Re: An end user experience
On 17 September 2012 08:44, ri...@happyleptic.org wrote: Some might be interrested in this blog entry I came across some time ago: http://rachelbythebay.com/w/2012/07/27/770/ I'm not sure a review highlighting the shortcomings of the 770 is particularly relevant six years later; especially when no-one is making Maemo devices any more. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 consumes too much power
On 5 August 2012 19:07, Pavel Řezníček cig...@gmail.com wrote: After the suggestions of others, I think one problem is that I'm connected all the time to my WiFi at home. But it isn't everything. Even when not connected (while I'm outdoors), the battery lives for hours, never days. I'll try to investigate the battery killer ;-) Maintaining a TCP/IP connection drains the battery; so things like IM accounts are the antithesis of long battery life. Some protocols are also thirstier than others. It's a shame, because one of the advantages of Maemo 5 is its design to be always connected. Unfortunately, that isn't conducive to multi-day battery life. Some of the other power (limited QA, mainstream Linux userland, full multitasking) also makes it very easy for software (including Nokia's) to accidentally drain the battery by not being well written, not using the heartbeat functionality and not stopping doing things when not in the foreground. HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Request: Please update vim for maemo
On 28 May 2012 08:44, Pali Rohár pali.ro...@gmail.com wrote: write request directly to vim package maintainers: http://maemo.org/packages/view/vim/ The package maintainers have seen. It's fairly low down on my todo list, but patches welcome: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/vim.pkg/?root=mud-builder All it should need is updating mud.xml to point at a newer release. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: e-reader (kindle) as monitor for n900
On Friday, August 26, 2011, Dirk schoapp...@gmail.com wrote: Just an idea... Should it be possible to use a Kindle (Swindle) 3 as second monitor for an n900? It has usb and wifi support afaik... Possible? Yes.[1] Feasible? Not really.[2] Useful? No.[3] Cheers, Andrew [1] It's Linux, it's been hacked, it runs Java code and OS2008 toolchains are apparently appropriate. [2] There's no concept of a second monitor in Maemo, so it'd require specific app support; be quite a lot of work and be fairly fiddly. IOW, if you've asked possible, you won't be able to do it yourself. [3] The e-ink display, at 800x480 is great, but still only has a refresh rate around 1-2fps. And, of course, it's limited greyscale. -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Latest CSSU needs PC Suite (WTF?)
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 15:48, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail francisco.diaztre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys what the hell is this about needing PC Suite for CSSU? Remember, you are using the CSSU testing release. What kind of Seamless is that? All this nagging is because I am on an Ubuntu machine. I have no PC-Suite. :-( http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ In particular, the Problems tab. It's likely you've got Khweeteur installed which results in a specific version dependency on libqt4-test. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Community SSU - lost desktop keyboard usage
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 16:09, Xavier Bestel xavier.bes...@free.fr wrote: I updated my N900 using Community SSU. So far so good, I appreciate the few bugfixes, but I've lost something important: when typing a contact name directly on the desktop, the addressbook used to launch but now it doesn't anymore. Same thing with a phone number: the phone app doesn't launch. Does anyone know why, and if there's a quick fix or if I should open a bug ? Bug has been reported (and fixed in gitorious), and a workaround is present, on: https://bugs.maemo.org/11813 With the Community SSU, please don't forget to check the bug list and FAQ before raising issues: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ Issues which are FIXED have been fixed in the source code. They will be VERIFIED when they are pushed to the CSSU -testing repository. Hope that helps, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Needed guide to install Media Bar
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 06:03, khalid.re...@gmail.com khalid.re...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone please help me to install Nokia Xpressmusic 5800 Mediabar ported to N900 as i am not into software field but if i can get step by step guide installation would be easier as i didn't find the package in Downloads tab or http://gitorious.org/mediabar/mediabar. The application has only just been released. Therefore it is not yet available in the end-user targetted Downloads (which maps to the Extras repository, available in Application Manager). The source is in gitorious, not the package itself. Some appropriate links: * http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68249 * http://maemo.org/packages/view/mediabar/ The latter shows that is currently only available in Extras-devel. Software in Extras-devel should only be used if you are willing to risk a reflash. General updates of packages should not be accepted from Extras-devel if they include updates to software you require to work. Once Mohammad is satisfied with the quality, he will promote it to Extras-testing. Here, less brave users can test the application and ensure it meets the community's QA standards. Once checked, it will then end up in Downloads Extras. HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Automatic website logging to WLAN
2011/1/13 Jakub G jak...@post.pl: To access some WLAN I have to login on a webpage with certain credentials. Until I do that all communication is blocked so e-mail or messaging clients can't connect. Is there a simple way to send such login request from command line / script? It would be ideal if such script was invoked automatically just after connection to this network. Fredrik Wendt's Wifi Assistant may be exactly what you want: http://wiki.maemo.org/WifiAssistant http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59574 http://maemo.org/packages/view/wifi-assistant/ Available in Extras. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Christmass Vim wish (color scheme)
On Fri, 24 Dec 2010, 11:41:34 GMT, Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail francisco.diaztre...@gmail.com wrote: PLEASE can any one help me to have a clear color scheme for my n900? :set background=dark I can't remember: what's the default colour scheme in X Terminal? If it's white-on-black, I can add the above to the default settings for Maemo's vim package. HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council memberAttachment Screenshot-20101224-083508.png ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: anyone trying Go language?
2010/6/21 Kimmo Hämäläinen kimmo.hamalai...@nokia.com: On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 08:30 +0200, ext Francisco Diaz Trepat - gmail wrote: I couldn't execute the simple hello world program. Workspace/Go/hello $ ls 5.out hello.5 hello.go ~/MyDocs/Workspace/Go/hello $ 5.out -sh: 5.out: not found 5.out wasn't found from the PATH. Try ./5.out And, since MyDocs by default is on VFAT, it's mounted noexec. HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Quality assurance of stable software: my battery drained in few hours
Sivan, If you have suggestions for the QA that we can control (i.e. that of maemo.org Extras) please share them. Also, examples of problems with Ovi's QA (such as obvious battery drainers) will help Nokia see that crowdsourced QA can be better than their in-house stuff (though our 10 day process is apparently a bit longer than theirs). Cheers, Andrew On 29/05/2010, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.com wrote: I also experienced that with the Facebook widget alone, but the battery performance is also very poor without any active widgets or connections (6 hours max!). I am also curious what sort of QA procedures the OVI store publishing process carries, but this is what I think only one sign of a greater problem with quality assurance that I think is lacking across projects. I hope we can change this in MeeGo, and ASAP. Sivan On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Daniil Ivanov daniil.iva...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Andrea! On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 29 May 2010 12:11, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: I went to sleep at 3:00, I wake up few minutes ago with the N900 powered off. There was not any active connection when I went to sleep, so could anyone please explain me WHO drained my whole battery?! Can you ensure that your phone doesn't create connections automatically? yes I'm sure. I never let it connect automatically. And just for you to notice: once I really forgot to disconnect before going to sleep: when I wake up I still had more than half of the battery, but this is of course not the case. So my suspects are: - the Twitter widget available in OVI (if it's this, congratulation to people who publish software in OVI store without let testers to test it in extras-devel / extras-testing) The key word in phrase Ovi Store is a Store. Nobody will upload commercial applications to extras-devel or extras-testing. This is the way Ovi Store works. You can save battery info log with the commands: lshal | grep battery.reporting.current battery.log date battery.log try to use facebook widget separately, twitter widget separately and maybe both of widgets disabled and see how battery life is affected. Thanks, Daniil - the facebook widget (very strange since it's available from the beginning, someone should have noticed this bug) - something really weird introduced with PR 1.2 (no comment). Regards, -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-develop...@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-develop...@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-develop...@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Loading Ovi maps onto device memory-yes or no?
