Re: Is there a roadmap for opening of binary blobs of N8x0 hardware ?
Hi Kevin, Kevin Verma wrote: I read the recent announcement of stlc45xx which still requires a binary tool for its calibration data. But there are other components like battery, 3D etc. Can someone please guide me where are more 'official' details for opening of binary blobs or N8x0 hardware viz Maemo ? at-least a roodmap to look forward to. Could you be a bit more specific? What binary blobs are you referring to? We have a wiki page, designed to help prioritise and justify requests like this, which Nokia personnel work on answering, or at the very least explaining their decision. http://wiki.maemo.org/Questions_for_Nokia If you have any specific modules you'd like to see opened, that's the right place to ask (and ideally explain why). Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Is there a roadmap for opening of binary blobs of N8x0 hardware ?
On tor, 2008-09-25 at 10:28 +0530, ext Kevin Verma wrote: Dear Nokia Maemo Community, I read the recent announcement of stlc45xx which still requires a binary tool for its calibration data. But there are other components like battery, 3D etc. I cannot make predictions about other components, but for the battery software a well-educated guess is Never, and the reasons are manifold: possible liability issues, patents, and the fact that it's software developed by another branch of Nokia rather than internally within Maemo. Regards: David Weinehall ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Is there a roadmap for opening of binary blobs of N8x0 hardware ?
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 13:56 +0300, ext David Weinehall wrote: On tor, 2008-09-25 at 10:28 +0530, ext Kevin Verma wrote: I cannot make predictions about other components, but for the battery software a well-educated guess is Never, and the reasons are manifold: possible liability issues, patents, and the fact that it's software developed by another branch of Nokia rather than internally within Maemo. In that sense it would be probably simpler to get rid entirely of it than to open it. But still no predictions, sorry. -- Cheers, Igor --- Igor Stoppa Maemo Software - Nokia Devices RD - Helsinki ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Is there a roadmap for opening of binary blobs of N8x0 hardware ?
Hello Dave, Could you be a bit more specific? What binary blobs are you referring to? We have a wiki page, designed to help prioritise and justify requests like this, which Nokia personnel work on answering, or at the very least explaining their decision. http://wiki.maemo.org/Questions_for_Nokia This is a good set of questions from curious maemo community though not much official answers I guess. I feel a roadmap rather than bold statement and talks in this context would assure community more to stick to Nokia hardware than to stick it out of Window. If you have any specific modules you'd like to see opened, that's the right place to ask (and ideally explain why). Battery driver for now is what I'd like to see opened, if I have to really explain to Nokia like I have to plead I'd say maybe I'll like to bump up kernel version or perhaps like to try something else than ITOS all-togather , maybe a community spin of Maemo (unsupported by Nokia) That sounds good ? ~kevin ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Is there a roadmap for opening of binary blobs of N8x0 hardware ?
In that sense it would be probably simpler to get rid entirely of it than to open it. But still no predictions, sorry. Getting rid of it is maybe a choice but what would be efforts from Nokia to bring in an alternative driver then ? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Is there a roadmap for opening of binary blobs of N8x0 hardware ?
I cannot make predictions about other components, but for the battery software a well-educated guess is Never, and the reasons are manifold: possible liability issues, patents, and the fact that it's software developed by another branch of Nokia rather than internally within Maemo. That gets more questions; What is Nokia strategy to avoid getting in IP which is based on restrictive patents ? Does Nokia have plans to provide any cover to its community for collaboration of its patented technology ? Is Nokia shipping hardware that needs binary bits for some kind of lock-in to it users ? ~kevin ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Is there a roadmap for opening of binary blobs of N8x0 hardware ?
Hi Kevin, You are touching topics related with ongoing tasks at http://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint5 . Thanks for your input and please keep it going, here or in the related wiki pages I'm linking below. ext Kevin Verma wrote: I feel a roadmap rather than bold statement and talks in this context would assure community more to stick to Nokia hardware than to stick it out of Window. Sure: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_public_roadmapping_process - don't miss the discussion page. Now it's an interesting time because last week most of the Fremantle release roadmap was disclosed through several announcements. However, we still need to put this in a single page and call it Roadmap. Also we need an agreed process to keep the roadmap up to date. The principle of sharing the vision and disclosing release content with a special emphasis on the open source components is clear - see the slide 5 at http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/how-maemo-approaches-open-source/ If you have any specific modules you'd like to see opened, that's the right place to ask (and ideally explain why). In fact Process to request a closed source package to be open - GeneralAntilles is still a task in the backlog. I'd be happy to see it being pushed for the next sprint and nobody is stopping you to start helping out now. Until now the requests have been submitted mostly via feature requests at http://bugs.maemo.org Battery driver for now is what I'd like to see opened, if I have to really explain to Nokia like I have to plead I'd say maybe I'll like to bump up kernel version or perhaps like to try something else than ITOS all-togather , maybe a community spin of Maemo (unsupported by Nokia) That sounds good ? Last week it was announced that DSME will go open source, and one of these days the code should hit http://garage.maemo.org . Have a look to that project, hopefully you will get what you need. If not, let's talk in more detail. I'm currently working on a related task, Explanation of the reasons why the closed source packages are closed. Currently I'm drafting the general reasons why (I hope to have the draft in the wiki at the end of today). Then we will go case by case and explain which of the generic reasons apply to a specific package. This way all requests for opening components with a rationale behind will get either a YES or a NO BECAUSE. What is Nokia strategy to avoid getting in IP which is based on restrictive patents ? Having a full IPR team checking all the features and code supported officially in any Nokia product and evaluating risks. Does Nokia have plans to provide any cover to its community for collaboration of its patented technology ? I'm not sure I understand your question. Is Nokia shipping hardware that needs binary bits for some kind of lock-in to it users ? Maemo and the Nokia Internet Tablets have no lock-in feature. -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
