Re: [Mailman-Users] listinclusion patch (was: Messages not delivered *RESOLVED*)
On Jun 9, 2005, at 01:52, Mark Sapiro wrote: I think I see the problem with the listinclusion patch. It locks the @list list and doesn't unlock it. I don't see a need to lock the list, Thanks Mark! I've made that change as well as finally patching the help for accept_these_nonmembers. The revised version of the patch is in the SourceForge patch tracker: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? func=detailaid=1220144group_id=103atid=300103 -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/ Mailman IRC irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] PRIVATE/PUBLIC EXTERNAL ARCHIVER
Hi all! I want to use an another archiver for mailman like monharc or pipermail (or one that i 'm developping) and i want to know if , when a mail is sent to a list, the external archiver will treat all the mbox file of the list or only the mail that was just sent ? best reguards. -- Jean-Philippe Giola - 6577 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.5 fedora core 3 prevent mailbody problem
Mark Sapiro wrote: Andy Heath wrote: so how does subject:.*[SPAM}.* (admitredly meaning s or p etc) trigger the behaviour but subject.*spam not trigger it ? Because on the second and subsequent passes through it is looking at the subject of the notice to the owner which contains 's', 'p', 'a' and 'm' but not 'spam'. I.e. it is looking at Subject: %(listname)s post from %(sender)s requires approval with the appropriate substitutions for %(listname)s and %(sender)s. ok I got it now. And in fact redefining OWNER_PIPELINE would not be the best approach - knowing that the RE is applied to both messages and getting it right is the way to go. ( so I want subject.*\[SPAM\].* ). I did log a feature request for the other issue. Thanks for all your help Mark. If someone could do an ls -R or ls -lR (if there are links) of a 2.1.5 mailman directory and post it it would help figure out where fedora puts all the pieces (I'll build a list of links from it so it looks like a normal mailman directory and I can work with it more easily). OFF-TOPIC below: Standards compliance (fedora) is one thing (I work in standards) but when everyone already has a fine standard (put it in the mailman user directory) and the community has no plans to change that then i find it very silly to just throw that away (when people in a community don't have a standard practice and need pulling together then imposing one is good but the mailman community already have a very good de facto standard that its barmy to change without getting the community on board). I'd prefer to stick with normal mailman practice. In fact I considered not using the fedora package and building mailman by hand as I used to do. I approve of standards for where to put things but communities have to be brought along, standards can't be dictated. Next machine I build won't be fedora - not knowing where things are feels like working with MS. andy -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Bug on Version 2.1.5
Hi, today we found this Bug. Version of Mailman is 2.1.5. Maybe new version solve problem ? thanks. - Jun 14 11:38:54 2005 admin(1293): admin(1293): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.5 -] admin(1293): [- Traceback --] admin(1293): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(1293): File /opt/URVmailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main admin(1293): main() admin(1293): File /opt/URVmailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py, line 234, in main admin(1293): num += show_helds_overview(mlist, form) admin(1293): File /opt/URVmailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py, line 499, in show_helds_overview admin(1293): KKKesender = _(esender) admin(1293): File /opt/URVmailman/Mailman/i18n.py, line 89, in _ admin(1293): return tns % dict admin(1293): TypeError: int argument required admin(1293): [- Python Information -] -- -- Jordi Tomàs Boqué Recursos Informàtics i TIC Universitat Rovira i Virgili C/ de l'Escorxador s/n 43003 Tarragona - Catalunya - Spain A/e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telf: +34 (9) 77 55 8652 Fax: +34 (9) 77 55 82 57 -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.5 fedora core 3 prevent mailbody problem
On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 09:50 +0100, Andy Heath wrote: If someone could do an ls -R or ls -lR (if there are links) of a 2.1.5 mailman directory and post it it would help figure out where fedora puts all the pieces (I'll build a list of links from it so it looks like a normal mailman directory and I can work with it more easily). There are two much easier ways to get this information: 1) read the documentation (/usr/share/doc/mailman-*/INSTALL.REDHAT) 2) rpm -ql mailman (-ql prints a package file list) OFF-TOPIC below: Standards compliance (fedora) is one thing (I work in standards) but when everyone already has a fine standard (put it in the mailman user directory) and the community has no plans to change that then i find it very silly to just throw that away The directory change was dictated by the need to integrate with the SELinux security policy. This is a positive technology advancement. Adhering to the FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) is a stated goal and appreciated by many. Most people prefer distributions that integrate packages into a coherent system that follow established rules. Individual package defaults are not a standard. -- John Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.5 fedora core 3 prevent mailbody problem