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 01:08, Bernard Tyers b...@runningwithbulls.com wrote: I havem read in different places that it's possible to load the Ovi Map files onto your N900, like you can on any Symbian device. You can do it without any extra software by downloading the appropriate zips and copying them onto your N900 when it is attached to your computer in mass storage mode: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c Hope that helps, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: apt vs Application Manager
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 17:30, Edward Johns ejdom...@gmail.com wrote: I see a list of python packages I can install. However, if I search for python in the application manager I get no results. Should the result be the same for both? Why do they differ? The Application Manager only shows packages in sections which start user/. The Python packages should be dependencies of user-facing applications, rather than installable by end-users in their own right. HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Deactivate buggy portrait mode on N900
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 13:53, Stephen Gadsby stephen.gad...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Igor Stoppa igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote: No, it's a real bug: I have witnessed it without using the browser. I have also. I've been attempting to find a way of intentionally reproducing it, but I have not yet had success in that, so I haven't yet opened a bug report. I saw this recently when trying to reproduce bug 8111 in Catorise. STEPS TO REPRODUCE 0) Ensure Phone is set to always portrait 1) As root, edit /etc/xdg/menus/hildon/applications.menu 2) Add an include of Filenamertcom-call-ui.desktop/Filename 3) Launch Phone from the More... menu 4) Close Phone. EXPECTED OUTCOME UI rotates back to landscape. ACTUAL OUTCOME UI stays in portrait mode. OTHER COMMENTS This seems to be a well known exploit for getting portrait mode in 1.2009.x: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=443651 HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool documentation updated
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:20, jarmo.ti...@nokia.com wrote: Just FYI that I just updated Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool documentation to be up-to-date with our final Flasher-3.5 release. http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5 Is there documentation on the various RD flags available? TIA, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool documentation updated
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 17:06, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:20, jarmo.ti...@nokia.com wrote: Just FYI that I just updated Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool documentation to be up-to-date with our final Flasher-3.5 release. Is there documentation on the various RD flags available? I've found http://wiki.maemo.org/RD_mode, which may help. However, I can't get flasher-3.5.exe to do anything apart from Suitable USB device not found, waiting on Windows XP (32-bit, SP3). Thoughts? Thanks in advance, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services - Latitude, mbarcode and Goggles.
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 16:34, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting dependencies problems with Qt. I've also tried to uninstall the old 0.2 googlelatitude and reinstall it, but no success. Maybe it's a problem related to PR 1.1 I'm using? Does it have a libqt4-phonon dependency? Even if not, there may be other issues with Qt apps in 2.2009.51-1: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7742 HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 23:01, Kahlil Johnson jzare...@gmail.com wrote: I love the OSM apps as well as the Flickr integration however I would love to see more services like integrate the ical feed and be able to use my calendar server or google calendar or my own. Even if I can insert an ical i can't stream it so it keeps updates. You can sync your Google Calendars (and possibly other things, but *I*'ve only tried calendar) using NuevaSync's free account (http://www.nuevasync.com/) and Mail for Exchange (under 'Settings') Other Google services which work well: * Mail with the built-in mail client (using IMAP) * Reader using the web browser (apparently) * Latitude with the maemo-geolocation plugin available * Maps Technically speaking I wonder if there is something missing, like a standarize webapp structure, like KDE's Nepomuk or will each app has to build their stack like Gpodder, hermes etc. Neither Gpodder nor Hermes are web-apps; they are, however, both built on top of large, standardised frameworks: amongst others Python, Gtk+ and Hildon. Neither have built their own stack. With regards to writing application/widgets using HTML/CSS/JS, Nokia Web Runtime (WRT) is the strategic answer here and is coming at some point this year for Maemo. Hope that helps, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: can't type numbers in contact phone/cell slots
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 19:12, Jeffrey Mark Siskind q...@purdue.edu wrote: On the N900, if I click Contacts|All Contacts|New contact click on the entry bar for Cell then type blue arrow and a number key nothing happens. I can't figure out how to enter a number into any contact phone/cell slot. Is this a bug or have I just not figured out how this is supposed to be done? The developer can mark a field as being numerical; and this is used for the phone number entry fields through the system. This means you can type + and 0-9 without having to hold down the blue shift arrow (indeed, holding down the blue shift arrow will make it NOT work, as you have found - this makes it go from convenient shortcut into unobvious and obstructive). Hope that helps, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: can't type ~ in browser
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 19:33, Josef Assad j...@donassad.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 07:14:16PM +, Andrew Flegg wrote: Tap the ~, press space and then join the ranks of people upset by the broken, unobvious, unintuitive and just plain crazy behaviour of the character palette. I can see the point when the special character is necessary as a modifier to a regular character for languages that need them. Absolutely. I'm not arguing that there doesn't need to be a way of composing characters... If there's a more straightforward way to accomodate people who need ñ, ô, ü, etc. then I can't think of it. ...what I'm arguing is that it doesn't make sense for it to look and (from a button point-of-view) feel similarly to the other buttons in the palette; it doesn't make sense for it to be the third row (when rows 1, 2 and 4 act the same) and that it's unobvious even for people who are *used* to composing characters. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5314 Ta. -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Still one problem with app manager
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 13:09, Timo Pelkonen pelt...@gmail.com wrote: See attachment for app manager log. First and third failed to install, middle one installed without problems. Seems to be complaining something about opt. Sorry if this has already been covered somewhere else. Is this in the SDK or on the device? If on the device, what version of the OS are you running (Settings About product)? Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 battery duration
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:02, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried running powertop in an xterm and looking at the output? command not found... do I have to install it? No, you have to be root. -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 battery duration
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 19:56, Kai Thomsen thoms...@t-online.de wrote: So far the battery has usually lasted between a full day and one and a half days. What widgets do you have on the desktop? RSS? Facebook? Foreca? Thanks in advance, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Transfering contacts to N900
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 14:09, hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: Just curious: for the N900 have the same (useless) contacts program as the N800 came with? Or can you use GPE contacts and have it interface cleanly to the phone? The Contacts app on Maemo 5 is pretty damned good, IME. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Transfering contacts to N900
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 17:56, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote: Andrew Flegg wrote: The Contacts app on Maemo 5 is pretty damned good, IME. Just wondering if you found any way to filter contacts and create user-defined groups? You can filter to groups, or by typing and it filters. However, user-defined groups are specifically out-of-scope according to the Collabora developers at the Maemo 5 Address Book session on Saturday. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: QA for NokiaWorld 2009 QA
