Re: [maemo-developers] New Nokia 770 software image available
Brad Midgley wrote: I noticed the rs-mmc has more connectors than a plain mmc card. In theory, requiring rs-mmc might make it so the nokia doesn't have to run the card in a slower compatibility mode. Well, not exactly. RS-MMC is what is says 'reduced size' MMC. I've got few MMC and RS-MMC cards and they have same number of pins. What you probably mean is the newer MMCplus format with more pins. This format is backward compatible and comes in both normal and reduced size. But I'm afraid N770 device cannot take advantage of such faster cards anyway. If you look into the N770 slot there are simply no contacts for the newer standard. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] New Nokia 770 software image available
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Fr?d?ric Crozat did have cause to say: Le lundi 24 avril 2006 à 22:35 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : 2) Why did Nokia use a RS-MMC connector? A standard SD- Card interface would have been nice. Maybe for a future device... The Nokia people already explained they designed 770 with parts already used in other Nokia phones, to reduce production cost of 770. And RS-MMC is the most commonly used memory card used in Nokia phone currently (because it is small and with dual voltage, it requires less power, but for this last point, 770 doesn't require DV). Like I said earlier, the -nokia- 9300i phone I have uses full-size mmc. As do most of the nokia phones I've handled. I didn't verify the whole list, but a quick glance at a store's compatibility list for a 1g mmc+ is: Nokia 6230, Nokia 6230i, Nokia 6600, Nokia 6620, New! Nokia 7710, Nokia n-Gage, Nokia 9500/9300 Communicator, Nokia n-Gage QD, Nokia 3300, Nokia 3650/3660, Thats a -lot- of pre-existing in-house off-the-shelf MMC/MMC+ knowledge. Just for completeness, the same site lists this for 'standard' rs-mmc with no adaptor: Nokia N770 tablet, Nokia 3230, Nokia 7610, Nokia 6260, Nokia 6670, (NB. Not Nokia N70, N90, 6630, 6680, 6681 - select dual voltage RS-DV-MMC) And here's the dual voltage list: Nokia 6630, 6680, 6681 and new N-Series like Nokia N70, Nokia N90 and Nokia N770 Tablet, Nokia 7610, Nokia 6260, Nokia 6670, Nokia 3230 Looks heavily in favor of the full-size mmc, but maybe thats just me. (I wouldn't be surprised if the reason is one tech guy thought it'd be cool or we expected to desperately need the space and then momentum took over..) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] New Nokia 770 software image available
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) Why did Nokia use a RS-MMC connector? A standard SD- Card interface would have been nice. Maybe for a future device... Isn't SD a closed format requiring non-disclosure agreements (and it does not mix well with Linux for this reason) ??? Regards, Jac --- Jac KersingTechnical Consultant The-Box Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] CISSP http://www.the-box.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] New Nokia 770 software image available
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Jac Kersing did have cause to say: On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) Why did Nokia use a RS-MMC connector? A standard SD- Card interface would have been nice. Maybe for a future device... Isn't SD a closed format requiring non-disclosure agreements (and it does not mix well with Linux for this reason) ??? Plenty of linux devices with SD exist. (The entire zaurus line, for example.) Even skipping the whole SD thing, how about a full-size mmc? You can't tell me there isn't another .5cm of room in there somewhere. RS-MMC has got to be the part I hate the most on this - I've got tons of devices, and it is the ONLY one that takes rsmmc. (Most take SD/MMC, or CF, and the new phone takes MMC only. But even the phone takes full-size mmc, and its a nokia 9300i with arguably much higher component density than the 770. Using rsmmc was a really bad move and hopefully one they won't repeat if they want adoption to pick up.) Honestly, the 770 is only a hair smaller than my zaurus (c760) and the zaurus finds room for SD/MMC -and- a full cf slot. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] New Nokia 770 software image available
hey Isn't SD a closed format requiring non-disclosure agreements (and it does not mix well with Linux for this reason) ??? Plenty of linux devices with SD exist. (The entire zaurus line, for example.) Even skipping the whole SD thing, how about a full-size mmc? I noticed the rs-mmc has more connectors than a plain mmc card. In theory, requiring rs-mmc might make it so the nokia doesn't have to run the card in a slower compatibility mode. I couldn't find any decent info on this so it's all a guess. Brad ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] New Nokia 770 software image available
