Re: Qt and alsa mixer
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Lorn Potter lorn.pot...@nokia.com wrote: Hello, I don't think so. It would be *very* nice to have that directly in qt with support for the other platforms ;) no plans? Some years ago, I wrote qalsamixer (GPL) for qtopia. You can try that. It should also work on the desktop. I have forgotten if I needed to modify it for desktop use. Your mileage may vary if alsa API has changed since then. I just changed main.cpp to use QApplication and the .pro file and it works! Hoping to have some freetime to implement notifications when another app changes mixer values. Thanks! Niko ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Qt and alsa mixer
Hi! Does qt multimedia support managing alsa mixer volumes/switches? If not some hints on the best way to implement it? Regards Niko ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Enabling boot log on screen in N900
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Sergio Lembo sergio.le...@tkk.fi wrote: Hi, Do you have information about how to log on the screen at booting time (like a normal linux does)? I found a video that shows that such boot on screen is possible in N900. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yri4qOfP8T0 This requires a custom kernel, IIRC fb console had some problems in the 2.6.28 n900 branch. Niko ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Which one is active on my phone GPRS or WiFi?
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, sandeep kodimela sandeep.kodim...@votarytech.com wrote: HI all I'm just trying to find out the the active connection on my phone among the available(GPRS,WiFi). Can anybody suggest me how to do it? I'm experimenting the bearer module of qt-mobility and works nice, it's one of the easier way. Regards Niko ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Disable wlan scan with qt-mobility bearer and gconf
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com wrote: in that case is it safe/supported/helpful using libgq-gconf-dev? is it planned that library will reach extras? It's in Nokia repo (because bits of mobility use it): Thanks! I'm going further and found a couple of issue in the bearer api, but I'm new to Qt Mobility, so it may be may mistake, is this a good place to discuss them before filing on the Nokia qt bugtracker? Niko ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Disable wlan scan with qt-mobility bearer and gconf
Hi! I want to disable wlan scanning in a qt-mobility based app to use the interface with wpa_supplicant/iwconfig and be sure the system does not use it, and I prefer to use a way that may be further compatible with qt, but I'm not able to find an api to achieve that. Reading other projects sources I found that a possible solution is to use gconf and set osso parameters, is that the right way? in that case is it safe/supported/helpful using libgq-gconf-dev? is it planned that library will reach extras? Best Regards Niko ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: QT Packages, Repositories and PR1.2
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: [...] No, it means PR1.2 will probably happen sooner than you think. If A not-affirmative sentence (will not be released for sure before X weeks) may help developers to decide. Regards Niko ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: QT Packages, Repositories and PR1.2
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Marcin Juszkiewicz mar...@juszkiewicz.com.pl wrote: [...] A not-affirmative sentence (will not be released for sure before X weeks) may help developers to decide. nOKIA will not tell you that. My bet is 12 November - until that I will use LR1.2 on my phone (LR == Leaked Release compared to PR == Public Release). I do not need a release date, I need a not release date! E.g., our QA procedure needs 4 weeks of testing after a bug was fixed, as the last was closed a week ago, do not expect public release before 3 weeks, and may be delayed again. Just to have an idea, as user I'm happy with 1.1.1, as developer I need such information. Regards Niko ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Announcing the Maemo Brainstorm 2010
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: What should maemo.org and the Maemo Community look like in six months? What are the top priorities of the Maemo project? What should the maemo.org staff be concentrating on? Hi Dave, it seems the community is very confused in this moment, so this is a very nice and great idea! Let's hope to have a big feedback :) Regards Niko ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Why should I write apps for Maemo?
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I was wondering the same thing: why is it so hard to provide a 1.1.2 image with Qt 4.6.2 installed? +1 If PR 1.2 has too many problems to be released before *few* days, please release a 1.1.2 with the updated qt, actually having skype videocalls or other few things is secondary for the long term success of your strategy. I think you have all the interest to have a community of qt developers around the n900/maemo that may be already mature when symbian v3/meego will be available, delaying that process further may be very dangerous. Regards Niko ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Why should I write apps for Maemo?