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 16:53, Keywan Najafi Tonekabonili...@prometoys.net wrote: how is the policy to edit the wikipage for NokiaWorld 2009 QA? [1] It's been created by the community out of the thread at tmo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31150 It was created with the prime intention of giving Tim and I a single place to try and answer the community's questions as best we can: http://maemo.org/community/council/nokia_world_2009/ Short version: edit as you see fit. Anything also which improves the formatting to make it easier for Tim and I will be very helpful (since our time at laptops may be limited); please also realise there are questions we might not get a chance to ask - or answers which aren't forthcoming. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 20:11, Dr. Nicholas Shawd...@docharley.com wrote: I'm hoping that they've added the ability to select 12/24-hour time. No need to hope, that's been known for a *long* time (over a year in fact): https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303 And, more specifically: The clock configuration will work in Fremantle in the way Andrew described in the first comment. -- https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303#c27 Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 20:21, Cassio Gomesgome...@gmail.com wrote: I´m worried about the elder versions, like N8x0, that became very popular in Brazil. Will Maemo 5 support 'em and bring us more development teams, doin' basic useful stuff like a text editor and makin' N8x0 better? No, the hardware advances in the past few years mean that supporting the OMAP2-based N8x0s would've constrained the Maemo 5 lead device too much. However, Nokia *are* supporting Mer - a community effort to rebuild Maemo on top of an Ubuntu base: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Nokia's support here has been fantastic, and a testament to how many people there get open source. Now, I see it as a great gadget, but it´s too limited due the lack of softwares made especially for Maemo's. Well, since Mer's based on Ubuntu, thousands of packags are only an apt-get away... HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 21:39, Scottsc...@sw41.com wrote: Is there any chance that the new OS for the N900 would run or be available for the N8x0 crowd? No. You've four choices: 1) Keep Diablo. 2) Use and support Mer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer (which can be considered a backport of parts of Fremantle) 3) Buy an RX-51 or subsequent Maemo device. 4) Buy a different device. just one is missing the phone and other minor features. If, by minor features, you're including the OMAP3430 processor (which is on the order of twice as fast) and 3D acceleration hardware. This is why Nokia didn't attempt at any support of Fremantle on N8x0, instead they're supporting the work the community is doing on Mer. Cheers, Andrew PS. Dropped -community, as this is all off-topic there. -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Maemo summit sponsorship: process
Hi, Firstly, apologies for the cross-posting, but I wanted to reach the highest number of people since this affects everyone thinking of attending the Maemo Summit 2009 in Amsterdam[1]. Discussion is taking place on talk.maemo.org about the process by which sponsorship requests will be decided. If you are thinking of applying for sponsorship to the summit, you may wish to put your thoughts on who and how it is decided gets the cash: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=306984#post306972 Thanks in advance, Andrew [1] http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009 -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Aplication package not present in maemo.org/downloads
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 08:49, Andrew Fleggand...@bleb.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 06:53, babu ashokch_ashok_b...@yahoo.com wrote: I promoted a new application package for diablo chinook but I am unable to see the application deb package in the downloads section in www.maemo.org under fresh category. The Downloads catalogue is not automatically updated from Extras. Niels Breet did do a sync, but I think it was a one-time operation. Promoting it to Extras makes it available through the Application Manager. [...] For the record, Babu's touchmegames is now showing up in chinook diablo: -8--- /home/user # apt-cache policy touchmegames touchmegames: Installed: (none) Candidate: 0.1 Version table: 0.1 0 500 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free Packages 500 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free Packages 0.1 0 500 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages -8- Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: netcat not working
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 08:02, Julius Szelagiewicz jul...@turtle.com wrote: the subject tells it all - netcat is not working. Even if I run it against localhost, the sending process just exits quietly without waiting for input while listening process gets no data. Any fixes, workarounds? What version of netcat are you using? Can you type the following in X-Terminal and paste the output, please: $ apt-cache policy netcat Thanks in advance, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: netcat not working
Julius wrote: Sig_05:~# apt-cache policy netcat netcat: Installed: 0.7.1 Can you give a reproducible test case? For example, if you open two X-Terminal windows and do in the first: $ netcat -l -p 8421 In the other: $ echo hello | netcat localhost 8421 I'd expect hello to appear in the first window. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Keeping up with the rumours...
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 16:58, Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net wrote: http://www.mobile-ent.biz/news/33284/Nokia-developing-ad-funded-phones This short article speculates that Maemo may eventually replace S60 on products beyond the internet tablet line and says that Freemantle includes an ad delivery homepage widget. The original article states that it's a Harmattan design (not Fremantle): http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/18/leaked-nokia-bringing-maemo-to-phones-could-be-ad-supported/ I think the Symbian - mid-range, Linux (Maemo) - high-end plan has been known about for a while. One source: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE4B16IO20081202 Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Where is telnet?
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 16:38, Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org wrote: telnet belongs on an Interner Tablet, and claiming otherwise is akin to claiming that the WWW is the internet. Does it really matter when it's so trivial to port from upstream? Nokia has to make choices on what gets included or not - telnet isn't crucial to the software Nokia delivers, so it isn't included. However, it has taken me an XML file, smaller than the paragraph above, to tell mud[1] to take Debian stable's telnet package and upload it to Extras(-devel for now[2]). Let me know of any problems, or - if none - I'll promote it to Extras. Hope that helps, Andrew [1] http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ [2] Needs an icon, a better section, a Maemo-specific version number to go with the above and a change to the maintainer line. -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Where is telnet?
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 19:33, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: [2] Needs an icon, a better section, a Maemo-specific version number to go with the above and a change to the maintainer line. Icon added; now in the correct[1] user/network; maintainer set to me and the version set to 0.17-maemo2. Going through the chinook, diablo fremantle autobuilders now. MUD source package also checked in: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/telnet.pkg/?root=mud-builder On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 19:43, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: Does it really matter when it's so trivial to port from upstream? Trivial for whom? Yes, it matters. I'm not suggesting that any user who wants telnet should have to port it (although what I've just done is a packaging effort; not a developing one - you will need the SDK installed to test build the package, though) but that it is not something which requires innate knowledge that only Nokia can provide. HTH, Andrew [1] https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories#New_list_for_Diablo -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: videos on n810
2009/3/10 Olavo Junior sky...@gmail.com: lala$ tablet-encode -p best 1234567890.mp4 foo.avi ... lala$ du -ms foo.avi 1 foo.avi Would it be possible for you to send me the video (1234567890.mp4, in your example)? Does it play if you do: $ mplayer 1234567890.mp4 Thanks in advance, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Jean-Christian de Rivaz j...@eclis.ch wrote: From what I can find on the net, HSPA seem to be an extend of the 3G. So it seem logical to me that the next tablet will have 3G radio. Yup, that's practically assured. However, you were also talking about how it definitely won't have voice; there's been no definitive statement on that, and the evidence either way is not yet persuasive. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Jean-Christian de Rivaz j...@eclis.ch wrote: I don't understand why the next tablet will not be able to make regular phone call, since it will have 3G link. It's a non sense. You seem awfully sure about the features of a device which has yet to be announced, let alone released. Perhaps such certainty should be held in check until an announcement is actually made about what the RX-51 and RX-71 *are*? Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Fwd: Community Council elections: nomination deadline approaching!
