[Mailman-Users] mailman/gentoo/apache2, but going to web interface gives me 404 not found

2005-07-22 Thread michael
Hi,

I'm almost ashamed to ask this since it's probably the single most
common error when setting up mailman.

I have searched the archives but I haven't seen a case quite like mine;
namely, with gentoo. The reason I wonder if this plays a role is that
the gentoo install probably tried to do something, and perhaps got it
wrong.

Anyway, installation went smoothly following the gentoo+mailman howto 
(http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_install_Gnu_Mailman)

and I received the mail saying my default list mailman had been
created and how to access it. However, visiting any of the pages
mentioned there gave me a 404 - not found error.

Searching the archives did turn up a suggestion, that I add to my
apache2 config file a line:

   ScriptAlias /mailman /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin

now accessing any of my mailman URLs give:

   403 Forbidden: You don't have permission to access /mailman/admin/mailman on 
this server.

but bin/check_perms -f says everything is ok.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,
Michael
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending

2005-07-22 Thread bronto
Well, I *thought* I had it fixed, but not.  It worked for the domain 
that actually matches the machine name, but not for the virtual domain 
I just tested.  The list address is something like [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
and my mm-cfg.py is as follows:

##
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'amd64.csd-bes.net'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'amd64.csd-bes.net'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'amd64.csd-bes.net'
MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias'
POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = 
['amd64.csd-bes.net','mail.csd-bes.net','lists.csd-bes.net','sbypc.org','eagles81.org','ez-realty.net','maccounting.net','re-techtalk.com','hoopscout.com']
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('amd64.csd-bes.net', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
add_virtualhost('mail.csd-bes.net', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
add_virtualhost('lists.csd-bes.net', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
add_virtualhost('sbypc.org', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
add_virtualhost('eagles81.org', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
add_virtualhost('ez-realty.net', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
add_virtualhost('maccounting.net', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
add_virtualhost('re-techtalk.com', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
add_virtualhost('hoopscout.com', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
IMAGE_LOGOS = '/mailmanicons/'

The error message is the same as below.  Since the add virtualhost item 
above sets that to amd64.csd-bes.net, and amd64.csd-bes.net is the name 
of the machine in the dns settings, that should take care of it, right? 
  But it doesn't.

Rob Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Thanks, this put me on the right track.  My machine id did not match
 the settings in my config file after the server swap.

 Rob


 Quoting Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is no maillog activity indicating delivery attempts, and in
 viewing the mailman smtp-failure log I see lots of messages like this:

 Jul 21 15:46:54 2005 (1361) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 failed with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')

 See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.014.htp

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2005-07-22 Thread Cogley, Rick

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Re: [Mailman-Users] 2 different lists

2005-07-22 Thread Alexander Baldauf
Mark Sapiro wrote:

Alexander Baldauf wrote:

  

We have the problem that under our server mail/mailman/listinfo and 
under mail.dfki.de/mailman/listinfo, there are 2 different list of the 
mailinglists but it is the same server.



If I understand you correctly, Mailman thinks you are using virtual
hosts and lists are only shown on the page for the host that created
them. If you set

VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off

in mm_cfg.py, all public lists will appear on the overview listinfo and
admin pages regardless of host.

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Hi
yes that was the problem, the line VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW was deleted by 
someone, after adding it again, it works.
Thanks a lot
Alexander Baldauf
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman/gentoo/apache2, but going to web interface gives me 404 not found

2005-07-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

now accessing any of my mailman URLs give:

   403 Forbidden: You don't have permission to access /mailman/admin/mailman 
 on this server.

but bin/check_perms -f says everything is ok.

Check both your Mailman and Apache error logs. It doesn't seem that
you're even getting to the wrappers (/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/*),
but if you are, it could be a group mismatch error - see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.016.htp

Check the permissions on /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/. On my system, the
directory and all its files are owner:group = root:mailman and the
directory is rwxrwsr-x and the files are rwxr-sr-x. the setgid bits
and mailman group are critical. Granted, check_perms should check
this, but ??

It could also be a SELinux issue if that is applicable in your
environment.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending

2005-07-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Well, I *thought* I had it fixed, but not.  It worked for the domain 
that actually matches the machine name, but not for the virtual domain 
I just tested.  The list address is something like [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
and my mm-cfg.py is as follows:


See comments below, although virtual hosts shouldn't have anything to
do with this issue.

