Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Igor, And please stop speaking about html code as I use the same mailer for years and in your previous e-mails you have seen no problems. So what's the problem with you today. The fact that people have brought up this issue until now doesn't mean the have been annoyed by it before. This is a mailing list for developers, and developers usually have high-standard regarding many technical things, and that includes net-etiquette. Probably you won't read this either, but:: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 - Make things easy for the recipient. - Assume that individuals speak for themselves, and what they say does not represent their organization (unless stated explicitly). -- Felipe Contreras ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Community council is a representative body - not community leadership (upate2)
Please unsubscribe me from maemo-developers list as I am not interested in your fight for maemo comunity leadership. Maemo community council is not a good idea as long as the community is sponsored by a corporation, as it may hurt relations between community members , community representative body and a corporation. Developer is any developer. So developer from Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Samsung, Apple is still developer in terms of Maemo.org, subject to membership in the Maemo community. So Global Alliance on Open Free Software is the best idea to give independent developers some independence and protection of their respective intellectual property rights. Flagship of Maemo is Maemo Mapper. Maemo Mapper is free open software. But Maemo Mapper is not open project. We have only one revision by developer of Maemo Mapper not a tree of revisions by third party developers. There is no way to finance developers of free open source applications as they refuse to accept any money for add-on features. So any such excellent project is free open source software but Closed Project in fact. What I suggested months ago was to build projects as Finite-State-Machine top-down charts and to have them administered and managed as Open Projects, inviting third parties to join and co-develop new features, enhancements, to have low development time and have really hot software product. GPS navigation is still a hot product, highly profitable to developers and corporations (maps). One of the hot features is Map Share incorporated by TomTom. There is a number of other hot features, which can still be incorporated into Maemo Mapper or other open free software development. Unfortunately Maemo Mapper is one-man Closed Project. To get it opened one needs to rewrite it as a Finite-State-Machine chart and tell third party developers its weak and strong points and let them know binding points for new features, database connections APIs and the like. Maemo Mapper has still a chance to be No.1 in global gps navigation given new features, new add-ons are incorporated. So as a flagship of Maemo.org, Maemo Mapper is great application and solution for any commercial navigation delivered to market by any corporation, generating profit on selling Linux embedded GPS device. Unfortunately, at the present state of the art, I see today no new revisions of MM by third party developers, showing new features, add-ons, so I name MM as a Closed Project, not meeting Finite-State-Machine standards. To move Closed Projects to Finite-State-Machine Open Projects takes some time and efforts, but only acting that way a new quality software products can be made in shortest time. Closing. Yesterday I had a dream. Great dream. I was reading news using newspaper-like monitor. It may take some years my dreams come true. So please unsubscribe me from maemo-developers list to let me keep my mailbox free from your fight for leadership at maemo. Please don't respond. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership (upate2)
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please unsubscribe me from maemo-developers list as I am not interested in your fight for maemo comunity leadership. https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers As stated in the footer. --snip- -- Nick Loeve ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership (upate2)
Darius Jack wrote: Please unsubscribe me from maemo-developers list as I am not interested in your fight for maemo comunity leadership. phew :) Someone please help him... ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership (upate2)
Darius Jack wrote: Yesterday I had a dream. Great dream. I was reading news using newspaper-like monitor. Wow, just wow. Couldn't resist and did a google search and it looks like in Poland he is a living legend called Expierd (funny wordplay on word Expert). If you understand polish check the series http://licorea.pl/bart/blog/2007/01/30/ekspierd/ People also collected book of his funny quotations since 1996 here (in polish) http://xox.pl/~zamsz/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership (upate2)
You're serious ??? On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darius Jack wrote: Yesterday I had a dream. Great dream. I was reading news using newspaper-like monitor. Wow, just wow. Couldn't resist and did a google search and it looks like in Poland he is a living legend called Expierd (funny wordplay on word Expert). If you understand polish check the series http://licorea.pl/bart/blog/2007/01/30/ekspierd/ People also collected book of his funny quotations since 1996 here (in polish) http://xox.pl/~zamsz/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership (upate2)
Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: You're serious ??? Yes. Sorry if it wasn't clear. What I mean is that it seems Darius has relatively rich history of trolling on Polish internet. Too bad I can't find babelfish equivalent for PL language, here is also some analysis again in polish from 2001 by one of his 'admirers' http://groups.google.com/group/pl.internet.polip/browse_thread/thread/c927092e6b09f6da/24d5ccf55b4ff862 Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership (upate2)
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: You're serious ??? Yes. Sorry if it wasn't clear. What I mean is that it seems Darius has relatively rich history of trolling on Polish internet. Too bad I can't find babelfish equivalent for PL language, here is also some analysis again in polish from 2001 by one of his 'admirers' http://groups.google.com/group/pl.internet.polip/browse_thread/thread/c927092e6b09f6da/24d5ccf55b4ff862 I've used Google Translate and got it. No wonder it was so fun to read. Glad he moved away. Let's continue our work now. Enough time spent on him. -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership (upate2)
Hello Frantisek, just tell me how it works at Maemo.org sponsored by Nokia. One day discussion on community council is off-topic. Another day your off-topic spam is on-topic. What is your communication standard at Maemo.org, sponsored by Nokia. If you really like to read a lot, visit Semantic Multimedia Magazines (my RD Project) http://groups.google.com/group/metallica4you/web/magazines?hl=en And let me know your opinion. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership (upate2)
Do not feed the troll ... (http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/troll.jpg) 2008/6/17 Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Frantisek, just tell me how it works at Maemo.org sponsored by Nokia. One day discussion on community council is off-topic. Another day your off-topic spam is on-topic. What is your communication standard at Maemo.org, sponsored by Nokia. If you really like to read a lot, visit Semantic Multimedia Magazines (my RD Project) http://groups.google.com/group/metallica4you/web/magazines?hl=en And let me know your opinion. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership (upate2)
Found this, thought it was relevant. Regarding Trolls: A short story at the beginning of the telepathic revolution 0020080617 by Professor S. Blake broadcaster begins speaking over the sound of birds chirping I thought trolls were lucky? We should make more in a reprap and give them to other opensource projects. Each sugary unit will be an mp3 player that plays music of Sun Ra endlessly in a loop while emitting atomized highly-evolved nootropic drugs into the air and pulsating brainwave frequencies of a luxurious variety. The sky is a sea of darkness when there is no sun to light the way. The music jams, and then the troll pontificates and decides to make a non-profit, join an opensource project, and write some code on his liquid dream screen monitor. Yeah, he has a dream, it's to transfer his consciousness into computers and be a conscious avatar that floats between dreams on the net. Then with his artificially intelligent neopet in the shape of a great white horse he'll take the world by storm. Summon Wind! fin camera pans away from a dusty book that has light streaming from the pages until it reaches a great white light that is shut out by the closing book, finally leaving only darkness ending credits to be read aloud in the voice of a broadcaster A Rainbow Sky Dragon Wizard of Super Dimensions Production Brought to you by IQ5000 Brain boosting drinks, Telepathic Horizons Corporation, Viral Nanobots Inc., and the Center for Extra-Planetary Life Management. And the kind support of sentience like you. Thanks for being present and good way to you. end transmission On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do not feed the troll ... (http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/troll.jpg) 2008/6/17 Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Frantisek, just tell me how it works at Maemo.org sponsored by Nokia. One day discussion on community council is off-topic. Another day your off-topic spam is on-topic. What is your communication standard at Maemo.org, sponsored by Nokia. If you really like to read a lot, visit Semantic Multimedia Magazines (my RD Project) http://groups.google.com/group/metallica4you/web/magazines?hl=en And let me know your opinion. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership (upate2)
Hi, Can we please put an end to this thread? If anyone has any comments on the community council proposal, please comment on the thread I started yesterday. Thanks, Dave. Paul Bloch wrote: Found this, thought it was relevant. snip -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
Hi, managers, project managers, Think-Tanks, best developers stay for community leadership. At Google Groups, the most experienced developers, answering questions and providing valuable feedback are called Gurus, being nominated by Google Project Managers. Please have a look at Wikiedia entry for Community Council http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_council Community council From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Community councils (CCs) are the most local statutory representative bodies in Great Britain. Community councils in Scotland and Wales are somewhat similar to parish councils in England (which can also have the style Community council). In Scotland, their only statutory role is to communicate local opinion to larger bodies of local and central government. Members are chosen every three or four years. They are elected to represent the entire community council area “Community Councils 158. Any discussion of this subject has to pay special attention to the institution of community councils, whose purpose specifically is to represent local communities. Community councils are unique. They are statutory, but they are not another tier of local government; they are not creatures of the council, as area forums or citizens' panels are; nor are they purely voluntary bodies, as residents' associations and tenants' associations are. A community can choose not to have a community council; but if a community council exists the council can neither dissolve it, as it could dissolve or reorganise its own forums and panels, nor may it choose to ignore it, as it might ignore a voluntary association. Community Councils in England In England there are parish councils not community councils. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Softwarehttp://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
Frederic Crozat wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. And maybe stop spamming for that strange google group ... Cheers, Ralph pgpx4z0BPqWVh.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
my dear friend, how about configuring your mailer ? You have no title to tell me how should I configure my mailer as I read corporate mails with images and some html code inlined. All you can do is to ask me but never tell me anything I should or have to do, as you are not my boss. Upgrade your mailer to read mail correctly. No more problems ? And stop cutting off the body of my mail to kill the thread. Bad boy. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 4:33 PM On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. -- Frederic Crozat Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
Hi Darius, I notice in previous emails you have been unhappy with moderated groups and enforced limitations yet you continue to use HTML mail and fill peoples inboxes with useless data. The 20k limit does not hit people very often, but infact saves them from having to download huge files when catching up on threads. Text based email is clearly superior and has worked well for years. Speaking of limitation, why do you continue to use google groups who have a fixed policy regarding group creation. did you get very far regarding your problem regarding group creation limits? Surely in an open discussion forum from a giant such as Google should not be limited to the number of groups you can create? One day 200 group limit is in operation. Tommorrow 100 groups, next week 1 group is allowed. Or better. No-group-discussions. For anyone not up to speed, Darius is upset that google groups has a limit on the number he can create, just like the limitations on email size in this mailing list http://groups.google.com/group/Is-Something-Broken/browse_thread/thread/70d34da205dfb97c/4a41eea1fcbb9d7e?hl=enlnk=stq=face+to+face#4a41eea1fcbb9d7e Darius, there are a great number of people working hard to build the maemo platform and whilst it may not fit exactly with your way of thinking (I am sure you have many original inventive ideas) it may be beneficial for all if you would let us walk the path we are on and see where we end up. We welcome your input on topics which are relevant and informative and most here are more than willing to help if you have a problem, but please stop blocking the tubes with drivel. Gary (lcuk on #maemo) On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, managers, project managers, Think-Tanks, best developers stay for community leadership. At Google Groups, the most experienced developers, answering questions and providing valuable feedback are called Gurus, being nominated by Google Project Managers. Please have a look at Wikiedia entry for Community Council http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_council Community council From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_council#column-one, search http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_council#searchInput *Community councils* (CCs) are the most local statutoryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statuterepresentative bodies in Great Britain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain. Community councils in Scotland and Wales are somewhat similar to parish councils http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_parish in Englandhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England(which can also have the style Community council). In Scotland, their only statutory role is to communicate local opinion to larger bodies of local and central government. Members are chosen every three or four years. They are elected to represent the entire community council area *Community Councils* 158. Any discussion of this subject has to pay special attention to the institution of community councils, whose purpose specifically is to represent local communities. Community councils are unique. They are statutory, but they are not another tier of local government; they are not creatures of the council, as area forums or citizens' panels are; nor are they purely voluntary bodies, as residents' associations and tenants' associations are. A community can choose not to have a community council; but if a community council exists the council can neither dissolve it, as it could dissolve or reorganise its own forums and panels, nor may it choose to ignore it, as it might ignore a voluntary association. Community Councils in England In England there are parish councilshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_parishnot community councils. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Softwarehttp://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
