Re: Remove Darius?
Hi, I have already requested my name to be removed from your subscription list, so please don't continue silly threads like that. As I see, some developers at Maemo are overcharged with bad energy and devil's frustration , so just let me live in peace, far from your virtual problems and your off-topics spamming my mailbox. Turn your energy (if any) to save Maemo project and concentrate yourself on real challenges not your egoisti self EGO problems. I am right in my opinions and decision, as my last thread Please do your best to save Maemo project (hardware and software part) stays unread and without any comments. I can't accept any community driven by devil's energy, self-conflicted. It may takes months to make Maemo project back to life. So blame yourself and only yourself personally, for your wrong doing and defeat (this is directed to few developers only, overcharged with devil's energy and driven by egoistic Self EGO killing Maemo community project). __ Please do your best to save Maemo project (hardware and software part) Saturday, 6 September, 2008 2:51 PM From: Darius Jack dariusjack2006 at yahoo.ie Add sender to Contacts To: maemo-developers@maemo.org maemo-developers@maemo.org Hi, please do your best to save Maemo project (software and hardware part). Please show your support to excellent job done for Maemo project by Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia Please try to avoid any frustration in public place, please nominate some leaders among maemo developers to avoid competition conflicts. I am really afraid Maemo Project (hardware part) is partly closed. My private opinion is based on traffic generated by maemo users at InternetTabletTalk, by frustration shown in public place by some developers, by Maemo.com web site getting more and more bureauctratic place, by comments made by Quim disclosing a little interest by Nokia VIPs to listen to what Maemo community says. And finally. Great place, great Welcome page devoted to Nokia N810 and N810 Wimax version, I set up one year ago as Google Group Nokia Internet Tablet http://groups.google.com/group/nokia-internet-tablet?hl=en has been hacked by knowing man and Nokia Internet Tablet Welcome page with some hundred of web links to services providing state-of-the-art coverage to Maemo project (pictures, text, videos) has gone forever . The issue is, Welcome page's status was set to edit-protected by Google, so no third person was in capacity to remove it. As you see, there is no Welcome page at all. Welcome page option is off. So as not to enter into basic investigation, just ask Google, who did it. I contacted local Google office, Google office in Ireland, Google HQ emailed Google Groups manager in charge. So mayby my conclusion is well grounded and N810 Wimax edition is temporary closed. If I am wrong please tell more details. In either case, do your best to save Maemo project. There is a number of Linux based tablets, cell phones - Eee PC by Asus, A1200 by Motorola. Linux is excellent in embedded devices. Issue is GUI in embedded devices. Stylus operated PDA technology is 20 years old. No chance for market success. Multitouch + Maemo + glas replacing foil makes another generation of maemo hardware. There is a conflict of interest among administrator of InternetTabletTalk and other hot Nokia Internet Tablet places. Last year administrator of I.T.T removed all 3 messages I posted to I.T.T. forum to N 700, N800, N810 to say hello about new GG Nokia Internet Tablet , being afraid to loose traffic to I.T.T. Doing so he hurt Nokia's Maemo business, hurt Nokia Internet Tablet users as only N.I.T. provided some hundred valid web links to Maemo software, hardware nice places as Semantic WWW Magazine (RD Project). I.T.T. is web based forum and as a such, provides no multimedia content, no web links to third parties, so there is no conflict of interest. And the more, N.I.T. acted exactly complementary to I.T.T. And thousand visiting N.I.T. have had opportunity to get valuable information from I.T.T. discussions so traffic generated was much greater to provide some extra financing by ads placed at I.T.T. Today administrator of I.T.T. get involved in ad personam conflicts, not being able to say one word, why Nokia selected low quality gps in N810, supported by network assistance. The issue with AGPS is vwery clear. In the States, tablet users get flat rate cell access to the Internet. In Europe and in other parts of world, roaming takes place, so moving from one country to another with AGPS on you pay roaming overheads amounting 10 times basic flat cell rate if provided. So ppl going abroad try not to pick up a cell phone not to pay very high roaming fees. What is so very simple and clear, makes for I.T.T. administrator a way to make ad personam remarks. Closing. N.I.T. Semantic WWW Magazine provided at the top web link to Maemo repositories (all repositories collected by one man) to save time
Please remove Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the list
What I get from him is a violation of basic Internet standards subject to Internet abuse reporting. ___ From: Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stupid asshole could you stop spamming ... ! #!/usr/python2.5 def __mail__(): import grumphy text = str(self) + \nDO NOT FEED THE TROLL Benoît HERVIER! g = grumphy() g.send_mail(text) -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertxxx xxx x x xxx Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Please do your best to save Maemo project (hardware and software part)
Hi, please do your best to save Maemo project (software and hardware part). Please show your support to excellent job done for Maemo project by Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia Please try to avoid any frustration in public place, please nominate some leaders among maemo developers to avoid competition conflicts. I am really afraid Maemo Project (hardware part) is partly closed. My private opinion is based on traffic generated by maemo users at InternetTabletTalk, by frustration shown in public place by some developers, by Maemo.com web site getting more and more bureauctratic place, by comments made by Quim disclosing a little interest by Nokia VIPs to listen to what Maemo community says. And finally. Great place, great Welcome page devoted to Nokia N810 and N810 Wimax version, I set up one year ago as Google Group Nokia Internet Tablet http://groups.google.com/group/nokia-internet-tablet?hl=en has been hacked by knowing man and Nokia Internet Tablet Welcome page with some hundred of web links to services providing state-of-the-art coverage to Maemo project (pictures, text, videos) has gone forever . The issue is, Welcome page's status was set to edit-protected by Google, so no third person was in capacity to remove it. As you see, there is no Welcome page at all. Welcome page option is off. So as not to enter into basic investigation, just ask Google, who did it. I contacted local Google office, Google office in Ireland, Google HQ emailed Google Groups manager in charge. So mayby my conclusion is well grounded and N810 Wimax edition is temporary closed. If I am wrong please tell more details. In either case, do your best to save Maemo project. There is a number of Linux based tablets, cell phones - Eee PC by Asus, A1200 by Motorola. Linux is excellent in embedded devices. Issue is GUI in embedded devices. Stylus operated PDA technology is 20 years old. No chance for market success. Multitouch + Maemo + glas replacing foil makes another generation of maemo hardware. There is a conflict of interest among administrator of InternetTabletTalk and other hot Nokia Internet Tablet places. Last year administrator of I.T.T removed all 3 messages I posted to I.T.T. forum to N 700, N800, N810 to say hello about new GG Nokia Internet Tablet , being afraid to loose traffic to I.T.T. Doing so he hurt Nokia's Maemo business, hurt Nokia Internet Tablet users as only N.I.T. provided some hundred valid web links to Maemo software, hardware nice places as Semantic WWW Magazine (RD Project). I.T.T. is web based forum and as a such, provides no multimedia content, no web links to third parties, so there is no conflict of interest. And the more, N.I.T. acted exactly complementary to I.T.T. And thousand visiting N.I.T. have had opportunity to get valuable information from I.T.T. discussions so traffic generated was much greater to provide some extra financing by ads placed at I.T.T. Today administrator of I.T.T. get involved in ad personam conflicts, not being able to say one word, why Nokia selected low quality gps in N810, supported by network assistance. The issue with AGPS is vwery clear. In the States, tablet users get flat rate cell access to the Internet. In Europe and in other parts of world, roaming takes place, so moving from one country to another with AGPS on you pay roaming overheads amounting 10 times basic flat cell rate if provided. So ppl going abroad try not to pick up a cell phone not to pay very high roaming fees. What is so very simple and clear, makes for I.T.T. administrator a way to make ad personam remarks. Closing. N.I.T. Semantic WWW Magazine provided at the top web link to Maemo repositories (all repositories collected by one man) to save time of happy Maemo users to spend hours on making Google queries. Maemo website unfortunately lost application catalog and valid option was application search by categories (a nightmare, as a number of categories has grown to 15-20). Maemo project is still very close to global success, much greater than Apple with IPhone, Asus with Eee PC .. To win we need to avoid any frustration , avoid ad personam attacks and empty threads like Improved N810 gps at I.T.T. , beginning with first comment like it takes hours to get a gps fix Product going to market must be tested, pretested and ready as quality product. If Nokia goes to market with such product, generating so many problems, it does mean, no testes, pretests were done and such market policy hurts Nokia customers and hurts Nokia profits. Maemo hardware is intended for end-users as ready-Internet Tablet + gps navigation and it must work excellently. As Nokia Internet Tablet is not a phone it's price must be 1/2 of the price of Internet Tablet + phone (see iPhone). With Internet tablet + phone on market, a manufacturer gets a chance to sell its Internet Tablet Phone by global network of cell phone points of sales, providing customers with reduced price
Re: Please remove Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] .net from the list
Dave, please do your best to save Maemo project (hardware and software part) stop conflicts, frustration. Read my thread Please do your best to save Maemo project (hardware and software part) and do something good for the community and for me and don't send frustrated emails addressed personally to me, any more) Just concentrate yourself on Maemo Project and how to make Maemo Tablet No.1 in the world. Chance is still open if you can keep your frustration in your pocket. FRIENDLY COOPERATION is what I expect from you. I am not responsible for business policy at Nokia. For market standing go to Bloomberg. I suggested to set up Think-Tank and Think-tank was just created and set up and is on. Let's us concentrate to make Internet Tablet multitouch and hot gizmo and don't blame Apple for iPhone's success. Try to think globally not locally. You live in 21st century. (no reply) --- On Sat, 6/9/08, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Please remove Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the list To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 2:51 PM Hi Darius, I'm contacting you off-list in the hope that you can modify your behaviour before you do more damage to the Maemo community thhan you already have. You have been posting far too often, quite incoherently, on subjects about which you apparently have no in-depth knowledge. The net result is an increased level of frustration and aggression in the community. I don't condone the kind of language that Benoit used. I will talk to him about it also. But your behaviour is a serious problem in Maemo now. I do not doubt you are well-meaning, but I request that for the good of the community that you stop posting to the mailing list for a while - and when you do post, it would be great if your posts could concern code that you have written, or documentation you're helping write, or something other than bare Nokia should do this... messages. Thank you, Dave. Darius Jack wrote: What I get from him is a violation of basic Internet standards subject to Internet abuse reporting. ___ From: Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stupid asshole could you stop spamming ... ! #!/usr/python2.5 def __mail__(): import grumphy text = str(self) + \nDO NOT FEED THE TROLL Benoît HERVIER! g = grumphy() g.send_mail(text) -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertxxx xxx x x xxx Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Pls remove me from the list
Hi, Read my thread first. Please do your best to save Maemo project (hardware and software part) Too much bad energy, no leaders, many frustrated, no interest to make Maemo Internet Tablet really hot global gizmo supported by financial success. You don't understand that me and my friends are another in-spe buyers of Nokia Tablet better edition. Software part without hardware part makes no market, generates no profit, no success. Let me to say you something frankly. I am the only man in my region of the world who has bought Nokia Tablet and none of my friends showed ever any interest to buy and use Linux Internet Tablet. Linux Internet Tablet is very special device and gizmo, nothing so hot like iPhone. Laptops /notebooks with preinstalled Linux in MediaMarkt can not attract buyers. Linux is for professionals not street customers. You go the wrong way, selected the wrong way of making business and some developers are really frustrated and show such frustration in public places. To succeed, you need to behave nice, be friendly and make Maemo Tablet a gizmo made by successful people for people of success. Don't expect people to buy product made by frustrated developers. You really don't know what are you doing wrong. I tried to give you free friendly advice and you still can't comprehend what I say. Just read carefully my thread Please do your best to save Maemo project (hardware and software part) and follow it one day. I am very satisfied with my Internet Tablet so I really don't understand your problems, conflicts and frustration. It works fine for me. (no reply) --- On Sat, 6/9/08, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Remove Darius? To: maemo-developers@maemo.org maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 4:34 PM As a member of this list I am finding Darius' postings unacceptable for a -developer list. If he continues to post in this manner I would support his removal. Anyone else or is it just me? David ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
and I don't think the decision makers need more input from the Maemo community
Hello Marketing Manager, the problem is much more complicated so saying and I don't think the decision makers need more input from the Maemo community hurts Maemo community and customers Nokia is lossing millions, is loosing markets and Maemo, Maemo community was really a great chance for Nokia to make something special. Today chances are lost. It's too late. Just read Bloomberg and market analysis and stock reports. Chances for sucess and to be No.1 with Maemo success has gone forever to Samsung, Apple and emerging Google cell phones. We should play fair. Maemo community was a great chance for a great victory by Nokia. Unsupported, with no leadership, no challenges set ended in frustration and half-finished products like low quality gps navigation, no-cell-phone Maemo. At the same time Samsung, Apple, Google made very fast progress with emerging technologies, multitouch products, high-quality integrated navigation. I can't blame you for a defeat, but frankly speaking, you showed no interest to make Maemo developers the Champions - world-leaders in emerging technologies and products, giving handicap to Apple and Samsung to make much faster progress. Lost chance by Nokia is not my personal opinion. Lost chance is market analysis published by Bloomberg. just what Bloomberg says: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aFz3FZ0Qjyd8refer=home Nokia plans to introduce touch-screen models this year, and the first devices will aim at the ``volume market,'' the company said in July. ``The company is building up its portfolio, which is a bit old-fashioned,'' Schroder said. Apple began selling the iPhone 3g model in July. Chief Executive Steve Jobs plans to get the Web-surfing phone into 70 markets by the end of the year, up from six earlier this year. not to mention Nokia Stock Falls the Most Since April on Market Share Forecast By Juho Erkheikki Sept. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Nokia Oyj, the world's biggest maker of mobile phones, fell the most in almost five months in Helsinki trading after forecasting a drop in third-quarter market share because competitors slashed prices and a new handset was delayed. Nokia fell 9.6 percent. While demand will be hurt by ``weaker consumer confidence in multiple markets,'' the Espoo, Finland-based company stuck to a forecast of 10 percent industry growth in 2008. Previously, Nokia had said market share would be about the same as the second quarter's 40 percent. Price-cutting by Samsung Electronics Co. and growing sales of Apple Inc.'s iPhone may be hurting Nokia, according to Matthew Hoffman, an analyst at Cowen Co. in Boston. Nokia didn't say which competitors cut prices or identify the ``mid-range'' handset that was delayed. ``It's a shocker,'' said Neil Mawston, an associate director at researcher Strategy Analytics Ltd. in Milton Keynes, England. ``Everybody is scrapping for volume in the market, and it looks like that's caught up with Nokia.'' Nokia fell 1.50 euros to close at 14.02 euros in Helsinki, the biggest drop since April 17. The shares dropped to the lowest in almost three years. The global mobile-phone market probably will rise 10 percent or more this year from the 1.14 billion units sold last year, Nokia reiterated today in a stock exchange statement. Industry sales in the third quarter will also increase from the preceding three months, the company said. The only chance for success is to have comm unity of developers really integrated with main development strategies and my suggestion to set up Think-Tank made some months ago was the right direction. Wish you success anyway. (and pls don't delete my post and don't take it personally) Darius http://www.tinyurl.com/iDarius --- On Fri, 5/9/08, Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not To: ext Simon Pickering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Friday, 5 September, 2008, 9:09 AM Hi, ext Simon Pickering wrote: I'm not sure anything we say will affect this, though putting together good business cases to say how multi-touch will be beneficial (and being explicit about how) would probably be a good start (in the same way that we have been justifying why the PowerVR driver should be released, etc., on the wiki). The cases are different. The PowerVR issue could be solved with software for the current hardware while the multitouch you are talking about here depends on a different hardware. Hardware decisions are made at another level inside Nokia and I don't think the decision makers need more input from the Maemo community in addition to all the sources of input they already have. -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers
Re: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
--- On Thu, 4/9/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 8:49 PM On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: I am really surprised, there is a small group of maemo developers showing interest not to discuss maemo multitouch and showing interest to have maemo no-multitouch in next years. Quite contrary to iPhone developers , doing their best to make iPhone No.1 gizmo. But (to loosely paraphrase a famous Monty Python sketch) a discussion isn't merely contradiction. I think you're mistaken if you think that shouting loud enough on this mailing list (and annoying everyone in the process) will make Nokia produce an iPhone-like multitouch device. Mayby yes, mayby no. As Quim pointed out, Nokia VIPs show no much interest in what Maemo community has to say. By all means discuss (properly) but be respectful of others (who may have a better understanding of the issues than you do. There is no such quality like better understanding of the issues if the issues have not been discussed yet. I am sure I have the best understanding of the global market trends in multitouch, gesture recognition, 3D human interfaces and other emerging technologies and I can prove what I say and what said before (not in public place of course). -- Aj. Darius http://www.tinyurl.com/iDarius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
nrep
--- On Thu, 4/9/08, Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: maemo-developers@maemo.org maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 5:51 PM 2008/9/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: Instead of just arguing (which is quite annoying BTW), why dont you write some code or take your comments offlist? This tirade serves no purpose. #!/usr/python2.5 def __mail__(): import grumphy text = str(self) + \nDO NOT FEED THE TROLL Benoît HERVIER! g = grumphy() g.send_mail(text) -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
--- On Thu, 4/9/08, Simon Pickering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Simon Pickering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 5:13 PM I am really surprised, there is a small group of maemo developers showing interest not to discuss maemo multitouch and showing interest to have maemo no-multitouch in next years. I think Igor was fairly explicit in what he said, capacitive multi-touch was not very precise, therefore a resistive screen was chosen. This is fine by me as I do want to have very find control over where I click with my stylus. Someone else mentioned possible patent infringements, I don't know how much of a factor this is. Who said so ? What parent infringements ? I have carefully analyzed patent applications by Apple and full-text patents granted to Apple and there is nothing what can be infringed with another multitouch solution by Nokia, Samsung, Google or others. Just learn to read patent law and patent full texts. I'm not sure anything we say will affect this, You don't have to be sure but we should discusss state-of-the-art. Apple's iPhone is great market success and who is to blame not to make Maemo community projects such a success 3 years ago ? though putting together good business cases to say how multi-touch will be beneficial ask Steve Jobs (and being explicit about how) would probably be a good start (in the same way that we have been justifying why the PowerVR driver should be released, etc., on the wiki). Quite contrary to iPhone developers , doing their best to make iPhone No.1 gizmo. Not through their discussion of multi-touch mind you :) No discussion = no ideas. Multitouch interfaces discussion is pending for years. Multitouch is hot and market added value. You can try to stop multitouch development but please offer something better. No-one is stopping you, in fact if you can get the non-multitouch resistive screen to produce useful multitouch-like behaviour, which is what Gary (lcuk) has been looking at, I'm sure we'll all be very pleased. Who is Gary ? Cheers, Simon Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re:
