Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
If you're going to use an external CPU module running Linux, you might as well use an N8x0. After all, A CPU module is a pretty big gun to be pointing at that mosquito. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Kees Jongenburger kees.jongenbur...@gmail.com wrote: I guess the Hammer CPU module is very well suited for this as you can run a full linux stack on this http://www.tincanthttp://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16133cat=0page=1featured ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Qole qole.tab...@gmail.com wrote: If you're going to use an external CPU module running Linux, you might as well use an N8x0. That will not fit for my project, how would I connect something to the n800 after that: repeat the n800 serial hack[1]? Implementing usb-host on a microcontroller is possible but will be quite hard (what protocol to talk etc) I think the most reasonable solutions I heard so far are to use the IR transceiver this should be relatively cheap or use a Wiimote(easy). Of course there is the BT serial possibility but I would like to avoid doing that if possible I am now experimenting with the hammer to get usb-net + synergy going I can test this on the N800 but agree it's quite something but who else can ssh to their gaming controller device, tweak latency and change the key repeat from the cmd line :p [1] file:///home/keesj/realcam/hackings/n800_serial/index3.html (n800 serial cable hack) After all, A CPU module is a pretty big gun to be pointing at that mosquito. Yep true, Greetings ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
Hi On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Kees Jongenburger kees.jongenbur...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Qole qole.tab...@gmail.com wrote: If you're going to use an external CPU module running Linux, you might as well use an N8x0. [1] file:///home/keesj/realcam/hackings/n800_serial/index3.html (n800 serial cable hack) This is the right url sorry about that http://mamona.mmapps.net/n800_serial/index3.html ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
Hi On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: On Sunday 20 September 2009 23:11:07 Kees Jongenburger wrote: I indeed planed to use usb-host in my project. perhaps we can use the connectors behind the battery, previous models used to have serial there. If anybody has a bright ideas on how to connect something to the n900 that would be great. Well if you need just serial and don't mind the expense, probably the easiest way is a bluetooth modem, a la http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=582 That certainly works (as proven) but it's not what I would like to do. For my project this is probably already taking to much space. For your info the project proposal I am working on involves adding more buttons to the device. The best for me would be to simply implement a usb-hid device. This is still in beta as I am doing some more research but input/contribution/joining the project is more then welcome http://wiki.github.com/keesj/push_nbutton A bit more out-of-the-box thinking is to do things backwards, i.e. get a beefy microcontroller that does USB host mode or USB OTG, and have the N900 connect to that. This will also require some software wizardry as the N900 will want to present itself as mass storage, but maybe that can be hacked/tweaked. Yea also you will need to create a gadget driver unless you use g_ehter or some other standard. I guess the Hammer CPU module is very well suited for this as you can run a full linux stack on this http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16133cat=0page=1featured Greetings ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
That certainly works (as proven) but it's not what I would like to do. For my project this is probably already taking to much space. For your info the project proposal I am working on involves adding more buttons to the device. The best for me would be to simply implement a usb-hid device. Why don't you implement a bluetooth HID ? You could even use a N800/N8100 with BlueMaemo to emaulate the client part :) Fred ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
Hi, http://wiki.github.com/keesj/push_nbutton Nice idea using lego. Maybe you can hide a wiimote in it. Bluetooth, buttons, tilt sensor. See http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/05/wiicontrol-for-nokia-n810-n800.html for a start. regards, -- Willem-Jan de Hoog ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Fred Lefévère-Laoide f...@lefevere-laoide.net wrote: That certainly works (as proven) but it's not what I would like to do. For my project this is probably already taking to much space. For your info the project proposal I am working on involves adding more buttons to the device. The best for me would be to simply implement a usb-hid device. Why don't you implement a bluetooth HID ? I Would like to keep the cost down if possible. An other reason is that this setup will work for different purposes(I have a few servo's that might be used) . For those who might want to go that way I think the easy way of doing this might be to still use a serial BT and use Fanoush'f port of kbdd[1] as it allows serial BT keyboards. By using this you don't need to much programming on the maemo side to generate key events. http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ You could even use a N800/N8100 with BlueMaemo to emaulate the client part :) Using a N800 for doing is is perhaps somewhat over the top. I dutch we call this Schieten met een kanon op een mug or translated Shooting with a gun on a mosquito :p Thanks for the feedback Greeting Kees Jongenburger ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
Hi, On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:28 AM, W. de Hoog wdeh...@exalondelft.nl wrote: Hi, http://wiki.github.com/keesj/push_nbutton Nice idea using lego. Maybe you can hide a wiimote in it. Bluetooth, buttons, tilt sensor. See http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/05/wiicontrol-for-nokia-n810-n800.html for a start. Thanks a lot Willem-Jan this is a great and simple idea. I even packaged cwiid[1] in the past using mud[2] but completely forgot about it. Greetings [1] https://garage.maemo.org/viewvc/trunk/packages/cwiid.xml?revision=187root=mud-builder [2] http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:28 AM, W. de Hoog wdeh...@exalondelft.nl wrote: Hi, http://wiki.github.com/keesj/push_nbutton Nice idea using lego. This lego was just for prototyping the real thing needs to be different and have real button and room to store the hardware. Greetings ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