He is more than right in asking you to write in simple text HERE on this mailing list. Because this is also what 'I' ask you (and JUST because I am a regular USER of this mailing list). Pleasing other users is what makes you part of the community too. If you don't want to be part of it, just leave it. If you want to be part of it ( as I understand it ), then play by the rule. You self said that the community should moderate itself. That's what happened right now, and you did not cooperate. Please, do. Otherwise no one will listen to you. At least, not me. -- Aniello Del Sorbo On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my dear friend, how about configuring your mailer ? You have no title to tell me how should I configure my mailer as I read corporate mails with images and some html code inlined. All you can do is to ask me but never tell me anything I should or have to do, as you are not my boss. Upgrade your mailer to read mail correctly. No more problems ? And stop cutting off the body of my mail to kill the thread. Bad boy. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 4:33 PM On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. -- Frederic Crozat Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
There is nothing strange about Global Alliance on Open Source Software. Interest is great. GAoOSS is exactly about a democracy and community of developers. So it's you spamming the thread, cutting off e-mail body to kill the thread. Off-topic problems are bad solutions. Look at my mail and look at subject line and stop spamming. Ok. You don't the idea of the Global Alliance (as I see), you don't like that democratic form of agreement between developers, corporations, Free Software Foundation and others. But your problem is your problem and you can't stop free developers, free corporations to do what they wish to do. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Ralph Angenendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ralph Angenendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 5:08 PM Frederic Crozat wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. And maybe stop spamming for that strange google group ... Cheers, Ralph___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
Folks, there are two solutions to this problem. 1. Ignore him. He will get bored and go away if he stops getting responses. An easy way to do this is to create a rule in your mailer which shunts every message from dariusjack directly into the trash without being read. 2. Or... remove him from the mailing list. More rude. But more effective in the short term, since it doesn't require cooperation from everybody on the list. What clearly won't work is to try to reason with him. That's like trying to reason with a scorpion. -- Allen Brown http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown He is more than right in asking you to write in simple text HERE on this mailing list. Because this is also what 'I' ask you (and JUST because I am a regular USER of this mailing list). Pleasing other users is what makes you part of the community too. If you don't want to be part of it, just leave it. If you want to be part of it ( as I understand it ), then play by the rule. You self said that the community should moderate itself. That's what happened right now, and you did not cooperate. Please, do. Otherwise no one will listen to you. At least, not me. -- Aniello Del Sorbo On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my dear friend, how about configuring your mailer ? You have no title to tell me how should I configure my mailer as I read corporate mails with images and some html code inlined. All you can do is to ask me but never tell me anything I should or have to do, as you are not my boss. Upgrade your mailer to read mail correctly. No more problems ? And stop cutting off the body of my mail to kill the thread. Bad boy. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 4:33 PM On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. -- Frederic Crozat Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
Exactly my friend. Keep you mouth wide shut and vote YES for Community council. Otherwise we moderate you, cut off your input, your threads. We are your friends. Good friends, as long as you vote YES for our Community council and vote YES for us. Exactly trash is the best place for those voting NO. We are the Winners. Long live Democracy as long you vote YES for us. Exactly the reason, so many smart guys, developers, are looking for some king of legal protection of the IPs under Global Alliance on Open Source Software. You see my friend. Maemo.org is not giving its helpful hand to free developers as you don't like democracy. You like moderation, total control and your Trash. You don't need any open discussion, any free and open voting, as you have been already nominated and elected to your Community council at your Community. You have already set your own rules to please your needs. You don't care for the business of the Community, of the Nokia, other corportions involved in building Linux embedded devies. What you care for is your private business interest. Not a nice idea to build democratic community. But still have a chance to stay open-minded, nice, kind and fully democratic. Forget your trash, for moderation, forget your discrimination principles. As long as one euro, one dollar moves from Nokia or other corporations to Maemo.org in donations, financing, support to staff, website, any activity you have to follow non-discrimination rules set by the European Union, business place for your donator. Please don't be devil, don't hurt excellent democratic status of the Nokia Corporation in your comments. