discussion since it's possible not all of us agree about the root cause. It is very easy for Joe to just go away or to shut up, without any loss to him. We should be happy that he doesn't, it would be a loss for us. He can do good for maemo.org, and I wouldn't be surprised if he can do more good than many of our paid sysapes. Get him root access already. Give root access to a person who walks in here and starts shouting? Are you serious? No smileys, so I assume you are. Marius, I want root access on all your machines. I want it, now! :) Jeff was shouting? I would rather characterize him as one of the (if not the) most valued community contributors in regards to maemo.org infrastructure. Just take a look at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba. He was the only one (!) being able to provide maemo.org repository access during the server move. I think he has proven that he is capable and can be trusted. So tell me Tero, what are the criteria for getting root access? Is this a community, i.e. a meritocracy? Also Marius, would you watch your language. Calling people names is rude. It gives a bad picture of your character, and is against netiquette. You should know better, it's not a kindergarten. Exactly, it is not. It's high time people started being accountable for their performance. Please show up at the next monthly sprint meeting and take some tasks to improve things then. How much time and energy are you willing to pitch in personally? I'll be there. How much responsibility are you willing to give away? Cheers, Stephan ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to destroy your community
Kojo Tero (Nokia-D/Helsinki) tero.k...@nokia.com writes: Marius, I want root access on all your machines. I want it, now! :) Dude, after all this, I wouldn't even let you ride my bicycle. Also Marius, would you watch your language. Calling people names is rude. It gives a bad picture of your character, and is against netiquette. You should know better, it's not a kindergarten. Heh, are you referring to me saying many of our paid sysapes? That wasn't directed at anyone in particular, it was kind of a heat seeking missile. In any case, apologies if I hurt some people's feelings. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: How to destroy your community
Hello! Please show up at the next monthly sprint meeting and take some tasks to improve things then. How much time and energy are you willing to pitch in personally? (While not address to me). That is too simple. I'm developer, spending much of my free time in maemo related developing. I must be able to hint at problems and make suggestions without realizing them by myself. I know that this is a common open source problem (people always only want to make the nice stuff). But in the end people were nominated/paid/raised their hand to be responsible for something. I must be able to address tasks to these people, because for various reason they are or should be experts. And as long as these people exists I do not want the hear come there and offer help but I want to here Bullshit or I put it on the TODO list (and of course lets further disccuss). If positions are vacant or people have too much workload or there are urgent things to do adn help is required, this should be addressed, communicated and hopefully resolved (and also adressed to the community with request for help). It should also communicated if this breaks and TODO lists get to long to get handled anytime soon (something communities break at this point because all have ideas but nobody wants to do anything). Possibly I may take a job I feel confortable with in the end, but that should not stop me pointing at problems and increase the size of the TODO list. Do it yourself sound like a easy way to get rid of problems. -- Gruß... Tim ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
KDE libraries and Maemo
Hi everyone, I am actually trying to port a laptop application writen for KDE to Maemo. And my question is if someone nows in advance if the use of KDE libraries can cause problems for this porting. Thanks, A. Cano This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK
On 21/01/2010 11:46, Jeremiah Foster wrote: For software and tools I agree. But processes will be very different. Maemo is not aiming for a release every 18 months, Debian is. The official release time period is 24 months. There's no “time-based” release planned at all. What's planned (and for the moment not yet done) is “time-based” freezes, which is not the same thing. Debian releases ”when it's ready” (and usually late). Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: KDE libraries and Maemo
Am Donnerstag, den 21.01.2010, 15:39 +0100 schrieb ac...@dsic.upv.es: I am actually trying to port a laptop application writen for KDE to Maemo. And my question is if someone nows in advance if the use of KDE libraries can cause problems for this porting. That's quite vague - what are the dependencies actually? andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Backwards compatibility broken PR1.1 SDK
On Jan 21, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On 21/01/2010 11:46, Jeremiah Foster wrote: For software and tools I agree. But processes will be very different. Maemo is not aiming for a release every 18 months, Debian is. The official release time period is 24 months. There's no “time-based” release planned at all. What's planned (and for the moment not yet done) is “time-based” freezes, which is not the same thing. Debian releases ”when it's ready” (and usually late). According to the DPL's talk last year at FOSDEM, there in fact is an informal time period between releases with a goal of 18 months and a maximum of 24 months. Both Etch and Lenny were within this time frame coming in at 22 months - so they weren't late. :-) Jeremiah ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: How to destroy your community
-Original Message- From: ext Stephan Jaensch [mailto:s...@sjaensch.org] Sent: 21 January, 2010 14:24 To: Kojo Tero (Nokia-D/Helsinki) Cc: maemo-developers mailing-list Subject: Re: How to destroy your community Hi Tero, Am 21.01.2010 um 12:56 schrieb tero.k...@nokia.com tero.k...