Using glext on n900 and n950?
Hi, i can't figure out how to use glext on n900 or on the n950 using gles1. As a start i'd just like to access glGenFramebuffers() and glDeleteFramebuffers() The only references to this is in GLES/glext.h and the prototypes have are named glGenFramebuffersOES and glDeleteFramebuffersOES . So far so good. I can compile this. But i cannot link it. Against what am i supposed to link gles1 applications using glext? Regards, Till -- Dr. Till Harbaum li...@harbaum.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Qt SDK 1.1 RC released
Hi, i am mainly using the remote compiler (my broken n900 and the absence of any meego device has made symbian my primary target). This still returns a 4.7.2/1.1.1 binary. Will this also change? Till Am Donnerstag 07 April 2011 schrieb Attila Csipa: Good news everyone, There has been an update on the long road to QtSDK 1.1, but we're almost there now - we got the RC today, and the final should not be that far away http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/04/06/qt-sdk-1-1-rc-released/ The differences are mostly bugfixes considering the Maemo side, here's the generic list: Qt 4.7.3 is included for Desktop and Symbian Update to Qt Mobility 1.1.2 Qt Assistant added as separate package (due to developer request) Installer can use system proxy on Linux Notification API moved from experimental to “Additional APIs” Several fixes for the Qt Simulator Several fixes for the installation/updating workflow This is pretty much it WRT to features expected in 1.1 final, too, the difference in RC and the final release will be just showstopper bugfixes. Best regards, Attila ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Maemo builder version problems with geotoad
Hi, i just tried to upload geotoad-3.12.1 to the builder. The ssh upload went fine, but i got no reaction at all. Maybe i am facing version problems? Is 3.12.1 not newer than the current 3.12.0-3? The web uploader also fails as it is incredibly slow and when i finally manage to upload a changes file, it claims the changes file is in wrong format. What's going on here? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Fremantle Community SSU
Hi, Am Montag 01 November 2010 schrieb Matan Ziv-Av: I think that the start a community SSU should be in consulting with the community about the goals of this project and the ways to achieve these goals. Such a discussion needs to take place in a forum that is not real time, and is archived for future reference. I'll start this discussion: What is your goal in setting up this SSU repository? Argh, please stop trying to stop people from doing things. If you want to do something differently, feel free to start something on your own. But do not hinder those who actually get something done. Even if you think it's the wrong way they are doing it. Maemo5 has a shrinking developer base and once a MeeGo handset is out the number of Maemo developers will shrink even faster. Be thankful that there still is someone who's actually willing to get his hands dirty ... Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Please remove gpxview from chinook and diablo repositories
Chinook still doesn't work. Also the diablo builder is/was broken. After build attempts i got a few emails with subject [diablo]: gpxview 0.9.6 UNKNOWN containing some python error messages instead of an actual email content. Also the diablo repo database is broken now. You cannot install gpxview from the repository since the app installer claims that the file length is wrong. Dowloading the .deb from the repository directly via web browser works and installs fine. So the actual package is ok and the meta data is somehow corrupt. Would it be possible to move the diablo/chinook repo maintenance into the hands of some motivated n800/n810 user? The current situation isn't perfect ... Till Am Freitag 27 August 2010 schrieb Andrew Flegg: Till wrote: asked to remove libgio and that's where some arguing started I don't remember seeing any arguing, but I admit I wasn't paying close attention. Anyway, the broken libgio has now been removed (Niels, correct me if I'm wrong) Cheers, Andrew ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Please remove gpxview from chinook and diablo repositories
Hi, asked to remove libgio and that's where some arguing started. But i don't want to argue. So please remove gpxview and i will just stop supporting it on maemo4. In fact removing all those #ifdef MAEMO5's will nicely clean up the code. Till Am Donnerstag 26 August 2010 schrieb Andrew Flegg: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 20:53, Till Harbaum / Lists li...@harbaum.org wrote: i can't compile gpxview against this broken libgio and the libs maintainer just doesn't care anymore. Therefore, please remove all versions of gpxview from the diablo and chinook repositories. I can't update the current ones, i can't fix bugs. Thus they'd better be gone. Isn't the issue to complete the outstanding removal of libgio which is breaking it? Then you won't have any problems. Your continued support of Maemo 4 is appreciated, at least by me. Cheers, Andrew ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Please remove gpxview from chinook and diablo repositories
Hi, ok, thanks, diablo builds again. Will you do the same for chinook? Regards, Till Am Freitag 27 August 2010 schrieb Andrew Flegg: Till wrote: asked to remove libgio and that's where some arguing started I don't remember seeing any arguing, but I admit I wasn't paying close attention. Anyway, the broken libgio has now been removed (Niels, correct me if I'm wrong) Cheers, Andrew ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Please remove gpxview from chinook and diablo repositories
Hi, i can't compile gpxview against this broken libgio and the libs maintainer just doesn't care anymore. Therefore, please remove all versions of gpxview from the diablo and chinook repositories. I can't update the current ones, i can't fix bugs. Thus they'd better be gone. So please just remove all version of gpxview from the chinook and diablo repositories and i'll stop supporting chinook and diablo. It's already close to a waste of time to support maemo4, but it defintely is a waste of time to have to deal with broken libs when supporting maemo4. And no, i won't hack my config files to explicitely ignore soup2.4 on maemo4. I don't mean to offend anybody, but i am only willing to support maemo4 if i don't have to spend additional effort on this. Regards, Till Am Donnerstag 19 August 2010 schrieb Niels Breet: Hi, On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Till Harbaum / Lists li...@harbaum.org wrote: I have some strange undefined references in chinook/diablo: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/gpxview_0.9.4/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Is this a know bug or is maemo4 just finally dying? It is probably libgio which is broken: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libgio0/ This is a user contributed lib, not part of the default sdk. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: diablo/chinook gtk libs in autobuilder broken?
Hi, ok, Faheem doesn't want to support that lib anymore. Would you therefore please remove libgio and all packages depending on it from chinook and diablo repositories. Currently libgio/libsoup24 is in an unusable state, so we don't loose anything. Thanks, Till Am Donnerstag 19 August 2010 schrieb Niels Breet: Hi, On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Till Harbaum / Lists li...@harbaum.org wrote: I have some strange undefined references in chinook/diablo: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/gpxview_0.9.4/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Is this a know bug or is maemo4 just finally dying? It is probably libgio which is broken: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libgio0/ This is a user contributed lib, not part of the default sdk. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: diablo/chinook gtk libs in autobuilder broken?
Hi, ok, i have asked Fayhem about this. What i don't understand: I never had that problem before. This comes now, since now libsoup2.4 is available for diablo (up to now we only had soup 2.2) and this seem to have a dependency on gio. But where does this soup2.4 come from? It's in diablo-extras but doesn't have an owner. How does this happen? Regards, Till Am Donnerstag 19 August 2010 schrieb Niels Breet: Hi, On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Till Harbaum / Lists li...@harbaum.org wrote: I have some strange undefined references in chinook/diablo: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/gpxview_0.9.4/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Is this a know bug or is maemo4 just finally dying? It is probably libgio which is broken: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libgio0/ This is a user contributed lib, not part of the default sdk. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: diablo/chinook gtk libs in autobuilder broken?
Hi, uhm, sorry, his name is Faheem, of course ... Till Am Donnerstag 19 August 2010 schrieb Till Harbaum / Lists: Hi, ok, i have asked Fayhem about this. What i don't understand: I never had that problem before. This comes now, since now libsoup2.4 is available for diablo (up to now we only had soup 2.2) and this seem to have a dependency on gio. But where does this soup2.4 come from? It's in diablo-extras but doesn't have an owner. How does this happen? Regards, Till Am Donnerstag 19 August 2010 schrieb Niels Breet: Hi, On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Till Harbaum / Lists li...@harbaum.org wrote: I have some strange undefined references in chinook/diablo: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/gpxview_0.9.4/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Is this a know bug or is maemo4 just finally dying? It is probably libgio which is broken: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libgio0/ This is a user contributed lib, not part of the default sdk. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
diablo/chinook gtk libs in autobuilder broken?
