Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2013 - Introduction and Project Discussion
Pierre-Yves Chibon writes: How do you reply to a thread if you don't have access to the archives? The archives provide a URL to the web interface instead of a mailto URL. If it is thought as a different system then I understand. I was more confused if that was thought as part of HyperKitty as I believe it already does that to some extend (I'll let Aurélien specify to which extend). Sure. ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2013 - Introduction and Project Discussion
Although we would like for MM3 to run on Python 3, I don't think that all of our dependency libraries are ready for that yet. I am running MM under Python 2.7 Richard On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:13 AM, Udit Saxena saxena.u...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Udit Saxena saxena.u...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2013 - Introduction and Project Discussion To: I'm having problems installing the environment. From the 5 minute guide installation page: http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/A+5+minute+guide+to+get+the+Mailman+web+UI+running my bin/buildout from the mailman folder is not able to run. bootstrap.py runs fine. But I don't know how to go further. The error says: Exception: failed to run command : usr/bin/python3.3, /tmp/tmpoe01dx, -q,develop, -mxN The same error occurs with python3 as well. Please help. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Terri Oda te...@zone12.com wrote: On 13-04-06 3:33 AM, Udit Saxena wrote: 1. Authenticated REST-API in Postorius/Django 2. Web Posting Interface. And OpenPGP integration is something I would really interested in learning about but have no prior experience or knowledge about how to go about it. Can you guys guide me to someone who is overlooking these projects ? I would like to ask a few questions. We haven't actually parcelled out the projects to specific mentors at this stage, and we prefer to keep the whole community involved in discussions as much as possible, so please ask all questions directly on the list! Terri -- --- Udit Saxena Student, BITS Pilani, +917891400270 -- --- Udit Saxena Student, BITS Pilani, +917891400270 ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/richard%40nfsnet.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2013 - Introduction and Project Discussion
On Apr 08, 2013, at 07:02 AM, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: Although we would like for MM3 to run on Python 3, I don't think that all of our dependency libraries are ready for that yet. I am running MM under Python 2.7 We're down to two dependencies: restish and storm. I took a crack at restish, but got stuck. At Pycon, Thomi and I talked about another approach, and he was taking another stab at it, but I haven't talked with him about since then. I suspect storm will never get ported. I've said before that if that's the last dependency, we'll switch, probably back to SQLAlchemy as that's the only Python 3 compatible ORM I'm aware of. Help certainly wouldn't be turned down. :) -Barry ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2013 - Introduction and Project Discussion
Well, the Django ORM does run on python 3. So, even if it isn't the best, it is a possibility. Richard On Apr 8, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@list.org wrote: On Apr 08, 2013, at 07:02 AM, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: Although we would like for MM3 to run on Python 3, I don't think that all of our dependency libraries are ready for that yet. I am running MM under Python 2.7 We're down to two dependencies: restish and storm. I took a crack at restish, but got stuck. At Pycon, Thomi and I talked about another approach, and he was taking another stab at it, but I haven't talked with him about since then. I suspect storm will never get ported. I've said before that if that's the last dependency, we'll switch, probably back to SQLAlchemy as that's the only Python 3 compatible ORM I'm aware of. Help certainly wouldn't be turned down. :) -Barry ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/richard%40nfsnet.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2013 - Introduction and Project Discussion
On Apr 08, 2013, at 01:59 PM, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: Well, the Django ORM does run on python 3. So, even if it isn't the best, it is a possibility. Is it usable outside of Django? -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2013 - Introduction and Project Discussion
On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 15:03 +0530, Udit Saxena wrote: 2. Web Posting Interface. I haven't really followed the GSoC ideas for MM3 this year but that line poped-up on my radar. Isn't this similar/overlapping to what HyperKitty already does? I don't think one would want to embed posting messages from the admin interface of mailman (postorious), so posting from an interface would have to deal with archives as well (since one might want to reply to an existing thread). That's the reasoning that brought me to the question above :) Did I miss something? Pierre ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2013 - Introduction and Project Discussion