On Monday 21 September 2009 08:27:43 Kees Jongenburger wrote: Well if you need just serial and don't mind the expense, probably the easiest way is a bluetooth modem, a la http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=582 That certainly works (as proven) but it's not what I would like to do. For my project this is probably already taking to much space. For your info the project proposal I am working on involves adding more buttons to the device. The best for me would be to simply implement a usb-hid device. In that case, you might as well use the infrared port - definitely cheaper, can do serial, and probably takes up less space than those BT modems. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: On Monday 21 September 2009 08:27:43 Kees Jongenburger wrote: Well if you need just serial and don't mind the expense, probably the easiest way is a bluetooth modem, a la http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=582 That certainly works (as proven) but it's not what I would like to do. For my project this is probably already taking to much space. For your info the project proposal I am working on involves adding more buttons to the device. The best for me would be to simply implement a usb-hid device. In that case, you might as well use the infrared port - definitely cheaper, can do serial, and probably takes up less space than those BT modems. http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ Doesn't talk about IR, is it a IR sender or transceiver ? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
On Monday 21 September 2009 13:42:25 Kees Jongenburger wrote: In that case, you might as well use the infrared port - definitely cheaper, can do serial, and probably takes up less space than those BT modems. http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ Doesn't talk about IR, is it a IR sender or transceiver ? It seems to be an easter egg, so no official specs, only irreco is confirmed to use it so far ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31399 ). The irreco backends in fremantle are noted to include telnet and commandline, this seems to suggest a transceiver, but a Nokia confirmation would sure come handy. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Kees Jongenburger kees.jongenbur...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: On Sunday 20 September 2009 23:11:07 Kees Jongenburger wrote: Well if you need just serial and don't mind the expense, probably the easiest way is a bluetooth modem, a la http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=582 That certainly works (as proven) but it's not what I would like to do. For my project this is probably already taking to much space. For your info the project proposal I am working on involves adding more buttons to the device. The best for me would be to simply implement a usb-hid device. The parani modules are very small, adding them to an arduino can give you a keyboard scanner. http://www.sena.com/products/industrial_bluetooth/esd.php Then there's this the whole PC-104 keyboard is implemented (I have one): http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16685 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
Kees Jongenburger wrote: I indeed planed to use usb-host in my project. perhaps we can use the connectors behind the battery, previous models used to have serial there. If anybody has a bright ideas on how to connect something to the n900 that would be great. I have used bluetooth to serial connectors with the n800 successfully. There should be no reason that can't work with the n900. Unfortunately I can't find the part or I would give you the part number. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
On Sunday 20 September 2009 23:11:07 Kees Jongenburger wrote: I indeed planed to use usb-host in my project. perhaps we can use the connectors behind the battery, previous models used to have serial there. If anybody has a bright ideas on how to connect something to the n900 that would be great. Well if you need just serial and don't mind the expense, probably the easiest way is a bluetooth modem, a la http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=582 A bit more out-of-the-box thinking is to do things backwards, i.e. get a beefy microcontroller that does USB host mode or USB OTG, and have the N900 connect to that. This will also require some software wizardry as the N900 will want to present itself as mass storage, but maybe that can be hacked/tweaked. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
Sarah Newman wrote: Kees Jongenburger wrote: I indeed planed to use usb-host in my project. perhaps we can use the connectors behind the battery, previous models used to have serial there. If anybody has a bright ideas on how to connect something to the n900 that would be great. I have used bluetooth to serial connectors with the n800 successfully. There should be no reason that can't work with the n900. Unfortunately I can't find the part or I would give you the part number. Actually I used this: http://www.iogear.com/product/GBS301/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: PUSH N900 (Was Re: N900 usb host + power charge)
Maybe serial control a USB host? http://www.compsys1.com/html/usb_host_kit.html On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: On Sunday 20 September 2009 23:11:07 Kees Jongenburger wrote: I indeed planed to use usb-host in my project. perhaps we can use the connectors behind the battery, previous models used to have serial there. If anybody has a bright ideas on how to connect something to the n900 that would be great. Well if you need just serial and don't mind the expense, probably the easiest way is a bluetooth modem, a la http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=582 A bit more out-of-the-box thinking is to do things backwards, i.e. get a beefy microcontroller that does USB host mode or USB OTG, and have the N900 connect to that. This will also require some software wizardry as the N900 will want to present itself as mass storage, but maybe that can be hacked/tweaked. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