I have some strange undefined references in chinook/diablo: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/gpxview_0.9.4/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Is this a know bug or is maemo4 just finally dying? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: GoogleCL
Hi, nice! Any examples how to do a google location search with this? Something to use within maep to replace/supplement the geonames search would be great! Till Am Samstag 19 Juni 2010 schrieb Ville M. Vainio: Anybody gave this a spin on phone already? http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/06/introducing-google-command-line-tool.html It seems it will provide a trivial, supported way to integrate with google services. Who will be the first to package it? :) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: QT map widget
Hi, Am Samstag 12 Juni 2010 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: It's rather moot, as this isn't a movie at 25fps, so an occasional image refresh, no matter how it's done, will take magnitudes less energy per time in average, than the backlight eats to display the image. When screen is dimmed (or the widget invisible/hidden/background) then of course all gfx workload should suspend, for obvious reasons 100% CPU load is bad no matter if this is for a 25fps movie or a 0.5fps 3d map widget. Believe me, i have these discussions regarding maep. People _do_ care for CPU load and battery consumption. And this is good. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: QT map widget
Hi, Am Freitag 11 Juni 2010 schrieb Marijn Kruisselbrink: You might also want to look at the marblewidget (http://edu.kde.org/marble/). As far as I know it can be built without any kde dependency, and is pretty powerful. I did. On the n900 as well as on the linux desktop. While i really think this is great for desktops i also think that it isn't the right thing for mobile devices. There are several issues: - It is big and installs ~10MB data - It is pretty complex and doesn't really fit on the small screen - It takes several seconds to load - It runs pretty slow I do understand why people like it, really. But i think the latter two issues are show stoppers. People just won't accept that adding simple map to their programs will cause it to run slow. I have read that poeple are working on the speed issue. But speed alone isn't the problem. More important is battery consumption as those apps tend to be used for a longer period of time. And you wouldn't just have to make it run fast, you'd have to make it run fast without imposing a significant CPU load. Thus i think this whole 3D approach, as cool as it is, doesn't suit the mobile world. All the trigonometrics involved in 3D and the additional CPU load required for proper image stretching/scaling imho doesn't justify the battery drain this will cause. Or am i mistaken and the Marble widget can be switched into some fast and low-CPU 2D mode? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: QT map widget
Hi, Am Samstag 12 Juni 2010 schrieb Ian Stirling: And speedups may be very possible - if for example you can offload portions of the workload onto a GPU. That addresses the performance problem, but this likely also if you do this for performance reasons, it also increases battery consumption as you put additional load onto another component of the SOC. But it may still be good to offload certain tasks from the main CPU to the GPU as the GPU may do the same thing more power efficient. I really think low battery consumption is the most important issue with a map widget as this type of widget is meant to be used over a longer period of time and while being away from stationary power. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: QT map widget
Hi, Am Freitag 11 Juni 2010 schrieb tero.k...@nokia.com: It looks like the people at Qt are thinking of this as well. http://qt.nokia.com/developer/qt-roadmap/ mentions Maps/Navigation API and while the details are really scarce (it's only a roadmap, so that is expected), it does state that: Provides an API to access maps, landmarks and route information for navigation. This also sounds like the wouldn't mind community input/cooperation. Now just to find some troll from Qt who could open that up a bit. Maybe someone inside Nokia could approach them ... hint, hint ... Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: QT map widget
Hi, Am Freitag 11 Juni 2010 schrieb Simon Pickering: Would a wiki page be useful to determine people's wishes for such a Here we go: http://wiki.maemo.org/QTMapWidget Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Howto grab all Maemo5 zoom key events in SDL/SDL_gles app?
Hi,
i'd like to access the zoom keys in a SDL/SDL_gles app (the 3d globe
i uploaded to extras-devel).
The odd thing is that my solution only partly works. Some key presses actually
reach my app as function key presses, but still most of them reach the volume
control. So when repeatedly pressing the zoom buttons my app zooms but also
the volume is changed.
I am using the following code which is inspired by code from scummvm. I am
calling this code once immediately after the SDL setup is done.
Any idea why this still delivers some key events to the volume control?
SDL_SysWMinfo info;
SDL_VERSION(info.version);
if ( SDL_GetWMInfo(info) ) {
/* We use the SDL GFX display (we're using the GFX window too after all) */
Display *dpy = info.info.x11.display;
unsigned long val = 1;
Atom atom_zoom = XInternAtom(dpy, _HILDON_ZOOM_KEY_ATOM, 0);
info.info.x11.lock_func();
Window win = info.info.x11.window;
XUnmapWindow(dpy,win);
XChangeProperty (dpy,win,atom_zoom,XA_INTEGER,32,PropModeReplace,(unsigned
char *) val,1);
XMapWindow(dpy,win);
info.info.x11.unlock_func();
}
Till
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Port of NeHe OpenGL tutorials
Hi, i've started to port the very nice OpenGL tutorial from http://nehe.gamedev.net/ to Maemo5/SDL_gles. The first 8 lessons are there ready to be tested from extras-devel. The project is called nehegles: http://maemo.org/packages/view/nehegles/ Hope this gives the usage of opengl on the n900 a little push ... Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Port of NeHe OpenGL tutorials
Hi, Am Freitag 09 April 2010 schrieb Ahmed Ammar: Good stuff, but which GLES version are you porting to? GLES1 as this is IMHO closer to the GL version used in those lessons. Also, I'd like to bring to your attention a very neat little wrapper that tries to wrap most used GL2 functions to GLES2: http://code.google.com/p/gl-wes-v2/ My set of lessons is in no way limited to the NeHe tutorials, so if you want to contribute some simple and well-documented lesson, you are more than welcome. I actually have got glgears working using this, although it's buggy (can't get lighting to quite work) it makes porting GL2 to GLES2 pretty simple. I haven't encountered any problems so far and the examples already include lighting, textures and other more advanced topics. Just wanted to give my 2 cents. I am by no means a GL/GLES expert. In fact i am learning while doing this, so any contribution is welcome. Regards, Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: 3rd party rom images in maemo repository
Hi, Am Mittwoch 24 März 2010 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: Vice upstream tarball contains ROM images and thats why it boots directly. Debian package has those files removed so user has to download them from Internet. It doesn't matter if others also distribute these files. The only important question is whether maemo.org is allowed to distribute them. If they are alowed to do so since the files are out of copyright or since the vice team has a transferrable permission to do so it's fine. But this should imho then clearly be explained in the package description. On what legal basis does maemo.org distribute all those rom files? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: promote libs in user/* cathegory
Hi, Am Dienstag 23 März 2010 schrieb Niels Breet: But I still like zeemote-conf more than libzeemote-conf ;) Maybe ... but renaming something that has several dependencies and without an easy way to remove the conflicting earlier versions i prefer to just leave it the way it is. Thanks for fixing this, although Javier already removed zeemote support from DrNokSnes to avoid this issue to have an influence on its promotion. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Ask for removal of some packages from Extras Fremantle repository
Hi, why should you have to continue to provide the sources once you removed the binaries? And why should you insist on uploading old versions to maemo respositories which a) just ignores the authors wishes and worse b) interferes with his work on establishing his own repository. Let him his freedom. Let him start his own repository and just see if he fails and ends up on those warning, this repository is dangerous lists or if he perhaps succeeds and ends as the famous community driven repository that is more reliable and causes less anger and has cooler apps than the maemo repositories? Who knows? Why not just letting him do this? Don't take all this so serious! Heck, it's only a cell phone we are talking about. It's not the end of the world if someone actually has fun messing with its possibilities. Till Am Montag 22 März 2010 schrieb Darren Long: Presumably the source must continue to be available from the extras repositories, even after the package binaries have been removed, assuming its under the GPL, which e.g. Pygtkeditor is. I'd suggest not removing the binary packages from extras, on the grounds that they don't have to be removed, and that maemo.org is free to distribute them if we/they so wish. Furthermore, there is no reason why someone from maemo.org shouldn't push source packages from other repositories into extras* to keep them up to date and readily available in the maemo context. This is true for any upstream free package in general, and equally true for any desirable package that just so happens to have been pulled from extras on a whim. No disrespect to Benoit intended. Darren On 22 Mar 2010, at 15:22, Graham Cobb wrote: On Monday 22 March 2010 14:30:00 Matan Ziv-Av wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, Graham Cobb wrote: I just don't see how using your own repository is actually any **better** than just using extras-devel? There are a few problems with extras-devel: - There are way too many warnings all over the place (mailing list, wiki, talk), so some users might be be reluctant to use this repository. This will be true even more so for private repositories. If/when they become at all common, there will be warnings all over the place about not downloading things from private repositories. The biggest problem with private repositories is that there are no guarantees that the binary being installed bears any relationship to the sources offered (if any), or how securely the maintainer manages the repository, so people will start to worry about security/viruses/trojans. Plus a concern that if this was legitimate, why wouldn't the developer use the community channels?. Please note that I am certainly **not** suggesting that you, or Benoit, are at all unreliable or incapable of managing a secure repository, but that people will worry about the risks at least as much as they do about extras-devel. - Some of the warnings are true, so asking people to use this repositort might expose them to unwanted updates. Yes. But using a private repository might expose them to updates where no one can even work out what happened when it breaks. - autobuilder is too limited - currently you can't compile packages that depend on versions in PR1.1. That is a short term problem which only affects a tiny number of packages. It is not a reason for removing something from extras-devel. If a similar problem occurs in the future and affects many packages, a solution will be implemented, just as it is being for PR1.2. - You can't easily remove a package from extras-devel. (Or maybe at all? I asked for a package to be removed two weeks ago. It is still there). Contact the debmaster (Jeremiah) by direct email. - Using extras-devel might lock packages, preventing users that install packages from this repository to later update them from another repository. That is true. Although the user just has to remove the package and re-install it, instead. That said, I prefer to have my packages available both in my repository and in extras-devel, when it is possible. I also have private repositories, for my own testing and for other members of upstream projects (such as GPE) to do testing before I even push something into extras-devel. But that is not the same as publishing that location for end-users. Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org
Re: Howto configure borderless 4:3 tv-out on n900?