multitouch patent http://www.freshpatents.com/Flexible-multi-touch-screen-dt20080731ptan20080180399.php resistive vs. capacitive multitouch by Google images http://images.google.com/images?hl=enq=resistive%20capacitive%20multitouchum=1ie=UTF-8sa=Ntab=wi Darius --- On Thu, 4/9/08, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: Sarah Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], maemo-developers maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 5:18 PM Darius Jack wrote: Multitouch is hot and market added value. Sarah Newman wrote: I am 99.99% certain the internet tablets use resistive touch screens, So being resistive I guess they're technically hotter than capacitive ones? /me ducks David Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
--- On Fri, 5/9/08, Simon Pickering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Simon Pickering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Friday, 5 September, 2008, 7:21 PM Someone else mentioned possible patent infringements, I don't know how much of a factor this is. Who said so ? What parent infringements ? I have carefully analyzed patent applications by Apple and full-text patents granted to Apple and there is nothing what can be infringed with another multitouch solution by Nokia, Samsung, Google or others. Just learn to read patent law and patent full texts. Great, I have some experience with reading patents (mainly for Jazelle), could you give us the patent numbers (preferably US patents so we can use the Google search) so we can also look at them? Wrong. You don't have any experience with reading patents. There is a nice interface at USPTO to visit one day. putting together good business cases to say how multi-touch will be beneficial ask Steve Jobs I don't have his email; do you? You may call his secretary. No-one is stopping you, in fact if you can get the non-multitouch resistive screen to produce useful multitouch-like behaviour, which is what Gary (lcuk) has been looking at, I'm sure we'll all be very pleased. Who is Gary ? Gary is lcuk on IRC. Thanks. http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/page/3/ Gary Birkett (better known on IRC as lcuk) gave a short talk on how and why he got involved in memo.org - an interesting perspective on motivations of volunteers, and a classic “scratching your own itch” situation. He’s developed a text reader which works in full-screen, and has smooth scrolling with finger stylus (like the iPhone). Darius Cheers, Simon Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
Don't be silly Andre. Links should provide one claiming any infringement. This is just how patent law works. So it's exactly me awaiting such links making such claimed infringement to let me answer in full details. I file patent applications at USPTO from time to time and have to work really hard to make a query of millions referenced materials, technical literature links and more. It takes a lot of time, group and single work. Not really easy. To learn more visit Invention University or join Inventors Usenet Group. I have spent 25 years in the business so there is no way to give one line answer in one minute. Visit my Semantic WWW Magazines ( to learn more) Global Inventions Patents http://groups.google.com/group/global-inventions-patents?hl=en Tesla Inventions http://groups.google.com/group/tesla-inventions?hl=en and more Darius http://www.tinyurl.com/iDarius --- On Fri, 5/9/08, Andre Klapper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Andre Klapper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 5 September, 2008, 8:22 PM Dnia 2008-09-05, pią o godzinie 17:03 +, Darius Jack pisze: I have carefully analyzed patent applications by Apple and full-text patents granted to Apple and there is nothing what can be infringed with another multitouch solution by Nokia, Samsung, Google or others. Just learn to read patent law and patent full texts. If you are unwilling or unable to provide explicit links and underline your arguments, then please refrain from spreading uncertainty and doubt. Keeping a discussion vague by refusing to provide background does not help anybody if you are *really* willing to discuss those topics. Thanks, andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
My dear friend, I welcome your comments on multitouch howto. I work in my spare time with one multitouch group in Japan, another in UK, one again in Sweden, not to say New York, MIT , UoT. So multitouch in maemo works as it works. I can use 2 fingers to move web page horizontally ( it works for semantic pages). And once again. It works without stylus with 2 fingers only. Just have a try not guess. This is just the reason for a subject line in my thread. maemo by Nokia was very very close to multitouch interfacing and still is. I was really surprised to hear , some maemo developers try to close the multitouch thread not to let us sing one day We are the Champions. Multitouch is exactly about maemo development. Darius --- On Wed, 3/9/08, gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 3 September, 2008, 4:16 PM You obviously do not realise how touchscreens work. When you press in 2 locations the click point will be located at the centre of gravity between those points. This is why if you accidentally catch your screen with your wrist whilst operating with the stylus the pointer will shoot off in a random direction. do some reading up, and also - the touchpad on the iphone etc is a completely different technology. Take the stylus you use for touching your nokia and use it on the iphone screen. I have to wonder though, if you are so impressed with their technology why you haven't you moved to using their devices fulltime? gary (lcuk on #maemo) I am always impressed with intelligent high-tech gizmos, solutions, technologies. Making maemo multitouch is still an open choice. patent claims make set no special restrictions to development of other multitouch solutions - interfaces. We are the leaders. Aren't we ? Visit my multitouch Microsoft surface computing Semantic Magazine to learn more about other multitouch technologies. Darius On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Sorry Simon, but it works as semi-multitouch. I have discovered this feature opening my Semantic WWW Magazines in maemo. With 2 fingers pressed I can move Welcome page horizontally, like in iPod Touch. Darius --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 3:49 PM Darius Jack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] N 770 ( first in the world multitouch Internet tablet). N 770 was really multitouch gizmo (just try to move web page with 2 fingers). You're wrong here: what you're seeing when pressing multiple fingers on the touchscreen is some kind of average position. Typically the mousepointer ends up in the middle between the two fingers pressing the screen, just try it in the drawing application. The scrolling in the webbrowser just made you believe that it would be doing something sensible, it really does not. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
2 finger scrolling was meant as blob recognition feature. Darius --- On Wed, 3/9/08, Eric Warnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eric Warnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 3 September, 2008, 3:38 PM 2 finger scrolling is not a feature unique to multi-touch. It's been available for older track pads for years. -Eric On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Simon, but it works as semi-multitouch. I have discovered this feature opening my Semantic WWW Magazines in maemo. With 2 fingers pressed I can move Welcome page horizontally, like in iPod Touch. Darius --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 3:49 PM Darius Jack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] N 770 ( first in the world multitouch Internet tablet). N 770 was really multitouch gizmo (just try to move web page with 2 fingers). You're wrong here: what you're seeing when pressing multiple fingers on the touchscreen is some kind of average position. Typically the mousepointer ends up in the middle between the two fingers pressing the screen, just try it in the drawing application. The scrolling in the webbrowser just made you believe that it would be doing something sensible, it really does not. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Hi, you said: There is no native multi touch on these devices. Who said otherwise ? You can call my experience with maemo multitouch side-effect. Ok. But it works for me. I use both iPod Touch and maemo. It works how it works but works (side-effect or alike) ;) you asked have you ever actually done any coding for maemo Tried hard to loggin into maemo, 3 times failed and gave up. Logging procedure problems. __ There is no such facility like Think-Tank at Nokia, so no chance to develop and discuss multitouch for Nokia/maemo. Moreover, one or more guys from this dev list claimed that discussing multitouch for Nokia maemo was spam. Wish you success anyway. Darius --- On Thu, 4/9/08, gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 12:17 PM Darius, You say you work with lots of groups, have you ever actually done any coding for maemo and obtained actual coordinates of the distinct multitouch hotspots as you touch it? I would love to see examples of your code because multitouch would be a nice feature to have. You will find I am actively involved in making the most out of these nokia devices and have investigated a great number of options and directions for the input and output side of these devices and multitouch is something I have put quite a bit of brainpower towards. The effect you see when sideways scrolling is exactly what I specified in my earlier mail, but saying it is multitouch is flat out wrong, it is simply the sideeffect of changing the centre of gravity. With a true multitouch surface the running application obtains multiple distinct hotspots, that is each finger produces its own hotspot at a specific location, the surface can track multiple hotspots. The event subsystem must be geared to handle these hotspots and the applications themselves need to know what to do with them. The multi touch effect you are seeing is the averaging of your distinct fingertips into a single cursor location. Applications for maemo expect and obtain a single cursor location and know nothing about multiple hotspots (the touchscreen simulates events to move a single virtual mouse pointer) There is no native multi touch on these devices. That does not say that it is impossible to obtain lower resolution multiple contact points and an expanding/contracting zone from this averaged data - it is something I have actively investigated and tested in code on the device (thank you x-fade, i've not forgotten). Gary On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: My dear friend, I welcome your comments on multitouch howto. I work in my spare time with one multitouch group in Japan, another in UK, one again in Sweden, not to say New York, MIT , UoT. So multitouch in maemo works as it works. I can use 2 fingers to move web page horizontally ( it works for semantic pages). And once again. It works without stylus with 2 fingers only. Just have a try not guess. This is just the reason for a subject line in my thread. maemo by Nokia was very very close to multitouch interfacing and still is. I was really surprised to hear , some maemo developers try to close the multitouch thread not to let us sing one day We are the Champions. Multitouch is exactly about maemo development. Darius --- On Wed, 3/9/08, gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 3 September, 2008, 4:16 PM You obviously do not realise how touchscreens work. When you press in 2 locations the click point will be located at the centre of gravity between those points. This is why if you accidentally catch your screen with your wrist whilst operating with the stylus the pointer will shoot off in a random direction. do some reading up, and also - the touchpad on the iphone etc is a completely different technology. Take the stylus you use for touching your nokia and use it on the iphone screen. I have to wonder though, if you are so impressed with their technology why you haven't you moved to using their devices fulltime? gary (lcuk on #maemo) I am always impressed with intelligent high-tech gizmos, solutions, technologies. Making maemo multitouch is still an open choice. patent claims make set no special restrictions to development of other multitouch solutions - interfaces. We are the leaders. Aren't we
Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
I am really surprised, there is a small group of maemo developers showing interest not to discuss maemo multitouch and showing interest to have maemo no-multitouch in next years. Quite contrary to iPhone developers , doing their best to make iPhone No.1 gizmo. Multitouch is hot and market added value. You can try to stop multitouch development but please offer something better. Darius --- On Thu, 4/9/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 3:16 PM On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: COULD YOU STOP SPAMMING THIS LIST ? THANKS ! Instead of just arguing (which is quite annoying BTW), why dont you write some code or take your comments offlist? This tirade serves no purpose. -- A Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
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Aniello, you are against maemo multitouch development and you are free to ban yourself any time. But you can't stop others to work on maemo multitouch development. bye bye no reply Aniello welcome in my trash --- On Thu, 4/9/08, Aniello Del Sorbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Aniello Del Sorbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: no reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 4:53 PM :) isn't this time to start banning someone from the list ? Aniello On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (cut for clarity) Don't care about Aniello Del Sorbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] He's a known mega troll not caring for development of better maemo , meant multitouch solutions mayby working for a competitors Remove Aniello from your subscription and mailing lists. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
You are completely wrong. I remember you that it s a dev mailing list. multitouch N900 maemo is what is more than welcome. Your problems with multitouch operation are not shared by millions of happy users of iPhone, iPod Touch. Multitouch technology by Apple generates huge profits andf what counts in corporate business is profit per share. So multitouch technology by Apple is a great success in making profit per share to go up and you can't stop developers to develop multitouch solutions in maemo, next editions of N810. I have already suggested Quim Gil to set up Developers Think-Tank at Nokia to start brain work on new technologies, how interfaces. Nothing to be ashamed, solutions by Apple are today hot, modern and market welcome. Kinetics is exactly what is emerging in N810, coming from iPhone. Yesterday read a long Eee PC marketing report by Asus. What was expected to be hot and market success is not hot any more. Screen to small, LCD panel to fat. No chance for market success like one by Apple multitouch products. COULD YOU STOP SPAMMING THIS LIST ? THANKS ! You can't stop developers to develop multitouch solutions for N810 and other Nokia products. You can't stop developers to discuss new features, new solutions. Market is open for hot products only. All you can do is to make maemo developers to develop multitouch solutions for third party products. You said nothing about 2 patents for multitouch by Apple. You suggested nothing to make next edition of N810 a really hot market product. But you can still do something for users of Nokia Internet Tablet. Welcome page of the Nokia Internet Tablet Google Group http://tinyurl.com/nokiatablet has been removed/ deleted ... by ... ??? As Nokia Internet Tablet GG welcome page got edit-protected status by Google so this is hackers, Google , Google servers or to blame for that. You can call Google HQ requesting Welcome page at http://tinyurl.com/nokiatablet to be put back from Google GG backup. Of course, you can do what you wish, but it's very stupid idea to close maemo for multitouch solutions or just suggest anything like that. Multitouch is hot, very hot, so kinetics. You can't change market trends. Darius --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 10:41 PM 1) N 770 couldn't be multitouch this device don't exist. It s Nokia 770, it s not a nseries. 2) some people like found virtual keyboard useless. I hate this thing ... and many consider iPhone Hot ... specially when battery burn user. 3) Do you found iPhone multi touch usefull ? for what zooming/ unzomming ... and after ? Have you ever use it ? I must each time do thing 3 time to get a result. The +/- button on the n8x0 is far away better. 4) PDA by Asus are not hot, PDA by Samsung but HTC are Hot ... Blackberry are too ... do they use multitouch ? no. 5) What is trendy today is multitouch. What is trendy tommorrow is 3D gesture recognition. You think that is trendy ... i think this sucks today how it s implemented, mainly due to hardware. 6) I remember you that it s a dev mailing list, and i think i ll say that many other think : COULD YOU STOP SPAMMING THIS LIST ? THANKS ! -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/ 2008/9/2 Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, don't you think Nokia already lost 2 chances to go back to top with top cell phone models, having lost interest for N 770 ( first in the world multitouch Internet tablet). N 770 was really multitouch gizmo (just try to move web page with 2 fingers). Another models - N800, N810 went in another direction (keyboard) and market success of Apple with iPod Touch/ iPhone was even greater. Today Apple comes with another hot product - multitouch mini laptop. Please tell me frankly what makes Nokia to show no interest in development of multitouch gizmos, so hot and welcome by customers world-wide ? My friend from Sweden developed multitouch computers and arranged sale and presentation in Dubai. PDA by Asus are not hot, PDA by Samsung are not hot, hot are new cell phones. What ixs hot with iPhone is 0-mechanics gizmo, no mechanical button, no mechanical keyboard. What is a chance to have hot multitouch gizmo by Nokia in next few years ? Parents granted Apple for multitouch solutions still give room for Nokia and others to develop and implement other how multitouch solutions, still patentable. What is trendy today is multitouch. What is trendy tommorrow is 3D gesture recognition. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Sorry Simon, but it works as semi-multitouch. I have discovered this feature opening my Semantic WWW Magazines in maemo. With 2 fingers pressed I can move Welcome page horizontally, like in iPod Touch. Darius --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 3:49 PM Darius Jack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] N 770 ( first in the world multitouch Internet tablet). N 770 was really multitouch gizmo (just try to move web page with 2 fingers). You're wrong here: what you're seeing when pressing multiple fingers on the touchscreen is some kind of average position. Typically the mousepointer ends up in the middle between the two fingers pressing the screen, just try it in the drawing application. The scrolling in the webbrowser just made you believe that it would be doing something sensible, it really does not. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Hi, don't you think Nokia already lost 2 chances to go back to top with top cell phone models, having lost interest for N 770 ( first in the world multitouch Internet tablet). N 770 was really multitouch gizmo (just try to move web page with 2 fingers). Another models - N800, N810 went in another direction (keyboard) and market success of Apple with iPod Touch/ iPhone was even greater. Today Apple comes with another hot product - multitouch mini laptop. Please tell me frankly what makes Nokia to show no interest in development of multitouch gizmos, so hot and welcome by customers world-wide ? My friend from Sweden developed multitouch computers and arranged sale and presentation in Dubai. PDA by Asus are not hot, PDA by Samsung are not hot, hot are new cell phones. What ixs hot with iPhone is 0-mechanics gizmo, no mechanical button, no mechanical keyboard. What is a chance to have hot multitouch gizmo by Nokia in next few years ? Parents granted Apple for multitouch solutions still give room for Nokia and others to develop and implement other how multitouch solutions, still patentable. What is trendy today is multitouch. What is trendy tommorrow is 3D gesture recognition. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Nothing wrong ;) I have been developing basic multitouch applications for years. It was just to point out how close was Nokia to implement (to get the idea of) multitouch in N 770 (looking really smart, no mechanics on keyboard, no keyboard). And N 770 was touch screen, so many years before iPhone has been developed. Multitouch is trendy and hot and I am really surprised what makes Nokia not to implement multitouch into maemo. Darius --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 3:49 PM Darius Jack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] N 770 ( first in the world multitouch Internet tablet). N 770 was really multitouch gizmo (just try to move web page with 2 fingers). You're wrong here: what you're seeing when pressing multiple fingers on the touchscreen is some kind of average position. Typically the mousepointer ends up in the middle between the two fingers pressing the screen, just try it in the drawing application. The scrolling in the webbrowser just made you believe that it would be doing something sensible, it really does not. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] New standard to post to maemo-developers ?
Hi, is the above header required to post to maemo-developers today ? Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Maemo N810 + WDS + mesh network made of N810s, shell script to connect to AP ?
