Re: SDK, sources Re: On the problem of Nokia bugs substituting changelogs
Frantisek Dufka wrote: So will we get updated SDK release with sources for latest Diablo update (and any further one too)? No answer, looks like people responsible are busy with more important stuff. Just an additional info - old SDK also hurts people when doing development directly on tablet, see this one http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=220639#post220639 The 4.2008.30-2 update was released 08-11-2008 so it is more than 3 weeks now. Also can this whole firmware and SDK release procedure be changed so building and releasing sources is integral part of building and releasing any binary (firmware or SSU) as it is 'suggested' by GPL licence? Does it make sense to report this as separate bug in bugzilla? Or is it in wiki 2010/100days agenda somewhere? Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: SDK, sources Re: On the problem of Nokia bugs substituting changelogs
Hi. I opened the last week the bug 3648 about this problem. There is a comment explaining why the sources aren't in the repository yet. Sorry for the top posting, I am writing this in a small mobile client. 2008/9/4, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Frantisek Dufka wrote: So will we get updated SDK release with sources for latest Diablo update (and any further one too)? No answer, looks like people responsible are busy with more important stuff. Just an additional info - old SDK also hurts people when doing development directly on tablet, see this one http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=220639#post220639 The 4.2008.30-2 update was released 08-11-2008 so it is more than 3 weeks now. Also can this whole firmware and SDK release procedure be changed so building and releasing sources is integral part of building and releasing any binary (firmware or SSU) as it is 'suggested' by GPL licence? Does it make sense to report this as separate bug in bugzilla? Or is it in wiki 2010/100days agenda somewhere? Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Daniel Martín Yerga http://yerga.net ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: SDK, sources Re: On the problem of Nokia bugs substituting changelogs
Hi there, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Frantisek Dufka wrote: So will we get updated SDK release with sources for latest Diablo update (and any further one too)? No answer, looks like people responsible are busy with more important stuff. http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/k/kernel-source-diablo/ Sorry for the delay. People responsible were waiting for some events needed to publish the sources. Now they are available. The _only_ difference is the WiMAX related code that is not used by the devices all you have. Just an additional info - old SDK also hurts people when doing development directly on tablet, see this one http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=220639#post220639 (It is discouraged to install SDK packages in the devices. If someone wants to do this fine but as the own post you link says it might be *hazardous*. The 4.2008.30-2 update was released 08-11-2008 so it is more than 3 weeks now. Also can this whole firmware and SDK release procedure be changed so building and releasing sources is integral part of building and releasing any binary (firmware or SSU) as it is 'suggested' by GPL licence? This is how the process works. This time there was one exception because the mentioned events related to this WiMAX code - see also https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3648#c3 Our apologies and hopefully this won't happen again. -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: SDK, sources Re: On the problem of Nokia bugs substituting changelogs
Quim Gil wrote: (It is discouraged to install SDK packages in the devices. If someone wants to do this fine but as the own post you link says it might be *hazardous*. OK. We are also discouraged from having root access on the device ;-) The hazardous part here was mainly installing old packages to new system because of old -dev packages in current SDK. Otherwise having SDK repository configured on device is pretty sensible thing to do for any competent developer just like root access (discouraged or not). This is how the process works. This time there was one exception because the mentioned events related to this WiMAX code - see also https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3648#c3 Our apologies and hopefully this won't happen again. Thank you and apology for missing bug 3648. I should better check bugzilla next time. Sorry for creating too much noise too late. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
SDK, sources Re: On the problem of Nokia bugs substituting changelogs
Hi Quim, nice to see you back :-) Quim Gil wrote: but there are others that are about as bad as they could get. Let's list them too, and we will show them the previous list for reference on how a Nokia team can do things right. Another bad example here is the kernel, search the http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm/changelog.html file for 'kernel-diablo'. We can see only '* Updated kernel version XXX' instead of real info. So basically we are completely in the dark if new kernel actually fixes something or not. This is yet another annoyance to the fact that we still don't have updated sources in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free for GPLed stuff updated in latest 4.2008.30-2 Diablo update. This is of course bad for any GPLed package but it causes practical problems especially for linux kernel source. There are a lot of kernel hacks in the wild and after each firmware people must choose between older customized kernel and new (possibly fixed? how can we know?) one. So will we get updated SDK release with sources for latest Diablo update (and any further one too)? Also can this whole firmware and SDK release procedure be changed so building and releasing sources is integral part of building and releasing any binary (firmware or SSU) as it is 'suggested' by GPL licence? We discussed this topic many times here with no visible change so far. Random pointers to previous discussion: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-January/031424.html http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-January/031426.html Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