Hi, thanks for your reply. I fiddled a little bit around with this. It's pretty easy to stretch the image vertically to full screen. You just need to set echo 640,480 /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/overlay2/output_size and echo 42,30 /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/overlay2/position The media player does the same. The problem is the horizontal stretch. You can't write to /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/overlay2/input_size and by checking what the media player does i found out that it actually changes this to 640x480 when playing a 4:3 video. Unfortunately the /sys interface doesn't allow to write these, so i'll have a look at the ioctls next. Till Am Freitag 19 März 2010 schrieb Frantisek Dufka: I don't know if there is some high level api but a lot of things can be done either via framebuffer ioctl or via changing stuff in /sys/dev/ices/platform/omapdss/ see http://gitorious.org/linux-omap-dss2/linux/blobs/master/Documentation/arm/OMAP/DSS Having full PAL or NTSC with no translation/scaling would be good both for games and video playback too. So far I have only succeeded to change the default 800x480 - TV scaling to be a bit better so it is no longer fuzzy due to extra downscaling. On my TV I can get exactly 480 lines visible in PAL mode which makes reading text much better. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=461660#post461660 For NTSC output (640x480) it would be enough to render to part of the screen and set the size and offset accordingly. For full PAL it would need resizing framebuffer to get more lines (ioctl?). I wonder how OMAP3 display controller features (gfx,vid1,vid2 planes, scaling, mirroring, rotation, tv-out) are mapped to Xv and other X APIs. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Howto configure borderless 4:3 tv-out on n900?
Hi, there seems to be an API to change the behaviour of the TV output on the n900. At least the media player uses it to e.g. display things with a different layout on the internal screen and the tv-out. I am asking this because i think it's a great thing to add to all those 640x480 (4:3) programs and especially emulators. The problem these have is that the have a black border left and right to accomodate for the 800x480 main screen and on tv-out they get another top and bottom border to display the entire internal display contents on the tv-out. The result is a 4:3 image on the 4:3 tv-out with black borders on all four sides and with pixels being lost. This isn't useful at all. I would be really cool if these applications could just request the tv.out to zoom/crop the 4:3 tv-output. That way most emulated games would run full screen and without any pixel loss. How can this be achieved? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Changing chinook support to archive mode
Hi, me too. All my projects are also built for chinook and i even still have an n800 running chinook for testing reasons. If chinook is officially be retired, i'll just flash my n800 to diablo and forget about chinook. I am fine with that. Till Am Dienstag 26 Januar 2010 schrieb Cornelius Hald: On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 21:52 +0100, Niels Breet wrote: It has been quite a while since diablo became the successor of chinook. I think it is time to make the chinook repository read-only and close down the builder instance for it. I'm still building for all three platforms because I think there are still a couple of people using Chinook out there. I know at least one active tmo member who is always testing Conboy on Chinook. This would let us concentrate on improving the features for the platforms that are actually in use. Why not just keep it running? Does it create so much extra work? Maybe we could look at some stats, like how many Chinook packages have been downloaded within the last 30 days? Cheers! Conny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Maemo.org incorrectly reports broken dependency
Hi, i can't promote maep 1.3 into testing because maemo.org claims that it has broken dependencies: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/maep/1.3/ This is 1) not true as it installs fine on the real thing 2) is really strange since the autobuilder created that version How do we solve this? Do i just have to upload the same source code again as this was a glitch in the autobuilder? Or will this be fixed in maemo.org side? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Extras-devel doesn't update?
Hi, i released maep 1.3 today and according to all logs and http://maemo.org/packages/view/maep/ it should have arrived in extras-devel by now. Still my n900 doesn't see it Why? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: SVN moved permanently?
Hi, it would imho be really a good idea if the maemo.org maintainers would document such changes and just write down a few lines of text describing what will change and how the average developer is supposed to cope with this. This e.g. seems not to work: $svn relocate Unknown command: 'relocate' Type 'svn help' for usage. Till Am Freitag 15 Januar 2010 schrieb Henning Heinold: Hi, there is an svn relocate command which should do fine. Bye Henning ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: SVN moved permanently?
Hi, Am Samstag 16 Januar 2010 schrieb koos vriezen: svn switch --relocate https://garage.maemo.org/svn/kmplayer https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/kmplayer (but I've made google as my friend :) Agreed, every developer might take the time to google this. But things are much easier (and less error prone) if the one in charge of this server change would have sent a short email to this list telling people to expect these issues and how this command solves them. Thanks, Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Broken state of repositories
Hi, Am Freitag 15 Januar 2010 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: Other thing: *-dbg packages in extras-devel. OK, this is repo for developers rather then users but can't we move such packages into debug section where That's the point: This repository _is_ for developers. You have a repository that fixes all the things you complain about: It's named extras. Or if you want a little more adventure then use extras-testing. If you think there's a real need for end users to use extras-devel because of some package that you consider end user ready, then get in contact with its author and ask why that package didn't make it yet into extras-testing or extras, Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
SVN moved permanently?
Hi, $ svn up svn: Repository moved permanently to 'https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/maep'; please relocate Is there anything _i_ have to do about this or will this be fixed on server side? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to access geotag information?
Hi, i just realized that we are talking about completely different things when we say geotagged. I am relating to GPS positions. You seem to relate to place names. I just learned that the n900 does not write GPS tags. Correct? Unfortunately that completely spoils the idea to use maep to display these. Converting GPS positions into place names and back to coordinates will likely cause most images to show up pretty far from their real location and even worse will make them all show up at the same place. Is there a way to enable real GPS tagging? Is there any reason why this isn't happending? It's so obvious that just i didn't expect this not to be there. Till Am Montag 11 Januar 2010 schrieb Ivan Frade: Hi, El vie, 08-01-2010 a las 20:45 +0100, ext Till Harbaum / Lists escribió: Hi, Am Freitag 08 Januar 2010 schrieb Ivan Frade: see it when i arrive there). This will be supported in tracker 0.7 (ready to play with on desktop), but not in 0.6/fremantle. Using tracker 0.6 limited to images is a start. Do you have example code somewhere? I have never worked with tracker before. We have some (basic) documentation here: http://live.gnome.org/Tracker/Documentation/RDF-Query Tracker is a daemon visible in DBus. In python, connect to the daemon directly (an example in my own pet-project [1]). In C, use libtracker-client (some examples in MAFW's tracker backend). There should be some libtracker-client gtk-doc documentation, but it looks like library.gnome.org only contains the last unstable version (0.7). This is useless for you, the API in 0.7 is _completely_ different from 0.6 API. Don't get confused with that. The properties you can use in your queries are defined here: http://git.gnome.org/browse/tracker/tree/data/services?h=tracker-0.6 You can also monitor dbus while using the image-viewer to see some queries flying. Regards, Ivan [1] https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=mussorgsky;a=blob;f=src/tracker_backend.py;h=e956f38668066423fa9538a1cb69a4082f776fa8;hb=9d71d07b572bdf50114484b28a0e188d742fcdfc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: debian/optify not sufficient
Hi, Am Dienstag 12 Januar 2010 schrieb Marius Vollmer: ext Till Harbaum / Lists li...@harbaum.org writes: i just added a debian/optify file containing nothing but the word auto to Maep 1.1. Unfortunately the resulting deb package still has the binary in /usr/bin Why? Could you show a complete transcript of the build? Never mind. I have been told that auto optification is either all or nothing. So i'll manually optify it a little more. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Attn map application developers: common cache for maps
Hi, you want to store hundreds of megabytes of map data in ram ... cool ... And what's the advantage of a database if you want to store files? Till Am Montag 11 Januar 2010 schrieb steven gu: Hi: Have you ever considered using two types of caches? Memory cache(maybe shared memory) and persistent cache(sqlite?). Best regards, Asongala -- http://code.google.com/p/xinfomap/ http://code.google.com/p/xinfoqr/ Hi all, I'd like to propose a standard location to store cached map tiles (from openstreetmaps, google, or whichever), so to avoid re-downloading the same tiles when a user is using several applications which store their data in different directories. I'm working on maemo-mapper at the moment, and I know there are other applications (eCoach for instance) that are using map data. We could save user's bandwidth, time and flash space if we put the map tiles in the same place. I would suggest using ~/MyDocs/.maps/provider/type/zoom/tile x/tile y.png Where provider can be google.com, openstreetmap.org or others, and type is street, satellite, hybrid, etc. Does anyone have a better proposal? Any map application developers here, interested in sharing maps with maemo-mapper? Ciao, Alberto -- http://www.mardy.it - geek in un lingua international! ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Unified map tile storage
Hi, hmm, i added a debian/optify with content auto to exactly that version. But the resulting binary is still in /usr/bin. I am confused ... Till Am Samstag 09 Januar 2010 schrieb Jeff Moe: On Friday 08 January 2010 17:01:10 Till Harbaum / Lists wrote: Hi, maep 1.1 is currently in the autobuilder and is supposed to store tiles where you suggested. It is supposed to ask the user whether he wants to move the existing cache etc ... Please give it a try and check that you can live with the result. WORKSFORME. The tile maps appear to have moved. I just did a quick test of disconnecting net and then looking at previous places and they were there and also switching from Hybrid to Google maps, etc. I didn't dig deeper, but it appears to have worked. Thanks for Maep, it's my favorite mapping program. :) -Jeff ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
debian/optify not sufficient
Hi, i just added a debian/optify file containing nothing but the word auto to Maep 1.1. Unfortunately the resulting deb package still has the binary in /usr/bin Why? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Unified map tile storage
Hi, can i force it to optify the remaining stuff, anyway? I consider optification to be so ugly that i rather have the script doing something nasty than spending even more time with it myself. Till Am Samstag 09 Januar 2010 schrieb Andrew Flegg: On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 08:49, Till Harbaum / Lists li...@harbaum.org wrote: hmm, i added a debian/optify with content auto to exactly that version. But the resulting binary is still in /usr/bin. I am confused ... auto will only optify the package if certain criteria are met. One of these (the key one in fact) is whether it's already optified. This is important for when auto becomes the default. Since you've got stuff in /opt/maep, maemo-optify-deb will not do any further optification, as it considers that you're aware of optification and done it yourself. HTH, Andrew ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to access geotag information?