This is, of course, open to anyone in the Maemo community meeting the minimum requirements. A subscription to maemo-community isn't required! Information on standing: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-February/003355.html Information on the declarations to date: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations_for_March_2009 Cheers, Andrew -- Forwarded message -- From: Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org Date: Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM Subject: Community Council elections: nomination deadline approaching! To: List for community development maemo-commun...@maemo.org Hi all, A quick reminder that nominations are open now for the Maemo Community Council elections, and will remain open until March 11th, 23:59 UTC. For those without a calendar handy, that's next Wednesday. Next Tuesday, I will be getting the current list of maemo.org accounts, and generating the electorate list according to the results of the referendum, and we will be sending out voting tokens next Wednesday. If you are interested in being a member of the community council, or you know someone who would be great for the council but who has been shy about nominating himself, you have only a few more days to get your nomination in. Nominations should be made by email to the maemo-community mailing list. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dne...@maemo.org Jabber: bo...@jabber.org ___ maemo-community mailing list maemo-commun...@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Matt Emson mem...@interalpha.co.uk wrote: I'm trying to stay out of this discussion, because it is a circular argument - no one will win because there is no simple correct stance. And now we've both failed at that :-) The N800 was never sold as anything *but* a consumer product in PC World - which may well speak volumes for PC World's stupidity, but also supports what Mark is saying. Agreed, and fully understandable. Can we draw up a list of what - exactly - the N8x0 fails to do out-of-the-box which it is advertised it *can* do; and requires hacker-like skills to enable? Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Matt Emson mem...@interalpha.co.uk wrote: Andrew Flegg wrote: Agreed, and fully understandable. Can we draw up a list of what - exactly - the N8x0 fails to do out-of-the-box which it is advertised it *can* do; and requires hacker-like skills to enable? [snip complaints, and other device comparisons] The N800 was a good device 2 years ago, just not now. Things move on. Right, so although your complaints may be valid (I'm not saying they're not - honestly, I'd love my tablet to be faster, which is why I'm looking forward to an RX-51/71), they're not relevant to any discussion about Nokia mis-selling the tablets or promising they can do more than they can. *That*'s what I was trying to pin down. For all their flaws, I'm not aware of Nokia saying you could do something which you actually couldn't - unless you were willing to open X Terminal, fiddle with configuration files and so on. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Mark wolfm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: For all their flaws, I'm not aware of Nokia saying you could do something which you actually couldn't The fundamental problem is that you are *deliberately* unaware because you refuse to accept reality. Like G.W. Bush and a slew of others, no amount of obvious fact will deter you from believing what you want to believe. I'm trying to turn a flaming trollfest into something more constructive. Instead of calling me names, can you actually respond to my question: what has Nokia advertised that you can do on the device, that you can only do by opening X Terminal, fiddling with configuration files etc? The device may be well suited to hackers, but - as far as I can tell - it meets its stated goals adequately without having to resort to such things. A number of times in this thread, people have said you have to be a hacker to do anything with it and Nokia don't advertise that. What did Nokia advertise that you've got to be a hacker to do? Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Ognen Duzlevski og...@naniteworld.com Andrew Daviel wrote: I think I used mencoder dvd://5 -oac twolame -twolameopts br=64 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:aspect=4/3:vbitrate=512 -vf scale=480:288 -idx -ffourcc DIVX -quiet -o jackjack2.avi This actually worked. Thank you very much. If you forgive the plug, with tablet-encode[1] that'd be: tablet-encode -p best dvd: Incredibles.avi (Or you could use the basic GUI to the same effect) It's got a feature I'm quite proud of (simple, really): if you just specify dvd://, it'll find the longest title and rip that. Cheers, Andrew [1] http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
John, you wrote: [snip] I have to agree with Mark that, implicitly, Nokia misleads the public to the extent that it markets the IT's along side of its other mass market mobile phone devices if, in fact, the IT's are a work in progress (I agree, they are, unfortunately) that will take 5 generations and a few more years to get the product ready for the mass market. I don't think they're yet ready for the mainstream, but I don't think they're an albatross around the neck of anyone who buys them, as your Amazon figures show: N800 4 stars out of 5 with a sample size of 172 N810 4 stars out of 5 with a sample size of 93 Anyway, let's remember the not ready for mainstream point... Over a period of three years, I can count on one finger the number of individuals besides myself that I have actually seen carrying/using an IT As you say, the mainstream aren't buying them yet. If they're not ready for the mainstream, that's a good thing, no? Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How to create a package and put it into http://garage.maemo.org
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:52 AM, Ramu contactr...@gmail.com wrote: We developed simple application and able to run application in scratchbox Target. Now we would like to put it into garage. I *think* you probably mean maemo.org Extras, so it is easily downloadable. Garage provides hosting services for a project's version controlled source code, bug tracker and website. It sounds like you're preparing for release, so you want: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Missing vim features in Maemo Extras
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Marius Gedminas mar...@pov.lt wrote: Please, whoever maintains it (Jaffa?), could you build a 7.0-0maemo2 version with --enable-multibyte passed to ./configure? 7.2-0maemo3 is now in Extras-devel for diablo: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/vim_7.2-0maemo3/ Testing welcome before it gets promoted to Extras. Once it's in Extras, I'll update the download page: https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vim/ Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Missing vim features in Maemo Extras
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: 7.2-0maemo3 is now in Extras-devel for diablo: Scrub that. I'm a dope, and the menu entry - despite looking pretty - didn't actually do anything. 7.2-0maemo4 is now in diablo Extras-devel :-) https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/vim_7.2-0maemo4/ Comments, as ever, welcome. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Missing vim features in Maemo Extras
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Marius Gedminas mar...@pov.lt wrote: [snip] While at it, it might be worthwhile to switch the upstream tarball URL to point to vim-7.2.tar.bz2. It has a couple of hundred bugfixes since 7.0 was released. Done. mud svn's got a newly buildable package - unfortunately, after committing it all I realised that the autobuilder won't be able to successfully build the source. *Stoopid* me. Anyway, the packages are here: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/vim_7.2-0maemo1_armel.deb http://bleb.org/software/maemo/vim_7.2-0maemo1_i386.deb This does include the menu entry to start the app, and proper vim icons in all the right places[1]. I'll fix the source issues and upload to extras tomorrow. Hope that helps, Andrew [1] I hope Fremantle, and the move to maemo.nokia.com will result in a massive increase in the quality of the reference material. It's badly Googleable - primarily (I think) because it doesn't ever contain the information I want. I finally got a list of icon sizes Hildon requires from Thomas Perl: http://thpinfo.com/2008/02/maemo-icon-sizes.html - but it shouldn't be this hard. -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Missing vim features in Maemo Extras
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Marius Gedminas mar...@pov.lt wrote: [snip] Do you perhaps know how to get mud-builder to apply a series of patches to a tarball? Yup. There's a lifecycle allowing you to expand the downloaded tarball, make any changes you want, and then create a patch file: http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/docs/creating.html Ideally, I'd like to restructure mud to use quilt for package management and a number of other enhancements. Anybody who wants to assist (and I don't care if it changes from being in Perl!), there're some notes here: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design While at it, it might be worthwhile to switch the upstream tarball URL to point to vim-7.2.tar.bz2. It has a couple of hundred bugfixes since 7.0 was released. No problem. Of course, patches to the mud file would be welcome ;-) Attached. Ta. Working on this now. I'll try to avoid getting distracted by tooling issues and instead focus on delivering a new vim package. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Missing vim features in Maemo Extras
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@pov.lt wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:32:15AM +0200, Marius Gedminas wrote: The vim package from Maemo Extras (7.0-0maemo1) lacks some of the features I've just discovered that I really need. One of them is Unicode support, which, considering that UTF-8 is the Maemo native encoding, really should be there. Please, whoever maintains it (Jaffa?), could you build a 7.0-0maemo2 version with --enable-multibyte passed to ./configure? Will do. I know there were a couple of vim ports floating around and I think mine only got as far as extras-devel (of course, someone else could've promoted it). I had intended to add a menu entry to start it in X Terminal before pushing it out, but never got around to it. While at it, it might be worthwhile to switch the upstream tarball URL to point to vim-7.2.tar.bz2. It has a couple of hundred bugfixes since 7.0 was released. No problem. Of course, patches to the mud file would be welcome ;-) https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/vim.xml?revision=239root=mud-builderview=markup Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Peter Flynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Abel wrote: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware I'm about to flash to Diablo. Everything is backed up, but in case I need it, whereabouts (what file) are my wlan connection data stored? I know most of the dozen or so access points I use regularly but there are a few that I'd like to be able to retrieve. You won't need it. If you've backed up Settings, access points are included[1]. I assumed they would be in one of the %gconf.xml files user /etc but a quick grep doesn't turn up anything useful. However, for reference purposes only, the definitions are in: /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/connectivity/IAP/ Hope that helps, Andrew [1] Be aware of bugs #3335 and #3542 which bit me when upgrading to Diablo. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3335 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3542 -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Ryan Abel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 24, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Mark wrote: But that's not what we're talking about anyway. The point was who the Tablets are marketed to, not the mailing list itself. At this point in time, no average PDA user is going to have much success with the Tablets without learning a bunch of Linux and getting their hands dirty under the hood. That's hardly consumer-friendly. The tablets aren't really _marketed_ to anybody, as Nokia doesn't actually market them. I've yet to see anybody convincingly back up the claim that a bunch of Linux is required to use the device as advertised, but this argument seems to be made up mostly of emotion, and I've had it more times than I care to remember, so I'm quite certain I know what the result of this one will be. Feel free to prove me wrong, though. My toddler (seen to those of you at the Summit on Saturday - eventually) happily uses the bookmarks menu on an N810, can start Tux Paint, can navigate to his folder of shortcuts and can then navigate the web browser. My wife uses an N810, installs applications, browses the web etc. Neither know any Linux command line incantations. It's not perfect at the moment, but it *is* a lot better than people say. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Default PIM software
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Peter Flynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anything available in Diablo or OS2008 that uses the camera successfully? (Just curious) The built in Internet Call. It works very well when your wife/son have an N810 at home, and you're working until 11pm practically every night for 3 weeks. Being able to say night night to my toddler's the only thing which has kept me (vaguely) sane. Ah. Yes. They got it badly wrong, which is surprising for Nokia. The market isn't suits who browse the web (and even if it was, all the more reason why they got the default PIM apps to disastrously wrong). As Quim's asked before - what are you using to define PIM? The only PIMish apps which ship with Maemo are Contacts and, arguably, Email. No PDA-sized browser is going to support all the hopelessly-broken web pages out there in the way that FF does, alas. But a version of Javascript that worked properly would be nice. Eh? Define worked properly: microb's JavaScript engine is perfectly fine, and, IME, browsing is only hamstrung by CPU performance, memory usage and screen size (and, to a degree, screen resolution). Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)
Luca wrote: Shall we expect Nokia to simply cease development work and stop everything because they have users of a current generation who can't use the newer faster better way of doing something? I can run the latest linux distribution on an almost 10 years old computer, and I assure you that the distro maker didn't stand still to cater for me. I've heard this argujment before and *can* relate to it. However: * The difference between a PIII and a modern processor is, in many ways, smaller than the difference between OMAP2420 (and the surrounding architecture) and the OMAP3430. * Having a good usable UI on a Maemo 5 device /and/ a decent user experience on an N810 will cost more to develop. Nokia *can't* ship a sub- standard UI (if Maemo 5'll be as good as planned) and officially support it. Heck, I could even use lxde instead of kde4 if I really cared about its slowness. And things like Debian will allow you to replace Maemo with something else; or keep Maemo 4. Nokia's plans to differentiate at the UI layer, and open the lower layers will help with other replacements at the higher levels - just as you describe. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Kamen Bundev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't it more logical to wait for the alpha SDK before we start projects for Fremantle? At least i don't have right now enough knowledge on the maemo 5 platform and what i can do with it. I can start a project now (or more likely renew/retarget existing one), but what will happen if the platform can't handle it later? Indeed. I have one or two thoughts on a Fremantle-based, Clutter-using application. I *hope* to start experimenting on it before the SDK arrives (learning Clutter, testing out structures in SQLite etc), but Sod's Law says that I'm unlikely to find the time or inclination to do anything on it until December. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Fwd: WiFi borked after update
Cross-posting from maemo-users as we're now getting into development effort. FWIW, I agree with Marius on the first setting (lose it) and agree the second settings should be kept; although I wonder why it shouldn't be that in blue-pill mode (i.e. the cross-domain warning for all users). More information on the problem/use-case of the cross-domain package would be useful, I think. -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member -- Forwarded message -- From: Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:59 PM Subject: Re: WiFi borked after update To: ext Dmitry S. Makovey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo users maemo-users@maemo.org ext Dmitry S. Makovey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marius Vollmer wrote: Yes. What about making red-pill mode non-persistent: on the next start of the AM, it would be back in blue-pill mode. I think this is a good middle-ground solution for the problem at hand. Ok, it's decided, then. Cool. There are two settings of the red-pill mode that require a restart of the AM to take effect. They would need to be fixed. Any volunteers? :-) From http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill-stable.html * Always check for updates Activating this setting removes the refresh button from the toolbar and instead performs a Checking for updates operation everytime you switch to the Browse installable applications or Check for updates view. This settings was added for some quick UI experiments, but we kept it afterward. You need to restart the Application manager for this setting to take effect. I think we can just remove this setting. It's pretty useless. * Ignore packages from wrong domain Usually, a package from a wrong domain will be completely ignored by the Application manager. Deactivating this setting will not ignore these packages. However, When actually installing a package from a wrong domain, a warning message will still be displayed and you need to confirm that installation should proceed. You need to restart the Application manager for this setting to take effect. The problem here is that the value of this setting is communicated to the apt-worker backend process only once during startup. It's useful to keep it, I'd say. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
Dmitry wrote: Well I know about colors, but why do you need them at all - that is my question. I don't know of any other distro using similar concepts: Xandros on Eee, Ubuntu, Debian, OpenMoko, Gentoo, RedHat - none is using a concept of two separate modes for installs. I wonder how did it happen that Maemo got those? Ubuntu's Add/Remove Software... is a frontend to apt which shows a subset of all the available packages; shows an end-user suitable name and a small icon. This is exactly what Hildon Application Manager does as well (although I don't know how Ubuntu's version works under the covers). Red pill mode switches it to show *all* packages (and also removes the Section: user/ prefix requirement). This is the reason for the two modes - one gives you the sanitised view, one gives you everything. I fully agree with blue-pill mode for end-users; but I don't understand why red-pill's needed: if you're a power user, I can't imagine Hildon App Mgr being a better UI than apt-get. HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, sometimes the Application manager is the only tool you have: xterm might not be there, or you can not login as root. It would be frustrating to not be able to bootstrap yourself into a root shell just because the Application manager doesn't let you install some package. True. Perhaps we (as a community) should try pushing this message more: red-pill mode is intended as a rescue environment in the event of b0rkage; not for every day use (even by power users)? Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:51 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or mod so that there is a power user mode that shows more info about the packages, but do not show the system related ones that red pill is there to protect. What's the use case that that'd support, though? I consider myself a proper power user but can't think of anything that could be useful for except causing people pain. If end-users can't install stuff without futzing around with tweaks to App Manager, it's a bug in the package they're trying to install. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
On 10/7/08, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Marius Vollmer wrote: Yes. What about making red-pill mode non-persistent: on the next start of the AM, it would be back in blue-pill mode. Sounds good to me. Agreed. Sounds like the best way of balancing the features against the problems it causes with people leaving it enabled. It needing virtual keyboard (that could be borked) on N80 is another concern though... Well, it's not the only way of entering text (Bluetooth or USB keyboard; SSH), nor the sole recovery option. If a system's so borked that the virtual keyboard doesn't work this change would only impact the power user if: * They otherwise had enabled Red Pill in expectation of needing it. * They had *not* installed SSH (or had no network access) * They had no USB or Bluetooth keyboard/adapter * They were unable to refllash. * Installing one or more packages would suffice to fix it. In this circumstance, I'm happy to say reflash ;-) Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: UI Questions
Christer, you wrote: As i understood it the UI in Maemo is closed so to speak ie Nokia are not giving out the spcs or did i misunderstand it? Not quite. The Hildon desktop is open; some of the end-user apps are open (including the browser and email client). Hildon is used in other mobile Internet efforts, like moblin Ubuntu MID. Also if that is the case why not use some other UI like the QT (Opie i think its called)? Is it possible to change the UI to something else ie not KDE or Gnome like something that has a small footprint ? Yes, it's possible; and some people do use Poky, Mamona, Debian, KDE, GNOME etc. Arguably, none of these are as well-integrated as the default environment. That's not the point of the discussion, though: the in-built Bluetooth status bar app is viewed (by some) as inconsistent and the source *for that* is unavailable. HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Another annoyance: bluetooth icon disappears