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:48 AM, tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: [forwarding to the list too] On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:48 AM, tero.k...@nokia.com wrote: [...] Later on when 4.6 got final it might have made sense, but as Eero said, the release is based on quality and not calendar. And the 1.2 tree had moved forward a lot in that time. Good point, but it *seems* to be not coerent with the entire n900/maemo5 launch, that to many users *seems* was based on calendar (why a front camera without video calls? why skype video calls on pr 1.2 and not umts video calls? are they planned? should we wait for pr 1.3? or meego? but meego will run on n900? n900 is as is, buy the next meego device for improvements, so why pr 1.2? and so on) *user opinions I gathered on maemo forum, do not blame me please* [...] Because it would have to be tested to the same extent as the 1.2 image. And that is not a few days. You may have 3/4 blocker issues on not qt components, while qt may have passed all the QA tests some months ago, or at least is what I can perceive as there is no qt 4.6.2.1 or 4.6.3, but I'm an external guy so can only guess and ask. Look, the N900 is a consumer electronics device. That means that normal people, like your mother, the guy you passed on the street and the person drinking coffee in a cafe use it. Those people cannot handle crashes and bad quality. It really is that simple. Again I have a different view, I'm not so sure that normal peoples know the word maemo or meego as they know symbian or iphone, and at least here, in Italy, I do not know a single guy that buyed the n900 in a normal store, are it's rarely available, and the nokia market was focused on free gps navigation and n97 (every single day on main tv!) so it seems not to be targeted to the mass. And, important, a lot of my friend (linux geeks) buyed the n900 from poor mass market guys that wanted to give it a try and after 2 weeks put it on e-bay becouse not complete on the phone/gps side. In every case this does not mean that quality is not important!, I want only to communicate as a community rappresentative, that there is a big (it may be very big) part of n900 users that are linux geeks and possible developers, and listing for their needs may be good for Nokia too. To fix the QA for normal peoples, and the bleeding needs of developers you have to provide them previews (it seems that qt-sdk, pr 1.2 sdk and meego already follows that line so it's not so absourd). In that way you'll assure a free (gratis) testers community while actually testing happens only inside to Nokia (that has to pay for that, while it wants to give more man power to meego), and you'll never get all the use cases that an entire community have. So, actually, when PR 1.2 will be released if an hided one-line-commit-to-fix bug will come out, we have to wait again for 3/4 months to have it fixed and pass all the qa tests again, while it may be discovered before by the community on the preview images. But I may be totally wrong about that, in that case ignore all my words :) Going positive, I understand that the community stress is at least comparable to the one of nokia developers and administrators, so really hoping you the best in these hot days! Regards Niko ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: n900 recovery mode?
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Andre Klapper aklap...@openismus.com wrote: Am Samstag, den 14.11.2009, 13:50 -0800 schrieb Victor Fragoso: Do you know if there exist any flag telling the kernel to boot in a recovery mode? I don't think there is something like a recovery mode. May be possible to have a dual boot or boot from sd? Niko ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How much are Nxxx open?
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Frantisek Dufkaduf...@seznam.cz wrote: Nicola Mfb wrote: [...] Bootloader on N8x0 and 770 is closed. Kernel and rootfs can be replaced but for best experience one needs to stay with Nokia released kernel versions (2.6.18, 2.6.21). Other versions boot too but not everything is working 100% since some bits are closed or never went upstream or were removed due to bit rot (dspgateway). The freerunner is going to run 2.6.31, the process to submit code upstream started and will be completed quickly. Due to 3d interaction with dri/drm kernel part, or similar other things I guess the n900 kernel will be stonith at some point, that's a bit sad. With N900 we don't know yet but hopefully the bootloader will be u-boot. That's nice, the best would be if we'll be able to update/replace u-boot, and have a way to debrick the device if something goes wrong. I found a thread where an n810 user had to pay to cold reflash its device in nokia center, I did not dig deeply on that, only was warned. Also the hardware is very similar to other OMAP3 based devices (OpenPandora, Beagleboard, Touchbook, even Palm Pre) so the chance of bit rotting is lower. Previously problematic parts (wi-fi, dsp) are more open now, new May you elaborate please? wifi is exposed normally? may we use wpa_supplicant, hostap for master mode? and about dsp, is not there a transparent alsa driver to play anything with any software or to switch connections between the gsm/umts module and mic/earpiece (about that I guess we have to wait a bit more :) ? 'problematic' stuff is 3d and phone parts. 3d have kernel parts open but userspace is not, phone is hopefully open enough. Overall I guess it will be Again about that, are applications able to full use opengl acceleration without using closed userspace libraries? perfect as a Linux hacking device if you like N900 hardware. It depends on how much the closed part is exposed and flexible, the linux on phones project needs freedom to grow. I understand the Nokia differentiation concept and think this is compatible with open hardware specs and write your alternative OS. Actually OpenMoko stopped development and support of freerunner and there are no plans for developing further devices, the important part is that after three years there is now an experienced community that is bringing to the light the linux on phones project. There is a middleware (www.freesmartphone.org) actively developed and running on several phone devices and really more complete than ofono, and there are a lot of experienced developers that for years are enjoying embedded/mobile world, and finally a lot of brainstorming about all that from common users. It would be very nice if the N900 as of it phone module may be one of the next devices that our community may support and join, that's the reason of my questions. I guess N900 may already fit most Linux geeks needs, and I think I'll buy one of it and join the maemo community anyway, but I'm just speaking about a bigger concept. The hardware is exposed by kernel in a standard way, e.g. the phone audio connections are managed by alsa while on other fakefree devices (like HTC dream) there are some closed source libraries to do that preventing the port of opensource phone stack (FSO). The oFono phone stack is open. http://lwn.net/Articles/332820/ There were an irc discussion on that, it was revealed that there is no ofono on N900, but it seems to be in the nokia todo list (I hope with N900 too) so if and when it will be ready this should help in FSO supporting it. Finally, it may be nice if Nokia may donate some devices to FSO and OpenEmbedded core team, any interest/chance about that? Thank you very much and best regards Nicola ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How much are Nxxx open?