Hi, thank for you for your reply. Am Donnerstag 07 Januar 2010 schrieb Michael Cronenworth: - This consumes much CPU power Reading a file is hardly CPU intensive. Reading thousands of files is. I really don't have much media stored on my n900, but it's already 400 mp3 files, 150 jpegs and 40 avi videos. Scanning them for tags aready would take a long time and even worse would consume lots of CPU (and thus battery) power. - This takes a very, VERY long time Not on an SSD unless you have billions of files. Reading several thousand media files does not take long? You'll have to scan all oif them, even if only a fraction of them actually contains geotags as you don't know which the ones with geotags are before you actually search for them. - This does not work with MP3/WAV/PNG/GIF/AVI/... Quite right. Why do you expect GPS information to be available for these files? Who told you to expect GPS data from those file types? Why should i assume that i can savely ignore them if they all may actually contain geotags? Why should i be sure that e.g. maemo-recorder nor any other app puts geotags into the wav files it stores? - This information can hardly be shared between different apps The standard for JPEG type files is to use EXIF for any and all metadata. Any app should and can support reading EXIF. But then every single app has to scan every single file. That's awful. I think you need to re-think what your goal is. That's sad as it really limits the usage of geotags. The right solution would sure be to let tracker handle this as it's the purpose of tracker to index the disk for media files and to provide meta information to all apps interested in this. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to access geotag information?
Hi, Am Donnerstag 07 Januar 2010 schrieb Michael Cronenworth: How do i access geotags? With libexif. GPS coordinates are in the EXIF data. This only works for jpeg images which are only a fraction of media files stored on an n900. I was fearing to get some answer like this. This has so many disadvantages: - We'll have to scan all files in every geotag aware app - This consumes much CPU power - This takes a very, VERY long time - This does not work with MP3/WAV/PNG/GIF/AVI/... - This information can hardly be shared between different apps - My app has to cache/store this information for all media files to not be forced to re-scan everything everytime it's being started I am afraid this will mean that such a project doesn't make much sense. Thanks, Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to access geotag information?
Hi, Am Freitag 08 Januar 2010 schrieb Michael Cronenworth: GPS data is stored in tracker for images only. Till wants GPS data for *all* file types. If the tracker really already has basic geotagging support, then i think it's the only acceptable solution to use it, even if this is currently limited to images only. This sounds like a classic chicken/egg problem and as long as only the image viewer supports geotagging, noone will bother to extend the tracker for other formats. So if tracker can provide geotagging info i'd be more than willing to use that. Perhaps e.g. the maemo-recorder guys can be convinced to tag their files and this might in turn cause someone to extend the tracker functionality to support geotags in sound files ... I really REALLY think tracker is the only useful way to deal with geotags especially in a mobile device where indexing may really be expensive with respect to CPU power and battery. What's the tracker guru's opinion? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to access geotag information?
Hi, Am Freitag 08 Januar 2010 schrieb Ivan Frade: About other media types... there is no other format containing location, so tracker cannot fill that information by itself. In this web site you can download wav files which claim to be geotagged: http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=73423 That's why i thought the maemo-recorder could do the same. see it when i arrive there). This will be supported in tracker 0.7 (ready to play with on desktop), but not in 0.6/fremantle. Using tracker 0.6 limited to images is a start. Do you have example code somewhere? I have never worked with tracker before. 3) Scanning and reading files is not CPU expensive, but needs a lot of IO, and IO is a very precious resource. Whatever the limit is: You don't want to do this in every single app. Reards, Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Unified map tile storage
Hi, maep 1.1 is currently in the autobuilder and is supposed to store tiles where you suggested. It is supposed to ask the user whether he wants to move the existing cache etc ... Please give it a try and check that you can live with the result. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Proposal: Karma-Whores protection mailing list
Hi, Am Samstag 02 Januar 2010 schrieb Jeff Moe: What's the advantage in delaying the optification? It is soo easy. A The disadvantages: Another round of testing on my side for all three plattforms. Making sure that all features in that version are usable, so i can't just take the current svn which includes half-done features. Loosing existing thumbs-up. The users won't be able to start the optified binary from the command line anymore. Etc etc ... whopping 4 bytes or so. It sounds like your app shouldn't have made it to extras in the first place if it wasn't optified. It _is_ optified and uses ~280k of rootfs space for the binary itself. Just optify and let this die finally. Will happen with the next release once all features currently pending are done. Until then the broken version stays in extras (e.g. crashes if you try to view the relations of a relation and the WMS feature is barely usable due to an offset error). Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Proposal: Karma-Whores protection mailing list
Hi, it seems that some of the extras-testing testers are not really doing a good job. Thus it seems to happen every now and then that some app gets a thumbs down for things it shouldn't be getting a thumbs down for or where such a verdict is at least questionable. My proposal is simple: Let's setup some mailing list which only real developers are allowed to join (may just be everybody with a working app in any of the repositories). And once someone thinks to be the victim of a karma-whore he may ask for help on that list. If we have at least 10 people on such a list we can easily override any such thumb down. In such a case the developer would explain why he thinks the thumb down is not justified and if enough list members agree and help out the problem will be fixed. Does garage allow for invitation-only mailing lists? What do you think? I really think it's wrong that testers can stop bad developers, but that there's no way for developers to stop bad testers. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Proposal: Karma-Whores protection mailing list
Hi, Am Samstag 02 Januar 2010 schrieb Gary Birkett: the voice of the commons is generally to be listened to. Listening to them is fine. we put our apps into the community, our apps are going on their devices, why should we have more say than them? I don't propose that we need to have more to say then them. I just ask certain people to give their vote. This is how all elections work: You ask those people to vote who you think have the right understanding. I am asking developers since i trust them more than someone doing those tests to get enough karma to get the next-gen device for free. a cabal of rebels overruling usually valid issues undermines the process for everyone. Why are developers rebels? I am not asking those people to give a thumbs up for just everything. I ask them to reconsider and override the vote of someone who perhaps doesn't have enough knowledge of the things he's judging upon. i have not updated any apps since finding out I also have to handle optification and other issues. i'm not upset at the mechanism though. I am not sure i understand that. You gave up. Is that right? If this i fine for you: Good. But what if you could actually convince these lists members that indeed your app is a win and that e.g. in your case optification isn't useful? Why not giving you a place/group to explain your technical reasoning behind your work? What do you think? I really think it's wrong that testers can stop bad developers, but that there's no way for developers to stop bad testers. that sounds like a freudian slip, its right that testers can stop bad developers. Perhaps i wasn't clear. I meant: It's good that there's a mechanism to stop bad developers. But it's bad that you can't stop bad testers. till, I know you are miffed about this process, we all have growing pains with the new steps, but we want all our users to have the best experience possible So do i. Preventing bug-fixes from reaching extras due to issues the version already in extras also has is e.g. useless. You gain nothing if there already is a version in extras which has this flaw that's causing the update to be delayed. I am willing to learn: What's the disadvantage of uploading a new version that isn't perfect but better than the previous version? Once a program is in extras the rules what's good and bad just change. Everything better than the previous version should be good. Or what am i missing? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Proposal: Karma-Whores protection mailing list
Hi, Am Samstag 02 Januar 2010 schrieb Jeff Moe: Does this, perchance, have anything to do with what you are talking about? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras- testing_free_armel/osm2go/0.8.1-maemo1 Sure I must say he annoyed me to at first, but make my silly package better for in in the end. Seems if you just freaking optified your binary all these threads could die. Just to make this clear: I WILL do this particular optification. But this will take some time as i am also doing other changes. And any bug i fixed in that version is now delayed. I am annoyed by the fact that my bug fixes are delayed for something the version already in extras also has. Where's the advantage in delaying the update? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: New optification issues in extras-testing
Hi, Am Freitag 01 Januar 2010 schrieb Alberto Mardegan: directory exists (and is a regular dir, not a symlink) and if so copies all the tiles into the new location, and then removes the old dir and makes it a symbolic link to the new location. Yes, that what i also came up with after some thinking. The only issue: This may take some time. I e.g. have ~150MB in that directory. The user may think the installation hangs if i move that much data. So some dialog has to be presented to the user. Ciao, Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: New optification issues in extras-testing
Hi, Am Mittwoch 30 Dezember 2009 schrieb Alberto Mardegan: This is my goal, but please move them in the 32GB storage. :-) Oh, i see what you mean. Urgh ... that's a tricky one as moving them for one app will break the other one. Regards, Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: New optification issues in extras-testing