Hi, what is a chance to have N810 to run web server and have wifi lan to work in AP's mode , To have 2 N810n set to work as a transparent bridge , To have WDS installed on N810 , and finally, what code should I run in command line (shell script) to have N810 to connect automagically to a AP or more than 1 AP, to build a basic wifi mesh network ? I use wireless tools (some don't work) and can scan for APs. Ok. APs scanned, one AP selected. What command does command line connect to AP for N810 ? Thanks. Darius http://www.tinyurl.com/dariusjack Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Gizmo Project, Wifi Walkie-Talkie, Wifi VoIP Telephony, P2P VoIP - kind request
Hi, could you kindly tell me how to start with VOIP component in maemo ? I have installed Gizmo and works fine, voice quality ok. But I don't need central server . I need local server and ad-hoc peer-2-peer connectivity. Any way to setup Gizmo to run locally, no-server mode, no accessing databases, no charging as local-based wifi use only ? I an say nothing about Zigbee USB dongle to establish the wireless mesh backbone as not tested yet. To me , integrated antenna solution is not ok for wireless mesh backbone. There is a number of WDS-enabled routers/APs on a market and today called Apple to see how WDS-enabled AirPort works in mesh configuration (unfortunately not tested by local Apple staff ). I just need to know exactly how each specific WDS implementation works (no data yet) and decide or not to write iptables dynamic routing tables on my own. Graph theory for this problem is not really complicated. TSA for mesh networks is exactly what I need to modify to employ network loops for bandwidth management and load balancing. There is a number of self-configurable wireless mesh networks + hardware, decscribed on the net but details how it really works and how any such solution efficient is. I must learn a lot and can write some graphs to describe how I do expect such wireless mesh network should work for me. Some solutions just resemble work of standard switches, replacing LAN ports by wireless ports. Visited Cisco network manuals for standards and procotols again and have to write such protocol, dynamic rerouting , mesh selfconfiguration algorithms from the scratch on myself, drawing a graph of nodes (APs) and simulating connections made and packages tranfer. I did the like job developing Pipes and pipelines at Yahoo. Unfortunately , working alone, it may take me a month or so to learn what I really need and what can be accomplished with standard network hardware available on a market. WDS is my first try. Trying to contact WDS developers to discuss my problem. Thanks. Darius --- On Mon, 25/8/08, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gizmo Project, Wifi Walkie-Talkie, Wifi VoIP Telephony, P2P VoIP - kind request To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 25 August, 2008, 4:35 PM Darios, why not consider the development/use a Zigbee USB dongle to establish the wireless mesh backbone and go from there with the already existing VOIP components in maemo? Here is the url to an abstract of a recent article from the IEEE communications magazine that discusses Voice over Zigbee. http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=4427240 A solution like this may, in fact, be cleaner than trying to jam an 802.11 mesh router into maemo. I don't know of any Zigbee USB dongles that have been tested with the N800 or N810 but others on this list might have tried one out. Here is the url to the www page that describes one such Zigbee USB dongle: http://adaptivemodules.com/integration_ia_oem-daub1_2400.htm A quick scan of the data sheet for this product suggests that it can form a mesh with other nodes.It also has Linux drivers. Here is the url to the www page for the Adobe Acrobat .pdf of the data sheet: http://adaptivemodules.com/assets/File/integration_802-15-4_usb%20dongle.pdf Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * *Serving the SmartDigital^TM home, entrepreneurial enterprise, and emerging network service provider markets* * * *GSEC Gold, GCWN Gold, GAWN, GGSC-0100, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM*** *Cisco Select Certified Partner and SMB Specialist | **Microsoft Small Business Specialist | Speakeasy Certified VOIP Partner | Linksys Authorized LVS Partner | Qualys Certified Qualysguard Specialist* * * (M) 703 407 2278 (F) 703 620 5388 (W) www.acadiasecure.com primary email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] backup email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Darius Jack wrote: Hi, looking for developers, contact persons for pending P2P VOIP, Wifi Walkie-Talkie, Gizmo and the like project. What I am going to learn and work on is VOIP local telephony, like one developed by Robertson. Pls tell me if Gizmo P2P VOIP is still working, at what development state and how to have such project to work peer-2-peer in ad-hoc mode (meant locally, no server based). How to access a list of active users of Gizmo (meant available on and active). Just tested some users and voice recorder is all I can connect to. Any ideas are welcome too. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Gizmo Project, Wifi Walkie-Talkie, Wifi VoIP Telephony, P2P VoIP - kind request
Thanks. Miraki is an interesting solution. Route around interference Meraki protocols detect and route around interference sources like microwave ovens and portable phones. The mesh routing tables are dynamic and update in seconds. Could you provide me with more details how dynamic routing is done ? On Meraki Outdoor ? Three Devices in One The Meraki Outdoor is a high-powered device of many talents. It is a gateway, a repeater, and an access point and works with all other Meraki devices. Interesting is multi SSID feature. Just need user's manual to learn how wireless mesh networks by Meraki work Darius (sorry, replies directed to you stay in draft box). --- On Mon, 25/8/08, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gizmo Project, Wifi Walkie-Talkie, Wifi VoIP Telephony, P2P VoIP - kind request To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 25 August, 2008, 6:11 PM Darius, you might also want to look into what Meraki has done with single (802.11g) wireless mesh radio systems/products. http://meraki.com/ They recently secured additional VC so their www site has been upgraded along with their products! Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Darius Jack wrote: Hi, could you kindly tell me how to start with VOIP component in maemo ? I have installed Gizmo and works fine, voice quality ok. But I don't need central server . I need local server and ad-hoc peer-2-peer connectivity. Any way to setup Gizmo to run locally, no-server mode, no accessing databases, no charging as local-based wifi use only ? I an say nothing about Zigbee USB dongle to establish the wireless mesh backbone as not tested yet. To me , integrated antenna solution is not ok for wireless mesh backbone. There is a number of WDS-enabled routers/APs on a market and today called Apple to see how WDS-enabled AirPort works in mesh configuration (unfortunately not tested by local Apple staff ). I just need to know exactly how each specific WDS implementation works (no data yet) and decide or not to write iptables dynamic routing tables on my own. Graph theory for this problem is not really complicated. TSA for mesh networks is exactly what I need to modify to employ network loops for bandwidth management and load balancing. There is a number of self-configurable wireless mesh networks + hardware, decscribed on the net but details how it really works and how any such solution efficient is. I must learn a lot and can write some graphs to describe how I do expect such wireless mesh network should work for me. Some solutions just resemble work of standard switches, replacing LAN ports by wireless ports. Visited Cisco network manuals for standards and procotols again and have to write such protocol, dynamic rerouting , mesh selfconfiguration algorithms from the scratch on myself, drawing a graph of nodes (APs) and simulating connections made and packages tranfer. I did the like job developing Pipes and pipelines at Yahoo. Unfortunately , working alone, it may take me a month or so to learn what I really need and what can be accomplished with standard network hardware available on a market. WDS is my first try. Trying to contact WDS developers to discuss my problem. Thanks. Darius --- On Mon, 25/8/08, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gizmo Project, Wifi Walkie-Talkie, Wifi VoIP Telephony, P2P VoIP - kind request To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 25 August, 2008, 4:35 PM Darios, why not consider the development/use a Zigbee USB dongle to establish the wireless mesh backbone and go from there with the already existing VOIP components in maemo? Here is the url to an abstract of a recent article from the IEEE communications magazine that discusses Voice over Zigbee. http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=4427240 A solution like this may, in fact, be cleaner than trying to jam an 802.11 mesh router into maemo. I don't know of any Zigbee USB dongles that have been tested with the N800 or N810 but others on this list might have tried one out. Here is the url to the www page that describes one such Zigbee USB dongle: http://adaptivemodules.com/integration_ia_oem-daub1_2400.htm A quick scan of the data sheet for this product suggests that it can form a mesh with other nodes.It also has Linux drivers. Here is the url to the www page for the Adobe Acrobat .pdf of the data sheet: http://adaptivemodules.com/assets/File/integration_802-15-4_usb%20dongle.pdf Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * *Serving
Re: Dynamic iptables firewall NAT IP masquerade shell scripts + dialog - kind request
Hi John and others, spent last days learning how to manage bandwidth in my router + server. What I need is dynamic bandwidth management. To have 3 classes of wifi users. class 1 - superuser - full bandwidth access class 2 - users identified by MAC address class 3 - anonymous users (no MAC address preedited Darius --- On Fri, 25/7/08, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dynamic iptables firewall NAT IP masquerade shell scripts + dialog - kind request To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Friday, 25 July, 2008, 5:13 PM Darius, would a VNC client on your 770 be a solution to manage your systems? If not,why not? Alternatively you install a linux virtual machine on one of your systems and VNC into it from your 770 and then use that linux VM to control the servers in your server farm. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Darius Jack wrote: Hi, I am trying to restrict maemo wifi access to Internet on-the-fly and have one with admin's access ssh and have some preloaded shell scripts running on a server and the ability to edit shell scripts locally on maemo and sent to server to be run to avoid on-line shell script editing while wifi network is suddenly off. Ok. In plain words. I need OS2007HE (or OS2008) running 770 to act as a remote console for a number of servers and APs and to control some servers + AP remotely get traffic load data and more. Not necessary VNC . Going abroad I would like to still have a control of a server and AP, remote rebooting, remote ports closing, add/ remove MAC addresses and the like. So maemo as mobile Linux console. Any ideas, links to some scripting, dynamic iptables, firewall, NAT, masquerade thanks Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Gizmo Project, Wifi Walkie-Talkie, Wifi VoIP Telephony, P2P VoIP - kind request
Hi, looking for developers, contact persons for pending P2P VOIP, Wifi Walkie-Talkie, Gizmo and the like project. What I am going to learn and work on is VOIP local telephony, like one developed by Robertson. Pls tell me if Gizmo P2P VOIP is still working, at what development state and how to have such project to work peer-2-peer in ad-hoc mode (meant locally, no server based). How to access a list of active users of Gizmo (meant available on and active). Just tested some users and voice recorder is all I can connect to. Any ideas are welcome too. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Wirelesstools - how to write shell script like Select connection from maemo ?
--- On Thu, 21/8/08, Florian Boor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Florian Boor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Wirelesstools - how to write shell script like Select connection from maemo ? To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 21 August, 2008, 3:12 PM Hi, Darius Jack schrieb: could you tell me how to write shell script to emulate Select connection from maemo. Wirelesstools work in network connect state. What I need is open scanning for wifi networks, APs in not-connected state, scanning for essid, signal level and the like. Any way to set wirelesstools to work in not-connected state like Select connection from maemo ? I would not use wirelesstools for this in a Maemo environment. Take a look at the connectivity API: http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/libconic-0.16/ With libconic you should have a pretty good control about network connectivity and you stay compatible with the rest of the system. Greetings Florian -- The dream of yesterday Florian Boor is the hope of todayTel: +49 271-771091-15 and the reality of tomorrow.Fax: +49 271-771091-19 [Robert Hutchings Goddard, 1904] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1D78 2D4D 6C53 1CA4 5588 D07B A8E7 940C 25B7 9A76 Thanks Florian for your kind advice. I am afraid I need very basic wifi scanning tools to be run in shell script from time to time. Already contacted Collin R. Mulliner, asking for such feature. What I have got from the net #!/bin/sh #start network automagically case $1 in start ) /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 up /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 /usr/sbin/iwconfig wlan0 mode managed essid MY_SSID key My_KEY # No Default Route ;; stop ) : Do Nothing ;; * ) echo Unsupported Argument '$1' ;; esac exit 0 looks promissing if preceded by with wifi networks scanning code, I am just looking for. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.so
--- On Thu, 21/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.so To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 21 August, 2008, 12:16 AM On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Darius Jack wrote: any solution to a known problem ( a lot of entries in Google) (Linux + mysql + php ) mysql worked worked fine, testing mysql commands to create a user with select, usage privileges on a tabase.* and it worked on shutdown and reboot can't run mysql mysqld starts to run and stops, looking for a socket (none). Im guessing the fact the unix socket is in /tmp is a problem because /tmp is probably wiped during the boot process. Might be better off telling MySQL to use TCP sockets and bind to 127.0.0.1 instead. -- Aj. exactly, no socket in /tmp I don't think this error is atributed to any specific distribution as Google gives thousands of valid links when making query for ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server.. I still need smart working solution. One implemented like uninstall, install mysql back worked for me. Mayby I should write a shell script, save package to local disk first and on failed running of mysql to perform uninstall and install procedure back. Any other idea to set the issue self-repaired status ? Darius http://www.tinyurl.com/dariusjack Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Wirelesstools - how to write shell script like Select connection from maemo ?
--- On Fri, 22/8/08, Florian Boor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Florian Boor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Wirelesstools - how to write shell script like Select connection from maemo ? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Friday, 22 August, 2008, 11:45 AM Hi, Darius Jack schrieb: What I mean is shell script to emulate Select connection. Wirelesstools are ok. Unfortunately don't work in wifi-not-connected state. I see what you mean. You can take some control about the connectivity framework using dbus-send. Check out this thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/13694 What makes Wirelesstools not to be so friendly and nice to scan for existing wifi networks ? imho its just a conflict of two systems which control the same hardware. Greetings Florian -- The dream of yesterday Florian Boor is the hope of todayTel: +49 271-771091-15 and the reality of tomorrow.Fax: +49 271-771091-19 [Robert Hutchings Goddard, 1904] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1D78 2D4D 6C53 1CA4 5588 D07B A8E7 940C 25B7 9A76 Thanks Florian, already solved that problem and works fine. Wirelesstools are really great. Darius http://www.tinyurl.com/dariusjack Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Traffic control, load balancing, dynamic rerouting, QoS in wireless ad-hoc distribution systems ?
Hi, I am still looking for suitable tools , iptables, tc, babel protocols, TSA by Cisco/HP to setup elf-configurable wireless ad-hoc network with distributed and central bandwidth management, traffic control, load balancing and dynamic rerouting. Ok. There is a number of nice tools, packages, scripts but what I am looking for is a self-configurable ad-hoc WDS, providing some statistical control, graphical interface and replacing Tree Spanning Algorithm (network loop removing) by load balancing. So something really very basic and natural and sought, to have all APs to cooperate in forwarding packets/frames between clients and between clients connected to networks. Intelligent hand-over in ad-hoc setup WDS is just what need. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.so
--- On Thu, 21/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.so To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 21 August, 2008, 12:16 AM On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Darius Jack wrote: any solution to a known problem ( a lot of entries in Google) (Linux + mysql + php ) mysql worked worked fine, testing mysql commands to create a user with select, usage privileges on a tabase.* and it worked on shutdown and reboot can't run mysql mysqld starts to run and stops, looking for a socket (none). Im guessing the fact the unix socket is in /tmp is a problem because /tmp is probably wiped during the boot process. Might be better off telling MySQL to use TCP sockets and bind to 127.0.0.1 instead. -- Aj. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Wirelesstools - how to write shell script like Select connection from maemo ?
Hi, could you tell me how to write shell script to emulate Select connection from maemo. Wirelesstools work in network connect state. What I need is open scanning for wifi networks, APs in not-connected state, scanning for essid, signal level and the like. Any way to set wirelesstools to work in not-connected state like Select connection from maemo ? Thanks. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Wirelesstools - how to write shell script like Select connection from maemo ?
--- On Thu, 21/8/08, Florian Boor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Florian Boor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Wirelesstools - how to write shell script like Select connection from maemo ? To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 21 August, 2008, 3:12 PM Hi, Darius Jack schrieb: could you tell me how to write shell script to emulate Select connection from maemo. Wirelesstools work in network connect state. What I need is open scanning for wifi networks, APs in not-connected state, scanning for essid, signal level and the like. Any way to set wirelesstools to work in not-connected state like Select connection from maemo ? I would not use wirelesstools for this in a Maemo environment. Take a look at the connectivity API: http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/libconic-0.16/ With libconic you should have a pretty good control about network connectivity and you stay compatible with the rest of the system. Greetings Florian -- The dream of yesterday Florian Boor is the hope of todayTel: +49 271-771091-15 and the reality of tomorrow.Fax: +49 271-771091-19 [Robert Hutchings Goddard, 1904] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1D78 2D4D 6C53 1CA4 5588 D07B A8E7 940C 25B7 9A76 Thanks. What I mean is shell script to emulate Select connection. Wirelesstools are ok. Unfortunately don't work in wifi-not-connected state. What makes Wirelesstools not to be so friendly and nice to scan for existing wifi networks ? I need shell script for scanning wifi APs. Darius http://www.tinyurl.com/dariusjack Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.so
Hi, any solution to a known problem ( a lot of entries in Google) (Linux + mysql + php ) mysql worked worked fine, testing mysql commands to create a user with select, usage privileges on a tabase.* and it worked on shutdown and reboot can't run mysql mysqld starts to run and stops, looking for a socket (none). Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Memory card mmc changed status to Read only file system (30)
Thanks again. deleted swap connecting maemo to Windows, having no mmc2sd adapter. It still warned of corrupted memory , not reading Kingston mmc card. Baterry status bar disappeared. Finally it works. Created swap. Can copy/move files forth and back , delete files from /media/mmc1 directory. You are right: You disconnect the USB cable from PC without safely remove Exactly what I keep doing on a permanent basis. Battery status bar is back. Thanks. Darius http://www.tinyurl.com/dariusjack --- On Wed, 13/8/08, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Memory card mmc changed status to Read only file system (30) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008, 8:57 AM Hi, ext Darius Jack wrote: OS2007HE worked fine, run shell scripts, applications. Recently run wget in recursive mode. Download to flash memory. Learned how to recorsive download to media memory card (MMC). Copied downloaded html files from flash to memory card to make room on flash. And finally tried to remove wget downloaded files from media memory card and found out any, every, each file to be asterisked and can not be deleted. run mount from command line one entry for /media/mmc1 /dev/mcblk0.. on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw, noauto, nodev, noexec, nosuid, utf8, uid=2, shortname=mixed, dmask=000) chmod -x /media/mmc1 chmod: /media/mmc1: Read-only file system I gvet used media card to save maps in maemo mapper, today nbo chance to run maemo-mapper. Please tell me how to have /media/mmc1 back read-write file system, as changed nothing exceptionally to change status of media file system. Only known reason for this is that the memory card file system has gotten corrupted. When kernel notices this[1], it remounts the file system as read-only so that user cannot corrupt it more. The file system can get corrupted if: - You disconnect the USB cable from PC without safely remove - You take the memory card out when it's reported as being in use (when you open the card cover) - You take the battery out - Device HW watchdog resets the device while the card is being written or it otherwise has data which hasn't been completely written to the card when above things are done. For example streaming flash/video, browser/package downloads, downloads to mail folder that's on memory card, map tile downloads configured to be saved on memory card etc can use memory card extensively. From XTerm you can run dosfsck -n /dev/mcblk0.. to check the file system. Repair can be done in the device from the File manager[2] (or as root with dosfsck), or from PC either using a card reader or when the device USB cable is connected (at least with Linux it's better to unmount the card from PC side before repair though). - Eero [1] Kernel notices the corruption only when some information in the file system is clearly wrong. File system consistency is not checked when the card is mounted (neither in Linux nor Windows either for removable devices). [2] With large full card consistency check / repair can take several minutes and fail because it requires more memory than is available on the device. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Host AP driver for Wifi Wlan ?
Hi, working hard on dynamic rerouting for wifi mesh networks I would welcome host AP driver for maemo to let me run 2 Wifi sessions in parallel (what is already oferred by bluetooth drivers - 6 connections). Any chance to implement such solution into maemo ? darius http://ww.tinyurl.com/dariusjack Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Dynamic rerouting - Inter-WiFi handover - how to implement for maemo ?
