Re: [Mailman-Users] thousands of lists
At 12:55 AM -0400 2005-07-28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I can't address your question directly, I can say that this isn't an issue. Just use ReiserFS or set your ext2/3 filesystems to use dir_index. Either one will give you hashed directory lookups and resolve this performance issue. Not everyone in the world uses Linux. In general, I know that sourceforge.net uses Mailman for their lists. The product gloss on the Realtime stats page claims 75,000+ projects. Not sure how they manage them though. I've spoken to the SourceForge maintainers. They haven't given me a lot of detail, but I understand that they're planning on switching to something else. There's a lot of stuff about the way they work that don't mesh well with the way Mailman does things. We might be able to correct some of those problems with Mailman3, but that may or may not arrive in time for them. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] thousands of lists
At 3:07 PM +1000 2005-07-28, Iain Pople wrote: We are using Solaris UFS. If switching filesystems is an option, you might want to take a look at Veritas VxFS. It's a commercial replacement that should be more than enough for your needs. I've had experience with SGI XFS (on real SGI hardware), and other journaling filesystems, as well as other extent-based directory-hashing filesystems, and VxFS beats everything else I've seen -- hands-down. If VxFS isn't an option, keep an eye on ZFS for Solaris 10. I've heard some really good things about it. Otherwise, you may be forced to have multiple Mailman installations, each covering a subset of your 15,000 lists. Or, you may need to come up with a hack to implement a hashed directory scheme. There is an old patch at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=403064group_id=103atid=300103 which sounds related according to the description, but the comment from Barry indicates that something similar has already been applied to the code, which is why this patch was closed. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
I am currently running a test list on Mailman (2.1.5) on OSX Tiger (10.4.2) and seem to have some problems with the sending of Digests. I have the list set that it will bunch traffic in Digests. And I have the option Should a digest be dispatched daily when the size threshold isn't reached? set to YES. But it is not sending out a Daily Digest although there are posts in the queue. It only seems to be sending out a digest when the Threshold is reached. What can I do to make Mailman send out the Digest Daily even if there are only a couple of posts for that Digest? I have even tried to toggle the Daily Sending option to NO and then back to YES but that doesn't seem to work to force a Daily Digest. Also, I don't see anything where I can set the time that a Daily Digest is sent out. On my current LetterRipPro list server I have the Digests for the lists that have a digest option to send for each list at a different time, actually about a half an hour apart just to lessen the amount of out-going traffic when the Digests get sent. Is it possible to do that same with Mailman? Thank you for your help David Scribner BI Consulting Little Rock, AR -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 07:03 -0500, David Scribner wrote: I am currently running a test list on Mailman (2.1.5) on OSX Tiger (10.4.2) and seem to have some problems with the sending of Digests. I have the list set that it will bunch traffic in Digests. And I have the option Should a digest be dispatched daily when the size threshold isn't reached? set to YES. But it is not sending out a Daily Digest although there are posts in the queue. It only seems to be sending out a digest when the Threshold is reached. What can I do to make Mailman send out the Digest Daily even if there are only a couple of posts for that Digest? I have even tried to toggle the Daily Sending option to NO and then back to YES but that doesn't seem to work to force a Daily Digest. Also, I don't see anything where I can set the time that a Daily Digest is sent out. On my current LetterRipPro list server I have the Digests for the lists that have a digest option to send for each list at a different time, actually about a half an hour apart just to lessen the amount of out-going traffic when the Digests get sent. Is it possible to do that same with Mailman? The timed delivery of digests is implemented via a cron job that runs the mailman/cron/senddigests script. If your digests are not being sent the first thing to check is if the cron jobs are enabled. You can set the time this cron job runs so you can control when they are sent out. -- John Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
On 7/28/05 7:03 AM, David Scribner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am currently running a test list on Mailman (2.1.5) on OSX Tiger (10.4.2) and seem to have some problems with the sending of Digests. I have the list set that it will bunch traffic in Digests. And I have the option Should a digest be dispatched daily when the size threshold isn't reached? set to YES. But it is not sending out a Daily Digest although there are posts in the queue. Digest sending is done by cron. Do you have the cron piece of Mailman set up? -- Larry Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stonejongleux.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
At 7:03 AM -0500 2005-07-28, David Scribner wrote: Also, I don't see anything where I can set the time that a Daily Digest is sent out. It's a cron job. Did you enable all the cron jobs like you were supposed to? On my current LetterRipPro list server I have the Digests for the lists that have a digest option to send for each list at a different time, actually about a half an hour apart just to lessen the amount of out-going traffic when the Digests get sent. Is it possible to do that same with Mailman? Nope. Except for digests that are sent when the size threshold is reached, all digests are sent at the same time -- when the senddigests cron job is run for that day. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