Hi, Am Dienstag 29 Dezember 2009 schrieb Jeff Moe: You should do so, so your users don't brick their phones. It's soo easy to put everything in /opt. I agree the symlinking madness is a bit messy, but it workz and it's what we are stuck with until we have 2G NANDs. In fact i just thought that i can put the binary in opt and reference it directly from the .desktop file without putting a symlink into /usr/bin I'll do that in the next release (although i don't have a clue how you expect my program to brick a phone by not doing so). Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: New optification issues in extras-testing
Hi, Am Mittwoch 30 Dezember 2009 schrieb Alberto Mardegan: Speaking of which, it would be nice if you instructed osmgpsmap to store the tiles under /home/user/MyDocs/.maps/ so that they could be shared with maemo-mapper (I probably need to modify it a bit so that the repository names are the same that osmgpsmap uses). Uhm, maemo mapper has only recently been ported to maemo5. When i came up with my naming scheme i was the only one storing map tiles that way. Changing things now would mean that all of my apps have to cleanup the old paths and convert the to the new scheme while at the same time making sure that they don't affect maemo mapper etc etc ... With maemo mapper being in a such early state of development i am hesitating to adopt to its rules. And finally: Since when does maemo mapper store plain tiles at all?? Doesn't it store everything in databases (even in varying sqlite or gnudb format)? Or please let me know if you have a better proposal. I am definitely willing to work on this. But today maemo mapper seems to be far from even alpha quality, so i am not sure if i want to change my apps already being in extras to deal with the map tiles repositories of a pre-beta version from extras-devel. What about making maemo mapper deal with my repositories? I very likely by now have the bigger installed user base and thus have to expect more trouble during such a transition. Regards, Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
New optification issues in extras-testing
Hi, i have just been instructed to reduce the size of osm2go _incl._ its depending libraries to under 500k: http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-fd66da42f17511dea9eb9b28404387138 Guys, i really hate the fact that you come up with new rules every three days. I have already had complains about doesn't look nice enough, won't run on maemo6 and now this. Please either a) make the all-libs-together-have-to-stay-under-500k an explicit rule for extras and i'll consider following that rule, or b) just delete that thumbs-down if it's not appropriate and make clear that it's not required that all components together stay under 500k Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: New optification issues in extras-testing
Hi, sorry, the link was truncated. I am talking about: http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-fd66da42f17511dea9eb9b28404387138713 Additional info: There already is a version in extras that is exceeding these new limits. The new version fixes some bugs. So the new version gives no disadvantage over the version currently in extras. Delaying it just prevents the bug fixes to reach the end users. Till Am Dienstag 29 Dezember 2009 schrieb Till Harbaum / Lists: Hi, i have just been instructed to reduce the size of osm2go _incl._ its depending libraries to under 500k: http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-fd66da42f17511dea9eb9b28404387138 Guys, i really hate the fact that you come up with new rules every three days. I have already had complains about doesn't look nice enough, won't run on maemo6 and now this. Please either a) make the all-libs-together-have-to-stay-under-500k an explicit rule for extras and i'll consider following that rule, or b) just delete that thumbs-down if it's not appropriate and make clear that it's not required that all components together stay under 500k Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: New optification issues in extras-testing
Hi, the page you are referring to says: The application or its dependencies ignore the recommendation to use the eMMC to install as much files as possible, filling the root partition with 500kb or more. It does not say that the _sum_ of all dependencies has to be below 500k. This rule that the sum of all components also has to stay below a certain limit is new. Osm2go is below 500k and so is the goocanvas it depends on. Now this guy is talking about the fact that the sum is over 500k. Till Am Dienstag 29 Dezember 2009 schrieb Andre Klapper: Am Dienstag, den 29.12.2009, 13:18 +0100 schrieb Till Harbaum / Lists: http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-fd66da42f17511dea9eb9b28404387138 Error 404: Page could not be found. Probably https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/osm2go/0.8.1-maemo1/ Guys, i really hate the fact that you come up with new rules every three days. Who exactly is you in your sentence? According to the ChangeLog, 500k has been listed at http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist since Oct 22nd, 2009. Maybe you meant two months instead of three days? andre ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: New optification issues in extras-testing
Hi,
it's likely wait too late for such a question, but why doesn't just /opt/bin,
/opt/share etc exist with the system looking into those paths as well?
Noone would have to care about optification then, no symlinks would
be required and most packages could just be optified by configure
--prefix=/opt.
I must be missing a very obvious thing that makes the current solution
better/nicer/whatever.
Till
Am Dienstag 29 Dezember 2009 schrieb Michael Cronenworth:
Jeff Moe on 12/29/2009 08:20 AM wrote:
I don't understand why maemo-optify doesn't just move*everything* to /opt,
including files under 2k etc. What advantage does it give to not have them
in
/opt? For instance, I ran into this problem with asterisk where it had many
small sound files which still put 600k on the NAND.
-} elsif ($size= 2048) {
+} elsif ($size= 0) {
Submit a patch to maemo-optify[1]. This is a must. Only kernel/Nokia
libraries should be on the rootfs. With so little space, there is no
reason for any end-user or commercial generated content to be on the rootfs.
[1] http://gitorious.org/+maemo-af-developers
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Re: New optification issues in extras-testing
Hi, Am Dienstag 29 Dezember 2009 schrieb Eero Tamminen: Where this 500kB figure for these packages come from? As long as there's no indication whether the limit itself is meant to be interpreted as logical or physical memory space there's imho no point of discussing what this guy actually measured. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to change button shape?
Hi, Am Dienstag 29 Dezember 2009 schrieb Cornelius Hald: The theming is defined here: /usr/share/themes/default/gtk-2.0/gtkrc If you look for example for fremantle-button-group-box you will find a style which defines those toggle buttons which are only rounded at the outer left and right button. There is the GtkStyle API with which you can apply a defined style to a specific widget. It's rather cumbersome, but it might work for you. If you're still interested, I can dig up some code where I used this API. Thanks, but i won't need it if it gets complicated. I was interested in using this for buttons used as a replacement for gtknotebook tabs in fremantle. But the current toggle buttons already look quite nice for this purpose, so there's no need to make things more complex. Thanks again, Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: New optification issues in extras-testing
Hi, Am Dienstag 29 Dezember 2009 schrieb Andrew Flegg * you maintain both libgoocanvas3 and osm2go Still this would require additional work i'd like to avoid. * neither are optified (according to the comments) Osm2go is of course optified, otherwise it wouldn't already be in extras. Just the stuff the system needs symlinks for is still in rootfs as i really think this excessive symlinking is ugly as hell. * I *imagine* there aren't lots of other apps depending on libgoocanvas3 which have been let through QA Xournal? ...this would seem to fall on to your shoulders. The STRONG recommendation is that EVERYTHING is optified, and getting pedantic about the numbers when you control both halves of the application stack seems a little churlish. After all, someone wanting to be difficult could split their app into 500 2KB packages which depend on each other :-) Then why do you talk about a 500kB limit if you in fact want _everything_ in /opt? What's the point of giving hard numbers and then stating that you want something different? Now, on to solving the problem, have you tried putting auto in debian/optify? If so, did both packages continue to work after being auto-optified by the builder (or maemo-build-deb in Scratchbox, if you prefer). Why should i? I think the 500k per package limit is fine and neither of my two packages exceeds it. There is a rule, i am following it and that's it. If you don't like the rule, then change it. If you think my interpretation of the rule is valid but not what it intends to say, then re-phrase the rule to become clear. If you want to do neither: Accept my interpretation. The intention is that they *should* (which is why 'auto' will become the default at some point in the future). That's the moment where i'll have to deal with it. Not before. As i said above: I think the current 500k limit per package is just fine, so for me this is just an unnecessary hurdle. Hope that helps, Andrew Regards, Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
How to change button shape?
Hi, hildon buttons can change their shape and their corners aren't always round. One example are those three toggle buttons in the top row of the calender menu. This particular type of reshape seems to happen magically once those buttons are inside a hbox. But there's also the popup keyboard with the abc button which doesn't show the round corners at the bottom. I have a similar setup and also want those bottom corners to not be round. How is this accomplished? How can i influence the shape of such buttons explicitely? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Why is always one textview item selected in HILDON_UI_MODE_EDIT?
Hi, Am Freitag 18 Dezember 2009 schrieb Alberto Garcia: Doesn't that work? That's what GTK_SELECTION_BROWSE is for. It's GTK_SELECTION_SINGLE what i want. But single behaves like browse on Maemo5 in a pannable area. See hildon-touch-selector-normal-mode-example.c That example is not using edit mode but normal mode. Normal mode doesn't work for me as it immediately de-select everything you select. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Why is always one textview item selected in HILDON_UI_MODE_EDIT?