Hi, I have a number of routers, number of WiFi APs (bridges) and would like to set up a small testing bed for WiFi mesh with Inter-WiFi handover , like in cell telephony. There is a number of market solutions, unfortunately none to be declared to be working with my WiFi APs, servers, routers. I just need to use maemo N810 to move on the-fly between WiFi APs and hsave uninterrupted voice, multimedia brodcasting delivery two-way chat (Skype and the like) two-way video like in 3G networks. Nothing special. What I need is a helpful hand to implement some shell scripts on server to perform intelligent dynamic rerouting and rerouting mapping and have distributed or central control managment system like in cell telephony. Ok. I can describe in details how cell telephony works, inter-base stations handover and the like. The problem is I am not much experienced to implement such solutions into Wifi mesh. If you are interested in my project please join , discuss or refer me to ready-made solutions, reference materials, manuals and HOW TO - like sources and resources. Why maemo ? Maemo is Linux based embedded device so there is a chance to run tests and discuss the stuff in open. Darius tinyurl.com/dariusjack Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PIL and camera.py
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Re: Memory card mmc changed status to Read only file system (30)
Thanks Eero, fs is FAT32 (/media/mmc1 ) File manager doesn't have any repair tool. One option is Memory card Kingston Format/ Rename (I don't want just to format) Tools Backup/Restore Search or Help dosfsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 FAT 32 File system has -7 clusters but only space for 5830 FAT entries (2GB mmc card) dosfsck -a /dev/mmcblk0 FAT32 Logical sector size is zero. Darius --- On Wed, 13/8/08, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Memory card mmc changed status to Read only file system (30) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008, 8:57 AM Hi, ext Darius Jack wrote: OS2007HE worked fine, run shell scripts, applications. Recently run wget in recursive mode. Download to flash memory. Learned how to recorsive download to media memory card (MMC). Copied downloaded html files from flash to memory card to make room on flash. And finally tried to remove wget downloaded files from media memory card and found out any, every, each file to be asterisked and can not be deleted. run mount from command line one entry for /media/mmc1 /dev/mcblk0.. on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw, noauto, nodev, noexec, nosuid, utf8, uid=2, shortname=mixed, dmask=000) chmod -x /media/mmc1 chmod: /media/mmc1: Read-only file system I gvet used media card to save maps in maemo mapper, today nbo chance to run maemo-mapper. Please tell me how to have /media/mmc1 back read-write file system, as changed nothing exceptionally to change status of media file system. Only known reason for this is that the memory card file system has gotten corrupted. When kernel notices this[1], it remounts the file system as read-only so that user cannot corrupt it more. The file system can get corrupted if: - You disconnect the USB cable from PC without safely remove - You take the memory card out when it's reported as being in use (when you open the card cover) - You take the battery out - Device HW watchdog resets the device while the card is being written or it otherwise has data which hasn't been completely written to the card when above things are done. For example streaming flash/video, browser/package downloads, downloads to mail folder that's on memory card, map tile downloads configured to be saved on memory card etc can use memory card extensively. From XTerm you can run dosfsck -n /dev/mcblk0.. to check the file system. Repair can be done in the device from the File manager[2] (or as root with dosfsck), or from PC either using a card reader or when the device USB cable is connected (at least with Linux it's better to unmount the card from PC side before repair though). - Eero [1] Kernel notices the corruption only when some information in the file system is clearly wrong. File system consistency is not checked when the card is mounted (neither in Linux nor Windows either for removable devices). [2] With large full card consistency check / repair can take several minutes and fail because it requires more memory than is available on the device. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Memory card mmc changed status to Read only file system (30)
Hi, OS2007HE worked fine, run shell scripts, applications. Recently run wget in recursive mode. Download to flash memory. Learned how to recorsive download to media memory card (MMC). Copied downloaded html files from flash to memory card to make room on flash. And finally tried to remove wget downloaded files from media memory card and found out any, every, each file to be asterisked and can not be deleted. run mount from command line one entry for /media/mmc1 /dev/mcblk0.. on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw, noauto, nodev, noexec, nosuid, utf8, uid=2, shortname=mixed, dmask=000) chmod -x /media/mmc1 chmod: /media/mmc1: Read-only file system I gvet used media card to save maps in maemo mapper, today nbo chance to run maemo-mapper. Please tell me how to have /media/mmc1 back read-write file system, as changed nothing exceptionally to change status of media file system. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
How to read gps data and save them to text file on-the-fly ?
Hi, ok, was asked earlier, what is a nice, simple solution, working script to read fix gps data gpsd + script ? Thanks. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Navigating on OSM data on maemo
Hi, as Google Maps provides on-line routing please tell me why on-line routing as add-on has not been incorporated into maemo-mapper yet ? Ok. I am fully aware of ToS by Google. But project is project, on-line Wifi/ Internet access is another issue. Frankly speaking there is no relation between routing and type of maps (vector or bitmaps) in use as Google's server generates on-line routing as z-layer onto already downloaded bitmap maps So all what should be done is to use maemo-mapper with Google Maps as previously and have proxy server to enable routing downloading from Google's server from time to time (Internet access is provided). There is a number of such applications in operation and Internet access is granted via cell phone / GPRS. So Google Maps can be preloaded before your travel and routing data than come live as array data. Ok. The issue is you wish to visualize routing on maps or just want to listen to travel direction commands and have them in printed form. I worked 3 years with Google Maps as a developer and can help if you are interested to have live routing in maemo (maemo-mapper or just another application). No need for vector maps to have live routing (as explained above). Please contact me to setup a small team as I need open source navigation +routing for another project. I only need to know if maemo and its OS as GUI is not to slow to generate routing live. Darius --- On Tue, 5/8/08, Christoph Eckert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Christoph Eckert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Navigating on OSM data on maemo To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Tuesday, 5 August, 2008, 11:16 PM Hi, I am wondering if currently anybody is working actively on porting navigation software with offline routing to maemo with osm data. I know that somebody worked on navit somebody else on Gosmore, but I have not seen updates since a long time...is there anything else going on? Navit could be a perfect companion on Maemo. Compiles, runs and routes nicely - as long as there's no gps signal... :( Unfortunately it frequently freezes as soon as gpsd is running. Unfortunately my C knowledge is rather nonexistent so I cannot debug or improve this behaviour. There are (rather dated) packages on [1]. The author asks for patience regarding updates as he's working on some stuff. Best regards, ce [1] http://tecdencia.net/navit/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Dynamic iptables firewall NAT IP masquerade shell scripts + dialog - kind request
Hi John, thanks for your kind help. Frankly speaking, what I mean is Dialog interface to iptables, bandwidth managment, firewall, NAT As dialog is fast, not generating overheads to processor and graphics, code is open as a shell script. I just need 1-2 persons to work out a solution. Very simple solution. No compilation, no installation, no porting problems. Just pls tell me what do you think about it. Is Dialog not ok to enter parameters to shell scripts running iptables, firewall, NAT, Masquarade ? I am just testing one bandwidth management application, but frankly speaking would prefer another shell script based on iptables to set priorities. Darius \ - On Sat, 2/8/08, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dynamic iptables firewall NAT IP masquerade shell scripts + dialog - kind request To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Saturday, 2 August, 2008, 10:18 PM Darius, your earlier post led me to research a product called Kmyfirewall which is a GUI based front end for iptables that is designed for KDE. I asked the develolper if he knew of anyone attempting to port the front end to the Internet tabled but he does not know of any such attempt. Here also is the sourceforge www page for the project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmyfirewall If I understand correctly it sounds like you one and perhaps 2 issues to address: 1. Traffic Shaping for 802.11 clients to a given 802.11 AP on your network. 2. A convenient way to remotely manage your network using the Internet Tablet as a management terminal (e.g. using SSH, VNC,or RDP, etc.) communicating with your network through the Internet, itself accessed from your Internet tablet via Bluetooth/3G, Bluetooth/evdo, or 802.11 to a public or private 802.11 Access Point (e.g. hot spot). Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * *Serving the SmartDigital^TM home, entrepreneurial enterprise, and emerging network service provider markets* * * *GSEC Gold, GCWN Gold, GAWN, GGSC-0100, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM*** *Cisco Select Certified Partner and SMB Specialist | **Microsoft Small Business Specialist | Speakeasy Certified VOIP Partner | Linksys Authorized LVS Partner | Qualys Certified Qualysguard Specialist* * * (M) 703 407 2278 (F) 703 620 5388 (W) www.acadiasecure.com primary email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] backup email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Darius Jack wrote: Hi John and others, spent last days learning how to manage bandwidth in my router + server. What I need is dynamic bandwidth management. To have 3 classes of wifi users. class 1 - superuser - full bandwidth access class 2 - users identified by MAC address class 3 - anonymous users (no MAC address entered) What I get with iptables, wshaper is wan/lan bandwidth management. What I need is wlan bandwidth management by users no. , by application, by time of day, date and the like. Remotely assigning wifi access without the need to rebot server each time. Ok. I can run iptables from command line anyway. But need a nice tool with basic graphical interface (dialog is ok) and append and remove/ delete MAC address, to generate iptables rules, when run as a shell script . Another issue is I need my router + server to access wifi Internet as a client and share the same access to wifi clients as a server, with bandwidth management on. Please refer me to some nice places with shell script solutions. thanks Darius --- On Fri, 25/7/08, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dynamic iptables firewall NAT IP masquerade shell scripts + dialog - kind request To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Friday, 25 July, 2008, 5:13 PM Darius, would a VNC client on your 770 be a solution to manage your systems? If not,why not? Alternatively you install a linux virtual machine on one of your systems and VNC into it from your 770 and then use that linux VM to control the servers in your server farm. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Darius Jack wrote: Hi, I am trying to restrict maemo wifi access to Internet on-the-fly and have one with admin's access ssh and have some preloaded shell scripts running on a server and the ability to edit shell scripts locally on maemo and sent to server to be run to avoid on-line shell script editing while wifi network is suddenly off. Ok. In plain words. I need OS2007HE (or OS2008) running 770 to act as a remote console for a number of servers and APs
Re: Dynamic iptables firewall NAT IP masquerade shell scripts + dialog - kind request
Hi John and others, spent last days learning how to manage bandwidth in my router + server. What I need is dynamic bandwidth management. To have 3 classes of wifi users. class 1 - superuser - full bandwidth access class 2 - users identified by MAC address class 3 - anonymous users (no MAC address entered) What I get with iptables, wshaper is wan/lan bandwidth management. What I need is wlan bandwidth management by users no. , by application, by time of day, date and the like. Remotely assigning wifi access without the need to rebot server each time. Ok. I can run iptables from command line anyway. But need a nice tool with basic graphical interface (dialog is ok) and append and remove/ delete MAC address, to generate iptables rules, when run as a shell script . Another issue is I need my router + server to access wifi Internet as a client and share the same access to wifi clients as a server, with bandwidth management on. Please refer me to some nice places with shell script solutions. thanks Darius --- On Fri, 25/7/08, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dynamic iptables firewall NAT IP masquerade shell scripts + dialog - kind request To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Friday, 25 July, 2008, 5:13 PM Darius, would a VNC client on your 770 be a solution to manage your systems? If not,why not? Alternatively you install a linux virtual machine on one of your systems and VNC into it from your 770 and then use that linux VM to control the servers in your server farm. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Darius Jack wrote: Hi, I am trying to restrict maemo wifi access to Internet on-the-fly and have one with admin's access ssh and have some preloaded shell scripts running on a server and the ability to edit shell scripts locally on maemo and sent to server to be run to avoid on-line shell script editing while wifi network is suddenly off. Ok. In plain words. I need OS2007HE (or OS2008) running 770 to act as a remote console for a number of servers and APs and to control some servers + AP remotely get traffic load data and more. Not necessary VNC . Going abroad I would like to still have a control of a server and AP, remote rebooting, remote ports closing, add/ remove MAC addresses and the like. So maemo as mobile Linux console. Any ideas, links to some scripting, dynamic iptables, firewall, NAT, masquerade thanks Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Dynamic iptables firewall NAT IP masquerade shell scripts + dialog - kind request
Hi, I am trying to restrict maemo wifi access to Internet on-the-fly and have one with admin's access ssh and have some preloaded shell scripts running on a server and the ability to edit shell scripts locally on maemo and sent to server to be run to avoid on-line shell script editing while wifi network is suddenly off. Ok. In plain words. I need OS2007HE (or OS2008) running 770 to act as a remote console for a number of servers and APs and to control some servers + AP remotely get traffic load data and more. Not necessary VNC . Going abroad I would like to still have a control of a server and AP, remote rebooting, remote ports closing, add/ remove MAC addresses and the like. So maemo as mobile Linux console. Any ideas, links to some scripting, dynamic iptables, firewall, NAT, masquerade thanks Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Dynamic iptables firewall NAT IP masquerade shell scripts + dialog - kind request
Hi, thanks for kind reply. I meant a solution like that http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-fw/index.html and have some virtual www servers run on a server and have shell scripts to do redirect/ make switching between www servers (virtual farm). Set wifi timeouts and band management for each MAC address. The issue is what happens once Internet /wifi access is lost on my maemo console in VNC mode. I can handle very basic solutions, as maemo hangs on from time to time. Recently can't load Media Streamer (loading loading loading ... and no more). Are you aware of such use of maemo as a mobile Linux console (VNC, ssh ...) ? darius --- On Fri, 25/7/08, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dynamic iptables firewall NAT IP masquerade shell scripts + dialog - kind request To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Friday, 25 July, 2008, 5:13 PM Darius, would a VNC client on your 770 be a solution to manage your systems? If not,why not? Alternatively you install a linux virtual machine on one of your systems and VNC into it from your 770 and then use that linux VM to control the servers in your server farm. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Darius Jack wrote: Hi, I am trying to restrict maemo wifi access to Internet on-the-fly and have one with admin's access ssh and have some preloaded shell scripts running on a server and the ability to edit shell scripts locally on maemo and sent to server to be run to avoid on-line shell script editing while wifi network is suddenly off. Ok. In plain words. I need OS2007HE (or OS2008) running 770 to act as a remote console for a number of servers and APs and to control some servers + AP remotely get traffic load data and more. Not necessary VNC . Going abroad I would like to still have a control of a server and AP, remote rebooting, remote ports closing, add/ remove MAC addresses and the like. So maemo as mobile Linux console. Any ideas, links to some scripting, dynamic iptables, firewall, NAT, masquerade thanks Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to fire up gps daemon from command line - wanna build GPS app on N810
Hi, welcome in the Command Line Club. Me too interested to fire up gps from terminal. I did so under XP Windows having usb gps flooding with NMEA sentences. Ok. What I need is shell script parser to extract and read geodata from NMEA stream. As I remember one should read fix data. Darius --- On Sat, 19/7/08, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How to fire up gps daemon from command line - wanna build GPS app on N810 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Saturday, 19 July, 2008, 6:50 AM I am new to maemo development and just got an N810. I have found out that if the gps daemon is started, it will stream NMEA ascii to a pseudo-tty which I can then easily read. However, in my tinkering, the way I started the daemon was to fire off the Nokia mapping app. But when I did a tail -f on the tty, after a few seconds the feed stopped. I suspect the mapping app was no longer getting data once I was tailing the tty, and shut down the daemon. Ideas? Thanks John in Phoenix, AZ, USA___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Command Line Club - please join / interactive man pages project (dialog + shell)
Command Line Club Hi, as I use my 770 as mobile Linux station would welcome your advice on how to install interactive man pages on 770, not exactly htmlized version by Lynx but something more sophisticated. Man pages syntax parser for each Linux command, showing valid options, valid parameters and valid syntax. My choice is dialog + shell scripts . Source is Linux man pages. One example to rewrite is Date help Usage: date [OPTION]... [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY[.ss]] [+FORMAT] to be given man pages notation what options what parameters line by line completed by valid syntax examples. Project is intended as another Linux for Dummies , for high school students revitalizing 770 devices. Please let me know your opinion. Thanks Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo Summit Participant photos...
Trying to connect to your website I get the following error in Firefox sec_error_expired_certificate --- On Thu, 17/7/08, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Maemo Summit Participant photos... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 17 July, 2008, 6:57 PM All, Those in attendance, please post a photo of yourself here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Participant_Photos Tim --- Weblog ~ http://tim.samoff.com Kidblog ~ http://kc.samoff.com Photography ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/timsamoff Film ~ http://www.youtube.com/timsamoff___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Shell script copyrights - kind request
Hi, I have noticed the following copyrights entries in shell scripts: no notice GPL copyrighted copyrighted .. Could you kindly tell if shell script is covered by GPL, should be covered by GPL or is non-GPL at discretion of the developer and please refer me to some nice webpages referring this issue. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Looking for a nice example of midnight commander menu in dialog script
Hi, back for high school education Looking for a nice, working example/ demo of midnight commander menus in dialog script or prefer refer me to a nice website with alike examples of dialog scripts working on maemo. Is it possible to rewrite Midnight Commander in dialog script as a whole ? Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Looking for donators of some Nokia tablets (from 770 up) for high school project
Hi, looking for donators of some used/new (old 770 and up) Nokia Internet Tablet to complete some tests in high school project (project by students). Very basic project. And to make some interaction tests for 5-10 users of Nokia Tablets. Already visited eBay, local eBays and more. The issue is the tests can be run by one month only. So to buy 5-10 used/new units for tests it is still a money and a little chance to sell them immediately on eBay back. Frankly speaking I would prefer leasing 10 units from Nokia for tests, providing press coverage and more. Please let me know your opinion. As you are fully aware there is no chance to get 5-10 old working units at once at one place. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Media Streamer played, played and stopped to install
Hi, pls tell me what can stop loading Media Streamer. 1-2 days ago played media streams from UPnP and today nothing, can not run Media Streamer at all. Ok. Can uninstall and install back. But pls tell me what can stop MS from running. Ok. Tested MS from command line while running MS in GUI and got errors line by line but ?? Unfortunately have no local access to AP right now to download and install Media Streamer again. Learned how to play media files from ftp://.. have to test with wget and cache size set properly. Thanks. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Can you play mp3 files in mplayer command line as wget ftp.... / pipe mplayer ?