OFF-TOPIC below: Standards compliance (fedora) is one thing (I work in standards) but when everyone already has a fine standard (put it in the mailman user directory) and the community has no plans to change that then i find it very silly to just throw that away The directory change was dictated by the need to integrate with the SELinux security policy. This is a positive technology advancement. Adhering to the FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) is a stated goal and appreciated by many. Most people prefer distributions that integrate packages into a coherent system that follow established rules. Individual package defaults are not a standard. I note your email address John (redhat.com) and observe your defensiveness on this. I differ on this (and I do work in the standards world). YMMV - there is no right answer and I qualified all the things above as opinions and tried not to make personally projective statements of opinion such as Most people prefer I completely appreciate the reasons for the FHS but not the way it is applied to mailman in the community. One reason for example is that it means I have to learn TWO standards - the mailman way and the Fedora way and constantly be mentally mapping between them - otherwise if I want the latest update I am dependent on redhat to have packaged it (which is as bad as Ms.) The *sensible* way to implement standards with a community is to get them on board not redesign their work. If the mailman developer community adopts the FHS for mailman then that's a different story entirely and I would follow without complaint. These are my views, not those of any company and I'm not claiming any blanket truths except that standards are only as useful as their adoption by communities. The ls -lR of /home/mailman would still be useful andy -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] PRIVATE/PUBLIC EXTERNAL ARCHIVER
Jean-Philippe GIOLA wrote: I want to use an another archiver for mailman like monharc or pipermail (or one that i 'm developping) and i want to know if , when a mail is sent to a list, the external archiver will treat all the mbox file of the list or only the mail that was just sent ? As it says in the description in Defaults.py, the command string is invoked via os.popen(). This creates a pipe to the standard input of the command. The current message (only) is then written to the pipe. At this point, the message has already been written to the listname.mbox/listname.mbox file, so if your external archiver wants to read that file, it can, but it doesn't have to to get the current message which is piped to its standard input. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Red Hat FHS packaging (was: 2.1.5 fedora core 3 prevent mailbody problem)
Andy Heath wrote: If the mailman developer community adopts the FHS for mailman then that's a different story entirely and I would follow without complaint. In fairness to John Dennis, he did raise these issues for discussion last year on the Mailman-Developers list. See threads at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2004-September/017270.html and http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2004-October/017343.html -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Red Hat FHS packaging
Mark Sapiro wrote: Andy Heath wrote: If the mailman developer community adopts the FHS for mailman then that's a different story entirely and I would follow without complaint. In fairness to John Dennis, he did raise these issues for discussion last year on the Mailman-Developers list. See threads at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2004-September/017270.html and http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2004-October/017343.html Thanks for pointing me at these posts Mark. I read all the content of those 2 posts by John and understand the arguments. I'm still of the view that unless the community runs with it then its not such a good step though I appreciate John's view is different. The issue it raises is maintenance. If FC does it differently then it means users are dependent on FC providing updated packages or working hard to manually do that mapping with updated code. Effectively it becomes an FC package not a general one but the developers are not part of FC. It also introduces another step at which bugs can occur. Is there guidance in the standard mailman distributions on how to build for FC starting with a tar.gz ? There needs to be some easy path between the two methods in my view. andy -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Red Hat FHS packaging
On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 21:38 +0100, Andy Heath wrote: Is there guidance in the standard mailman distributions on how to build for FC starting with a tar.gz ? To the best of my knowledge the install document provided in the tar ball applies equally well to Fedora thus it is not necessary to have special Fedora instructions. -- John Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1.5 fedora core 3 prevent mailbody problem
At 4:08 PM +0100 2005-06-14, Andy Heath wrote: If the mailman developer community adopts the FHS for mailman then that's a different story entirely and I would follow without complaint. SELinux and the FHS are both specific to a particular OS -- Linux. We have to support dozens of different OSes. It would be just as silly to apply a standard appropriate for Linux to an operating system like Xenix, as it would be to do the reverse. We have no choice but to create our own standards that are applicable across all the platforms we support. Of course, we will do what we can to make these standards something that can be changed at installation time, if someone needs to follow a different set of standards for their particular site/platform. Of course, if someone else is going to take those features and create their own standards, or follow alternative standards, and then produce binary installations which will be provided to their customers, then they are also responsible for supporting those modified versions of the package for their customers. RedHat is doing a good job in this area. Others cannot say the same. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Red Hat FHS packaging
At 9:38 PM +0100 2005-06-14, Andy Heath wrote: The issue it raises is maintenance. If FC does it differently then it means users are dependent on FC providing updated packages or working hard to manually do that mapping with updated code. Effectively it becomes an FC package not a general one but the developers are not part of FC. Correct. They have produced their binary package version, and they need to keep up-to-date with that. My experience is that they've done a pretty good job in that department. Of course, any support issues that come up that are specific to their binary package version is something that they will need to support. Again, RedHat seems to have done a pretty good job in that respect -- witness John's presence on the mailman-users mailing list, and his frequent posts. At this point, I'm much more unhappy with the kind of crap we've seen from CPanel and Apple. Is there guidance in the standard mailman distributions on how to build for FC starting with a tar.gz ? According to their particular filesystem structure? No. That is something that RedHat would need to produce -- and support. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] No admin/moderator emails being sent