@nokia.com: There are problems sure, that bit is apparent. Do you really think any party (community, admins, ISP, me) is right now happy at how the ISP has handled the case? No. Well then, what is being done to make sure something like this doesn't happen again? And just for clarity: I don't see the ISP being the root cause of the problem here. The question is: how could roughly fifteen blades, a few teras of netapp end up at such a bad ISP? Isn't it common sense to use an ISP that one has prior experience with and hopefully a known contact? Who made this decision? Was that person fit (qualified) to make this decision? If not, is he still responsible for these kinds of decisions? Large publicly listed companies have very strict rules when using money. There's even a law about it in the USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes_oxley) That has the implication that a listed company cannot buy from wherever, and that limits the choices considerably. To have some other instance run the servers would be perfect. However as stated somewhere earlier in this thread, there is no entity that could make legally binding contracts on behalf of the community. So the solution right now is to talk more to the ISP to get the issue fixed and make sure that they understand the nature of maemo.org (the site and the community). And point to the simple fact that the SLA has an uptime number which they themselves agreed to. Getting that somewhere is obviously not the issue at all, for the right price. And I'm guessing money is not the issue either. So it's just about having someone who has experience and the right contacts in this regard to make the proper choice. Somewhere is the issue. The list of places is limited. Contacts will not help. This naturally applies only to large publicly listed companies. I don't think that I'm ranting. I'm trying to get to the root of the problem here. This might be an important discussion since it's possible not all of us agree about the root cause. No you are making a good discussion. I appreciate it. But people's feelings seem to be generally running hot in this thread. Jeff was shouting? I would rather characterize him as one of the (if not the) most valued community contributors in regards to maemo.org infrastructure. Just take a look at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba. He was the only one (!) being able to provide maemo.org repository access during the server move. I think he has proven that he is capable and can be trusted. I agree, Jeff is a guy who can do things. He definitely is nice to have around. Trusted, maybe you are right. I have no idea. Not my call either. So tell me Tero, what are the criteria for getting root access? Is this a community, i.e. a meritocracy? It is a community issue, you need to ask the community. Personally I do not have shell accounts (let alone root) on any maemo.org machine. I wouldn't deserve them, I'm not a sysadmin. And neither can I invent any good reason to ask for them. If you have been here long enough, you know that in the beginning (four-five years ago) maemo.org was pretty much run by Nokia. That all has been changing slowly but surely. And nowadays maemo.org is community run. Sure Nokia sponsors the servers, but as said there is no other entity to do that right now. it's not a kindergarten. Exactly, it is not. It's high time people started being accountable for their performance. Yes, that's why there are legal agreements called contracts in place. But those do not prevent technical failures, they only make sure that there are penalties for cases where things have not gone as agreed. And penalties do not generally make anyone happy. So the solution is to work more with the ISP to make sure they get things fixed and right. And the people who do admin work for the community are pretty much working their ass off right now, as they have for the past two months. I'm not quite sure everyone understands that there are about two people doing admin work in maemo.org, and what services the site has overall. Please show up at the next monthly sprint meeting and take some tasks to improve things then. How much time and energy are you willing to pitch in personally? I'll be there. How much responsibility are you willing to give away? Good to hear! Responsibility is not mine to give away. Ask the council, Niels or Ferenc at the meeting. I am sure there is no end of small tasks that could be done. Tero Cheers, Stephan ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org
Re: KDE libraries and Maemo
Hey, On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: first of all, if this application is available in debian too, try to check which are its dependencies. Qt libraries are ported to Maemo, but KDE libraries are not. I remember that someone ported the whole KDE to Maemo, but it was for Maemo4, I don't know the state of the porting for Maemo5. The KOffice guys are already working on a port for Maemo5 so probably they already have some parts of the kdelibs working for Maemo5. There is even a mailing list for this: kde-ma...@kde.org IIRC... Cheers, -- --- http://claimid.com/morpheuz Blog: http://blog.morpheuz.cc PGP: 0xDBEEAAC3 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: How to destroy your community
Large publicly listed companies have very strict rules when using money. There's even a law about it in the USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes_oxley) That has the implication that a listed company cannot buy from wherever, and that limits the choices considerably. I'm going to have to call BS on that one. Sarbanes-Oxley has absolutely nothing to do with whom you can do legitimate business. That law was created because some large companies had set up shell corporations to hide debt in to make their balance sheets look better. The law was designed to reform accounting practices by making corporate officers personally responsible for the accuracy of accounting records and financial reports. Ed Okerson ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
missing apps in maemo 5 sdk
Hello, I had to reinstall the maemo 5 sdk using the GUI installer I downloaded from the nokia site. The install process goes smoothly on my ubuntu karmic koala host. However, I think some (a lot?) of apps are missing compared to my previous installation. For instance I don't have the terminal app. I looked for osso-terminal and others alike and found nothing. Any idea what's happened? Thanks. -- Je suis anatidaephobe et j'en souffre. (T T) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to destroy your community
Kojo Tero (Nokia-D/Helsinki) tero.k...@nokia.com writes: Large publicly listed companies have very strict rules when using money. There's even a law about it in the USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes_oxley) That has the implication that a listed company cannot buy from wherever, and that limits the choices considerably. Uhh, that doesn't bode well for ovi.com... :-) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Keeping up with the autobuilder
Niels Breet wrote: If you subscribe to the extras-cauldron-builds list, you could see that there was a package severely stuck. The list is also available as a newsgroup, gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.extras-cauldron.builds, from the news server at news.gmane.org, with a blog page at http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.extras-cauldron.builds and an RSS feed at http://rss.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.extras-cauldron.builds I find it quite handy to view the feed through Akregator; the subject lines tell me what is (or isn't!) happening, and the mail messages don't fill my mailbox. When the feed showed simplenotewidget being built every two minutes, I knew someone was going to have an interesting morning. Several other maemo mailing lists are also available through gmane. Would it be useful to put this information on maemo.org's mailing list pages? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
texture streaming support on N900?