Please test the following example it doesn't work for me. mp3 is always saved. Mayby memory problem./ Darius __ MPlayer can read from stdin (not named pipes). This can for example be used to play from FTP: wget ftp://micorsops.com/something.avi -O - | mplayer - Note It is also recommended to enable -cache when playing from the network: wget ftp://micorsops.com/something.avi -O - | mplayer -cache 8192 - Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Streaming video through Gstreamer
Hi, today I tested Media Streamer (in player) and it works fine with mp3 files. Some problems with avi files, failed to open any. Can you tell me what video file format, codecs are supported ? Just downloaded some demo avi files from the net and none opened in Media Streamer, buferring was ok and then error message. btw is Media Streamer a stream player or both (run from a command line). If the first option is valid , as I assume. How to run Media Streamer from a command line , or how to make Mplayer to play audio files from Samba server (ftp) It opens http:/./*.mp3 but can't play ftp://?*.mp3 Ok. Another open option is to use Media Streamer in command line is option is open. Please refer me to a nice place, providing more details (already visited Google). Darius Darius --- On Thu, 10/7/08, Merrick Fonnesbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Merrick Fonnesbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Streaming video through Gstreamer To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 10 July, 2008, 3:57 PM Hello, I have found the command line arguments to gst-launch that allow you to send streaming video data to another N800/N810 device and I have gotten that working between two devices. But how do you code that in C with Gstreamer code? I've gotten the following command line stuff to work: gst-launch v4l2src ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=176,height=144,framerate=8/1 ! hantro4200enc ! rtph263pay ! udpsink host=remote device port=5434 But what code do I use, as in combination of plugins, to do the same thing through Gstreamer in my GTK/Hildon application that I am building? I've looked through the test3v.c file in farsight's library test code and it doesn't seem to be using the Gstreamer pipline elements as the command line seems to use. If someone will please guide me on the right track I would appreciate it. I am trying to get into this new world of programming for Nokia devices and it's all very overwhelming. Thanks. Mfonnesbeck___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Streaming video through Gstreamer
Thanks. I tested webcam video streaming from MS Windows XP to OS2007HE, using Media Streamer as a viewer in non-command-line-mode (so as GUI app) Today I need something already described below. Command line mode in Media Streamer (meant stream reader) http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/getting_started_with_multimedia.html http://www.linuxrising.org/gstreamer-maemo-howto.html Could you tell if your are using Media Streamer as a video stream from webcam player or some other application ? Ort how to run Media Streamer in command-line -mode with few examples ? Darius --- On Thu, 10/7/08, Merrick Fonnesbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Merrick Fonnesbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Streaming video through Gstreamer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 10 July, 2008, 4:56 PM On the Nokia N800 I installed an x-terminal command window environment and launched Gstreamer, using the commands I showed before, from there. I have another command line script that I run through a terminal window on my other N800 device which listens for incoming connections and launches a graphical window on the device it's going to and displays a box that shows what the first N800 camera is capturing. So I'm not streaming a video file, but video from the camera. From: Darius Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 7/10/2008 8:35 AM To: maemo-developers@maemo.org; Merrick Fonnesbeck Subject: Re: Streaming video through Gstreamer Hi, today I tested Media Streamer (in player) and it works fine with mp3 files. Some problems with avi files, failed to open any. Can you tell me what video file format, codecs are supported ? Just downloaded some demo avi files from the net and none opened in Media Streamer, buferring was ok and then error message. btw is Media Streamer a stream player or both (run from a command line). If the first option is valid , as I assume. How to run Media Streamer from a command line , or how to make Mplayer to play audio files from Samba server (ftp) It opens http:/./*.mp3 but can't play ftp://?*.mp3 Ok. Another open option is to use Media Streamer in command line is option is open. Please refer me to a nice place, providing more details (already visited Google). Darius Darius --- On Thu, 10/7/08, Merrick Fonnesbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Merrick Fonnesbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Streaming video through Gstreamer To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 10 July, 2008, 3:57 PM Hello, I have found the command line arguments to gst-launch that allow you to send streaming video data to another N800/N810 device and I have gotten that working between two devices. But how do you code that in C with Gstreamer code? I've gotten the following command line stuff to work: gst-launch v4l2src ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=176,height=144,framerate=8/1 ! hantro4200enc ! rtph263pay ! udpsink host=remote device port=5434 But what code do I use, as in combination of plugins, to do the same thing through Gstreamer in my GTK/Hildon application that I am building? I've looked through the test3v.c file in farsight's library test code and it doesn't seem to be using the Gstreamer pipline elements as the command line seems to use. If someone will please guide me on the right track I would appreciate it. I am trying to get into this new world of programming for Nokia devices and it's all very overwhelming. Thanks. Mfonnesbeck___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Shell API to call maemo-mapper commands, functions, options ?
Thanks. As hardware keys are already supported it's a matter of other features with virtual keyboard access enabled. Yes. I have considered paying for upgrade of maemo-mapper. Could you kindly tell me how GPL application can be made commercial and how much should I pay for other features made public available with source code anyway. As I said previously. I need to build personalized interface. Darius --- On Mon, 7/7/08, gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Shell API to call maemo-mapper commands, functions, options ? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED], Maemo developers mailing-list maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 7 July, 2008, 9:05 PM Darius, Have you considered paying for the upgrade to the mapper application itself? It might already have the features you require and be commercially supported. One thing which puzzles me about what you are attempting to achieve however is how you can use the console whilst driving? Gary (lcuk on #maemo) On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Eero, xnee MS Windows like macro record play facility is ok. Tried to install from repositories, none for OS2007HE. Frankly speaking what I need as macro on-the-fly composer to generate macro commands and have them played in xnee for maemo-mapper, from time to time. So I need to know if there is a way to have some standard m-m macros prerecorded/saved and modify them and make them playable in xnee to get D-BUS API para-functionality. I would like to have track saving enabled/disabled from time to time by macro sceript and the like to make maemo-mapper more user friendly. The same problem exist with other GPS car navigation devices. To many, to much clicks to make a right option selection. This is all about Interfaces and Interfacing , HID. To let the main application to be run as it runs and give adaptative modified interfaces to a user. So to move GUI HID to D-BUS like in mplayer run from command line. Nowadays, GUI applications are more click-and-click applications than intelligent HID ones. Maemo-mapper is my only way to build HID interface. Have you tried to run maemo-mapper from XNEE macro generated on-the-fly by events ? Darius --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Shell API to call maemo-mapper commands, functions, options ? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Maemo developers mailing-list maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 7 July, 2008, 6:05 PM Hi, ext Darius Jack wrote: what I really need is shell script to emulate GUI actions in maemo-mapper. Any chance to have shell script to interact with maemo-mapper basic functions/commands ? Frankly speaking I would like to add few more options, have more selection choices, nothing special. User friendly shell API is what I need. If you are aware how to run maemo-mapper from a command line with options, please tell me how. Ok. I can run maemo-mapper from a command line. Any chance to have fifo pipe and send parameters from command line to maemo-mapper already running. What I like is exactly what I did in shell with mplayer. To decrease volume level I press 9 -4% down pressing 0 get 2% volume up rise. Sorry for such basic questions but I would greatly appreciate your advice. If the program doesn't have e.g. D-BUS API, you can always record the required user input events with Xnee and play them back. This requires that the application is in known state though[1]. If you need only single (stylus or key) event, then you could use also xresponse. Both of these can be gotten from the maemo tools repo: http://maemo.org/development/tools/ - Eero [1] If this isn't known, Gtk UIs can be introspected through its accessibility APIs, but that's starting to be *a lot* of effort (Atk bridge requires Bonobo/Corba on the device). Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Shell API to call maemo-mapper commands, functions, options ?
Hi, what I really need is shell script to emulate GUI actions in maemo-mapper. Any chance to have shell script to interact with maemo-mapper basic functions/commands ? Frankly speaking I would like to add few more options, have more selection choices, nothing special. User friendly shell API is what I need. If you are aware how to run maemo-mapper from a command line with options, please tell me how. Ok. I can run maemo-mapper from a command line. Any chance to have fifo pipe and send parameters from command line to maemo-mapper already running. What I like is exactly what I did in shell with mplayer. To decrease volume level I press 9 -4% down pressing 0 get 2% volume up rise. Sorry for such basic questions but I would greatly appreciate your advice. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: implementation of 2-dimensional array in bash - kind request
Thanks. You are right as always. I am trying to master dialog and for my tiny application bash + 2D arrays + dialog should suffice. Darius --- On Sun, 6/7/08, Kees Jongenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kees Jongenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: implementation of 2-dimensional array in bash - kind request To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Maemo developers mailing-list maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Sunday, 6 July, 2008, 11:37 AM Hello Darius, On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and have 2D array inmterpreted as one row. so calculating array2D ( ) i-th j-th element as i + (j-1) x row length I agree with Igor what using bash or even better a POSIX shell would be a little insane. Still Dave Taylor have a serries on linuxjounral about shell programming (creating a card game/arrat manipulation) see http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8704 I think you might find it useful. greetings, P.S. can you stop sending the Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com; in every and each mail? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Shell API to call maemo-mapper commands, functions, options ?
Thanks Eero, xnee MS Windows like macro record play facility is ok. Tried to install from repositories, none for OS2007HE. Frankly speaking what I need as macro on-the-fly composer to generate macro commands and have them played in xnee for maemo-mapper, from time to time. So I need to know if there is a way to have some standard m-m macros prerecorded/saved and modify them and make them playable in xnee to get D-BUS API para-functionality. I would like to have track saving enabled/disabled from time to time by macro sceript and the like to make maemo-mapper more user friendly. The same problem exist with other GPS car navigation devices. To many, to much clicks to make a right option selection. This is all about Interfaces and Interfacing , HID. To let the main application to be run as it runs and give adaptative modified interfaces to a user. So to move GUI HID to D-BUS like in mplayer run from command line. Nowadays, GUI applications are more click-and-click applications than intelligent HID ones. Maemo-mapper is my only way to build HID interface. Have you tried to run maemo-mapper from XNEE macro generated on-the-fly by events ? Darius --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Shell API to call maemo-mapper commands, functions, options ? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Maemo developers mailing-list maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 7 July, 2008, 6:05 PM Hi, ext Darius Jack wrote: what I really need is shell script to emulate GUI actions in maemo-mapper. Any chance to have shell script to interact with maemo-mapper basic functions/commands ? Frankly speaking I would like to add few more options, have more selection choices, nothing special. User friendly shell API is what I need. If you are aware how to run maemo-mapper from a command line with options, please tell me how. Ok. I can run maemo-mapper from a command line. Any chance to have fifo pipe and send parameters from command line to maemo-mapper already running. What I like is exactly what I did in shell with mplayer. To decrease volume level I press 9 -4% down pressing 0 get 2% volume up rise. Sorry for such basic questions but I would greatly appreciate your advice. If the program doesn't have e.g. D-BUS API, you can always record the required user input events with Xnee and play them back. This requires that the application is in known state though[1]. If you need only single (stylus or key) event, then you could use also xresponse. Both of these can be gotten from the maemo tools repo: http://maemo.org/development/tools/ - Eero [1] If this isn't known, Gtk UIs can be introspected through its accessibility APIs, but that's starting to be *a lot* of effort (Atk bridge requires Bonobo/Corba on the device). Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
implementation of 2-dimensional array in bash - kind request
Hi,
my idea is to declare a function
array2D ( )
{ }
and have 2D array inmterpreted as one row.
so calculating
array2D ( ) i-th j-th element
as i + (j-1) x row length
1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5
so ith (ith column) element in 3rd row
is 2 x 5 + i
Can I call such declared function in bash if/for/while command
to update my array data ?
I need such 2D array to save gps data and more.
Darius
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GPS + Python + POI database + sqlite - small project , need your help
Hi, just completed 2 projecvts, in Semantic Multimedia and Geolocation. Now need your help and advice in pursuing GPS + Python + POI + sqlite - non-GUI project. Now I need to learn how to read GPS data from gpsd Python ?) process them and save into db as a track, build POI database and more Maemo-mapper already does all the above, unfortunately it is one-man closed project, assissted by Cezary (POI database). Please tell me know to start. - GPS data acquisition data logging as xml file (parser) Than I need to build a basic database logging gps data + some instrument data like sound level, temperature, sun intensity level and more to make Google Maps. Your comments, advise, help is welcome. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: GPS + Python + POI database + sqlite - small project , need your help
Thanks. But I need to start from the basics, logging GPS data into a file. Maemo-mapper is great project, application. I still wonder why nobody developed new features to fit it. So shell script application only. GPSD update from http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/31553 is not installable under OS2007HE Source for gpsd already installed with maemo-mapper http://gpsd.berlios.de/ Python GIS http://www.pygps.org/ GPSDrive http://www.gpsdrive.de/download.shtml GPS Navigator http://www.gnustep.it/enrico/position/ and finally Kismet, http://www.kismetwireless.net/ Any chance to have Kismet to work with gpsd and log gps data in xml format - OS2007HE ? Frankly speaking would welcome to see third party application enhancement to maemo-mapper, based on the below source code. There is a long list of features I would like to be incorporated, to make maemo-mapper No.1 in GPS navigation (free open source) one day. Darius --- On Thu, 3/7/08, Frank Banul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frank Banul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GPS + Python + POI database + sqlite - small project , need your help To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Maemo developers mailing-list maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 3 July, 2008, 6:26 PM Hi, Is this source suitable? http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/source/m/maemo-mapper/maemo-mapper_2.4.1-os2008.tar.gz Frank On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, just completed 2 projecvts, in Semantic Multimedia and Geolocation. Now need your help and advice in pursuing GPS + Python + POI + sqlite - non-GUI project. Now I need to learn how to read GPS data from gpsd Python ?) process them and save into db as a track, build POI database and more Maemo-mapper already does all the above, unfortunately it is one-man closed project, assissted by Cezary (POI database). Please tell me know to start. - GPS data acquisition data logging as xml file (parser) Than I need to build a basic database logging gps data + some instrument data like sound level, temperature, sun intensity level and more to make Google Maps. Your comments, advise, help is welcome. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: GPS + Python + POI database + sqlite - small project , need your help
Thanks. I would like to see it working on maemo. Personally have to start with Kismet as it already saves gps in xml file format. I can remove other data entries and parse xml with txt file logging data from measuring instrument on another device. Now sure if kismet supports gps logging under OS2007HE. Thanks. Darius --- On Thu, 3/7/08, Ian Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ian Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GPS + Python + POI database + sqlite - small project , need your help To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Maemo developers mailing-list maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Thursday, 3 July, 2008, 7:43 PM Hey, Source for gpsd already installed with maemo-mapper http://gpsd.berlios.de/ There are some reasons why gpsd might not be the best for resource constrained devices. I have successfully used gypsy before and i wrote up what i did here (for Ubuntu Mobile, but there is no reason why this would not work on arm too): http://ianlawrence.info/random-stuff/django-bluetooth-and-gps-on-ubuntu-mobile Ian -- http://ianlawrence.info Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
command line mplayer under OS2007HE - basic shell scripts to run audio or video
Hi, installed, upgraded mplayer and can run it with GMPlauncher and looking for some basic shell scripts to run mplayer from command line. Interested in playlist management, audio/video streaming from the Internet, playing (downloading audio/video file in the background to play list directory and updating playlist with new downloaded files). And some basic options to start/stop playing, volume up/down and more in shell script format already implemented. Please refer me to a nice place with some examples of shell scripts. thanks Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: command line mplayer under OS2007HE - basic shell scripts to run audio or video
Thanks. Frankly speaking mplayer buttons don't work when I play a game as a gui application. Can't sound up/down with - / + upper button, running mplayer as command line application but I would still prefer to. Just got some basic options Can play mp3 file from url address http:///*.mp3 Any chance to set volume up/down with + / - button emulated by a shell script code or have other button/s combination enabled by shell script? With terminal opened I can play with arrows. Unfortunately playing mp3 file from the Internet maemo hangs on and buttons don't play at all. Memory/ graphics problems ? Darius mplayer lacks an option for selecting files in a reverse order. So here is a quick way to playback all mp3 files in reverse order: $ ls -1 -r *.mp3 mp3.rev $ mplayer -playlist mp3.rev Where, * -r reverse order while sorting * -1 list one file per line * -playlist file : Play files according to a playlist file Seeks to 56 seconds: $ mplayer movie.avi -ss 56 seeks to 1 hour 10 minutes: $ mplayer movie.avi -ss 01:10:00 Running the new MPlayer MPlayer can be run just as before. However, it can now open rtsp:// URLs: mplayer rtsp://servername/filename ___ --- On Mon, 30/6/08, Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: command line mplayer under OS2007HE - basic shell scripts to run audio or video To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 30 June, 2008, 2:13 PM 2008/6/30 Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, installed, upgraded mplayer and can run it with GMPlauncher and looking for some basic shell scripts to run mplayer from command line. It sounds like you're looking for mplayer's slave mode. Please refer me to a nice place with some examples of shell scripts. I'm afraid I don't have any such scripts or links myself. Googling for mplayer slave may give you some starting points, though. Neil Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
(update2) Re: command line mplayer under OS2007HE - basic shell scripts to run audio or video
one kind question from http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_MPlayer set a pipe # mkfifo /home/usr/.mplayer/pipe and # mplayer -slave -idle -input file=/home/usr/.mplayer/pipe opens Can't stat /homeusr/.mplayer/pipe: No such file or directory [MENU] Can't open menu config file: /home/user/.mplayer/menu.conf Menu inited: /etc/mplayer/menu.conf and opened menu option ??? closed xterminal and no # prompt how to close pipe or send what string to bring xterminal prompt back and close a pipe ? Need another file manager to access .player/pipe and remove it (was empty) ? as opening xterminal it redirects stdout/in and I can't open any gui application. On closing xterminal gui apps open mplayer crashes opening avi file maemo is deadly slow now any chance to avoid reflashing again ? (no prompt in xterminal) Darius Darius --- On Mon, 30/6/08, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: command line mplayer under OS2007HE - basic shell scripts to run audio or video To: Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 30 June, 2008, 3:14 PM Thanks. Frankly speaking mplayer buttons don't work when I play a game as a gui application. Can't sound up/down with - / + upper button, running mplayer as command line application but I would still prefer to. Just got some basic options Can play mp3 file from url address http:///*.mp3 Any chance to set volume up/down with + / - button emulated by a shell script code or have other button/s combination enabled by shell script? With terminal opened I can play with arrows. Unfortunately playing mp3 file from the Internet maemo hangs on and buttons don't play at all. Memory/ graphics problems ? Darius mplayer lacks an option for selecting files in a reverse order. So here is a quick way to playback all mp3 files in reverse order: $ ls -1 -r *.mp3 mp3.rev $ mplayer -playlist mp3.rev Where, * -r reverse order while sorting * -1 list one file per line * -playlist file : Play files according to a playlist file Seeks to 56 seconds: $ mplayer movie.avi -ss 56 seeks to 1 hour 10 minutes: $ mplayer movie.avi -ss 01:10:00 Running the new MPlayer MPlayer can be run just as before. However, it can now open rtsp:// URLs: mplayer rtsp://servername/filename ___ --- On Mon, 30/6/08, Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: command line mplayer under OS2007HE - basic shell scripts to run audio or video To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 30 June, 2008, 2:13 PM 2008/6/30 Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, installed, upgraded mplayer and can run it with GMPlauncher and looking for some basic shell scripts to run mplayer from command line. It sounds like you're looking for mplayer's slave mode. Please refer me to a nice place with some examples of shell scripts. I'm afraid I don't have any such scripts or links myself. Googling for mplayer slave may give you some starting points, though. Neil Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: (update2) Is array implemented in bash ...?
thanks Frank, thanks Marius and others. Exactly. Living on Vista/XP I get used to see what I see. Script works fine dos2unix-ed Please tell ag2 from InternetTabletTalk and others http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14613 that what crashed my OS2007HE is not bash3, working great but suggestion to edit /etc/passwd edited /etc/passwd crashed system edit /etc/passwd and replace /bin/sh with /bin/bash for users 'user' and 'root'. To make bash the default shell, edit /etc/passwd and replace /bin/sh by /bin/bash for users 'user' and 'root'. __ Darius --- On Fri, 27/6/08, Frank Banul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frank Banul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (update2) Is array implemented in bash ...? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 27 June, 2008, 10:20 PM It looks like you have a DOS style file with carriage return/line feeds at the end where bash is only expecting line feeds. Run dos2unix on array1.sh Frank On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. Open terminal bash enter bash-3.2$ file starts with #!/bin/bash array1.sh (bash: array1.sh: command not found ./array1.sh (bash: ./array1.sh: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or direy bash ./array1.sh runs shell script under ash interpreting array operations as command not found Should I really remove ash ? _ followed an advice from InternetTabletTalk http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14613 by ag2 ag2 is offline Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 163 Thanks: 7 Thanked 96 Times in 32 Posts Default [Announce] bash as the default shell Tired of the built-in busybox shell? I've made a package of bash 3.2. Unlike other instances of bash floating around, this one is compatible with busybox and can be used as the default shell without sending your tablet into an infinite reboot cycle. To make bash the default, edit /etc/passwd and replace /bin/sh with /bin/bash for users 'user' and 'root' and tablet was exactly sent into an inifinite reboot cykle ;( Darius --- On Fri, 27/6/08, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (update2) Is array implemented in bash ...? To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Friday, 27 June, 2008, 9:09 PM On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 07:06:32PM +, Darius Jack wrote: update2 (I do hope you don't get it htmlized, as Rich Text is disabled) Installed bash, run bash in busybox I'm not sure I understand what you mean run bash in busybox. Did you mean scratchbox? code works fine from terminal unfortunately trying to run shell file, file.sh How exactly are you running it? $ ./file.sh should work if file starts with #!/bin/bash $ bash file.sh should work always, and $ sh file.sh will use ash to run file.sh. it is still run by ash shell (not removed yet, as some claimed it may crash a system) so arrays don't work #!/bin/bash doesn't work Could you be more specific? Do you get a No such file error, or do you get errors you usually see when file.sh is executed by ash? Marius Gedminas -- Cool. Does it also recode ISO10646-1 pcf files into the funny permutations and subsets used a long time ago in a galaxy far far away on the planets Isolatinus XV and Koiruski VIII ... -- Markus Kuhn inquires about libXft___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Is array implemented in bash for OS2007/2008 ?