Hi, that's pretty exact also my solution. In the first change event i receive i just deselect everything and don't fo any further processing. Till Am Freitag 18 Dezember 2009 schrieb Marc Ordinas i Llopis: Hi, On 18/12/09 12:45, Till Harbaum wrote: Hi, Anybody else facing this problem? How can i deselect everything in a treeview in state HILDON_UI_MODE_EDIT? I was having the same problem with a GtkIconView and resorted to calling gtk_icon_view_unselect_all after showing the widget. I still get the selected events, though. Regards, marcoil Regards, Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
How to make python2.5 default in scratchbox?
Hi, i am trying to port some software that requires scons at build time and which in turn needs python2.5. There is a python 2.5 in the repository, but scratchbox comes with its own python 2.3. Now the question: How do i make python2.5 the default? And this needs to be in a way that also works with the autobuilder. I am trying to port the latest version of widelands to maemo5. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Developing Map-based apps for N900
Hi, Am Mittwoch 09 Dezember 2009 schrieb Paul Drummond: Thanks for all the help. I am trying maemo-mapper now and I am also looking at various QtWebKit examples that use google maps. I just put Maep in maemo-extras which is a fast and easy to use map widget which can be integrated into any gtk or hildon application. The maep program itself is a very simple example and just displays the map and interfaces it to the GPS. Two of my other projects (gpxview and osm2go) use this very same map. Maep runs on OS2008 to Maemo5 and also on plain gtk (which is what i most of the time use for development). Regards, Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How's using embedded html rendering in fremantle?
Hi, Am Montag 07 Dezember 2009 schrieb oleg.romas...@nokia.com: Mail is using gtkhtml for embedding. Will take a look at this, but usually the nokia apps use heavily modified custom version of most widgets and don't stick to the basic ones. I can only suggest to use browser embedding EAL - see tutorial application also it is possible to use mozilla embedding directly or gtkmozembed. Ok ,thanks, will also have a look at this. In future we can provide API for building web application with responsive-UI widget (current browser rendering widget) This usually means that it will come in some distant future and also won't work with existing/previous devices. So to summarize: There's no preferred way to embed html and every app in fremantle current has its own solutioin (which is also visible from the number of html rendering engines in the repositories an even worse from the number of such engines the typical n900 will have installed ... Hmm, i'd really like to see nokia giving some guidance here so the average developer does not have to cope with various different solutions. Thanks, Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
How's using embedded html rendering in fremantle?
Hi, i'd really like to get in touch with someone who's embedding rendered html in his application. I am fighting with this now since the first days of fremantle and still things don't work as they did in diablo. I am using gtkhtml. This doesn't work well when being put inside a pannable area, nor does it work nicely when using its own finger panning. Also selection seems to be totally broken in fremantle and even the version using a scrollable window (which works fine in diablo) doesn't work in fremantle. I really would like to get in touch with other people dealing with html rendering in their apps and to see how they solved issues like smooth finger scrolling and text selection. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: SVN problems on garage
Hi, no problems here, can check in changes and new files as usual. Till Am Montag 23 November 2009 schrieb Cornelius Hald: Does no one else have troubles with SVN on garage? I can't check in new files into conboy and not into hildon-extras. Maybe I have to check my svn installation?! Could someone please try to check in a new file into SVN and tell me if it works. That would be really nice :) Thanks! Conny On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 03:56 +0100, Cornelius Hald wrote: Hi, I don't know if the problem is with me or the server. When I try to commit something I get the following error: Adding conboy/src/he-fullscreen-button.c svn: Commit failed (details follow): svn: Repository moved temporarily to 'https://garage.maemo.org/svn/conboy/! svn/wrk/5fe2da81-fede-4ca0-877e-f59381bea223/trunk/conboy/src/he-fullscreen-button.c'; please relocate I removed my working copy, did a clean checked out, added two files and tried to check in again. Still the same problem. Hopefully someone can help me :) Thanks! Conny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: SVN problems on garage
Hi, Am Montag 23 November 2009 schrieb Andrea Grandi: what version of svn client do you have? Where do you chek your sources from, using the svn client provided with scratchbox or using your distro one? $ svn --version svn, Version 1.5.4 (r33841) from Ubuntu 9.04, not the scratchbox one. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Extras Testing to Extras, again...
Hi, ok, here's my proposal: Let the system send out emails to all testers that voted thumbs down once a new version is released and remind them to verify if the flaws they've complained about are gone. Or send even an email to all testers of the previous version to ask them to re-test. I must admit that i also don't re-check software i've voted for since it's not that easy to keep an overview on updated packages. Such an email would imho be acceptible as you earn karma with this. Perhaps you can even ask not be notified of new versions, but also not get any karma for testing then. This should also saisfy privacy-concerned testers. Till Am Freitag 20 November 2009 schrieb Brent Chiodo: I'm also in roughly the same position as Aniello with my application TouchSearch [1]. I have a new version ready to be released but will not throw away seven thumbs up to do it... I wish I could just upload it to Extras now; it's a simple Desktop Widget, I think seven people saying it is working fine is enough! [1] http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/touchsearch/1.2-2/ On 11/19/09, Aniello Del Sorbo ani...@gmail.com wrote: So... I am sure I missed something... but what actions were taken to address this issue? I do have Xournal pacakge 20 for more than 10 days with 6 thumbs up out of 10 (i.e. more than 50% of people voted OK). I want to promote it to Extras. And I don't want to depend on others. I REALLY would like to see a Promote to Extras earlier in the process. It's up to me to wait enough time so that people can test it. Again, what I think it's missing is something to vote after the packages has been promoted to Extras so that the bad ones can be pulled out. If the fear is for malicious applications, then there's no way we can prevent those from going to Extras no matter how many days it's been in Testing. (a timer comes to mind). Anyway... actions should be taken and asap. Please. -- anidel Sent from London, Eng, United Kingdom ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Extras Testing to Extras, again...
Hi, why are you all so keen to get stuff into extras? I have thrown away lots of thumbs-up with all the gpxview updates i did. But i have stopped to care. Some guys having given thumbs down never checked the new versions nor commented if the new version solved their issues. So in fact most people just seem to give thumbs down for karma, not to improve those applications. Thus i have decided to play their game by clicking on promote every now or then, but not to care about the result (that's why osm2go actually got 15 thumbs up ... i just never checked if it was ready to go into extras). So my advise: Play the game the way they want you to, but ignore the results. It may be too frustrating to fix things due to user feedback, throw away the thumbs up and then see that these testers actually never come back to see if you've improved things. Be happy ... things could be worse. They might e.g. reduce a developers karma for every thumbs-down one of his apps gets. Or do they? Till Am Freitag 20 November 2009 schrieb Brent Chiodo: I'm also in roughly the same position as Aniello with my application TouchSearch [1]. I have a new version ready to be released but will not throw away seven thumbs up to do it... I wish I could just upload it to Extras now; it's a simple Desktop Widget, I think seven people saying it is working fine is enough! [1] http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/touchsearch/1.2-2/ On 11/19/09, Aniello Del Sorbo ani...@gmail.com wrote: So... I am sure I missed something... but what actions were taken to address this issue? I do have Xournal pacakge 20 for more than 10 days with 6 thumbs up out of 10 (i.e. more than 50% of people voted OK). I want to promote it to Extras. And I don't want to depend on others. I REALLY would like to see a Promote to Extras earlier in the process. It's up to me to wait enough time so that people can test it. Again, what I think it's missing is something to vote after the packages has been promoted to Extras so that the bad ones can be pulled out. If the fear is for malicious applications, then there's no way we can prevent those from going to Extras no matter how many days it's been in Testing. (a timer comes to mind). Anyway... actions should be taken and asap. Please. -- anidel Sent from London, Eng, United Kingdom ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Packaging a bookmark?
