Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Log file

2005-05-23 Thread nikos
Thank you Mark.

Do also know what cause the bounce. Is somethng I should do?
Thanx

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To: nikos; mailman-users@python.org
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nikos wrote:

In the bounce log file there are written some lines after email send to

a list. What is the meaning of score?

Fo eg:

May 20 13:13:32 2005 (1714) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: list_name current bounce
score: 3.0

See the Bounce processing page in the admin interface.

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[Mailman-Users] maillist.php - fudforum

2005-05-23 Thread Jean-Philippe GIOLA
Hi all!

Have someone already use the FUDForum script maillist.php in order to 
replace pipermail ?

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[Mailman-Users] bouncing spams

2005-05-23 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi all.

i have setup mailman, that it automatically discards emails that have a 
spam-level (assigned by spamassassin) above a certain threshold.

this works very nicely.

however, the bounce-adress ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) of my mailing-lists 
gets spammed too, and those mails are forwarded to the administrator as 
unknown bounce messages.

is there a way to apply header-filters that go to the bounce-adress 
(without tweaking my mta) ?

or should i file a feature-request, that discard-filters in the 
privacy-spam section should also be applied to the -bounce ??

or did i miss something simple ?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Log file

2005-05-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
nikos wrote:

Do also know what cause the bounce. Is somethng I should do?

The actual returned bounce notice is not kept. If you set
bounce_notify_owner_on_disable to Yes, you will receive a copy of the
bounce notice that results in a member disable, but not the previous
ones that just increment the score.

You should set bounce_score_threshold and bounce_info_stale_after to
values appropriate for the amount of traffic on your list. The normal
default values of 5.0 and 7 days respectively are appropriate for
lists with posts every day, but a list with only one or two posts a
week might do better with 2.0 and 14 days respectively.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] bouncing spams

2005-05-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

however, the bounce-adress ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) of my mailing-lists 
gets spammed too, and those mails are forwarded to the administrator as 
unknown bounce messages.

is there a way to apply header-filters that go to the bounce-adress 
(without tweaking my mta) ?


Not without significant Mailman code modification.

This is an interesting question. Some of my list's -bounces addresses
get spammed too. Per an earlier thread, I think this is because the
-bounces address is harvested by spyware on a list members computer.

So I had a thought. If you are willing to pay the price to VERP all
deliveries (VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 in mm_cfg.py), then the address
that gets harvested is the VERP like address. Now assuming the
spammers aren't going to strip the VERP part off, it is the verped
address which is spammed and the bounce is not unrecognized.

Now of course, the member with the spyware appears to be bouncing and
may be disabled. This may or may not be a good thing, but if
VERP_PROBES is enabled (always in 2.1.5, option in 2.1.6), the probe
should reach the member, and the member won't be disabled. Also, the
receipt of a bounce probe could alert the recipient to the possibility
of spyware on his/her computer.

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[Mailman-Users] Installation/Config Problems

2005-05-23 Thread Pelkey, Jeff
Greetings,
 
 I will start by saying that I both a newbie to both Mailman and Python, 
although I have worked with Perl for years.  I have installed Mailman 2.1.5 and 
integrated with Postfix v2.1.5.  I have search the FAQ's with little success.
 
The Mailman issue is that when I try to add the Mailman alias db using the 
following line in main.cf:
alias_maps = 
hash:/etc/aliases,hash:/etc/postfix/aliases,hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
 
I get the following error messages:
May 23 11:53:27 dev postfix/smtpd[19360]: [ID 947731 mail.crit] fatal: 
unsupported dictionary type: hash
May 23 11:53:28 dev postfix/master[243]: [ID 947731 mail.warning] warning: 
process /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 19360 exit status 1
May 23 11:53:28 dev postfix/master[243]: [ID 947731 mail.warning] warning: 
/usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad
 
With the squid problem, I have tried a couple of different options with little 
success to point to the correct DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN and when I use the '%s' 
param it appends port 8000 and everything is pointed to port 8000 which is 
squid's httpd_accel_port.  When I try to put in the FQDN 
'http://myserver.domain.com/mailman' in mm_cfg.py, I get an error message on 
the webpage.  Who do I send the bug information too?
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Regards, Jeff Pelkey
Sr. Systems Engineer
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation/Config Problems

2005-05-23 Thread John Dennis
On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 14:38 -0400, Pelkey, Jeff wrote:
 Greetings,
  
  I will start by saying that I both a newbie to both Mailman and Python, 
 although I have worked with Perl for years.  I have installed Mailman 2.1.5 
 and integrated with Postfix v2.1.5.  I have search the FAQ's with little 
 success.
  
 The Mailman issue is that when I try to add the Mailman alias db using the 
 following line in main.cf:
 alias_maps = 
 hash:/etc/aliases,hash:/etc/postfix/aliases,hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
  
 I get the following error messages:
 May 23 11:53:27 dev postfix/smtpd[19360]: [ID 947731 mail.crit] fatal: 
 unsupported dictionary type: hash

The following command will print out a list of supported map types:

% postconf -m

Is hash one of them? It would be surprising if it weren't, but this is
the first place to start looking. 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation/Config Problems

2005-05-23 Thread Pelkey, Jeff
Dennis,

Thanks for the info!  Here's the returned output:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  postconf -m
static
cidr
nis
dbm
regexp
environ
proxy
unix

Whixh one would replace hash?

Much Thanx!  -- Jeff.