Hi, what is a chance to get bash deb file for download and install under OS2007 or 2008 having arrays implemented ? No download link in the repositories. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
(update2) Is array implemented in bash ...?
update2 (I do hope you don't get it htmlized, as Rich Text is disabled) Installed bash, run bash in busybox code works fine from terminal unfortunately trying to run shell file, file.sh it is still run by ash shell (not removed yet, as some claimed it may crash a system) so arrays don't work #!/bin/bash doesn't work Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: (update2) Is array implemented in bash ...?
Thanks. Open terminal bash enter bash-3.2$ file starts with #!/bin/bash array1.sh (bash: array1.sh: command not found ./array1.sh (bash: ./array1.sh: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or direy bash ./array1.sh runs shell script under ash interpreting array operations as command not found Should I really remove ash ? _ followed an advice from InternetTabletTalk http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14613 by ag2 ag2 is offline Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 163 Thanks: 7 Thanked 96 Times in 32 Posts Default [Announce] bash as the default shell Tired of the built-in busybox shell? I've made a package of bash 3.2. Unlike other instances of bash floating around, this one is compatible with busybox and can be used as the default shell without sending your tablet into an infinite reboot cycle. To make bash the default, edit /etc/passwd and replace /bin/sh with /bin/bash for users 'user' and 'root' and tablet was exactly sent into an inifinite reboot cykle ;( Darius --- On Fri, 27/6/08, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (update2) Is array implemented in bash ...? To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Friday, 27 June, 2008, 9:09 PM On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 07:06:32PM +, Darius Jack wrote: update2 (I do hope you don't get it htmlized, as Rich Text is disabled) Installed bash, run bash in busybox I'm not sure I understand what you mean run bash in busybox. Did you mean scratchbox? code works fine from terminal unfortunately trying to run shell file, file.sh How exactly are you running it? $ ./file.sh should work if file starts with #!/bin/bash $ bash file.sh should work always, and $ sh file.sh will use ash to run file.sh. it is still run by ash shell (not removed yet, as some claimed it may crash a system) so arrays don't work #!/bin/bash doesn't work Could you be more specific? Do you get a No such file error, or do you get errors you usually see when file.sh is executed by ash? Marius Gedminas -- Cool. Does it also recode ISO10646-1 pcf files into the funny permutations and subsets used a long time ago in a galaxy far far away on the planets Isolatinus XV and Koiruski VIII ... -- Markus Kuhn inquires about libXft___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council
Hi, (in plain text, as requested) Murray said below: I like it. It's not clear what it will become, but it could be a good way for Maemo to start becoming less owned by Nokia alone, thus giving it more life (signature by Quim, from other message) Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia I really don't like the idea of anything being less or more owned. Maemo is project by Nokia, Maemo.org website is owned by Nokia, development is supported, financed by Nokia, some developers are donated by Nokia, so what is your idea of having third party owners to Maemo or transferring some rights to Maemo to third parties ? To me Maemo= Nokia. Community council can't change anything in Maemo ownership rights as council has no legal title to transfer any rights in Maemo. So suggesting otherwise makes no sense. Closing. Maemo=Nokia and community council is ok for Nokia and for the community as maemo can not be incorporated by initial directors as already owned by Nokia. If you are aware of any maemo software based embedded device, made by other corporation than Nokia, please let me know. Darius --- On Mon, 23/6/08, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council To: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 23 June, 2008, 1:31 PM On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 22:13 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Hi all, So - the community council, then... what do people think of the idea? I like it. It's not clear what it will become, but it could be a good way for Maemo to start becoming less owned by Nokia alone, thus giving it more life. I think Nokia want to have way to do this. I recommend being quite informal to start with, only adding rules and bureaucracy where it's genuinely useful. What should the remit be? At the very least it can be a group of people who's job it is to clearly and briefly express the community's needs and concerns. Where consensus exists, it should express it. The mailing list is too busy for most people to see that otherwise. Like the GNOME Board, it may later wish to delegate some tasks to specialized groups, such as administrators for mailing lists, web servers, source code repositories, etc. I agree with the poster who said that monthly or quarterly election would be too frequent. All depends on how onerous the voting process will be, I suppose. Proposals to go here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council And discussions can go to the list, or here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:Community_Council -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Community council is a representative body - not community leadership (upate2)
Please unsubscribe me from maemo-developers list as I am not interested in your fight for maemo comunity leadership. Maemo community council is not a good idea as long as the community is sponsored by a corporation, as it may hurt relations between community members , community representative body and a corporation. Developer is any developer. So developer from Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Samsung, Apple is still developer in terms of Maemo.org, subject to membership in the Maemo community. So Global Alliance on Open Free Software is the best idea to give independent developers some independence and protection of their respective intellectual property rights. Flagship of Maemo is Maemo Mapper. Maemo Mapper is free open software. But Maemo Mapper is not open project. We have only one revision by developer of Maemo Mapper not a tree of revisions by third party developers. There is no way to finance developers of free open source applications as they refuse to accept any money for add-on features. So any such excellent project is free open source software but Closed Project in fact. What I suggested months ago was to build projects as Finite-State-Machine top-down charts and to have them administered and managed as Open Projects, inviting third parties to join and co-develop new features, enhancements, to have low development time and have really hot software product. GPS navigation is still a hot product, highly profitable to developers and corporations (maps). One of the hot features is Map Share incorporated by TomTom. There is a number of other hot features, which can still be incorporated into Maemo Mapper or other open free software development. Unfortunately Maemo Mapper is one-man Closed Project. To get it opened one needs to rewrite it as a Finite-State-Machine chart and tell third party developers its weak and strong points and let them know binding points for new features, database connections APIs and the like. Maemo Mapper has still a chance to be No.1 in global gps navigation given new features, new add-ons are incorporated. So as a flagship of Maemo.org, Maemo Mapper is great application and solution for any commercial navigation delivered to market by any corporation, generating profit on selling Linux embedded GPS device. Unfortunately, at the present state of the art, I see today no new revisions of MM by third party developers, showing new features, add-ons, so I name MM as a Closed Project, not meeting Finite-State-Machine standards. To move Closed Projects to Finite-State-Machine Open Projects takes some time and efforts, but only acting that way a new quality software products can be made in shortest time. Closing. Yesterday I had a dream. Great dream. I was reading news using newspaper-like monitor. It may take some years my dreams come true. So please unsubscribe me from maemo-developers list to let me keep my mailbox free from your fight for leadership at maemo. Please don't respond. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership (upate2)
Hello Frantisek, just tell me how it works at Maemo.org sponsored by Nokia. One day discussion on community council is off-topic. Another day your off-topic spam is on-topic. What is your communication standard at Maemo.org, sponsored by Nokia. If you really like to read a lot, visit Semantic Multimedia Magazines (my RD Project) http://groups.google.com/group/metallica4you/web/magazines?hl=en And let me know your opinion. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
Hi, managers, project managers, Think-Tanks, best developers stay for community leadership. At Google Groups, the most experienced developers, answering questions and providing valuable feedback are called Gurus, being nominated by Google Project Managers. Please have a look at Wikiedia entry for Community Council http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_council Community council From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Community councils (CCs) are the most local statutory representative bodies in Great Britain. Community councils in Scotland and Wales are somewhat similar to parish councils in England (which can also have the style Community council). In Scotland, their only statutory role is to communicate local opinion to larger bodies of local and central government. Members are chosen every three or four years. They are elected to represent the entire community council area “Community Councils 158. Any discussion of this subject has to pay special attention to the institution of community councils, whose purpose specifically is to represent local communities. Community councils are unique. They are statutory, but they are not another tier of local government; they are not creatures of the council, as area forums or citizens' panels are; nor are they purely voluntary bodies, as residents' associations and tenants' associations are. A community can choose not to have a community council; but if a community council exists the council can neither dissolve it, as it could dissolve or reorganise its own forums and panels, nor may it choose to ignore it, as it might ignore a voluntary association. Community Councils in England In England there are parish councils not community councils. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Softwarehttp://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
my dear friend, how about configuring your mailer ? You have no title to tell me how should I configure my mailer as I read corporate mails with images and some html code inlined. All you can do is to ask me but never tell me anything I should or have to do, as you are not my boss. Upgrade your mailer to read mail correctly. No more problems ? And stop cutting off the body of my mail to kill the thread. Bad boy. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 4:33 PM On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. -- Frederic Crozat Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
There is nothing strange about Global Alliance on Open Source Software. Interest is great. GAoOSS is exactly about a democracy and community of developers. So it's you spamming the thread, cutting off e-mail body to kill the thread. Off-topic problems are bad solutions. Look at my mail and look at subject line and stop spamming. Ok. You don't the idea of the Global Alliance (as I see), you don't like that democratic form of agreement between developers, corporations, Free Software Foundation and others. But your problem is your problem and you can't stop free developers, free corporations to do what they wish to do. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Ralph Angenendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ralph Angenendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 5:08 PM Frederic Crozat wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. And maybe stop spamming for that strange google group ... Cheers, Ralph___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Pleasing other users - new obligation under rules set by Community council in-spe at Maemo ?
Hello my friend, I am posting this group for almost a year and nobody claimed any problem reading my mail. Quim; Nokia's Director or others never reported any problem. Does it really make any problem for you to upgrade your mailer to read rich-text generated by Yahoo ? Pleasing others is what makes you . So sorry, I can't please you. not interested ;) Darius --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Aniello Del Sorbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Aniello Del Sorbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED], maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 5:33 PM He is more than right in asking you to write in simple text HERE on this mailing list. Because this is also what 'I' ask you (and JUST because I am a regular USER of this mailing list). Pleasing other users is what makes you part of the community too. If you don't want to be part of it, just leave it. If you want to be part of it ( as I understand it ), then play by the rule. You self said that the community should moderate itself. That's what happened right now, and you did not cooperate. Please, do. Otherwise no one will listen to you. At least, not me. -- Aniello Del Sorbo On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my dear friend, how about configuring your mailer ? You have no title to tell me how should I configure my mailer as I read corporate mails with images and some html code inlined. All you can do is to ask me but never tell me anything I should or have to do, as you are not my boss. Upgrade your mailer to read mail correctly. No more problems ? And stop cutting off the body of my mail to kill the thread. Bad boy. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 4:33 PM On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. -- Frederic Crozat Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
Exactly my friend. Keep you mouth wide shut and vote YES for Community council. Otherwise we moderate you, cut off your input, your threads. We are your friends. Good friends, as long as you vote YES for our Community council and vote YES for us. Exactly trash is the best place for those voting NO. We are the Winners. Long live Democracy as long you vote YES for us. Exactly the reason, so many smart guys, developers, are looking for some king of legal protection of the IPs under Global Alliance on Open Source Software. You see my friend. Maemo.org is not giving its helpful hand to free developers as you don't like democracy. You like moderation, total control and your Trash. You don't need any open discussion, any free and open voting, as you have been already nominated and elected to your Community council at your Community. You have already set your own rules to please your needs. You don't care for the business of the Community, of the Nokia, other corportions involved in building Linux embedded devies. What you care for is your private business interest. Not a nice idea to build democratic community. But still have a chance to stay open-minded, nice, kind and fully democratic. Forget your trash, for moderation, forget your discrimination principles. As long as one euro, one dollar moves from Nokia or other corporations to Maemo.org in donations, financing, support to staff, website, any activity you have to follow non-discrimination rules set by the European Union, business place for your donator. Please don't be devil, don't hurt excellent democratic status of the Nokia Corporation in your comments. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Allen Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Allen Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 9:11 PM Folks, there are two solutions to this problem. 1. Ignore him. He will get bored and go away if he stops getting responses. An easy way to do this is to create a rule in your mailer which shunts every message from dariusjack directly into the trash without being read. 2. Or... remove him from the mailing list. More rude. But more effective in the short term, since it doesn't require cooperation from everybody on the list. What clearly won't work is to try to reason with him. That's like trying to reason with a scorpion. -- Allen Brown http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown He is more than right in asking you to write in simple text HERE on this mailing list. Because this is also what 'I' ask you (and JUST because I am a regular USER of this mailing list). Pleasing other users is what makes you part of the community too. If you don't want to be part of it, just leave it. If you want to be part of it ( as I understand it ), then play by the rule. You self said that the community should moderate itself. That's what happened right now, and you did not cooperate. Please, do. Otherwise no one will listen to you. At least, not me. -- Aniello Del Sorbo On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my dear friend, how about configuring your mailer ? You have no title to tell me how should I configure my mailer as I read corporate mails with images and some html code inlined. All you can do is to ask me but never tell me anything I should or have to do, as you are not my boss. Upgrade your mailer to read mail correctly. No more problems ? And stop cutting off the body of my mail to kill the thread. Bad boy. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 4:33 PM On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. -- Frederic Crozat Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: Pleasing other users - new obligation under rules set by Community council in-spe at Maemo ?