Pierre-Yves Chibon writes: On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 15:03 +0530, Udit Saxena wrote: 2. Web Posting Interface. Isn't this similar/overlapping to what HyperKitty already does? No. There's no reason why a web posting interface needs to interact with the archives; it can talk directly to Mailman core, and will need to do so for other features such as authentication, sister lists, and the like. You get archiving for free. I don't think one would want to embed posting messages from the admin interface of mailman (postorious), so posting from an interface would have to deal with archives as well (since one might want to reply to an existing thread). It could be as simple as embedding a button with an appropriate URL communicating the information needed to compose a message in the archive display interface. On the other hand, the posting interface to the archives could be a full separate subsystem, with a special- purpose browsing system oriented to rapidly selecting and yanking content from related messages. It might make sense to embed the interface in HyperKitty, which also has to deal with authentication, at least. But since posting and browsing are separate features I tend to favor creating an appropriate protocol for web posting, independent of the archive protocol and implementation. ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2013 - Introduction and Project Discussion
On 13-04-08 5:27 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Pierre-Yves Chibon writes: On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 15:03 +0530, Udit Saxena wrote: 2. Web Posting Interface. Isn't this similar/overlapping to what HyperKitty already does? No. There's no reason why a web posting interface needs to interact with the archives; it can talk directly to Mailman core, and will need to do so for other features such as authentication, sister lists, and the like. You get archiving for free. I think Stephen covered most of it, but I just want to add that I had in mind that if we do the separate posting interface right, we might be able to use this as the beginnings of a way to integrate any existing forum software into Mailman, much like we want to gateway from newsgroups. That said... I'm totally ok with this particular project being entirely part of hyperkitty in the short-term, though, since it'll clearly be a nice fit there right now and goodness knows I don't want to deal with yet another django-standalone instance running just to post messages. ;) The only reason I didn't suggest this be part of hyperkitty in the project description is that when I was writing up project information, I didn't know if any of the hyperkitty team would have time to mentor. If one of the hyperkitty devs wants to take the lead on mentoring this project, that would work for me! Terri ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2013 - Introduction and Project Discussion
Let me suggest that it would be useful to have the student develop something which could act as a plug-in module for any website. If we assume that there is an optional archiver such as hyperkitty, there should be a mechanism to seed the submission (in-reply-to, quoted text, etc.). But, if the archiver is not present, the same submission mechanism could handle submissions for any website, with or without postorius present. The interface should address user authentication, using, when available, credentials that have already been provided. But it should also accept un-authenticated submissions and interact with the system to implement the list policies. It should be interesting to see just what the students propose. -- Richard On Apr 8, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Terri Oda te...@zone12.com wrote: On 13-04-08 5:27 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Pierre-Yves Chibon writes: On Sat, 2013-04-06 at 15:03 +0530, Udit Saxena wrote: 2. Web Posting Interface. Isn't this similar/overlapping to what HyperKitty already does? No. There's no reason why a web posting interface needs to interact with the archives; it can talk directly to Mailman core, and will need to do so for other features such as authentication, sister lists, and the like. You get archiving for free. I think Stephen covered most of it, but I just want to add that I had in mind that if we do the separate posting interface right, we might be able to use this as the beginnings of a way to integrate any existing forum software into Mailman, much like we want to gateway from newsgroups. That said... I'm totally ok with this particular project being entirely part of hyperkitty in the short-term, though, since it'll clearly be a nice fit there right now and goodness knows I don't want to deal with yet another django-standalone instance running just to post messages. ;) The only reason I didn't suggest this be part of hyperkitty in the project description is that when I was writing up project information, I didn't know if any of the hyperkitty team would have time to mentor. If one of the hyperkitty devs wants to take the lead on mentoring this project, that would work for me! Terri ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/richard%40nfsnet.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2013 - Introduction and Project Discussion
On 13-04-06 3:33 AM, Udit Saxena wrote: 1. Authenticated REST-API in Postorius/Django 2. Web Posting Interface. And OpenPGP integration is something I would really interested in learning about but have no prior experience or knowledge about how to go about it. Can you guys guide me to someone who is overlooking these projects ? I would like to ask a few questions. We haven't actually parcelled out the projects to specific mentors at this stage, and we prefer to keep the whole community involved in discussions as much as possible, so please ask all questions directly on the list! Terri ___ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