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Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 2:48 PM
To: Pelkey, Jeff
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On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 14:38 -0400, Pelkey, Jeff wrote:
 Greetings,
  
  I will start by saying that I both a newbie to both Mailman and Python, 
 although I have worked with Perl for years.  I have installed Mailman 2.1.5 
 and integrated with Postfix v2.1.5.  I have search the FAQ's with little 
 success.
  
 The Mailman issue is that when I try to add the Mailman alias db using the 
 following line in main.cf:
 alias_maps = 
 hash:/etc/aliases,hash:/etc/postfix/aliases,hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
  
 I get the following error messages:
 May 23 11:53:27 dev postfix/smtpd[19360]: [ID 947731 mail.crit] fatal: 
 unsupported dictionary type: hash

The following command will print out a list of supported map types:

% postconf -m

Is hash one of them? It would be surprising if it weren't, but this is
the first place to start looking. 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation/Config Problems

2005-05-23 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Pelkey, Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Dennis,
 
 Thanks for the info!  Here's the returned output:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  postconf -m
 static
 cidr
 nis
 dbm
 regexp
 environ
 proxy
 unix

Solaris, isn't it?

 Whixh one would replace hash?

dbm

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation/Config Problems

2005-05-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Pelkey, Jeff wrote:
 
With the squid problem, I have tried a couple of different options with little 
success to point to the correct DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN and when I use the '%s' 
param it appends port 8000 and everything is pointed to port 8000 which is 
squid's httpd_accel_port.  When I try to put in the FQDN 
'http://myserver.domain.com/mailman' in mm_cfg.py, I get an error message on 
the webpage.  Who do I send the bug information too?

You should not be changing DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN unless you want things
like a port or https instead of http. You need to make sure you have
the right values for DEFAULT_URL_HOST (probably 'myserver.domain.com')
and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, and if they aren't correct in Defaults.py, you
need to redefine them in mm_cfg.py and then add

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

following the definitions for DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME and DEFAULT_URL are deprecated and should not be
changed from their default assignments of None.

If all this is correct and you still have problems, you may need to run
fix_url.py against the existing lists.

See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.029.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation/Config Problems

2005-05-23 Thread Pelkey, Jeff
Mark,

Thanks.  I already had all of that in mm_cfg.py prior to creating the list.  
The fix_url used in the withlist script fixed the problem with the initial 
mailing list mailman, but the /mailman/create page still shows the form 
posting to the 8000 port.

Any ideas about how to resolve this issue?
Thanx, Jeff.

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Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:19 PM
To: Pelkey, Jeff; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation/Config Problems


Pelkey, Jeff wrote:
 
With the squid problem, I have tried a couple of different options with little 
success to point to the correct DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN and when I use the '%s' 
param it appends port 8000 and everything is pointed to port 8000 which is 
squid's httpd_accel_port.  When I try to put in the FQDN 
'http://myserver.domain.com/mailman' in mm_cfg.py, I get an error message on 
the webpage.  Who do I send the bug information too?

You should not be changing DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN unless you want things
like a port or https instead of http. You need to make sure you have
the right values for DEFAULT_URL_HOST (probably 'myserver.domain.com')
and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, and if they aren't correct in Defaults.py, you
need to redefine them in mm_cfg.py and then add

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

following the definitions for DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME and DEFAULT_URL are deprecated and should not be
changed from their default assignments of None.

If all this is correct and you still have problems, you may need to run
fix_url.py against the existing lists.

See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.029.htp

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[Mailman-Users] Using CSS to alter the look and feel of archives

2005-05-23 Thread Henry Katz-Diego
Hi,

We're helping a friend who wants to change the mailman archives. We're 
using CSS to implement a three column design with a header.

We've read the archive entries and FAQ which explain how to update the HTML.

One thing we aren't certain of is placement of the closing /div tags for 
each of the three columns.

The closing /body and /html tags are included in archidxfoot.html. Are 
the closing /div tags best placed in article.html, archtoc.html? Or, 
should they be placed in archidxfoot.html? Or maybe I'm just very confused?!

We're creating the look and feel of these pages outside the server upon 
which they normally reside, so we can't really test them. I'd like to take 
them to the administrator -- a guy who administers this box on a volunteer 
basis -- without a lot of hassle.

Thanks,


Henry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation/Config Problems

2005-05-23 Thread Mark Sapiro
Pelkey, Jeff wrote:

Thanks.  I already had all of that in mm_cfg.py prior to creating the list.  
The fix_url used in the withlist script fixed the problem with the initial 
mailing list mailman, but the /mailman/create page still shows the form 
posting to the 8000 port.

Any ideas about how to resolve this issue?

If VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = On (default), the hostname in the post url
of the form and also in the Create a hostname Mailing List line at
the top of the page comes from the environment (if found). Normally,
it will be the value of HTTP_HOST or (SERVER_NAME if no HTTP_HOST)
also an attempt is made to strip SERVER_PORT from the end. Here is the
full code in case it makes sense to you.

def get_domain():
host = os.environ.get('HTTP_HOST', os.environ.get('SERVER_NAME'))
port = os.environ.get('SERVER_PORT')
# Strip off the port if there is one
if port and host.endswith(':' + port):
host = host[:-len(port)-1]
if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW and host:
return host.lower()
else:
# See the note in Defaults.py concerning DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
# vs. DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.
hostname = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_HOST_NAME or mm_cfg.DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
return hostname.lower()

If you are not using virtual hosting, you can set VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW
= Off in mm_cfg.py and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST will be used instead.

I think the real solution is just to insure that the URL used to access
the create page doesn't have the port. Note that the link to the
create page from the admin overview page is built in the same way.

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