Hi, as long as the app manager is a flat list of things i'd oppose to this. It's already a problem to finger scroll to the list of gcompris-packages. Having to also scroll though a list of bookmarks would make things worse. Till Am Freitag 20 November 2009 schrieb Thomas Waelti: Hello list Some of you might have seen my Google Maps webapplication called maeMaps (http://tomch.com/maemaps.html) As it is a always online app anyway, I would like to distribute through Extras not an offline version, but just a bookmark to the online version. This would have the advantage for endusers that people can easily find it through the Application Catalog and for me as a developer greater freedom in updaating and integration with other services. Is that allowed and acceptable? Does it make sense in my case? What would you do in such a case? Best regards and a happy weekend -Tom ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Package does not end up in DIABLO extras-devel
Hi, the same happened to gpxview 0.8.13-1. I emailed Niels about this but he did not yet reply. Till Am Mittwoch 11 November 2009 schrieb Cornelius Hald: Same problem here. Yesterday I did build conboy-unstable 0.6.1.1 for both Diablo and Fremantle. In Fremantle extras-devel it is, in Diablo extras-devel it's not. https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/conboy-unstable_0.6.1.1/ http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/c/conboy-unstable/ Cheers! Conny On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 11:48 -0800, Bruce Forsberg wrote: Yes it compiled successfully. The log (https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/eboard_1.0.3-9-maemo1/) says: [2009-11-10 11:10:13] Processing package eboard 1.0.3-9-maemo1. Uploader: bforsberg, builder: builder2 [2009-11-10 11:10:23] Building eboard 1.0.3-9-maemo1 for target 'maemo-diablo-armel-extras-devel' [2009-11-10 11:42:17] OK [2009-11-10 11:42:19] Building eboard 1.0.3-9-maemo1 for target 'maemo-diablo-i386-extras-devel' [2009-11-10 12:17:36] OK [2009-11-10 12:17:37] Signing build results [2009-11-10 12:17:38] eboard 1.0.3-9-maemo1 has been queued for loading into diablo extras-devel repository It says it has been queued. But I never see it in extras-devel. Bruce On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Frank Banul frank.ba...@gmail.com wrote: You should have received an email from the Maemo Extras Builder, in it there should be a link to the logs. https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/ Frank On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Bruce Forsberg bruce.forsb...@gmail.com wrote: I am working on porting eboard, which is in OS2007, to OS2008 DIABLO. I have got it to compile successfully with the autobuilder but the package never ends up in extras-devel. I have a Section: entry of user/games. Is there a log somewhere that I can look at to find what is wrong with my package so that I can fix it? Thanks, Bruce ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo5 on Beagleboard
Hi, Am Mittwoch 04 November 2009 schrieb Henning Heinold: did you download the latest driver from http://home.eeti.com.tw/web20/eGalaxTouchDriver/linuxDriver.htm ? Nope, i am using the driver that is present in the kernel. It comes with binary calibration and configure program called Touchkit, which resolve your touchscreen problems. There is one funny think to notice the right mouse click is emulated be holding the touchscreen for some time, but this is configurable to your needs via the Touchkit-program. Did you successfully run this program on maemo5 on the beagleboard? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo5 on Beagle
Hi, Am Dienstag 27 Oktober 2009 schrieb Carsten Valdemar Munk: I have uploaded my kernel at http://gitorious.org/maemo5-sgx-beagle/maemo5-beagle-cvm . It is omap-pm kernel with beagleboard patch on top, as well as few patches to get Nokia SGX module going. Defconfig is at http://rcn-ee.homeip.net:81/dl/omap/beagle/v2.6.29-e63cf07-pm42.1/defconfig (answer 'm' to the PVR module when doing make oldconfig) Doesn't work for me: $ git clone git://gitorious.org/maemo5-sgx-beagle Initialized empty Git repository in /scratchbox/users/harbaum/home/harbaum/beagleboard/maemo5-sgx-beagle/.git/ fatal: protocol error: expected sha/ref, got ' -- Cannot find repository: /maemo5-sgx-beagle --' What's that? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo5 on Beagle
Hi, nevermind, i am just too stupid to copy'n paste ... It should be git clone git://gitorious.org/maemo5-sgx-beagle/maemo5-beagle-cvm.git Till Am Mittwoch 28 Oktober 2009 schrieb Till Harbaum / Lists: Hi, Am Dienstag 27 Oktober 2009 schrieb Carsten Valdemar Munk: I have uploaded my kernel at http://gitorious.org/maemo5-sgx-beagle/maemo5-beagle-cvm . It is omap-pm kernel with beagleboard patch on top, as well as few patches to get Nokia SGX module going. Defconfig is at http://rcn-ee.homeip.net:81/dl/omap/beagle/v2.6.29-e63cf07-pm42.1/defconfig (answer 'm' to the PVR module when doing make oldconfig) Doesn't work for me: $ git clone git://gitorious.org/maemo5-sgx-beagle Initialized empty Git repository in /scratchbox/users/harbaum/home/harbaum/beagleboard/maemo5-sgx-beagle/.git/ fatal: protocol error: expected sha/ref, got ' -- Cannot find repository: /maemo5-sgx-beagle --' What's that? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo5 on Beagle
Hi, Am Mittwoch 28 Oktober 2009 schrieb Dirk Behme: How do you guys connect USB to Beagle? Via USB 2.0 EHCI HS connector (#8 in [1])? Or use USB 2.0 HS OTG connector (#12 in [1]) with a special Mini-A plug? Most probably you then connect keyboard and mouse at powered hub? Via OTG and a powered hub. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo5 on Beagle (was: Maemo on Beagle: Broken package dependencies)
Hi, Am Sonntag 25 Oktober 2009 schrieb Dirk Behme: There is some (new?) effort of porting Maemo5 to Beagle: http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_on_OMAP_Project This mentions the zoom plattform and seems to be the project the TI person talked about at the summit. Anyway, this is really promising! Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo5 on Beagle (was: Maemo on Beagle: Broken package dependencies)
Hi, The download page for the zoom patches for maemo-beagle directs one to http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/ which is the homepage of Carsten Munk who seems to be the wellknown stskeeps from maemo.org. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: curious tv out
Hi, sure you got the PAL/NTSC settings right? Till Am Samstag 24 Oktober 2009 schrieb gary liquid: hi am on n900 so will be brief got chance to do some testing witrh n900 and projector tonight my n900 is a month old my n900 works in tv in at home my n900 worked with projectors tested at onedotzero my n900 failed at summit my tv out just failed to show on a projector here with me (it was grainy when it did come through) another n900 here works flawlessly on projector here has tvout driver software changed or has it just worked by fluke up until now? why would it work in the previous places and on other devices at home and not new places? sidenote and very cool: run liqbase on tvout return to desktop or other apps with ctrl \ackspace tvout continues to be liqbase effectively dual display can run one peice of software on projector and another on screen controlled presentations w00t /me sleeps. just thought i would post this because i cant get on irc or anything gary ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: extras-testing and WONTFIX ?
Hi, Am Samstag 24 Oktober 2009 schrieb Andrew Flegg: The QA criteria aren't very stringent and can be summed up as play nice, don't waste battery, try to use /opt. Any package which gets 10 thumbs up can be promoted. So, in your hypothetical case, a if the developer won't fix a bug but 10 people still think it's worthy of going into Extras, the developer will have that opportunity. In fact exactly that happened with gpxview. The fremantle port uses a gtknotebook with bottom tabs. This isn't themed and is a WONTFIX in fremantle (and not documented anywhere, btw) and looks a little bit odd. But it i got the permission to move it to extras, anyway. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Diablo Libssl broken in extras-devel
Hi, yesterday i uploaded 0.7.21 Which version did you re-upload? Till Am Freitag 02 Oktober 2009 schrieb Andrea Borgia: Till Harbaum / Lists ha scritto: Do you mind if I go ahead and upload the fixed package? Not at all. Please go ahead. It's done: builds ok and is installable from extras-devel, so I'm promoting it now. A. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Diablo Libssl broken in extras-devel
Hi, Am Mittwoch 30 September 2009 schrieb Andrea Borgia: Do you mind if I go ahead and upload the fixed package? Not at all. Please go ahead. Or would you rather do it yourself? I will upload 0.7.21 soon, i am just waiting for some new icons. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo (alpha) on Beagle: USB mouse
Hi, i remember that i needed some delay in one of my startup scripts to make the mouse work reliable. But if you startup the GUI manually you should already be slow enough. What happens if you plug the mouse directly without any hub? Till Am Freitag 25 September 2009 schrieb Dirk Behme: I now managed to boot http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/alpha.html on BeagleBoard :) I get desktop on attached display and mouse cursor in the middle of the screen. But it seems that USB (mouse) isn't recognized at all, so no movement. I use keyboard mouse attached to powered USB hub connected to Beagle's OTG port. This normally works fine for other Beagle applications. Anything special has to be done to use USB mouse for Maemo demo on Beagle? Many thanks Dirk ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Considering /opt and MyDocs in your packages
Hi, Am Mittwoch 16 September 2009 schrieb Marius Vollmer: The top ten entries are: enigma 19 16276 I just /opt-imized enigma Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo on Beagle: Broken package dependencies
Hi, i'd really suggest that we stop using this alpha port and somehow join forces to get the beta2 port running or even wait for the final sdk. I am really interested in getting fremantle to run on the beagleboard, but the alpha sdk really is useless nowadays as not a single application from the current extras-devel will work with this. Also the alpha sdk is pretty limited. Anyone interested/willing to help on this? This could imho be a really neat thing as e.g. my beagleboard setup would be a great living room appliance. Till Am Donnerstag 17 September 2009 schrieb Dirk Behme: Hi, while doing http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/alpha.html I'm stuck in [sbox-maemo-beagle: ~/rootfs ] fakeroot ./make_rootfs.sh stage. Using packages list from http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/files/maemo5-alpha/packages I get: -- cut -- [sbox-maemo-beagle: ~/rootfs ] fakeroot ./make_rootfs.sh ... Reading package lists... Done Downloading packages Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Note, selecting dbus instead of dbus-1-utils Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: hildon-control-panel: Depends: libcodelockui1 (= 1:1.5.7) but it is not going to be installed hildon-home: Depends: osso-bookmark-engine but it is not going to be installed osso-systemui: Depends: libfontconfig1 (= 2.6.0) but 2.4.1-1osso5.cs2007q3 is to be installed Depends: libfreetype6 (= 2.3.9) but 2.3.5-1osso1+cs2007q3 is to be installed Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.20.0) but 2.18.1-1maemo2 is to be installed E: Broken packages [FATAL] Unable to download packages -- cut -- Disabling these three packages with changes in attachment things go on. But I'm not sure this is correct :( Any hint? Many thanks and best regards Dirk ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
How to promote libs via extras-testing?
