[Mailman-Users] closely related lists - using users from a different lists

2005-07-05 Thread David Cake
I have two lists that are effectively low and high traffic 
lists designed to serve the same constituency. So that a large number 
of people do not need to be subscribed to announcements that go out 
on the low traffic list, the high traffic list is also subscribed to 
the low traffic list.
The only problem is that this means almost no one is 
subscribed to the low traffic list, and virtually none of the people 
who might post to it are, so almost every message is moderated.
Is there a way to allow people who are subscribed to a second 
list to be accepted as subscribers to the first?
Cheers
David
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[Mailman-Users] Custom confirmation emails (verify.txt)

2005-07-05 Thread Poster

Howdy everyone. I'm looking for the directory to place my custom
verify.txt file in so that Mailman will send it out for a particular
list. I've read the FAQ and
/var/lib/mailman/lists/name_of_list/en/verify.txt
doesn't work. Is it then /usr/lib... ? I'm just wondering how the rest
of y'all got it to work, because either I'm in the wrong place or the
FAQ is now out of date...

Thanks,
~Poster

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Custom confirmation emails (verify.txt)

2005-07-05 Thread Brad Knowles
At 4:44 PM -0400 2005-07-05, Poster wrote:

  Howdy everyone. I'm looking for the directory to place my custom
  verify.txt file in so that Mailman will send it out for a particular
  list. I've read the FAQ and
  /var/lib/mailman/lists/name_of_list/en/verify.txt
  doesn't work. Is it then /usr/lib... ?

The standard Mailman location is 
/usr/local/mailman/lists/name_of_list/en/verify.txt.

If someone has taken Mailman and modified it for your platform, 
they may have chosen a different directory structure.  In that case, 
you should contact whatever group or person modified the Mailman 
installation for your platform.


One thing to consider is that these files are only read on 
startup.  You need to use bin/mailmanctl to stop and then restart the 
qrunner processes, in order to pick up changes in the template files.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman on Fedora Core 3 system

2005-07-05 Thread John Dennis
On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 12:37 -0400, Matt Singerman wrote:
 Hi Mark,
 
 Thanks for posting this - I didn't even know this filed existed!  I
 think I've located the problem - mailmanctl isn't running.  However,
 when I try to start it (with /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start),
 nothing happens.  I tried to su as user mailman to check the crontab
 and try and run it from there, but when I do, I get the following
 error:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# su - mailman
 This account is currently not available.
 
 The user definitely exists, but it has no login.  Any ideas here?

Sorry I didn't respond sooner, I've been on vacation and just returned
with the typical 3,000+ emails in my inbox after a week of absence :-(

The doc in /usr/share/doc/mailman-* is your friend, in particular the
file INSTALL.REDHAT. In there is information on starting the mailman
service.

FWIW, the install of the mailman RPM does not do the following for good
reasons.

* It does not start the service
* It does not add mailman to the list of services
* It does not create a mailman login account.

Why? Because it is common practice for people to just install a bunch of
RPM's because they want them available. The installation of an RPM is
independent of wanting to run the service (if the rpm is a system
service which mailman is). Red Hat policy is if you want to run a
service you must make a conscious decision to run the service, this has
a lot to do with security issues (the INSTALL.REDHAT doc will tell you
how to run the service).

When the rpm installs it creates a mailman user and group, this is
necessary for mailman to run. It is not necessary for a mailman login
account to exist to run mailman (it is sometimes a convenience). Along
the same lines as why we don't start a service when a package is
installed we don't create login accounts. This too is a security issue.
What password would be given to the account? It would have to be the
same for every installed mailman RPM on Red Hat systems, and this is a
security hole wide enough to drive a truck through :-) If you want a
mailman login account it's very easy using system-config-users to edit
the mailman user and give mailman a login account.

Finally, you do not want to be running mailmanctl directly. You do want
to use the interface established for controlling system services (e.g.
init scripts in /etc/init.d). The init script does important things you
won't want to bypass. This also makes the mailman service on Red Hat
consistent with every other system service, once again this is covered
in the doc.

Also, please note that as of mailman 2.1 cron is not necessary to run
basic mailman, as of 2.1 mailman is a service (e.g. daemon). Also, the
init.d script plays an integral role in managing cron usage for the
parts of mailman that still depend on cron.

HTH, if you still have problems feel free contact me.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Custom confirmation emails(verify.txt)

2005-07-05 Thread Poster

Brad Knowles said:
 At 4:44 PM -0400 2005-07-05, Poster wrote:

  Howdy everyone. I'm looking for the directory to place my custom
  verify.txt file in so that Mailman will send it out for a
 particular
  list. I've read the FAQ and
  /var/lib/mailman/lists/name_of_list/en/verify.txt
  doesn't work. Is it then /usr/lib... ?

   The standard Mailman location is
 /usr/local/mailman/lists/name_of_list/en/verify.txt.

Well assuming that the lists directory is preexisting, then I'm
putting it in the only lists directory I have, which is
/var/lib/mailman/lists/name of list/en/

and that doesn't work.

   One thing to consider is that these files are only read on
 startup.  You need to use bin/mailmanctl to stop and then restart the
 qrunner processes, in order to pick up changes in the template files.

I know. :) I restart mailman with mailmanctl after modifying the files
and there's no change.

~Poster

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[Mailman-Users] Changing Reply-To settings don't work or ignored.

2005-07-05 Thread Maclagan
System: RH7.3, mailman-2.0.13-1

Using the web based administrative interface, I'm trying to change 
where replies to list messages go (ie: set the Reply-To header).  
Want to change it from an explicit address to Poster.  

Deleting the Explicit Reply-To address and submitting the changes 
doesn't change anything (ie: the Reply-To address is still there).  
Changing the Explicit Reply-To address to something else changes 
the value on the config page, but has no effect.

Frustratingly, setting where replies to list messages are directed to 
Poster is completely ignored.

I've done some googling and found the first part of this was a known 
bug in Mailman 2.0beta5 but, supposedly, fixed before 2.0 release.

I think direct access to the config.db file for the list might be an 
answer, but it seems to be a binary file and I have no knowledge of 
what application creates/modifies it.  Thought about taking ot it with 
a hex editor, but decided that would probably cause more problems 
than it cured.

Any suggestions for a fix or a work around would be appreciated.
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