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Ryan Abel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a project to combine the Bluetooth and WiFi applets into a single applet (an Advanced Connectivity of sorts), but it hasn't really gotten off the ground lacking anybody with real knowledge of libconic and the connectivity interfaces, and, unfortunately, because both applets are closed there are no examples to work from. Don't you see, this is Nokia's differentiation at work. By having a UI which doesn't meet the user's requirements, they can ensure that competitors can't take their code and produce something just as limited! (*cough* #303 *cough* ;-)) In all seriousness, I just leave Bluetooth on all the time now, and allow paired devices to initiate connections that way. I would imagine that Bluetooth hasn't had quite the power usage focus as WLAN, but it should have had *some*. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Another annoyance: bluetooth icon disappears
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 09:53:07AM -0600, Mark wrote: Besides, one can choose to hide any of the status bar icons if it's too cluttered, and even pick the order. The problem is that certain ones can't be pinned there. And certain ones (e.g. presence) can't be hidden at all, which irritates me. Now *there's* a bug I could get behind. I'd love to see the UI Bibl^WSpecification which justifies *some* being user choosable but, oh no, not *that* one. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Problems with RSS feed reader in Diablo
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Michael Conklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will try to report it. Being a complete linux novice this may be beyond my current capabilities (attaching the contents of a device folder to the bug). This could be an instance of #3335 which I've got to put more info on: 1) It worked at the summit. 2) As did email automatic send/receive in modest (#3542) 3) They've both stopped working since I left. These facts make me think the two are very related (I'm going to change the summary of #3542 to stop referring to GMail). The only things I can think of which are different: * I turned off both RSS modest auto update. * I deleted all entries in /var/lib/alarmd/alarm_queue.xml apart from the update notifier ones. * Rebooted a number of times. * Turned on automatic update of RSS modest. * Connected, and saved, the maemo WLAN at the summit: this is a new entry in my connections db, with no security no spaces in the name of either the ESSID or the connection name. Since returning to the UK, neither have worked automatically, connected to both my home WLAN and work WLAN - one of which has WEP, the other WPA security; both have spaces in their connection names, one of which has some spaces in its ESSID; both of which were restored from a backup of chinook settings. (The summit connection was obviously not restored). Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n810 and Active X
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has Active X made it to the n810 yet? No. It's a proprietary Microsoft technology; I'm not aware of even how you'd *begin* to attempt to bring ActiveX controls to the N810. I think it's a dead duck, sorry. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n810 and Active X
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Ryan Abel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2008, at 9:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 02:21:52PM +0100, Andrew Flegg wrote: how you'd *begin* to attempt to bring ActiveX controls to the N810. using Wine, maybe? You are aware that Wine is x86-only, right? Wine qemu or bochs, perhaps. It'd be so slow as to be unusable, and so no-one's going to be insane enough to write all the NSPlugin infrastructure necessary (are they?). Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Where can I find the Video Converter tool for Linux?
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Clemens Eisserer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some time ago I downloaded the Video Converter for my Nokia 770. It worked well, and although it was just a java-interface for mencoder it saved me from trying all the possible command line switches to get an tablet-optimized result. That would be MediaConverter by Urho Konttori. Sadly I deleted this tool and I would like to use it now, so I searched for it on the Nokia site. I only found downloads for OSX and Windows - what happend to the Linux client? That sounds like you're talking about Nokia's Internet Tablet Video Converter of which there are versions for OS X Windows. There are a number of other tools, including my own tablet-encode[1] which runs on Linux (with an even simpler GUI) and a more complete list on the wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding Hope that helps, Andrew [1] http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council candidate: http://tinyurl.com/election-jaffa ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Maemo rootsh is misnamed?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it would appear that the maemo app rootsh is confusingly misnamed the same as the standard rootsh command. [...] Can you point me to a web page about the standard rootsh command? I've never encountered it on a UNIX-like system before, and isn't on my current Ubuntu box. My understanding of the standard rootsh command is that, in order to get a root shell with rootsh, the user must invoke rootsh using sudo. So the behaviour of the rootsh you know is really no different to just 'sh'? Is it possible that the implementation of maemo rootsh incorporates a sudo command? I believe it does, for that is it's point :-) It's basically a clone of becomeroot and easyroot, repackaged and put into Extras, given that instructing users to go to other random repos, to enable Red Pill mode or to install arbitrary debs is sup-optimal. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Dialblo vs. Chinock vs. OS2008
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:22 PM, tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am befuddled and confused by all of these names. I have OS2008 loaded on my N800, so What is Diablo? What is Chinook? What is th differences in them and compared to OS2008. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Version_history http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand#Definitions HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Maemo Summit Participant photos...
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to connect to your website I get the following error in Firefox sec_error_expired_certificate This is a problem with wiki.maemo.org's SSL certificate. It is being worked on. You have two options: 1) Add an exception for this website. 2) Remove the 's' and access http://wiki.maemo.org/Particpant_Photos Hope that helps, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Maemo Summit Participant photos...
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for correcting the link: http://wiki.maemo.org/Participant_Photos (participant not particpant) Sorry, my bad: shouldn't have retyped it by hand. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Wiki page of the Day: Video encoding
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Chris Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 12:05 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: The WPotD for today is Video encoding http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding - an article which, it seems to me, is in dire need of reduction. From my own experience, the page should be an instruction manual on installing tablet-encode and its dependencies, and that's it. Have to vehemently disagree with this, I've referred to this page for the manual conversion instructions plenty of times, as it tells me how to use tools that I already have on my system and are useful for non-tablet cases too... Should wiki.maemo.org /really/ be a handy reference guide to other pieces of software for non-tablet use cases? Admittedly, I'm probably biased as Dave name-checked my software. IMNSHO, I'd say detail on the tablet-specific encoders: tablet-encode, Nokia's ITVC, Media Converter and the other one (n800vc?) and links to non-tablet specific encoders which either output tablet-compatible out-of-the-box or have profiles for them. Maybe it should be split into simple/advanced sections perhaps, but a lot of that information is useful. How to use ffmpeg/transcode/vlc/mencoder in general is best elsewhere, IMHO. However, a detailed page describing the key issues and requirements of tablet video is a good idea. Just not on this page. Such a page should probably have a section per OS version saying how the limitations moved forward with each one. Anyway, this should be held on the talk page, rather than on the -dev mailing list. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Anonymous wiki edits: disable NOW (please)
Hi, I suspect the right place for this is maemo2midgard-discuss, but until that becomes maemo-community, here'll do: can we turn off anonymous editing of the wiki - or at least anonymous editing over HTTP. I've reverted the fourth or fifth spamming of Talk:Task:Community_Council and it's getting annoying. I don't see *any* harm in requiring an account to edit this wiki, the aims are much more focused than Wikipedia, and people should be getting karma anyway. Thanks in advance, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Anonymous wiki edits: disable NOW (please)
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Ryan Abel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 21, 2008, at 8:29 AM, Andrew Flegg wrote: I don't see *any* harm in requiring an account to edit this wiki, the aims are much more focused than Wikipedia, and people should be getting karma anyway. Done, but it's only a 24 hour block. Will have to be discussed further. Ta. I've created a page on which we can define the policy, and discuss it on the talk page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Meta:Anonymous_editing Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How to search on list archives?
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 04:42:38PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is possible to do a search on the archives of maemo mailing list? I cannot find how to do it. The Search box on maemo.org gives you a search page, where you can select 'Mail Archive' in the drop-down. Other options include tabletSearch: http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014783630360138230012:5hwd9yj0uno ...some form of URL filter in Google of the archive pages from: http://maemo.org/community/mailing-lists.html ...one of the third party archiving services (such as gmane) which provide a gateway to the lists. HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: omweather recently broken?
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Peter Bart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 20:48 -0400, Jeffrey Mark Siskind wrote: I'm running OS2008 on an N810. I have omweather installed. It was working fine until just the past day or so. Now the icons are all question marks in circles and the temperatures are all N/A. [snip]\ I have the same issue all of a sudden with ITOS 2007 on an N800 showing Redford and Plainwell, MI and Zurich. Ditto. Using OS2008 on an N810. At first I thought it was the Update on Internet connection with the dodgy overloaded wireless here at JavaOne, but it'd seem that's not the case. Only tried updating San Francisco, CA at the moment, not Rugby, UK. I'd guess weather.com or whomever has changed a format or something. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Hacker Edition (was Re: Is OS2006 still supported?)