I am experiencing a problem where the moderators and/or the list admins are not getting notifications regarding things like mail being held and I am wondering what I am doing wrong. If I send mail to the list as a non list member, the mail gets held, I (the non list member) get a response via email saying that my message is being held for moderation. I can login as a list admin or moderator and look at the pending requests and I see all of the messages awaiting approval, but the list admins / moderators never get email about it! I tried setting both the list admin as well as the moderators and setting a moderator password, no one got notified. I removed the moderators, leaving only an admin, still nothing. admin_immed_notify is set to yes and I have also tweaked the file that sends out reminders at 8 am to send out reminders every 5 minutes and then restarted the mailman service. I see nothing that seems to be showing a problem in the mailman logs and in the vette log I can see things such as Jun 14 15:43:40 2005 (21062) Announce post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] 0803.mail.yahoo.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Does anyone know what could be going on here? Thanks much for any help, Kris -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] No admin/moderator emails being sent
Just an update, I sent mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I have successfully received the message, so from my understanding, the alias is not messed up. -Kris On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 16:25, Kris Vassallo wrote: I am experiencing a problem where the moderators and/or the list admins are not getting notifications regarding things like mail being held and I am wondering what I am doing wrong. If I send mail to the list as a non list member, the mail gets held, I (the non list member) get a response via email saying that my message is being held for moderation. I can login as a list admin or moderator and look at the pending requests and I see all of the messages awaiting approval, but the list admins / moderators never get email about it! I tried setting both the list admin as well as the moderators and setting a moderator password, no one got notified. I removed the moderators, leaving only an admin, still nothing. admin_immed_notify is set to yes and I have also tweaked the file that sends out reminders at 8 am to send out reminders every 5 minutes and then restarted the mailman service. I see nothing that seems to be showing a problem in the mailman logs and in the vette log I can see things such as Jun 14 15:43:40 2005 (21062) Announce post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] 0803.mail.yahoo.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Does anyone know what could be going on here? Thanks much for any help, Kris -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/kris%40linuxcertified.com Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] No admin/moderator emails being sent
Kris Vassallo wrote: I am experiencing a problem where the moderators and/or the list admins are not getting notifications regarding things like mail being held and I am wondering what I am doing wrong. snip admin_immed_notify is set to yes and I have also tweaked the file that sends out reminders at 8 am to send out reminders every 5 minutes and then restarted the mailman service. The cron checkdbs job is not involved in sending the admin_immed_notify messages, although it should send a xx approvals waiting type of message each time it is run (if xx is not zero). I see nothing that seems to be showing a problem in the mailman logs and in the vette log I can see things such as Jun 14 15:43:40 2005 (21062) Announce post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] 0803.mail.yahoo.com: Post by non-member to a members-only list Does anyone know what could be going on here? All these notices are sent first to the listname-owner address and then when received by mailman at that address, they are resent to the actual owners and moderators. Something is going wrong with this process. Most likely, the alias for the listname-owner address has something wrong with it. Try sending a message directly to the listname-owner address and see what happens to it. Look in Mailman's bounce log and smtp-failure log (if any) and/or the MTA logs. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] No admin/moderator emails being sent
Kris Vassallo wrote: Just an update, I sent mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I have successfully received the message, so from my understanding, the alias is not messed up. I replied before I saw this. OK, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] address works at least for external mail. You didn't say, but I guess from absence of complaint that non-held messages and approved messages actually get sent to the list. Is VirginRunner running? (try 'ps -fwu mailman' or whatever your mailman user is). Check Mailman's qrunner log. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] No admin/moderator emails being sent
On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 16:46, Mark Sapiro wrote: Just an update, I sent mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I have successfully received the message, so from my understanding, the alias is not messed up. I replied before I saw this. OK, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] address works at least for external mail. You didn't say, but I guess from absence of complaint that non-held messages and approved messages actually get sent to the list. Approved messages hit the list with no problem. Also things such as notifications that people subscribed to the list and list creations generate emails to the owner just fine. Is VirginRunner running? (try 'ps -fwu mailman' or whatever your mailman user is). Check Mailman's qrunner log. Yup sure is. #ps -fwu mailman --snip-- mailman 21068 21058 0 15:05 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s --snip-- As for the log, the last thing I see in there is Jun 14 15:05:01 2005 (21068) VirginRunner qrunner started. So I watched the log and then sent a message, nothing shows up in the log, I don't know if something is supposed to or not. Thanks, Kris -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] No admin/moderator emails being sent