##
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'amd64.csd-bes.net'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'amd64.csd-bes.net'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'amd64.csd-bes.net'
MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias'
POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = 
['amd64.csd-bes.net','mail.csd-bes.net','lists.csd-bes.net','sbypc.org','eagles81.org','ez-realty.net','maccounting.net','re-techtalk.com','hoopscout.com']
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'

It is best to add

VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()

here to remove the entry from Defaults.py although this usually isn't
strictly necessary.

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('amd64.csd-bes.net', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')

The line above essentially duplicates the one above it and is redundant.


add_virtualhost('mail.csd-bes.net', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
add_virtualhost('lists.csd-bes.net', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
add_virtualhost('sbypc.org', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')

It seems from your reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED] that this should
probably be

add_virtualhost('sbypc.org', 'sbypc.org')

and maybe similarly for all the others.

add_virtualhost('eagles81.org', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
add_virtualhost('ez-realty.net', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
add_virtualhost('maccounting.net', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
add_virtualhost('re-techtalk.com', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
add_virtualhost('hoopscout.com', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')

Also, the Mailman.Archiver.Archiver.GetBaseArchiveURL() method inverts
the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary to get the URL host name corresponding to
a particular email host. This doesn't work well if there are entries
with duplicate email host values.


IMAGE_LOGOS = '/mailmanicons/'

The error message is the same as below.  Since the add virtualhost item 
above sets that to amd64.csd-bes.net, and amd64.csd-bes.net is the name 
of the machine in the dns settings, that should take care of it, right? 
  But it doesn't.

The VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary is not involved in this at all.

See http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-May/044742.html
for a Python script that does exactly what SMTPDirect does to send
mail.

Also see thread starting at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-June/045157.html

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[Mailman-Users] new list announcements coming from mailman-admin

2005-07-22 Thread Matt Emerson
On our system (Mac OS X Server, using the bundled Postfix and bundled
Mailman 2.1.4), when we create a new list with the newlist command,
the new list announcement that is sent to the list owner comes from
[EMAIL PROTECTED].  This address is also cited as the
address to which questions should be sent.

However, when a user sends mail to mailman-admin, the system thinks
it's a bounce.  Unrecognized bounces get forwarded to the list owners,
so we do see them, but this is obviously sub-optimal.

So, it seems that we have two options:

1. We could edit the aliases file. It currently reads as follows.

mailman: |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman
mailman-admin:   |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman
mailman-bounces: |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman
mailman-confirm: |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman
mailman-join:|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman
mailman-leave:   |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman
mailman-owner:   |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman
mailman-request: |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman
mailman-subscribe:   |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman
mailman-unsubscribe: |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman

If we made mailman-admin just be an alias for mailman, this could
possibly work, although I worry that this alteration would be undone
if someone ever ran genaliases.  (I also note that the admin and
bounces scripts in /usr/share/mailman/scripts are identical.)

2.  We could edit the newlist command, and where it says

siteadmin = Utils.get_site_email(mlist.host_name, 'admin')

we could make it read

siteadmin = Utils.get_site_email(mlist.host_name)

This is not very appealing---I'd rather not have to remember to make
this change when we update the Mailman software.

Is there something else that we are doing wrong?  Perhaps our site list
is somehow set up incorrectly?  I did read the FAQ and search the
archives a bit, but I'm sure it's possible that I missed a solution.

Any pointers or help would be appreciated.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] new list announcements coming from mailman-admin

2005-07-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Matt Emerson wrote:

On our system (Mac OS X Server, using the bundled Postfix and bundled
Mailman 2.1.4), when we create a new list with the newlist command,
the new list announcement that is sent to the list owner comes from
[EMAIL PROTECTED].  This address is also cited as the
address to which questions should be sent.


This is a bug in that bin/newlist was not updated to use listname-owner
instead of the deprecated listname-admin address.

The 2.1.6 version of bin/newlist fixes this.


However, when a user sends mail to mailman-admin, the system thinks
it's a bounce.  Unrecognized bounces get forwarded to the list owners,
so we do see them, but this is obviously sub-optimal.