Hi, I just found the latest TI Graphics SDK support texture streaming: * http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/sdo_sb/targetcontent/gfxsdk/latest/index_FDS.html * * * I think there may be a chance to make it work on N900. So I compiled the new kernel modules for graphics card and bufferclass. It did compile with Maemo5 kernel tree. However, after installing the modules, it bricked the device. Since there are lots of good hackers here, maybe some people already tried it. Any input is appreciated! :-) Thanks! Regards, Yun-Ta ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Keeping up with the autobuilder
Hi, - Original message - Niels Breet wrote: If you subscribe to the extras-cauldron-builds list, you could see that there was a package severely stuck. The list is also available as a newsgroup, gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.extras-cauldron.builds, from the news server at news.gmane.org, with a blog page at http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.extras-cauldron.builds and an RSS feed at http://rss.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.extras-cauldron.builds I find it quite handy to view the feed through Akregator; the subject lines tell me what is (or isn't!) happening, and the mail messages don't fill my mailbox. When the feed showed simplenotewidget being built every two minutes, I knew someone was going to have an interesting morning. Thanks, this is among the list of things I've been missing lately! Several other maemo mailing lists are also available through gmane. Would it be useful to put this information on maemo.org's mailing list pages? I second this. Cheers, Tuomo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Keeping up with the autobuilder
On Thursday 21 January 2010 20:57:41 Tuomo Tanskanen wrote: gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.extras-cauldron.builds, from the news server at news.gmane.org, with a blog page at http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.extras-cauldron.builds and an RSS feed at http://rss.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.extras-cauldron.builds I find it quite handy to view the feed through Akregator; the subject lines tell me what is (or isn't!) happening, and the mail messages don't fill my mailbox. When the feed showed simplenotewidget being built every two minutes, I knew someone was going to have an interesting morning. Thanks, this is among the list of things I've been missing lately! Yes, this is very handy. Several other maemo mailing lists are also available through gmane. Would it be useful to put this information on maemo.org's mailing list pages? I second this. I set up links to each Gmane archive page which has Maemo as a subject and listed links to each RSS feed in the wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_mailing_lists -Jeff Moe http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to destroy your community
2010/1/20 Aldon Hynes aldon.hy...@orient-lodge.com You can *demand*. You can also ask in a way that is likely to be more effective or join in a discussion about how we can all work together to make sure that we all get the best possible equipment and supporting infrastructure. Aldon I want to bump this point up. What has been said can't be taken back so this thing started with a wrong foot by using topic how to destroy your community and making all kinds of accusations even when you don't have a clue about the realities that apply to the server move is a starting point that won't give you anything useful. Conversation starter written in whole another tone would have been a superior choice. Please keep in mind, that if you want things to be improved, attacking takes you nowhere. And showing a little bit of symphaty instead of bashing doesn't make your points any less valid unless the points are totally wrong at the first place. Ossipena / Timo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
MySQL and N800
Hi all, has anyone been successful in deployment mySQL dbs on the N800? If yes can you share any of your experiences with it? If not, any other open-source dbs that can be possibly interfaced through cdc Java on the N800? Thanks much Demetris ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Where is the contextd?
Hi experts: I am trying to play contextkit. The README file told me there should be a contextd(context daemon). Unfortunately, I can't find it in my source directory after build while I can see libcontextprovider.so.0.0.0 and libcontextsubscriber.so.0.0.0. Anyone knows where the contextd resides or it has another name? thank you. Zhang Xin(Wing) Intel(SSG/OTC) ShangHai China ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Is Maemo Talk sever always down during the morning?
Is it just me, but it seems that the Maemo Talk is always down around this time. Well, at least this week it has been. Has anyone else noticed this trend? Thanks, Sascha ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Where is the contextd?
ext Zhang, Xing Z xing.z.zh...@intel.com writes: I am trying to play contextkit. The README file told me there should be a contextd(context daemon). Unfortunately, I can't find it in my source directory after build while I can see libcontextprovider.so.0.0.0 and libcontextsubscriber.so.0.0.0. Anyone knows where the contextd resides or it has another name? thank you. It's in the contextkit-maemo repository: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/contextkit-maemo The contextd daemon is pretty Maemo specific, while the rest of the ContextKit shouldn't be. I have updated the README. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