My dear friend, I just switched your mail to Plain Text and it's hard to read it on light green background. Try to upgrade your mailer one day. Your list makes a very small percentage of all my e-mail traffic I get and as 99,999% posters has, has had no problems yet, try to solve your problem on yourself. I don't generate html , I just read and reply. I like white background in my mailer as light green is hard to read or post. Try to please me too ;) Frankly speaking, from the very beginning I opted for on-line reading, posting, no e-mail delivery. I would like to unsubscribe from this list and still have an opportunity to read a list on-line and post on-line as I get used at Google Groups. That way I can keep my mailbox clean of spam requesting me to please you and others. And please don't follow this thread. Finished, closed, ended. Darius --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pleasing other users - new obligation under rules set by Community council in-spe at Maemo ? To: maemo-dev maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 9:37 PM On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello my friend, I am posting this group for almost a year and nobody claimed any problem reading my mail. There is always a start to follow proper rules on mailing list. Quim; Nokia's Director or others never reported any problem. So, you mean you don't give a damn if people without a nokia.com Does it really make any problem for you to upgrade your mailer to read rich-text generated by Yahoo ? Is it really a problem for you to switch your Yahoo mailer from enriched text to simple text ? You are not writing for yourself (I hope so) but to other people to make sure they read what you wrote. Yet, you don't follow basic rules across most free software mailing lists : -don't post HTML text, but plain text only -don't top post and only quote part of the message you respond to -refrain to use emails as advertising to other Pleasing others is what makes you . So sorry, I can't please you. not interested ;) You are the one who are being rude to every reader of this mailing list, by not following those basic rules of politeness, which discard any kind of message you might want to send. Several people have tried to explain you should refrain from doing so. -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
Hi Igor, speaking in the name of the Nokia Corporation, be so kind to set the sdame rules for your kind ffriends, financed by Nokia to avopid any discrimination policy at the website, financed, donated by Nokia. Just read the European Union standards and rules on non-discrimination policy. And please stop speaking about html code as I use the same mailer for years and in your previous e-mails you have seen no problems. So what's the problem with you today. Does it mean you and Nokia speak for Community Council and you don't like my No for Community Council showing not good cause to discuss the issue and showing no-problems to kill the thread spamming it with non-existing problems. Global Alliance on Open Free Software is really a good step in the right direction. In the meantime I was approached by developers, contacted some small and bigger corporations. Global Alliance is in vital interest of Nokia, Apple, Microsoft, TomTom and others is in vital interest of developers moving back and forth between hundreds of communities of developers world-wide. They really deserve some form of legal protection for their work and job done for the community. greetings, Darius --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 9:52 PM Hi, please note that i'm writing to you only, since this is really meant to be a friendly advice. No flames. No public debates, just my advice. You seem to be full of energy and that's good. You also want to interact, that's good too. But in order for you to be able to make your point, you have to learn the basics of how to interact with a community. I recommend you this excellent reading: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html and this one: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They are not very long and will help you understanding why your efforts are taking you nowhere at the moment. I sincerely hope you can learn from these readings and come back with a new way of presenting your arguments. P.S.: If you are not able to turn off html in your mail client, just state it out clearly, nobody will blame you for this, but actually it's likely that you will receive help. But it _really_ is annoying to get html stuff, so unless you are unable to cope, please switch it off. You will understand why by reading the links above. -- Cheers, Igor --- Igor Stoppa Nokia Devices RD - Helsinki Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: maemo.org community leadership - the maemo.org Community Council
hi, you are completely wrong. I always and ever speak for myself. he wants to speak for them all NO NO NO (see above) There is a serious problem at maemo, as some guys from maemo don't need any community, any open discussion, any collaboration. What they need is power. Yesterday one guy from maemo said communities need moderators . Open free source software developers don't need moderators. What I develop and test is multitouch solutions, gesture recognition, new user-computer interfaces and the like. There is no place at maemo for such work, solutions. I tried to subscribe to developers section at Maemo 3 times and 3 times server generated nothing what could let me in. So I gave up, still working at some other places. I don't need moderators from maemo to control what I should work on. Managing Multimedia Magazines at Google I don't need third party moderators as it's me who can hold a position of a moderator. Fight for leadership at Maemo is what kills Maemo and any idea of Nokia to have Maemo to work for the benefit of Nokia. Get real man, there are hundreds of hot places globe-wide, you an develop your ideas, projects, solutions in nice association, no moderators, full democracy and you an still say NO for Maemo Community Council not hurting anyone. Darius http://groups.google.com/group/metallica4you/web/magazines?hl=en --- On Fri, 13/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: maemo.org community leadership - the maemo.org Community Council To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Friday, 13 June, 2008, 9:18 PM Any activities by communities financed, sponsored, donated by Nokia or other corporations, must follow the basic goal of the corporation. In general yes, and here the community adds value to Nokia. So there should be no problem unless this is all simply a rant against Nokia/commercial use of Linux, and in fact you had no intention of giving any useful input to the questions that were posed? This does in fact appear to be a rant from Darius Jack. I have not found any references to anything he has contributed to any open source community, yet he wants to speak for them all. The relationship between commercial entities and the open source community has been explained to him more than once, but he does not care to understand. Time to flip the bozo bit. Ed Okerson ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: maemo.org community leadership - the maemo.org Community Council
--- On Fri, 13/6/08, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: maemo.org community leadership - the maemo.org Community Council To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org List maemo-developers@maemo.org, Ryan Abel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 13 June, 2008, 4:47 PM Hi Darius, Darius Jack wrote: Please visit Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en to see how it works. I had a look at your site - very interesting. Global Alliance on Open Source Software Group info: Members: 1 Activity: Low activity What kind of an alliance is this? Just asking. -- My dear friend. Thank you for visiting this place. Alliance is a form of collateral agreement. It may take some time to arrange and ink one. As you can see there are 32 members at Nokia Internet Tablet http://groups.google.com/group/nokia-internet-tablet?hl=en and 2 at iPhone http://groups.google.com/group/iPhone4u?hl=en But don't ask me to tell you the number of lurkers at iPhone. Working for Nokia Corporation on corporate products is really great think. But please aware, any software code is still copyrighted to its author not Nokia and today and forever. For Nokia employees this is not an issue, it is very clear that Nokia owns copyright. -- Copyrights to what ? For volunteers this is also not an option, since Nokia does not ask for any copyright assignment, and the licence on maemo software is clear. -- my dear friend, there is nothing clear in copyrights. Frankly speaking I was not aware maemo related software has any special copyrights status. But please don't advice Nokia to incorporate third party copyrighted Linux code into one of its product without such writtenm contract or agreement on transfer of intellectual property rights. Just wondering - you do understand the consequences of the GPL and LGPL, don't you? - Contacted recently Free Software Foundation to discuss the issue of hardware locked Linux embedded devices. Nobody can fully understand any consequences in comming years of the global competition between corporations. Nokia should incorporate Maemo.org as a business entity, corporation and nominate directors, board, officers and have job done under supervision and management provided by Nokia. That would be a great way to kill the community. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- you say community and I see one moderator at Maemoo.org financed by Nokia or not advising me to delete my reply in this thread. There is no community at Maemo.org There is moderation at Maemo.org Free communities of developers don't need moderators advising members to delete their input. = Just have a look == Your message to maemo-developers awaits moderator approval Friday, 13 June, 2008 5:16 PM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Add sender to Contacts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your mail to 'maemo-developers' with the subject RE: maemo.org community leadership - the maemo.org Community Council Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message body is too big: 22181 bytes with a limit of 20 KB Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/confirm/maemo-developers/e522aa6caabf4e91b2d7e00ea3748089b9796971 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: maemo.org community leadership - the maemo.org Community Council
Nothing is automatic on the Internet. That's you, moderator, administrator, operator, setting the terms. That's you cutting the thread off. Today you set 20 kb limit, tommorow 10kb, next week 1line input. Long live democracy. Your money, your business, your terms. But please don't call me a community. I use Google Groups and there is no limit on thread size. A good practice is to follow full thread, no pre-editing, no cutt offs, no moderation One day you speak about a community and another day you show me who is the ruler. Bye bye my fiends, no more communities of developers governed by moderators. Nokia , shame on you, financing community governed by moderators. One day 20kb limit is in operation. Tommorrow 10kb, next week 1 line is allowed. Or better. No-reply-discussions. Darius --- On Fri, 13/6/08, Aniello Del Sorbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Aniello Del Sorbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: maemo.org community leadership - the maemo.org Community Council To: maemo-dev maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Friday, 13 June, 2008, 5:57 PM On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Nokia should incorporate Maemo.org as a business entity, corporation and nominate directors, board, officers and have job done under supervision and management provided by Nokia. That would be a great way to kill the community. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- you say community and I see one moderator at Maemoo.org financed by Nokia or not advising me to delete my reply in this thread. There is no community at Maemo.org There is moderation at Maemo.org Free communities of developers don't need moderators advising members to delete their input. = Just have a look == Your message to maemo-developers awaits moderator approval Friday, 13 June, 2008 5:16 PM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Add sender to Contacts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your mail to 'maemo-developers' with the subject RE: maemo.org community leadership - the maemo.org Community Council Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message body is too big: 22181 bytes with a limit of 20 KB Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: It is an automatic message sent by a program. You're reply was too long (in bytes)to be sent to the list. The message itself explains that the limit is 20kb. Please do not mix this with Maemo, Nokia, open source and community. If you want to help, understand at least the basic things. I have read all of your posts so far, but I really do not understand your point. -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N810 Permanently Out of Stock at Nokia USA online store?
visit eBay http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40amp;_trksid=m37amp;satitle=n810amp;category0= Darius http://tinyurl.com/3edako --- On Tue, 10/6/08, John Holmblad lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: John Holmblad lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: N810 Permanently Out of Stock at Nokia USA online store? To: maemodevelop lt;maemo-developers@maemo.orggt; Date: Tuesday, 10 June, 2008, 5:03 PM All, has anyone been able to purchase the N810 from the Nokia USA online site? It appears to be out of stock on the www site and has been so for a few days. Is this going to change or is it a permanent condition? Here is the url to the www page for that site: http://www.nokiausa.com/N810 -- -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC lt;mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hello Maemo - CFSONID 2008
Hi Quim, you said In addition to this, Nokia expects to make a sustainable/profitable business around the maemo platform and compatible devices. Exactly, so there is no other way to solve that problem not hurting developers but to enter into the Global Alliance on Free Software/ Open Source Free Software New Global Open Source Alliance by corporations, developers, IP protection international organizations, patent offices (USPTO, Europeannbsp; Patent Office ...), Free Software Foundation, Microsoft, TomTom, Apple and Linux giants as well as others to discuss nd find the solution to have both corporate's and developer's business protected and have developer's IPs protected anyway. Nokia's corporate business is not exactly the business of developers working for free to let Nokia make business and generate profit. Maemo is to much about poetry, philosophy and business strategies. I remember, when I asked for the first time, who stayed for maemo.org Nobody was able to say - it was Nokia. Today we have a new business model (subject to patent application or already patented). Corporations setting up Internet communities, to have free workers working on projects set up by the corportions. I joined another community of developers and some guys come from a business corporation, developing the same project/s and some get founding from other organizations too. It's not bad as long as everyone is fully aware of his/her role and knows business terms in advance, before joining in. Working for free is not bad idea for students. But working for free for businesses to make final market product is really special idea subject to urgent discussion. One questions should be answered. Do developers need Nokia to develop their open soruce free software or does Nokia need developers to develop maemo platform commercial product. Global Alliance on Open Source Software forum is open, you are free to read, post, join, comment, send your proposals Group email [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone (+48) 886 424 624 Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Fri, 6/6/08, Quim Gil lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Quim Gil lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: Hello Maemo - CFSONID 2008 To: ext Kees Jongenburger lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Cc: ext Robert Schuster lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;, maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Friday, 6 June, 2008, 1:01 PM ext Kees Jongenburger wrote: gt; The community itself is not organized in what can we do to achieve xyz. gt; they and I expect zyx to be maemo.org. They might even think : if gt; maemo.org behaves like xyz gt; THEY would be doing the right thing. it is not exactly easy to gt; currently do anything for maemo.org gt; (rember the bus where you are not the driver?). Are we missing a gt; strong community leader? There is something missing, but I think it is more a matter of common understanding. It would be silly from Nokia's side to push business reasons in the maemo project without considering a sustainable approach to the free software community needs. But it is not much more clever from the community side to push software freedom reasons without considering a sustainable approach to the business company needs. maemo is expected by some people to be 100% free, and this is a fair and challenging goal. maemo is also expected by some people to beat the competition so the coolest OSS developers decide to invest their time, skills and attention in this project - which is also a fair and challenging goal. In addition to this, Nokia expects to make a sustainable/profitable business around the maemo platform and compatible devices. It is perhaps just a coincidence that those betting on 100% of software freedom as a guarantee of commercial success are not the ones making the big investment hiring a team and shipping devices. It's always easier to say change your business when you have no money invested in it. So please, relax and try to understand also the other side. Nokia is betting more in open source today than yesterday, and tomorrow more than today. Glacial speed? Depends how you look at it. A lot has been done between the 770 launch 3 years ago and today, even in terms of open source strategy. Unsatisfied about the speed and/or about the lack of a 100% freedom software delivered by Nokia? You can provide the speed and full scope yourselves, asking Nokia to remove any obstacles in your way. In the meantime we will keep trying shipping software, development platform and devices exciting not only the open source community but many more people out there. In fact you also want us to do so. -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source maemo software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: Hello Maemo - CFSONID 2008
Hi Robert, you missed the fact we have now Free Software and Corporate Free Software Open or not, it doesn't matter. Corporate Free Software is built for embedded devices. It would be nice to have Free Software Foundation to give a helpful hand in discovering which way global corporations and developers should go. Global Alliance on Free Software/ Open Source Free Software is a good idea, I have already proposed at this place. Transfer of Intellectual Property Rights is an issue donating Open Source Free Software developed by third parties to corporations. Darius Think-Tank Nokia Internet (WIMAX) Tablet GG http://groups.google.com/group/nokia-internet-tablet?hl=en --- On Mon, 2/6/08, Robert Schuster lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Robert Schuster lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Hello Maemo - CFSONID 2008 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 2 June, 2008, 1:28 PM Hi! (If some bits sound to serious for your taste, take them with a grain of salt.) I finally subscribed to this list because I think the time is right. I attended LinuxTag 2008 in Berlin/Germany a few days ago. Quim Gil and other people from Nokia and the Maemo community were there. In the first Maemo talk Quim invited the community to speak out to Nokia (Btw: really Nokia or just the OSSO team?) and I want to participate therein. If you attended the first talk I was the guy asking to raise your hand if you want to see the Nokia IT devices being freed of all proprietary software in one way (install a different OS) or another (make IT OS 100% free itself). This brings us right to the topic: Free Software - free as in freedom, you know. :) I was *not* asking the question to show the Nokia staff that there are more than just '5 free software' visionaries in Maemo but mainly because I reported this[0] bug last year and was missing noticeable support from other free software friends. I know that some really good people have already given up on this topic and rest assured that this will also be my last attempt to subvert this community. ;) So the question at the talk was for me to find out whether I am really alone with my views. Apparantly it also made all of you show that you are not alone, too. :) Ok, Quim introduced the '10 action days'. My impression is that they would like to hear stuff like 'add feature X to the website', 'port application foo to maemo' or something else from that category. I have no suggestion like that because I strongly believe that a healthy free software community can fix any technical deficiency on their own. You are not a zealot like me and need an argument now? Ok. The free software scene came nearly out of nothing. Although free programs existed long before Linux was written, there was no organisation of those. One of the early communities that rallied together to make a change was Debian. It evolved from nothing to something that commercial free software vendors *want* to base their products on. Debian is the distribution Maemo was derived from. Ok, let me state some stuff before it gets hairy: - I do not consider someone/an organisation/company evil here. There are just different fears, opinions, convictions, way of doings etc. resulting in different behavior. - I consider the OSSO team at Nokia to be more open to FOSS than any other part in that company and that those guys are restricted by company policies. If there is something to fix than it will have most likely to do with that other parts. - I am very thankful for every contribution from Nokia staff to the free software community. However I treat every non-free part of the IT OS if it does not exist when it comes to being thankful. - If not said otherwise I speak in the name of those Maemo users who know that FOSS is the way to go. Everyone is free to completely disagree with my views amp; opinions. Over time I learned about a few reasons why companies keep their Linux-based operating systems closed or deny NDA-free access to specification. Here are some: a) treaties/contracts made with chipset vendors (e.g. ARM, TI) enforce a certain non-disclosure of specifications b) fear of being imitated/plagiated by ... well manufacturers that are *specialized* in doing so c) company-wide policies that enforce a certain working style or common standards in different company sections (set up to make it easier to cope with national laws/regulations from *inside* the company[1]) d) fear of appearing less unique to the customer (something marketing people preach) e) fear of 'eating away' market share from other inhouse devices (especially from those where the margin is higher :) ) Without knowing anything from inside OSSO/Nokia in this regard I still hope that those reasons apply more or less to them because I want to base this year's Campaign for Software Freedom on Nokia IT devices (tm)[2] on them. ;) What the campaign is hoping to achieve is the following: 1) Users should be able to install any compatible OSes on their Nokia IT devices
Re: Announcing the Internet Tablet Talk Software Section
Hello my freiend, what makes you to spam about Nokia Internet Tablet Google Group. Any forum is just forum. Google Group is an excellent place for running public forums. Don't be evil, take it easy. Does it mean you work for a competitive service ? Nokia Internet Tablet GG has a potential as a multimedia forum, offering www, files, multimedia like video, audio and discussion. Excellent challenging opportunity . Work is under way to provide live coverage for Linux/ Open Source and Nokia Internet Tablet events. You are welcome to join. BTW. Software Section can be provided as GG files section if you wish. Darius Nokia Internet Tablet Google Group http://groups.google.com/group/nokia-internet-tablet?hl=en --- On Thu, 22/5/08, Kees Jongenburger lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Kees Jongenburger lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: Announcing the Internet Tablet Talk Software Section To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, 22 May, 2008, 8:25 PM Hello Daruis What is this google tablet group you keep spamming us about? it looks very unmaintained. what is your goal with it gt; Let them be developed and run in parallel. gt; gt; Darius gt; Nokia Internet Tablet Google Group gt; http://groups.google.com/group/nokia-internet-tablet?hl=en gt; gt; --- On Wed, 21/5/08, Reggie Suplido lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; gt; From: Reggie Suplido lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; gt; Subject: Re: Announcing the Internet Tablet Talk Software Section gt; To: maemo-developers@maemo.org gt; Date: Wednesday, 21 May, 2008, 12:23 AM gt; gt; Sorry guys but I don't understand the negativity here -- we're all on the gt; same side! Isn't our common goal to have apps reach more end-users? The way gt; I see it, it's no different that posting a thread in the forums to announce gt; your app. gt; gt; Thanks all. gt; gt; On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Mike Lococo lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt;gt; gt;gt; Reggie, gt;gt; gt;gt;gt; 1. Developers can optionally list alphas of their apps at itT so users gt;gt;gt; can be notified about them out and suggest features as well as report bugs gt;gt;gt; 2. Developers get it in extra-devel repos gt;gt;gt; 3. Post .install at itT for further discussion as well as Maemo.org gt;gt;gt; downloads gt;gt; gt;gt; I'm afraid that I still don't see the distinction between the itT software gt;gt; section and the Maemo.org downloads section. Maemo/Downloads offers all the gt;gt; same functionality and is in a better position to integrate with Garage, gt;gt; with memo-hosted auto-builder/packaging infrastructure, and with any gt;gt; maemo-extras software taxonomy that emerges (the itT software section has gt;gt; yet another software classification taxonomy that isn't related to any of gt;gt; the other taxonomies in a way that I can identify). gt;gt; gt;gt;gt; The main intention is to make apps more visible to end users and have gt;gt;gt; them join in with the development by providing feedback. This would gt;gt;gt; hopefully help developers more improve their apps as well as offer better IT gt;gt;gt; software to the IT community in the long run. gt;gt; gt;gt; This is an admirable goal, but I think a better way of pursuing it would gt;gt; be to contribute functionality to Maemo downloads and look for ways to gt;gt; integrate the itT community with the developer resources offered at gt;gt; maemo.org, rather than create yet another unintegrated space to watch and gt;gt; monitor for feedback. gt;gt; gt;gt; Thanks, gt;gt; Mike Lococo gt; gt; ___ gt; maemo-developers mailing list gt; maemo-developers@maemo.org gt; https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers gt; gt; Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com gt; ___ gt; maemo-developers mailing list gt; maemo-developers@maemo.org gt; https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers gt; gt; Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Announcing the Internet Tablet Talk Software Section