On Jul 28, 2005, at 21:03, David Scribner wrote: Also, I don't see anything where I can set the time that a Daily Digest is sent out. On my current LetterRipPro list server I have the Digests for the lists that have a digest option to send for each list at a different time, actually about a half an hour apart just to lessen the amount of out-going traffic when the Digests get sent. Is it possible to do that same with Mailman? Yes, by configuring the cron job that sends out the digests. The typical mailman installation uses a single cron task that invokes senddigests with no arguments, which causes it to generate periodic digests for *all* of the lists that have them enabled. To stagger the digest generation, cause senddigests to be invoked with the -l (-- listname) switch to specify individual lists: 0 7 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/ senddigests -l list1 30 7 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/ senddigests -l list2 0 8 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/ senddigests -l list3 ... for each list with periodic digests. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/ Mailman IRC irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions/ OS X
On Jul 28, 2005, at 7:19 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: Nope. Except for digests that are sent when the size threshold is reached, all digests are sent at the same time -- when the senddigests cron job is run for that day. Although wouldn't it be easy enough to do with a little massaging of the mailman crontab, creating a different job for each list? Usage: /usr/share/mailman/cron/senddigests [options] Options: -l listname --listname=listname Send the digest for the given list only, otherwise the digests for all lists are sent out. Dan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] arch and html files
Dan Phillips wrote: On Jul 28, 2005, at 7:53 AM, Jean-Philippe GIOLA wrote: Hi all I know it is possible to re-create archives' html files for a list using /bin/arch listname path_to_listname.mbox But my problem is that i want to re-create those html files only for the last mail of listname.mbox Is it possible ?? Look at the options for bin/arch: -s N --start=N Start indexing at article N, where article 0 is the first in the mbox. Defaults to 0. yes but using this option, you must know how many mails there are in the mbox file. and I don't know that number... Is it possible to know it ? -e M --end=M End indexing at article M. This script is not very efficient with respect to memory management, and for large archives, it may not be possible to index the mbox entirely. For that reason, you can specify the start and end article number Dan -- Cordialement, Jean-Philippe Giola - 6577 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions/ OS X
At 8:30 AM -0500 2005-07-28, Dan Phillips wrote: Although wouldn't it be easy enough to do with a little massaging of the mailman crontab, creating a different job for each list? Yup, as Jim Tittsler just pointed out. Thanks for the correction! -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
Brad Knowles wrote: At 7:03 AM -0500 2005-07-28, David Scribner wrote: On my current LetterRipPro list server I have the Digests for the lists that have a digest option to send for each list at a different time, actually about a half an hour apart just to lessen the amount of out-going traffic when the Digests get sent. Is it possible to do that same with Mailman? Nope. Except for digests that are sent when the size threshold is reached, all digests are sent at the same time -- when the senddigests cron job is run for that day. The default crontab runs 'senddigests' daily at noon. 'sendigests' sends a digest for all lists that have accumulated any posts. There is a '-l listname' option to send the digest if any for only the listname list. Thus, you could set up multiple crontab entries to run 'senddigests -l list1', 'senddigests -l list2', etc. at different times, but this would be quite a maintenance headache. Alternatively, instead of having cron run senddigests, you could have cron run a script of some kind every half hour or whatever and the script could read a file of listnames and times and run 'senddigests -l listname' for those lists that had times within that half hour. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] arch and html files
Jean-Philippe GIOLA wrote:
Dan Phillips wrote:
On Jul 28, 2005, at 7:53 AM, Jean-Philippe GIOLA wrote:
Hi all
I know it is possible to re-create archives' html files for a list
using
/bin/arch listname path_to_listname.mbox
But my problem is that i want to re-create those html files only for
the
last mail of listname.mbox
Is it possible ??
Look at the options for bin/arch:
-s N
--start=N
Start indexing at article N, where article 0 is the first in
the mbox.
Defaults to 0.
yes but using this option, you must know how many mails there are in the
mbox file.
and I don't know that number...
Is it possible to know it ?
grep ^From\ path_to_listname.mbox | wc | awk '{print $3-1}' -
I'm assuming you want to use bin/arch to add a message to the archive
and that's why you're not using --wipe in your examples.
bin/arch can read any mbox format file. Thus you could use 'sed' for
example to extract the last message from the mbox and write it to 'x'
and then do 'bin/arch listname x'
From your previous posts about archiving, I assume you are trying to do
this to maintain pipermail archives in addition to using an external
archiver. In that case, it's even easier. Have your external archiver
write the current post to 'x' (you may have to add the initial From_
line) and then do 'bin/arch listname x'.