So, it seems that we have two options:

1. We could edit the aliases file. It currently reads as follows.

mailman: |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman
mailman-admin:   |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman
mailman-bounces: |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman
mailman-confirm: |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman
mailman-join:|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman
mailman-leave:   |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman
mailman-owner:   |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman
mailman-request: |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman
mailman-subscribe:   |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman
mailman-unsubscribe: |/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman

If we made mailman-admin just be an alias for mailman, this could
possibly work, although I worry that this alteration would be undone
if someone ever ran genaliases.  (I also note that the admin and
bounces scripts in /usr/share/mailman/scripts are identical.)


The -admin address is deprecated and should be a synonym for -bounces.
This shouldn't be changed in aliases.


2.  We could edit the newlist command, and where it says

siteadmin = Utils.get_site_email(mlist.host_name, 'admin')

we could make it read

siteadmin = Utils.get_site_email(mlist.host_name)

This is not very appealing---I'd rather not have to remember to make
this change when we update the Mailman software.


This is effectively what is done in 2.1.6 newlist except -owner is used.


Is there something else that we are doing wrong?  Perhaps our site list
is somehow set up incorrectly?  I did read the FAQ and search the
archives a bit, but I'm sure it's possible that I missed a solution.


No, It's not you - it's newlist.


Any pointers or help would be appreciated.

Download the current newlist from
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/mailman/mailman/bin/newlist?rev=2.16.2.4

This fixes your issue and also adds a couple of options for better
specifying list domains. It should work with 2.1.4 and if you upgrade
to 2.1.6 in the future, nothing will change.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] extract emails from a list

2005-07-22 Thread James
Hi Trevor,

This scripts works wonderfuly! Thank you so much.




On 7/15/05, Trevor Cullingsworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi James,
 
 This script should do the trick.  It is what I use.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending - Solved(?)

2005-07-22 Thread bronto
Thanks for your corrections and tips.

I made the changes, and it still didn't work.  I read the thread you 
referenced, and verified that my permissions and users were correct.

I then went back to look at my dns and machine settings, and found that 
my host name had reverted back to the machine name, not the full name I 
changed to it to previously that fixed the problem.  So it wasn't 
that it was working for just one list and not others, it was that the 
fix that I previously made reverted before I tested other mailing 
lists.  When I changed it back again, all the files in the retry queue 
flushed and I got a bunch of messages delivered on serveral lists.

I'm running SuSE 9.2; maybe there's a process running somewhere that is 
doing this.  I know there are processes that keep permissions and other 
settings in sync.  If this reverts again, I think the logical solution 
would be to find where SuSE is deciding what hostname to use and change 
it, or to change mm-cfg to match the hostname that SuSE wants to use.

Rob


Quoting Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, I *thought* I had it fixed, but not.  It worked for the domain
 that actually matches the machine name, but not for the virtual domain
 I just tested.  The list address is something like [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 and my mm-cfg.py is as follows:


 See comments below, although virtual hosts shouldn't have anything to
 do with this issue.

 ##
 # Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
 DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
 DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'amd64.csd-bes.net'
 DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'amd64.csd-bes.net'
 DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'amd64.csd-bes.net'
 MTA = 'Postfix'
 POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias'
 POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap'
 POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS =
 ['amd64.csd-bes.net','mail.csd-bes.net','lists.csd-bes.net','sbypc.org','eagles81.org','ez-realty.net','maccounting.net','re-techtalk.com','hoopscout.com']
 DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
 SMTPHOST = 'localhost'

 It is best to add

 VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()

 here to remove the entry from Defaults.py although this usually isn't
 strictly necessary.

 add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
 add_virtualhost('amd64.csd-bes.net', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')

 The line above essentially duplicates the one above it and is redundant.


 add_virtualhost('mail.csd-bes.net', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
 add_virtualhost('lists.csd-bes.net', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
 add_virtualhost('sbypc.org', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')

 It seems from your reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED] that this should
 probably be

 add_virtualhost('sbypc.org', 'sbypc.org')

 and maybe similarly for all the others.

 add_virtualhost('eagles81.org', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
 add_virtualhost('ez-realty.net', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
 add_virtualhost('maccounting.net', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
 add_virtualhost('re-techtalk.com', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')
 add_virtualhost('hoopscout.com', 'amd64.csd-bes.net')

 Also, the Mailman.Archiver.Archiver.GetBaseArchiveURL() method inverts
 the VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary to get the URL host name corresponding to
 a particular email host. This doesn't work well if there are entries
 with duplicate email host values.