I think that's because it's a dual voltage card Bob On Monday 24 April 2006 23:08, Brad Midgley wrote: hey Isn't SD a closed format requiring non-disclosure agreements (and it does not mix well with Linux for this reason) ??? Plenty of linux devices with SD exist. (The entire zaurus line, for example.) Even skipping the whole SD thing, how about a full-size mmc? I noticed the rs-mmc has more connectors than a plain mmc card. In theory, requiring rs-mmc might make it so the nokia doesn't have to run the card in a slower compatibility mode. I couldn't find any decent info on this so it's all a guess. Brad ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- V +44 (0) 1296 747667 F +44 (0) 1296 747557 C +44 (0) 7860 406093 Diamond Consulting Services Ltd Dinton Aylesbury Bucks, HP17 8UG England ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] New Nokia 770 software image available
2) Why did Nokia use a RS-MMC connector? A standard SD- Card interface would have been nice. Maybe for a future device... Isn't SD a closed format requiring non-disclosure agreements (and it does not mix well with Linux for this reason) ??? Not exactly. Its apparently an open(ish) format with a number of patents attached and various NDAs. See blog here http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2006/04/13/#20060413-sdcard for more info. Peter ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] New Nokia 770 software image available
Le lundi 24 avril 2006 à 22:35 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : 2) Why did Nokia use a RS-MMC connector? A standard SD- Card interface would have been nice. Maybe for a future device... The Nokia people already explained they designed 770 with parts already used in other Nokia phones, to reduce production cost of 770. And RS-MMC is the most commonly used memory card used in Nokia phone currently (because it is small and with dual voltage, it requires less power, but for this last point, 770 doesn't require DV). -- Frédéric Crozat ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] New Nokia 770 software image available
Greetings! A new Nokia 770 software image -2005 Software Edition- is available from http://www.maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770?f=Nokia_770_SE2005_5_2006_13_7.bin The version is 5.2006.13-7. Changelogs are not available. Regards, maemo team ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] New Nokia 770 software image available
Disconnect wrote: Will changelogs be provided later? (Not to threadjack this into the other conversation, but this is a great example of where nokia can better their interaction with the community in a fairly easy way. Even if some parts have to be left out or summarized as Browser stability, most of the changelogs should be safe enough.) http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-April/003639.html Might be a fix for this problem? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] New Nokia 770 software image available
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, Siarhei Siamashka did have cause to say: Disconnect wrote: Will changelogs be provided later? (Not to threadjack this into the other conversation, but this is a great example of where nokia can better their interaction with the community in a fairly easy way. Even if some parts have to be left out or summarized as Browser stability, most of the changelogs should be safe enough.) http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-April/003639.html Might be a fix for this problem? Might be a whole lot of things... thats the point.. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] New Nokia 770 software image available
Early reports have found the following: 1. Opera Browser - can load large sites without using swap file workaround 2. PDF reader - faster in opening pdf files (e.g. 40 seconds to 3 seconds) 3. Sound prompt when inserting/removing into/from case - some have found this a bit annoying The discussion can be found here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1840 On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:22:52 +0200, Detlef Schmicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, Siarhei Siamashka did have cause to say: It is not a fix for: [Bug 329] WIFI connection drops intermittently In case anybody hoped so. Detlef Schmicker Disconnect wrote: Will changelogs be provided later? (Not to threadjack this into the other conversation, but this is a great example of where nokia can better their interaction with the community in a fairly easy way. Even if some parts have to be left out or summarized as Browser stability, most of the changelogs should be safe enough.) http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-April/003639.html Might be a fix for this problem? Might be a whole lot of things... thats the point.. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Detlef Schmicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] New Nokia 770 software image available
Sup, I just tried it, i have the newest OS and only x chat + x terminal installed. And i found that they have turned everything that logs anything off. There isn't any log files in /var/log/. So at least wtmp file growing has been handled. Cheers, Forge -- Siarhei Siamashka wrote: Disconnect wrote: Will changelogs be provided later? (Not to threadjack this into the other conversation, but this is a great example of where nokia can better their interaction with the community in a fairly easy way. Even if some parts have to be left out or summarized as Browser stability, most of the changelogs should be safe enough.) http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-April/003639.html Might be a fix for this problem? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