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Frantisek Dufkaduf...@seznam.cz wrote: Nicola Mfb wrote: With N900 we don't know yet but hopefully the bootloader will be u-boot. That's nice, the best would be if we'll be able to update/replace u-boot, and have a way to debrick the device if something goes wrong. u-boot is just my guess, any other choice does not look sane to me, but still it can be a wrong guess. OMAP3 is designed to be unbrickable, it can boot from usb or serial or mmc directly from its boot ROM, bootloader in flash is not needed. I'm not sure how configurable is the priority list for booting (i.e. if it could be locked to load bootloader only from NAND flash) but hopefully it will by possible to bypass even the bootloader in NAND(u-boot or whatever). See also http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#BootRom Very nice!, that with free u-boot (we hope) may be perfect! May you elaborate please? wifi is exposed normally? In N900? Yes. N8x0 used own closed wireless stack and own closed wlan driver. Wlan driver was opened later but it needs newer kernel which lacks other stuff. See http://stlc45xx.garage.maemo.org N900 uses normal mac80211 kernel stack and the wl1251 driver is open source too. Very nice too! Also apart from Nokia being more open with N900 also TI is more open with OMAP3 in general (unlike with OMAP2 based N8x0) so there is more information available and bigger community overall. beagleboard.org community is quite active Again about that, are applications able to full use opengl acceleration without using closed userspace libraries? Not now. Looks like PowerVR's business model is currently not open source friendly :-) Maybe someone will write open alternative in future? http://forum.openhandhelds.org/viewtopic.php?f=14t=341 Not so nice :(, I hope we have at least an X11 full 2D/XVideo accelerated driver right? Finally, it may be nice if Nokia may donate some devices to FSO and OpenEmbedded core team, any interest/chance about that? We don't know yet about N900 device developer program but it may be useful to join maemo.org community right now and become a karma hunter ;-) For previous program check http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/n810-maemo-device-program/ http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/rewarding-community-contributors/ Also having application in Fremantle extras-devel repository might be a good idea :-) I'll begin digging in that ;) Frantisek, thanks for you detailed and gentle answer, now I miss only the audio alsa/dsp part if possible. Best Regards Nicola ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
How much are Nxxx open?
Hi! I'm new to this community and these nice Nokia devices, and I'd like to join/contribute/develop for it and buy the upcoming N900. Before proceeding further I'd like to know a bit about its openess. Already googled but there are not much and coherent informations about that. I come from OpenMoko Freerunner experience, where I'm able to flash the bootloader, the logo, the kernel, the rootfs and have multiple boot option to run several linux distro on different sd partitions. There are two bootloaders, the first in NOR readonly, the second in NAND and is used as default and is flashable, so you are able to use a modern and upgradable bootloader and if something goes wrong are able to debrick it booting from NOR, making the freerunner perfect as a Linux hacking device. The hardware is exposed by kernel in a standard way, e.g. the phone audio connections are managed by alsa while on other fakefree devices (like HTC dream) there are some closed source libraries to do that preventing the port of opensource phone stack (FSO). So may someone explain what's about the N900? How much is it open? Thank you in advance and best regards! Nicola ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