Kris Vassallo wrote: Approved messages hit the list with no problem. Also things such as notifications that people subscribed to the list and list creations generate emails to the owner just fine. Actually, hold and 'moderator requests' notices are created via a different method than the subscribe/unsubscribe and list creation notices. The former (the ones you don't get) are sent to the listname-owner address and the others are sent directly to the list of owners (and moderators in the case of sub/unsub). Since you have verified that the listname-owner address actually works, It seems there may be a problem with the way the listname-owner address is obtained for the notification. Do you have access to bin/withlist? If so, do bin/withlist listname Then at the prompt type m.GetOwnerEmail() and see what is returned (enter control-D at the second prompt to terminate withlist). snip As for the log, the last thing I see in there is Jun 14 15:05:01 2005 (21068) VirginRunner qrunner started. So I watched the log and then sent a message, nothing shows up in the log, I don't know if something is supposed to or not. It's good you didn't see anything. You were just looking to see a message about it exiting if there was one. Normally, things just run and there are no log entries except when a specific mailmanctl action (stop, start, restart) is done. Anyway, I think we've ruled out a qrunner problem. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] No admin/moderator emails being sent
Kris Vassallo wrote: On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 18:04, Mark Sapiro wrote: Since you have verified that the listname-owner address actually works, It seems there may be a problem with the way the listname-owner address is obtained for the notification. Do you have access to bin/withlist? If so, do I have root access to the box so I can do whatever :) bin/withlist listname Then at the prompt type m.GetOwnerEmail() and see what is returned (enter control-D at the second prompt to terminate withlist). m.GetOwnerEmail() '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sounds like what you are telling me is that I should be getting the email according to the output of the above command. Hmph Yeah, that's what I say - Hmph So admin_immed_notify is yes, and the poster gets the reply that the message is held for moderation, but there is no e-mail to the owner(s), yet mail addressed directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] gets delivered to the list owner(s). If it were working, you would see three entries in Mailman's smtp log similar to the following: Jun 14 10:32:59 2005 (13248) [EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.027 seconds Jun 14 10:32:59 2005 (13248) [EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.030 seconds Jun 14 10:33:27 2005 (13248) [EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.029 seconds The time stamps and (pid) will be different and the digits in the message-ids will be different, and the number of recips for the third entry would be the number of owners and moderators which may be more than 1, but here's the crucial thing. The first entry with 292 in the message-id is the notice back to the poster. The second entry with 293 in the message-id is the notice to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and the third entry with the same message-id as the second is the re-delivery of the owner notice to the actual owners/moderators. Do you see all 3? If not, what? Also is there anything in the smtp-failure log with the same time/message-id? Finally, does the same MTA handle mail outgoing from mailman and mail incoming to mailman. If not, what happens when the outgoing MTA gets the message for [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] aliases assistant
Hi All, I am a novince to Mailman. I followed the steps to install Mailman 2.1.5 in RH Linux 9. It works pretty well except I have to add a bunch of aliases for a list to /etc/aliases. I tried David Champion's mm-handler method to save my manual work, but I got unknown user when I try to send a email. I use sendmail. My configuration: 1. copy mm-handler to /etc/mail 2. set $MMWRAPPER=/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman set $MMLISTDIR=/usr/local/mailman/lists 3. make some changes in sendmail.mc a.. change define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases,/etc/lists') to define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases,/etc/lists') b.. add Mmailman, P=/etc/mail/mm-handler, F=rDFMhlqSu, U=mailman:mailman, S=EnvFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL, A=mm-handler $h $u 4. make some changes in virtusertable @testbed.majitek.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. make some changes in mailertable testbed.majitek.com mailman:testbed.majitek.com 6. make all these map by running make then restarting sendmail services 7. modify mm_cfg.py DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST='mit.majitek.com' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST,DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) MTA=None Am I in the right track? really need help!! Thanks, Diana -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] aliases assistant
Diana Huang wrote: I am a novince to Mailman. I followed the steps to install Mailman 2.1.5 in RH Linux 9. It works pretty well except I have to add a bunch of aliases for a list to /etc/aliases. I tried David Champion's mm-handler method to save my manual work, but I got unknown user when I try to send a email. I use sendmail. I can't help you with configuring mm-handler, but see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.049.htp for an alternate way of doing this that might be easier for you. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] aliases assistant
Hi Mark, Thx for your email. Actually I tried that method, but I got some errors /usr/bin/sudo: /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases: command not found Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/bin/genaliases, line 116, in ? main() File /usr/local/mailman/bin/genaliases, line 106, in main MTA.create(mlist, nolock=True, quiet=quiet) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 232, in create _update_maps() File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/bin/sudo /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Any comments? Thanks, Diana -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