 IMAGE_LOGOS = '/mailmanicons/'

 The error message is the same as below.  Since the add virtualhost item
 above sets that to amd64.csd-bes.net, and amd64.csd-bes.net is the name
 of the machine in the dns settings, that should take care of it, right?
  But it doesn't.

 The VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary is not involved in this at all.

 See http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-May/044742.html
 for a Python script that does exactly what SMTPDirect does to send
 mail.

 Also see thread starting at
 http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-June/045157.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending - Solved(?)

2005-07-22 Thread John Dennis
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 11:27 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks for your corrections and tips.
 
 I made the changes, and it still didn't work.  I read the thread you 
 referenced, and verified that my permissions and users were correct.
 
 I then went back to look at my dns and machine settings, and found that 
 my host name had reverted back to the machine name, not the full name I 
 changed to it to previously that fixed the problem.  So it wasn't 
 that it was working for just one list and not others, it was that the 
 fix that I previously made reverted before I tested other mailing 
 lists.  When I changed it back again, all the files in the retry queue 
 flushed and I got a bunch of messages delivered on serveral lists.
 
 I'm running SuSE 9.2; maybe there's a process running somewhere that is 
 doing this.  I know there are processes that keep permissions and other 
 settings in sync.  If this reverts again, I think the logical solution 
 would be to find where SuSE is deciding what hostname to use and change 
 it, or to change mm-cfg to match the hostname that SuSE wants to use.

I can't speak for SuSE nor do I know how you changed your hostname, but
I can tell you this, if you used the plain hostname command that change
will not persist across reboots. See the hostname man page on your
system for how to make a permanent change. Also, if your machine is
being assigned a permanent IP address via a local DHCP server you will
likely have to make that change in the DHCP configuration. 

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[Mailman-Users] Footer Personalization

2005-07-22 Thread Cogley, Rick
Hi All -

In the Mailman FAQ it mentions being able to personalize the footers if some
settings for VERP are made in mm_cfg.py, but does not go into much detail
about how to do the required changes. 

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Q. Can I put the user's address in the footer that Mailman adds to each
message? 
A. Yes, in Mailman 2.1. The site admin needs to enable personalization by
setting the following variables in the mm_cfg.py file: 

VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1 VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1 

Once this is done, list admins can enable personalization for regular
delivery members (digest deliveries can't be personalized currently). A
personalized list can include the user's address in the footer. 
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I would like to add the original sender's email address to the footer
section, copying that section from Defaults.py to mm_cfg.py, and then adding
some string (conceptually). What string do I need to add to get the sender?

Any advice warmly welcomed!

Thanks
Rick Cogley
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending - Solved(?)

2005-07-22 Thread bronto
Quoting John Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 11:27 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks for your corrections and tips.

 I made the changes, and it still didn't work.  I read the thread you
 referenced, and verified that my permissions and users were correct.

 I then went back to look at my dns and machine settings, and found that
 my host name had reverted back to the machine name, not the full name I
 changed to it to previously that fixed the problem.  So it wasn't
 that it was working for just one list and not others, it was that the
 fix that I previously made reverted before I tested other mailing
 lists.  When I changed it back again, all the files in the retry queue
 flushed and I got a bunch of messages delivered on serveral lists.

 I'm running SuSE 9.2; maybe there's a process running somewhere that is
 doing this.  I know there are processes that keep permissions and other
 settings in sync.  If this reverts again, I think the logical solution
 would be to find where SuSE is deciding what hostname to use and change
 it, or to change mm-cfg to match the hostname that SuSE wants to use.

 I can't speak for SuSE nor do I know how you changed your hostname, but
 I can tell you this, if you used the plain hostname command that change
 will not persist across reboots. See the hostname man page on your
 system for how to make a permanent change. Also, if your machine is
 being assigned a permanent IP address via a local DHCP server you will
 likely have to make that change in the DHCP configuration.

Thanks, the server has not rebooted, and the IP address is fixed.