No more problems ? --- On Fri, 23/5/08, Kees Jongenburger lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Kees Jongenburger lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: Announcing the Internet Tablet Talk Software Section To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Friday, 23 May, 2008, 4:33 PM Hello Darius, I did not feel comfortable with asking you en public. but you appear to disrespect that. gt; Hello my freiend, gt; what makes you to spam about gt; Nokia Internet Tablet Google Group. gt; gt; Any forum is just forum. gt; Google Group is an excellent place for running public forums. gt; Don't be evil, take it easy. gt; --- On Thu, 22/5/08, Kees Jongenburger lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; gt; From: Kees Jongenburger lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; gt; Subject: Re: Announcing the Internet Tablet Talk Software Section gt; To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt; Date: Thursday, 22 May, 2008, 8:25 PM gt; gt; Hello Daruis gt; gt; What is this google tablet group you keep spamming us about? gt; it looks very unmaintained. what is your goal with it gt; Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Announcing the Internet Tablet Talk Software Section
Please don't mix Maemo with internettablettalk and other business oriented websites.Let them be developed and run in parallel.DariusNokia Internet Tablet Google Grouphttp://groups.google.com/group/nokia-internet-tablet?hl=en--- On Wed, 21/5/08, Reggie Suplido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Reggie Suplido [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Announcing the Internet Tablet Talk Software SectionTo: maemo-developers@maemo.orgDate: Wednesday, 21 May, 2008, 12:23 AMSorry guys but I don't understand the negativity here -- we're all on the same side! Isn't our common goal to have apps reach more end-users? The way I see it, it's no different that posting a thread in the forums to announce your app. Thanks all.On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Mike Lococo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reggie, 1. Developers can optionally list alphas of their apps at itT so users can be notified about them out and suggest features as well as report bugs 2. Developers get it in extra-devel repos 3. Post .install at itT for further discussion as well as Maemo.org downloads I'm afraid that I still don't see the distinction between the itT software section and the Maemo.org downloads section. Maemo/Downloads offers all the same functionality and is in a better position to integrate with Garage, with memo-hosted auto-builder/packaging infrastructure, and with any maemo-extras software taxonomy that emerges (the itT software section has yet another software classification taxonomy that isn't related to any of the other taxonomies in a way that I can identify). The main intention is to make apps more visible to end users and have them join in with the development by providing feedback. This would hopefully help developers more improve their apps as well as offer better IT software to the IT community in the long run. This is an admirable goal, but I think a better way of pursuing it would be to contribute functionality to Maemo downloads and look for ways to integrate the itT community with the developer resources offered at maemo.org, rather than create yet another unintegrated space to watch and monitor for feedback. Thanks, Mike Lococo ___maemo-developers mailing listmaemo-developers@maemo.orghttps://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developersSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Invitation for Maemo community at OpenExpo 2008 Zurich
Thanks.Really interested to join.Are you in charge of the OpenExpo 2008 Zurich ?Can bring some hot Natural User Interface products and more.Nokia Internet Tablet Google Group can be upgraded to live broadcast hot news aboutOpenExpo 2008 Zurich, Nokia Internet Tablet, Maemo and Open Source eventslike the New Global Open Source Alliance.Nokia Internet Tablet http://groups.google.com/group/nokia-internet-tablet?hl=enDariusphone (+48) 886 424 624 --- On Tue, 20/5/08, Matthias Stürmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Matthias Stürmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Invitation for Maemo community at OpenExpo 2008 ZurichTo: "maemo developers" maemo-developers@maemo.orgCc: "OpenExpo" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Tuesday, 20 May, 2008, 6:02 PMHi allAlthough it's still far away I'd like to invite the Maemo community todo a community booth at OpenExpo 2008 in Zurich on September 24/25. Itwould be great after having twice a OpenMoko booth to also welcome theMaemo community at the event! And if you have any interesting topics forspeeches please submit a proposal. The end of the Call for Participationis next week, May 31. Forms and more information are available onhttp://openexpo.ch/en (of course if you're involved in other projectsyou're very welcome to sign them up as well!)Hope to see some of you this Fall in Zurich! All the best,Matthias-- Matthias Stürmer | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://stuermer.ch___maemo-developers mailing listmaemo-developers@maemo.orghttps://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developersSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Minutes of maemo web monthly meeting, 13/5/2008
Could you kindly provide me with unedited timestamped version of the minutes ?Darius--- On Wed, 14/5/08, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Minutes of maemo web monthly meeting, 13/5/2008To: "maemo-developers@maemo.org" maemo-developers@maemo.orgDate: Wednesday, 14 May, 2008, 12:55 PMHi all,Here are the minutes of the maemo web team meeting which we heldyesterday morning - I'm sending it outside maemo2midgard-discussion(where it's been posted already) to give you all an idea of what we'reworking on, and to give people a chance to give us feedback.## Present:* Quim Gil - Nokia* Marcell Lengyel - Nokia* Eero af Heurlin - Nemein* Emilia Hjelm - Nemein* Janne Antola - Nemein* Andre Klapper - Openismus* Karsten Bräckelmann - Openismus* Niels Breet* Dave Neary## Agenda:* Introductions* Review of status of April sprint actions* Review of proposals for May sprint* Review of high and medium priority bugs against website product## IntroductionsNew arrivals Andre, Karsten, Emilia, Janne and Dave introduced themselves.## Review of status of April sprint actionsConserved for posterity inhttps://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?April2008Sprintid=106type=gThe following tasks were completed:* Full news content - Henri - **done*** maemo extras + extras-devel: a beta published. - Niels **done*** Agree ServerInfraPlan with ISP. Eero **done*** MediaWiki: fresh install + maemo logo + PAM login - Ferenc **done There is a shiny new Mediawiki install which will be available soonat https://wiki.maemo.org/index.phpThe following tasks are ongoing:* Clean old documentation bugs - Jarmo - Handled by Dave, some **done**,others move to May* Implement GForgeUpgradePlan - Ferenc started, but will be done in MaySprintOf 35 High priority bugs which were open at the start of the month,there are now 23.The following tasks are carried forward to May:* API dowloads to be fixed - Henri/Niels** Niels volunteered to help get this fixed* Google Search fix - Marcell** Marcel has contacted Ixonos about this, there is some problem but noresolution yet* The following items depend on the new infrastructure being available** Fix cache issues - Eero - waiting for new infrastructure** Plan for login issues - Eero - waiting for new infrastructure## Review of proposed May sprint itemshttps://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?May2008Sprintid=106type=gThere were a lot of new proposals. They were split into 2 categories: todo in May, and "Backlog". "Backlog" items are low priorityitems whichmight (a) take a long time, and (b) be very difficult.### New items* Implement ServerInfraPlan - Marcell** Cache issues and login issues depend on this* Documenting in maemo.org the web development process. Dave** Dave will be asking people lots of questions about this* improve extras assistant/promotion interface -Niels* bugzilla authentication using garage accounts -Ferenc* triaging/syncing bugs that have been duplicated to garage tracker(currently underway) - Andre/Karsten* Document how to deal with internal nokia bug tracker (pending)Andre/Karsten* Wiki reorg:** Start content migration to MediaWiki. - Dave** Complete incomplete sections ofhttps://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ - Dave** Scrub outdated/irrelevant pages - Dave** Fix bug #1587 - Dave* jobs section for maemo.org -Niels* Proposal agreed on better extras categories - Niels* automatic updating of maemo.org/downloads on upload to extras. -Niels* Start collecting product specific standard "need more info"questionsto improve the feedback quality of the reports (before developers take alook) - Andre/Karsten* come up with a plan to create aliases as default assignees forcomponents. get rid of "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" default assignee. urgedevelopers to add themselves to the watchlist for products they are/feelresponsible for. - Andre/Karsten* assign all open bugs to correct default assignees. there's a total of1227 open bugs, 831 of them assigned to [EMAIL PROTECTED] many reportershave the impression that nobody cares at all about their reports.-Andre/Karsten* Brainstorm site: Investigate how we could do this, find out whatsoftware Ubuntu are using. Make proposal on brainstorming site beforeend of May - Dave* Publish a "Who's who in maemo", including Nokia engineersworking withthe community, contractors and volunteers. Encourage people to updatetheir information to keep the document up to date - Dave** Documenting companies involved in maemo development.* Start the "What's happening Nokia?" page that people have beentalkingabout in this thread:http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-May/017624.htmland try to come up with a sane way to keep it up to date and get answersto the questions people are asking from the definitive source - Dave* Start publishing weekly reports about bugs.maemo.org activity, formatto be improved. Andre/Karsten### Backlog* start nagging developers on urgent issues (depends on the yet tocreate "Who's who" list).
Re: Minutes of maemo web monthly meeting, 13/5/2008
Thanks.--- On Wed, 14/5/08, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Minutes of maemo web monthly meeting, 13/5/2008To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: "maemo-developers@maemo.org" maemo-developers@maemo.orgDate: Wednesday, 14 May, 2008, 2:43 PMHi Darius,Darius Jack wrote: Could you kindly provide me with unedited timestamped version of the minutes ?I'm afraid not. This was a conference call, the following two pages(which were edited during the meeting) were used as a support for the call.April sprint:https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?April2008Sprintid=106type=gMay sprint:https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?May2008Sprintid=106type=gIf you're looking for the unedited archives of yesterday's QAsessionwith Quim, it's up here:http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-05-13.htmlCheers,Dave.-- Dave NearyGNOME Foundation member[EMAIL PROTECTED]Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Let's do something together in LinuxTag
Hi,at Globewide Network Academy, we have held on-line meetings on a daily basis.It was more than 15 years ago at Media Moo.Interaction is what counts in interational environment.GNA was one of the world's first virtual corporations.Administered mailing lists provide no interaction.Web forums are closed to outsiders, indexing algorithms don't work well.Much better social environment offer Usenet groups or Google groups nowadays.Joined another open source project and administrators control and read private emailssent peer-to-peer, between members of the forum.No more good times for corporate open source projects.--- On Tue, 13/5/08, Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Let's do something together in LinuxTagTo: "ext Kees Jongenburger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.orgDate: Tuesday, 13 May, 2008, 7:39 AMHi,ext Kees Jongenburger wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Simon Pickering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been thinking about what to present at linuxtag. I cannot easely make a choice right now because we are lacking some form of"grand goal". Can we try to elaborate on the topics? perhaps also have an ircmeeting between linuxtag contributors? Sounds useful, what about after the IRC meeting tomorrow evening? Hello Simon, Yes sounds fair.I will be there as well. :) I would be happy if we indeed can try to define the "grand goal" -what kind of people are attending (question partially answered) -Can we define this "grand goal". -Can we try to make the different topics match or have a logical flow. lets see how the first meeting goesimvho the grand goal is to meet for the first time under an officialmaemo umbrella and have a good time sharing dreams and concerns.Removing a couple of obstacles for progress, thinking about short andmid term improvements and creating an inertia for further productivediscussion onoffline.For each person attending, just discuss about what matters to you andwant to share. Let's also think about the rest of time out of the track.Most of us are staying 2 or more days (and nights) so don't feel muchpressure about your 10 minutes presentation. It is important but it willbe good no matter what.-- Quim Gilmarketing manager, open sourcemaemo software @ Nokia___maemo-developers mailing listmaemo-developers@maemo.orghttps://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developersSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Let's do something together in LinuxTag
Hi,what about discussing commercial GNU open source software productsalready on a market ?Commercial licence for GNU open source Linux based product -impossible ?See therehttp://allegro.pl/item361972000_promocja_licencja_appro_54g_client_12_20_zl_fv.htmlAny Linux discussion is all about GNU open source licensing.Moving Linux based products to commercial licensing cut offs Linux community fromcorporate ties, financing,creating highly competetive market.Darius--- On Mon, 12/5/08, Simon Pickering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Simon Pickering [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: Let's do something together in LinuxTagTo: "'Kees Jongenburger'" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'Quim Gil'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.orgDate: Monday, 12 May, 2008, 11:05 AM I have been thinking about what to present at linuxtag. I can not easely make a choice right now because we are lacking some form of "grandgoal". Can we try to elaborate on the topics? perhaps also have an irc meeting between linuxtag contributors?Sounds useful, what about after the IRC meeting tomorrow evening?Simon___maemo-developers mailing listmaemo-developers@maemo.orghttps://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developersSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Let's do something together in LinuxTag
Hi,what about developingNokia Internet Tablet Gghttp://groups.google.com/group/nokia-internet-tabletinto interactive multimedia training center for Maemo community ?Darius--- On Sat, 10/5/08, Kees Jongenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Kees Jongenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Let's do something together in LinuxTagTo: "Quim Gil" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.orgDate: Saturday, 10 May, 2008, 9:56 AMHiI have been thinking about what to present at linuxtag. I can not easelymake a choice right now because we are lacking some form of "grandgoal".Can we try to elaborate on the topics? perhaps also have an irc meeting betweenlinuxtag contributors?My presentation at fosdem was mainly about community, what we can learnfrom mamona/oe. and what is IMHO wrong with the current maemo platform.Because the talk would be in platform hacks I think this presentationwould be alittle off-topic. I therefore would also be happy to present mamonaas-is and it's goalsanyway we need to talk ..greetingsOn Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the proposal: 1. MAEMO COMMUNITY UPDATE Where are we + questions and comments... 2. COOL MAEMO APPS A couple of demos + meet the developers 3. COOL PLATFORM HACKS A couple of demos + meet the developers 4. MAEMO.ORG: WHAT NEXT? Mid term: What Nokia should do + What the community should do___maemo-developers mailing listmaemo-developers@maemo.orghttps://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developersSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Open Source Software New Global Alliance - proposal
Hi,I contacted FSF and was contacted by FSF recentlyand there is a growing demand for a new global alliance on open source software.As business of Linux based embedded hardware devices is already worth billions $ - WiFi APs, routers, servers, GPS car navigation,car audio systemsdigital tv boxescontrol - security equipmenthouse appliancesand more and more to be added with every dayFree Software Foundation has a real problem to coordinate licensing ofGNU open source software products worldwide, globe-wide.There is a growing number of firms, companies, selling GNU open source software productsas commercial software products, integrating any such add-on GNU open source software with hardware lock key.As this trend is growing and there is no way to stop ita new global alliance for open source software products iswhat is needed urgently.There is no way to go to courts with violations of GNU open source licensesdue to legal costs and court charges involved.Developers of GNU open source software have been working hard for years, working for the community and today, their job and work is made commercial software product by othersand offered for more than 1 US$ on a market.So there is a need a new global alliance to solve the problem of financing ofopen source software developers as money for sold Linux based open source software products in hardware embedded devices (TomTom and others) goes in millions per day.Dariusf.IT forensic expertSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Open Source Software New Global Alliance - proposal
Hi,one way is to protect developers and their open source software products,another is to provide FSF with extra financing from embedded hardware manufactures, incorporating Linux based software solutions.In each case there is a need for calculations, assessment of open source software development costs, charges, fees, basing on some real life examples.For TomTom and others, once developed Linux applications can generate millions, duplicated with each car navigation device sold.Others, like Approsoftware.com, sell open source Linux based software as a commercialproduct bundled with hardware lock key.One way to go is to ask developers and discover, how much money they expect to get,if any, from manufacturers of embedded hardware devices, appliances.Linux Thorvald is the right person to speak to and ask for proposals and solutions.Linux based open source applications wre ok for open hardware PC computers.Today any laptop/palmtop can run hardware locked Linux based open source applications,sold as a commercial product.It's up to developers of any such application in development tree to request or not some form of gratification for his/her job/work and input in the final product.In intellectual property transfer business, one good idea gets patented and earns a lot of money and the alike idea is published for free on the net at the same time and generates no profit to its author at all.As any part of source code has its author, unfortunately no signature affixed in text file formI have setup Open Source Software - Google grouphttp://groups.google.com/group/opensource2authors, developers of open source code, applications, can post their respectiveinput in development of the Linux based open source code, applications,claiming their rights to be covered by the New Global Alliance, given signed one day.New Global Alliance in Open Source Software,representing developers, coders on one side,manufacturers of Linux based hardware embedded devices, appliances, systemsand FSF, Linus and others volunteering their work, timeany such Open Source Software New Global Alliance to be concluded.It is not good to have open source applications, developments offered for free to downloadand at the same time offered as a commercial product at a "reasonable fee".It's a good business idea to have free workers in IT business to work for free but it is not fair to offer their product for fee , as a commercial product.Linux based open source software has a status of community effort, workand there is no need to let few make really big money, basing on work donated by the community for the community for free.Darius--- On Thu, 8/5/08, David Bolter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: David Bolter [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Open Source Software New Global Alliance - proposalTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.orgDate: Thursday, 8 May, 2008, 3:48 PMHow do we proceed?cheers,DavidDarius Jack wrote: Hi, I contacted FSF and was contacted by FSF recently and there is a growing demand for a new global alliance on open source software. As business of Linux based embedded hardware devices is already worth billions $ - WiFi APs, routers, servers, GPS car navigation, car audio systems digital tv boxes control - security equipment house appliances and more and more to be added with every day Free Software Foundation has a real problem to coordinate licensing of GNU open source software products worldwide, globe-wide. There is a growing number of firms, companies, selling GNU open source software products as commercial software products, integrating any such add-on GNU open source software with hardware lock key. As this trend is growing and there is no way to stop it a new global alliance for open source software products is what is needed urgently. There is no way to go to courts with violations of GNU open source licenses due to legal costs and court charges involved. Developers of GNU open source software have been working hard for years, working for the community and today, their job and work is made commercial software product by others and offered for more than 1 US$ on a market. So there is a need a new global alliance to solve the problem of financing of open source software developers as money for sold Linux based open source software products in hardware embedded devices (TomTom and others) goes in millions per day. Darius f.IT forensic expert Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developersSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Opensource locked by hardware key was Re: Corporate ownership of open source projects [LWN]
My dear friend,software fromhttp://approsoftware.com/is exactly declared as Linux open software product.Unfortunately its offered as a commercial product at high chargeas hardware lock key is installed to make itnot to function without hardware lock key installed.I have already contacted Free Software Foundationasking for kind explanationif it objects or notto have GNU Open Source software to be commercializedby installation of hardware lock key in embedded products.Nokia Internet Tablet is one of such productsand acting that way Nokia can disable some libraries, functions or proprietary/non-proprietary applications, installing hardware lock keymaking GNU open source software disabled without payingextra fee/charge.If this is just the case, GNU open source is no more free open source softwareunder GNU lincense as to run it on embedded device one will have to pay unreasonable extra fee.As any Linux open source project/software is based on community past and present workcommercialization of hardware lock key protected new Linux softwareis exactly making profit and money on community workaccessed for free.Asking community to work for free to let few guys to make real money on commercialized Linux software products.So there is no instead, as the software product offered byApprosoftware.comis exactly described as open source.And demo version is for free, commercial Linux open source version is for fee.Just download and install it to see the problem.DariusJust--- On Mon, 5/5/08, Raphaël Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Raphaël Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Opensource locked by hardware key was Re: Corporate ownership of open source projects [LWN]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, "Luca Olivetti" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Monday, 5 May, 2008, 9:22 AMOn Sat, 2008-05-03 at 17:22 +0000, Darius Jack wrote: ... sorry (cut for clarity) I the meantime I was contacted and learneed that offered software was opensource (no GNU Open Sourrce licence included). Unfortunately software - firmware for Wifi Access Points is offered hardware key locked from the following web page http://approsoftware.com/ I would like to know your opinion if opensource software (GNU Open Source licence (not included) intended for Linux OS, can be hardware key locked to disable its functions. Acting that way, any opensource software for Linux can be hardware key locked and sold for fee as a commercial product restricted access sourcees provided or not. Darius you should try opensource firmwares instead, such as openwrtSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