Hi, how is promoting libraries supposed to work? It's basically impossible to promote just a library since there's no useful way to test a library alone. But you can also not just promote an application using a library from extras-devel as it would be broken without its libs. osm2go is such an example as it depends on libgoocanvas which is also in extras-devel Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Fremantle: Opening URLs and local files
Hi,
i am using tablet-browser-interface which imho exists
for exactly this purpose:
#include tablet-browser-interface.h
osso_rpc_run_with_defaults(my_osso_context, osso_browser,
OSSO_BROWSER_OPEN_NEW_WINDOW_REQ, NULL,
DBUS_TYPE_STRING, my_url,
DBUS_TYPE_BOOLEAN, FALSE, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID);
Till
Am Donnerstag 17 September 2009 schrieb Faheem Pervez:
Hi,
I'm a libosso whore so this is how I do it:
#include libosso.h
osso_context_t* osso_context;
osso_rpc_t* osso_retval = { 0 };
char *open = http://www.google.com;;
osso_context = osso_initialize (com.what.ever, 0.9.9, FALSE, NULL);
osso_rpc_run(osso_context, com.nokia.osso_browser,
/com/nokia/osso_browser, com.nokia.osso_browser,
open_new_window, osso_retval, DBUS_TYPE_STRING, open,
DBUS_TYPE_INVALID);
osso_deinitialize(osso_context);
open_new_window does what it says on the tin: a new window is opened
with the URL supplied. You can also substitute that for load_url
which will, depending if a window is already open, a) load the link
given into a browser that is already open OR b) open a new window with
the link given.
I've been naughty here and have hardcoded the method names etc. but
these are all defined in /usr/include/tablet-browser-interface.h
And, yes, this works under Fremantle. ;)
Best Regards,
Faheem
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Thomas Perl th.p...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello!
Is there a command-line utility that can be used or a D-Bus call? If so,
where is the D-Bus call documented (sample code would be enough ;).
Thanks,
Thomas
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Re: Diablo Libssl broken in extras-devel
Hi, please remove osm2go entirely from the repositories. I still get several emails a day regarding problems with various libssl versions. I just cannot answer them all since i don't even know myself which versions are where and what conflicts with what. So please remove osm2go completely from at least the diablo repositories. I may upload a new version once these things have settled. Till Am Mittwoch 09 September 2009 schrieb Ed Bartosh: 2009/9/9 Jeremiah Foster jerem...@maemo.org: On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:43, Ed Bartosh wrote: BTW, before removing it from extras-devel try to find all packages which depend on it and after removing libssl reupload them to the autobuilder. They will be rebuilt with proper openssl then. How does that work? I thought the problem was that it was being built from stuff from extras-devel - how is it going to suddenly find the right libs? Autobuilder uses extras-devel and SDK repos to satisfy build dependencies. So, if you remove libssl from extras-devel and reindex repository next builds will use proper libssl from SDK repo. SDK version of libssl should be the same as device one. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Considering /opt and MyDocs in your packages
Hi, Am Mittwoch 09 September 2009 schrieb Henrik Hedberg: some kind of loopdevice or similar when exposing a part of it as an USB storage in VFAT format? That way also the annoying not mounted right Exposing via USB just means allow it to be mounted from USB. I still don't see how this allows you to have it mounted internally via loopback at the same time. Whatever you do, you'll end up with two systems mounting the same filesystem simultaneously which IMHO just isn't possible. The only solution imho is to have _one_ machine doing the actual filesystem and the other other one doing file-based io via the first machines file system drivers. E.g. as nfs/samba/scp or some clever fake vfat fuse thing which sounds to be everything but trivial to do. Perhaps it's time think about threating the device like a NAS rather than a usb mass storage device. NAS devices have become mainstream enough that normal people are supposed to set them up and be able to use them. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Diablo Libssl broken in extras-devel
Hi, Am Dienstag 08 September 2009 schrieb Graham Cobb: I haven't checked this out myself but I **think** what Till is seeing is that the autobuilder builds his app with the libssl package from extras-devel and ... Yes, what you are describing is exactly what i was trying to say. Thanks for the translation :-) Any chance to get this resolved fast? I am getting a bunch of error reports. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Diablo Libssl broken in extras-devel
Hi, how can i prevent the autobuilder from using libs from extras-devel? A user reported this: I'm trying to upgrade to the latest version: 0.7.20-meaemo1 but I get the following error: Missing application packages: libssl0.9.8 (= 0.9.8f-5) This is due to the fact that this lib is in extras-devel. Even worse: That lib collides with osso-version-rx44 (or so, i forgot the exact error message). So how do i make the build process ignore that lib or how do i get it completely removed from extras-devel and how can i just rebuild that osm2go version? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: diablo promoter page is broken?
Hi, i have the exactly opposite case! I am being told that building my package failed. But in fact everything worked fine. [2009-08-20 22:15:01] Processing package osm2go 0.7.16-maemo1. Uploader: harbaum, builder: builder1 [2009-08-20 22:15:08] Building osm2go 0.7.16-maemo1 for target 'maemo-chinook-armel-extras-devel' [2009-08-20 22:15:33] FAILED [2009-08-20 22:15:34] You can find more info about this build here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/chinook/osm2go_0.7.16-maemo1/ Till Am Samstag 22 August 2009 schrieb Jeremiah Foster: On Aug 22, 2009, at 24:12, Kimitake wrote: Hi Jeremiash, Hi Kimitake, I tried to promote qt4-x11 packages 2 days ago and the promoter page displayed OK message, but they are not moved to extras. I guess there is something error on site. I will inform Niels, who has written most of the code for promotion. I have a tool that can test this as well, hopefully we can find the error and fix it. Thanks for letting us know. Jeremiah ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Diablo promotion is broken ...
It throws some python error messages ... Till -- Dr. Till Harbaum t...@harbaum.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Second text row in treeview entry (like HildonButton)
Hi, Am Mittwoch 12 August 2009 schrieb Sergio Villar Senin: Well I don't know if there is a need for such kind of widget, but take into account that Modest has very specific requirements, that forced us (long time ago during Diablo times) to create our custom cell renderers to implement UI designers ideas This is basically up to maemo/nokia if they consider this to match their gui design and thus want to encourage this by proposing a widget or some example code. I spent an hour or two browsing the modest source code and decided that hacking this up from the modest source is not worth the effort. Regards, Till -- Dr. Till Harbaum t...@harbaum.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to place a button in the fremantle title bar?
Hi, ok, i had a look at these, but a HildonEditToolbar appears _below_ the main screens title bar in my experiment. In the video it replaces the main screens title bar. How comes? Till Am Freitag 10 Juli 2009 schrieb Daniel Martin Yerga: Hi. - Original message - Hi, watching the modest screencast at http://blogs.igalia.com/dape/dape/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/modest-fremantle-guadec.ogv you'll see at 0:45 a Move button in the screens title bar. How does it get there? Seems to be a perfect place for zoom buttons in osm2go. - It's a HildonEditToolbar. I think it only allows one button so I don't know if it could be useful in your case. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to place a button in the fremantle title bar?
Hi, Am Montag 20 Juli 2009 schrieb Claudio Saavedra: You need to fullscreen your window to tell the WM not to draw its decorations. Sure, but in that video you see that the main window is not fullscreen. As i said: The HildonEditToolbar _replaces_ the main screens window decorations. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: How to place a button in the fremantle title bar?
Hi, Am Montag 20 Juli 2009 schrieb Claudio Saavedra: Did you try it already? Nope, because it's not what i want. I want the button to replace my title bar as visible in that video. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Fremantle font sizes
Hi, i just noticed that the font sizes seem to have changes from beta to beta2. There are some dialog boxes in osm2go that now look ugly since the usable space has been reduced. Will this continue to happen? Or is this the same as with diablo and chinook where the fonts on the real devices are smaller than the ones in the sdk? Or will i have to redesign the affected dialogs? Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Fremantle font sizes
Hi, Am Mittwoch 15 Juli 2009 schrieb Andrew Flegg: Your comment makes it sound like you're seeing bigger fonts. I noticed a font change too, but I could swear my beta2 install has *smaller* fonts than beta1. Yes, i am seeing bigger fonts. Till ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Submenues in Fremantle
Hi, sure, there are no real submenues, but you can easily popup a different HildonAppMenu on selecting an entry in the main menu. That's imho nicer than those stacked windows containing nothing but a vbox full of buttons. I am just uploading gpxview-0.7.2. Have a look at it if you wnt to see what i mean. Till Am Montag 06 Juli 2009 schrieb Henrik Hedberg: Till Harbaum / Lists wrote 05.07.2009 18:44: i already tried this and it looks much better than the extra windows. Why are there different tutorials/style guides for this? ... - Can i add a title? I'd like if the submenues are somehow titled like the main menu entries they were reached from. Could you explain what have you tried? As far as I understand there are no such things as submenus. There is only AppMenu and of course Sub Views (of which Tim speaks) that are actually stacked windows (which I would understand as extra windows). Am Sonntag 05 Juli 2009 schrieb Tim: Till, Have you tried to create new Sub Views for each of the submenu items? BR, Henrik ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