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Allen Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Allen Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 9:11 PM Folks, there are two solutions to this problem. 1. Ignore him. He will get bored and go away if he stops getting responses. An easy way to do this is to create a rule in your mailer which shunts every message from dariusjack directly into the trash without being read. 2. Or... remove him from the mailing list. More rude. But more effective in the short term, since it doesn't require cooperation from everybody on the list. What clearly won't work is to try to reason with him. That's like trying to reason with a scorpion. -- Allen Brown http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown He is more than right in asking you to write in simple text HERE on this mailing list. Because this is also what 'I' ask you (and JUST because I am a regular USER of this mailing list). Pleasing other users is what makes you part of the community too. If you don't want to be part of it, just leave it. If you want to be part of it ( as I understand it ), then play by the rule. You self said that the community should moderate itself. That's what happened right now, and you did not cooperate. Please, do. Otherwise no one will listen to you. At least, not me. -- Aniello Del Sorbo On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my dear friend, how about configuring your mailer ? You have no title to tell me how should I configure my mailer as I read corporate mails with images and some html code inlined. All you can do is to ask me but never tell me anything I should or have to do, as you are not my boss. Upgrade your mailer to read mail correctly. No more problems ? And stop cutting off the body of my mail to kill the thread. Bad boy. Darius Global Alliance on Open Source Software http://groups.google.com/group/globalalliance4u?hl=en --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 4:33 PM On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How about configuring your yahoo webmail to stop posting in HTML, as you have been told several times. -- Frederic Crozat Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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2008/6/16 Allen Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What clearly won't work is to try to reason with him. That's like trying to reason with a scorpion. The odd thing, IMO, is that usually when someone like this crops up on a forum or mailing list, it's pretty clear what their agenda is, or where they're coming from. With Mr. Jack, I must confess that I have no idea whatsoever what his point or angle is, despite having (at least half-) read several of his posts. Regards, Neil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
Hi Igor, speaking in the name of the Nokia Corporation, be so kind to set the sdame rules for your kind ffriends, financed by Nokia to avopid any discrimination policy at the website, financed, donated by Nokia. Just read the European Union standards and rules on non-discrimination policy. And please stop speaking about html code as I use the same mailer for years and in your previous e-mails you have seen no problems. So what's the problem with you today. Does it mean you and Nokia speak for Community Council and you don't like my No for Community Council showing not good cause to discuss the issue and showing no-problems to kill the thread spamming it with non-existing problems. Global Alliance on Open Free Software is really a good step in the right direction. In the meantime I was approached by developers, contacted some small and bigger corporations. Global Alliance is in vital interest of Nokia, Apple, Microsoft, TomTom and others is in vital interest of developers moving back and forth between hundreds of communities of developers world-wide. They really deserve some form of legal protection for their work and job done for the community. greetings, Darius --- On Mon, 16/6/08, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, 16 June, 2008, 9:52 PM Hi, please note that i'm writing to you only, since this is really meant to be a friendly advice. No flames. No public debates, just my advice. You seem to be full of energy and that's good. You also want to interact, that's good too. But in order for you to be able to make your point, you have to learn the basics of how to interact with a community. I recommend you this excellent reading: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html and this one: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They are not very long and will help you understanding why your efforts are taking you nowhere at the moment. I sincerely hope you can learn from these readings and come back with a new way of presenting your arguments. P.S.: If you are not able to turn off html in your mail client, just state it out clearly, nobody will blame you for this, but actually it's likely that you will receive help. But it _really_ is annoying to get html stuff, so unless you are unable to cope, please switch it off. You will understand why by reading the links above. -- Cheers, Igor --- Igor Stoppa Nokia Devices RD - Helsinki Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Community council is a representative body - not community leadership
On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 20:04 +, ext Darius Jack wrote: speaking in the name of the Nokia Corporation, be so kind to set the sdame rules for your kind ffriends, financed by Nokia to avopid any discrimination policy at the website, financed, donated by Nokia. Just read the European Union standards and rules on non-discrimination policy. *plonk* -- Cheers, Igor --- Igor Stoppa Nokia Devices RD - Helsinki ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