Rob




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[Mailman-Users] Mailman / Postfix Question on Tiger Server

2005-07-22 Thread David Scribner
I am in the process of changing over my mailing list from LetterRip 
Pro to Mailman , which is running on my Tiger Server (10.4.2).  All 
of the list addresses are actually received by my EIMS server which 
then forwards mail for that list to the correct server - either LRP 
or Mailman.  All of that works just fine.

I have the Letter Rip Pro server to only accept mail on the SMTP 
Submit Port of 587.  By doing that i have stopped any spam getting to 
that server directly as all mail for that server goes through the 
EIMS box which has filtering on it. My questions is how do I set 
Postfix on the OSX box to only receive on the SMTP Submit Port of 
587?  And then if I do that how do I set Mailman to send to that port 
rather than the default SMTP port?

Thanks
David Scribner
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Personalization

2005-07-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
Cogley, Rick wrote:

In the Mailman FAQ it mentions being able to personalize the footers if some
settings for VERP are made in mm_cfg.py, but does not go into much detail
about how to do the required changes. 

--
Q. Can I put the user's address in the footer that Mailman adds to each
message? 
A. Yes, in Mailman 2.1. The site admin needs to enable personalization by
setting the following variables in the mm_cfg.py file: 

VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1 VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1 

Once this is done, list admins can enable personalization for regular
delivery members (digest deliveries can't be personalized currently). A
personalized list can include the user's address in the footer. 
--


Where in the FAQ did you find the above? I don't see it, and more
importantly, it is not correct.

The relevant FAQ article is 3.15 at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.015.htp


I would like to add the original sender's email address to the footer
section, copying that section from Defaults.py to mm_cfg.py, and then adding
some string (conceptually). What string do I need to add to get the sender?


Once you have set OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION per the above FAQ
3.15, the personalize help on the Non-digest options page will tell
you what additional substitutions are available in list headers and
footers.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Postfix Question on Tiger Server

2005-07-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
David Scribner wrote:

My questions is how do I set 
Postfix on the OSX box to only receive on the SMTP Submit Port of 
587?  And then if I do that how do I set Mailman to send to that port 
rather than the default SMTP port?

I don't offhand know the Postfix incantations to tell it on which
port(s) to listen, but on the Mailman sending side the relevant
mm_cfg.py variables are SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT - read the descriptions
in Defaults.py.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman / Postfix Question on Tiger Server

2005-07-22 Thread John Dennis
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 16:56 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 David Scribner wrote:
 
 My questions is how do I set 
 Postfix on the OSX box to only receive on the SMTP Submit Port of 
 587?  And then if I do that how do I set Mailman to send to that port 
 rather than the default SMTP port?
 
 I don't offhand know the Postfix incantations to tell it on which
 port(s) to listen, but on the Mailman sending side the relevant
 mm_cfg.py variables are SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT - read the descriptions
 in Defaults.py.

Perhaps this will be of help:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2004122809382235

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[Mailman-Users] Help

2005-07-22 Thread LinK
I would like to know how to get started ... I searched
FAQ and tried to get a grasp at list.org but here I am
...  I don't get the Python thing ... I understand it
is a programming language but certainly I don't have
to learn Python to install Mailman, right?  And then
when I go to download SNU Mailman version 2.1.6 there
are three downloads: Mailman 2.1.6 (show only this
release) Download mailman 2.1.6.tgz and Download
mailman 2.1.6.tgz.asc !! So, what should I download
... and then what do I do? 
You're help will be greatly appreciated and as you
see, I need a good deal of getting started help ... I
am able to follow directions but I don't see anything
that really spells it out clearly for me.

Do I upload this to my cgi bin ... am I hopeless :)
Thanks, Linda




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help

2005-07-22 Thread Mark Sapiro
LinK wrote:

I would like to know how to get started ... I searched
FAQ and tried to get a grasp at list.org but here I am
...  I don't get the Python thing ... I understand it
is a programming language but certainly I don't have
to learn Python to install Mailman, right?  And then
when I go to download SNU Mailman version 2.1.6 there
are three downloads: Mailman 2.1.6 (show only this
release)

This is the release notes.


Download mailman 2.1.6.tgz

This is the actual source distribution.

and Download
mailman 2.1.6.tgz.asc !!

This is checksums to verify the integrity of mailman-2.1.6.tgz

So, what should I download
... and then what do I do? 

Download mailman-2.1.6.tgz and use gunzip to unzip it and tar to unpack
the result.

See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/index.html

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