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Current way is not ideal from the beginning. Each hacker edition so far was done without any public progress or discussion. So far the community role was mostly asking about progress with no answer, waiting, and later reporting bugs in garage tracker after some release appeared. I agree the setting was not ideal but it was the best we could get in order to deliver a HE in practical terms. The result of the exercise is all in all acceptable, according to the feedback received. I wouldn't say that: each HE may have been acceptable in and of itself, but the people waiting on it have been beholden to Nokia investing in it - which was obviously not in Nokia's strategic interest, or 770 support wouldn't have been dropped in the first place. My personal opinion (and I insist in the personal bit) is that a requisite to continue any Hacker Edition model is to have the community hackers not only involved but driving. Agreed. But Nokia need to do some more work to make this viable. As I outline in my maemo.org: what next? post[1], I'm afraid you can't get this for free. The community *could* maintain the Hacker Editions, but currently the level of work involved would be too great to make it worthwhile. For example (and I've not tried any of this myself, since I no longer have a 770, so please forgive any errors): * How can the community create an easy to install FIASCO image? * How can the community easily recompile large numbers of source packages from Maemo 3.x and 4.x with 770-compatible optimisations? * Are the changes which were necessary to build the existing HEs integrated upstream; is the series of patches applyable and maintainable over a given codebase? * Is it clear which bits of an N800 firmware image need to be extracted and reused wholesale, and which bits of an existing 770 firmware image need to copied verbatim as they are binary blobs? * Can the kernel be updated and still maintain user-expected functionality such as wifi, BT and power management? * If all the above is possible, can the community actually redistribute the images in compliance with the click-through EULA on ITOS firmware downloads, which prohibits redistribution? As I said, I don't know that these are the right questions, however I'd like to think of myself as fairly up-to-speed on maemo hacking and these are the ones that have literally just come off the top of my head without much thought. The community maintaining the Hacker Editions is perfect; especially since post-Diablo there's no guarantee that the N800 will be getting updates (Elephanta etc) and so there may be two devices the community want to support. BUT - and it's a big and important but - I think Nokia need to be more open on how they've built the HEs to date. Otherwise the community will be doing a whole load of work from scratch, which is never particularly high on open source developers' minds (IMHO). What does this mean in practice? We have discussed in several threads. Time to agree on things and document in a more structured manner? May sounds like a good month to draw the lines of a potential common plan. Please drive. We at Nokia will help knowing more about the stones in the way and the possibilities to remove them. First step, I think, is for people to be able to take the os2007on770 project from garage (is there an os2008on770 project?) and build their own firmware images from taking 770 binary blobs, N800 source code and os2007on770 patches. Until this is possible AND easy, the community just won't get involved. Once we're at that point, we can look at how to progress it. Unfortunately, getting there for this first step (AIUI) is entirely under Nokia's control. Perhaps it'd be different if the target device was the (presumably) more popular N800 and more geeks had to scratch that itch, personally. (Please don't consider this a reason to drop N800 support prematurely! ;-)) Hope that helps, Andrew [1] http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/04/20/maemo_org_what_next -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: where is crontab ?
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Olivier Ricou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: die 01/04/08, ad 21h07, Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit : However, there is an alarm API for scheduling tasks in a manner which won't destroy your battery life: [snip] sure, now I just have to make a crontab.c program that read a crontab, however I would have prefer a crontab.py program. I'd be surprised if the Python Maemo bindings didn't have an interface for the alarm interface, or use the DBus interface directly. A crontab.py should be emminently doable, I'd've thought. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: where is crontab ?
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Olivier Ricou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a newbie who just spent his week-end configuring his new N800 (I don't like keyboard for handhelds). I tried to configure some updates but couldn't find crontab. I've seen that the package debianutils has a cron but it seems you should not install it if you don't want to destroy everything. I could not find any other package with cron and since no one complains on the web, I presume it must be something simple, but what ? There's no cron shipped as standard with ITOS or Maemo; and I don't recall having seen a good port. However, there is an alarm API for scheduling tasks in a manner which won't destroy your battery life: http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/alarm-api/index.html http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/using_alarm_interface.html Hope that helps, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 built-in flash: unreliable?
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something weird is happening to my N810's internal flash memory (the one with the VFAT-formatted 2 gig internal memory card, not the 256 meg jffs2 root filesystem). It appears as if writing near the end of the device wraps around and destroys the data at the beginning. I can reproduce it like this: Could this be related to the N810s being shipped with a broken partition table? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2940 Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[ANN] tablet-encode v2.18 release
tablet-encode v2.18 ~~~ tablet-encode is a powerful application which guarantees to convert your videos to formats which will play on your Internet Tablet. By using a system of presets, you can choose the trade-off between size and quality. More information can be found on its homepage: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html This release sees a lot of new functionality including the ability to define your own presets without editing the script, automatic multi-episode DVD ripping, numerous bug fixes and improved Nokia 770 compatibility. The full changelog can be found at the garage page: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=1641 It runs on Linux, Mac OS X and Windows and can be downloaded from the garage page: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=455release_id=1641 Thanks to all of those who have contributed to this release. If you have any questions or problems, please don't hesitate to get in touch either directly, via IRC or on mediautils' bug tracker. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [ANN] tablet-encode v2.18 release
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Kahlil Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cool, this is such a great product. Keep it comming. If you need my help for maybe writting documentation of the script please feel free to ask. I used it all the time and I might be the user with biggest questions. Glad you like it :-) Since I am already writing you, how can I make the video to not get croped. Some of my Japanese anime are left without subtitles and I am still not passed through the basic Hiraganas of my japanese :) The --original-aspect (or -o) option will not perform any cropping. Hope that helps, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [ANN] tablet-encode v2.18 release
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Peter Flynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is excellent, Andrew, thank you. I used an earlier version to put LoTR on my N800 to watch during a stay in hospital :-) Glad it proved useful, but hope you're feeling better now. One query: is it optimised for the default size of window (shown when you open Media Player, with the sidebar, buttons, banner, and toolbar on display; and therefore with a reducd viewing area), or for full-screen? I used the smallest to save as much space as possible (and presumably make it play more smoothly) but there seemed to be a noticeable difference (more pixelation) at full-screen play compared with default. The aspect ratio of the window whether full-screen or not is the same; however smallest is a *really* low quality encoding to be the smallest possible to watch for short clips. I tend to use a preset of: * best if I've never seen the thing before * good for everything else * average (the default) for very short clips and tests smallest is the lowest quality which I find even bearable for something I'm not watching properly (if you see what I mean). Hope that helps, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[ANN] tablet-encode v2.17 release
Hi, I'm pleased to announce v2.17 of tablet-encode; a video encoder which specifically targets Nokia's Internet Tablets, and aims to be as simple as possible to use on Windows, Mac OS X or Linux. More info on tablet-encode can be found at: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html New in this version: * Use /dev/null and a named log file when in two-pass mode (suggested by Dave Coutts). * When using DVD auto-detection, select language based on first key in $LANG (requested by Luca Olivetti and Brad Midgley). It can be downloaded from the maemo garage now: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=455release_id=1557 The requirements are unchanged: * Mac OS X, Windows or Linux operating system. * Perl * mencoder - from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ If anybody has any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Package categories are being misused
On Jan 13, 2008 12:42 AM, Neil MacLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jussi Kukkonen wrote: Andrew already brought up the too-many-repositories problem, maybe I should revitalize the other repository discussion: The application-categories-are-useless one. I can only see this being solved by two things: 1. Insisting on the use of r.m.o and r.m.o/extras repositories, don't use third-party repositories 2. Having a check in procedure for updated new (even updated) packages whereby a package is reviewed prior to wider publication (eg. extras-devel would be ideal as a staging area) I had an epiphany this morning and have the start of an embryonic plan in my head to solve all of the multiple repositories, conflicting software, no QA (including bad sectioning) problems. Expect an email outlining it to maemo-dev shortly (once it's typed up, for example ;-)) Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: List of Repository for OS2008
On Jan 11, 2008 6:40 PM, Austin Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I really think this is papering over the cracks. We need to sort out the repository mess: all software should be in extras (or extras-devel for alpha/beta-level software), with no dependencies on any other repo unless it is installed by default. I've asked for upload permissions to extras twice by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] with no response either time. For me, and most likely others, it's just simpler and less hassle to just copy packages on to a web server. I know it's easier for the developer. But it's not easier for the user. Honestly, 1 developer n users; and I say that sitting in both camps. If there's a problem with getting upload rights, that needs to be highlighted and resolved. Possibly by an email to maemo-developers and a bug in Bugzilla? Others may have better suggestions for how to get the issue resolved. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: List of Repository for OS2008
On Jan 11, 2008 5:42 PM, Antonio Di Cello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday I arrived the n810 I immediately updated kernel, and I wanted to begin to test applications, I wanted to know if there is a list of all the repositories for the new official OS2008 (already included in the device) and unofficial. http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ However, I really think this is papering over the cracks. We need to sort out the repository mess: all software should be in extras (or extras-devel for alpha/beta-level software), with no dependencies on any other repo unless it is installed by default. The current situation is untenable but anything but the most dedicated user and hacks like gronmayer, or Red Pill mode, don't help towards a user friendly solution. /soap-box Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: fm radio
On Jan 10, 2008 9:28 AM, Klaus Rotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kalle Valo wrote: No, you're not stupid. The application instead is stupid if it does not warn about missing headset. Interesting. Is there an API that an application can detect if a headset is connected or not? There must be some software mechanism because the switch to headphone output for audio is controlled in software, rather than hardware. This can be seen by the fact that the FM radio application allows audio to be output through the speakers when a pair of headphones is acting as aerial. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Newbie question about videos
On Jan 10, 2008 2:50 PM, Stelian Iancu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] If I try to access F:, it doesn't work. On E: I have the following folders: .apt-archive-cache map tmp Video So I have copied my video into the Video folder. However, afterwards I cannot see it anywhere on the device. If I start the File Manager, I can see there the folders: - Audio Clips - Documents - Games - Images - Video clips however the Video clips folder doesn't contain my video, but some introductory N810 video. Your video has gone into the Internal memory card Video folder. Also, what is the second (F:) drive, the one that cannot be read in Windows? That is the external card slot. As you say you haven't got a card in there, it seems odd that it would still appear as a device. Hope that helps, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Flasher for Mac OS X problem
On Jan 9, 2008 12:56 PM, Thomas Armagost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sh: line 1: /Applications/Utilities/Nokia: No such file or directory This worries me a little. Does it mean anything? Are you using my GUI flasher? Apparently it doesn't support spaces in the filenames, but as I've not got a Mac anymore I can't check (or fix this). Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OS2008 Video converter
On Jan 3, 2008 8:20 AM, Josh Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the hint, drfredc! Unfortunately RM VBR is not included in the supported formats of handbrake. Still looking... Please advise on. Install mencoder[1] and then one of: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html (my own plug) or http://mediaconverter.garage.maemo.org/ HTH, Andrew [1] http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: MPlayer and Free42 for OS 2008
- Original message - Here is the command line I used to create it: $ mencoder dvd://4 -o the_way_c.avi -srate 44100 -oac copy -ovc lavc [snip] I personally don't know what all those options mean, but I got them from playing with the script tablet-encode. tablet-encode failed, but I adapted its parameters and ran the above command by hand. For instance I put dvd://4 near the beginning myself. What version of tablet-encode and how did it fail? My guess is that the existing audio stream was unplayable and in some weird format, but for some reason, tablet-encode is copying that audio stream. Please feel free to,send me details, or raise a bug in the tablet-encode tracker on garage. TIA, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Getting root on OS2008
On Dec 30, 2007 12:42 PM, Ari Yrjölä [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Enable the Maemo Extras repository 2. Install openssh 3. Define a root password (openssh's installer prompts you for this) Doesn't ask anything here with N800. There seem to be a couple of different openssh packages. Only one asked me to enter a new root account password, the other was more traditional. Red pill + 'sudo gainroot' doesn't work either for me: Red pill mode only affects the Application Manager, and disables checks in the GUI which prevent the direct installation of packages which don't start with a section of user/. sudo gainroot will only work as a command in these cases: 1) RD mode is enabled using the command line flasher or 0x 2) The becomeroot package is installed (easiest way, IMHO). There are other mechanisms for getting root access, though, Marius outlines one using SSH, for example. However, these only enable sudo gainroot to work if the /usr/sbin/gainroot script is modified once root access is available. Hope that helps, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OS2008 Damn ugly!!!
[No attribution with modest, I'm afraid] James knott wrote: Martin Grimme wrote: maybe you could be more specific about what's so damn ugly on OS2008? That would be a very long list. I'll have to look into that Plankton theme. Have you restored from a backup which perhaps could've broken your theme? I know in the past, I had issues in OS2007 when I restored from a backup when the previously configured theme was now not installed. Although I'd have to *strongly* agree with the other posters: non-specific, impolite ranting is not likely to effect change or get help. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Maemo on 64-bit environment
On Dec 24, 2007 9:32 AM, Jakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used Maemo on a 32-bit Ubuntu well, but when I moved to 64-bit Fedora, there're a lot of problem I have been dealing with during installation. Begin with Scratchbox. I've had good success with it on my Ubuntu Gutsy system by following the normal instructions for the Chinook SDK, but by running each command through a `setarch', rather than directly. Seems to work fine with the 32-bit libraries installed, and without needing a 32-bit chroot. HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Will repository.maemo.org be fixed?
On Dec 22, 2007 9:16 AM, Laurent GUERBY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have opened a new bugzilla for the repository situation: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2635 Feel free to vote/add info. I closed this as there was already a bug open: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2620 However, not everyone's transferred their votes from #2635 to #2620 yet. This doesn't happen automatically. As Neil says, this is a pretty shoddy situation, and a really disappointing end to the year. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Whiteboard confcall
On Dec 21, 2007 4:57 PM, Rainer Dorsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am wondering if there is a tool for Maemo which allows to share a whiteboard on several internet tablets (i.e. do a confcall and at the same time everybody can draw on and see the same whiteboard). I hope that this is useful for distributed teams. Since the maemo development community is also distributed others might have thought about this before A shared Xournal with a VoIP or Chat session going on simultaneously would be very cool. Would be even better if it could be P2P for small groups, as well as through a central server for larger, or cross-network. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: DVD to tablet
On Dec 10, 2007 11:45 PM, Brian Litzinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 09:27:02PM +, Andrew Flegg wrote: htttp://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html I had to comment out the line that starts #die mplayer doesn't support lavc encoder\n unless That's peculiar. But it still transcoded video properly? Could you send me the output of `mencoder -ovc help' and `mencoder -oac help'? Thanks in advance, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: DVD to tablet
On Dec 10, 2007 9:22 PM, sebastian maemo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm using Debian, but never played on video encoding... There's lots of tools in Debian to convert videos. But the question is... what is the best solution for our 770 tablets? I mean the simplest and lightest (I don't mind about video quality, but disk space...) So... what kind of format should I choose as the final form for my DVD to be seen on my 770? For Linux users, may I (not so) humbly suggest my own tablet-encode: htttp://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html You can choose the trade-off between disk size quality through a series of presets. The smallest one takes up around 1MB a minute. HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