Alternatively, you could just use Mailman's pipermail archiving only
and build your external achiver to receive its input via an e-mail
address which you subscribe to the list.
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San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Low level bug: (solved)
Forrest Aldrich wrote: The problem was an obscure typo in mm_cfg.py. Missing single quotes, basically. It's obscure because it wasn't very obvious... and I looked over everything with a fine-toothed comb, including our proxy and httpd setup! It seems to me that Mailman could probably provide better debugging output in this scenario. I don't know Python, but at the point where the mm_cfg.py file is parsed, any syntactical errors could be reported then. ? The real issue here seems to be that the import from mm_cfg done in the driver script is inadequately protected. The driver script print_traceback definition contains try: from Mailman.mm_cfg import VERSION except ImportError: VERSION = 'lt;undeterminedgt;' This is fine if there is an ImportError exception, but since mm_cfg.py is edited by users, it is possible (likely) that there will be a SyntaxError error exception here, and something more meaningful than the Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you. message could be reported. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Help with web-based confirmation
Hello... I'm new to the mailman users list. I was a remote admin for a listproc-based mailing list for many years and upgrading to mailman a couple of years ago. A recent upgrade by our ISP pushed me to mailman v2.0.13, and certain features appear to have been lost/hidden in this migration. I was hoping this group could provide some insight. The biggest issue is that subscription confirmation via email doesn't appear to work at all. I'm not sure if mailman is having trouble with HTML or MIME in the replies, or the appended 's in the reply cause problems... but it isn't working for the majority of my users. In the past there was a very reliable web-based confirmation. I know this still exists because I used it to confirm my subscription to THIS list, but on my confirmation emails it is missing, and I can't find an option to turn it on via the admin interface. I am a remote admin, and the mailman installation is outside of my control. I can work with my ISP to make changes... but they are not mailman savvy so it is a painful process. I'm hoping I'm just missing an easy fix via the admin web interface. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks, -Russ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Single List not Working
I have a single list among 10 others running on Mailman 2.1.5 under SuSE 9.2 with Postfix MTA. All the lists are working but one list. Monitoring /var/log/mail I see the message come in and get handed off to mailman for every list, including problemlist. Monitoring ~mailman/logs/* I see the message post for all lists except problemlist. I have verified I can even send a message to the owner of problemlist. In reviewing the FAQ (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.014.htp) I have verified that everything there is accurate. Obviously, if it works for every other list, things should be okay. Since I can send a message to the owner of the list, it seems to only be a problem with the post script for that particular list. Has something become frozen? There are no lock files, no qfiles. When I send a message to problemlist, not a single entry is made in any of the log files. But when I send to any other list, one immediately shows up in post. Now, postfix config got mucked up a few days ago and there were many rejections by the local mail host for problemlist. My guess is some setting somewhere got flagged telling the list to stop trying, but I can't tell what or where, especially since bounce processing was turned off for this list. Thank you. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Virtual Mailman
Hi @all!
I have progress!!! :) After hours of test, follow:
Vince Van De Coevering escreveu:
The following is from the gentoo guide
Code Listing 12.3: Setting defaults: Mailman/Defaults.py
(Change the values below to reflect your primary domain, virtuals will be
set next.)
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'domain.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.domain.com'
Here, I put my virtual domain sagarana.com
Code Listing 12.4: mailman config: mm_cfg.py
MTA = Postfix
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['virt-domain.com', 'virt.domain2.com']
add_virtualhost('www.virt.domain.com', 'virt.domain.com')
add_virtualhost('www.virt.domain2.com', 'virt.domain2.com')
(This is required for your virtual domains for mailman to function.)
**end paste**
Here, I put my only domain virtual _too_ (sagarana.com)
My guess is that you need to define your virtual domains in the mm_cfg.py
file, create your mailing lists, and then restart mailman and reload postfix
(which forces it to read the hash file mailman creates). Remember, you'll
need to reload postfix every time you finish creating/changing mail lists.
In virtual-mailman I put virtual-alias.sagarana.com anything and when
I run malman/ postfix he put information correctly in this file
Now, postfix can see my [EMAIL PROTECTED] and another, without
say User unknow!!
Now, I have the problem listed in FAQ called Group mismatch error but
I don't try fix-it today, but tomorrow I'll try fix this permissions.
(but if somebody will be able to give to a tip I to me would go to like
sufficiently :)
Thanks a lot!
Brazilian Regards
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[Mailman-Users] Follow-up - Duplicate Messages Sent - Follow-up
Hi Y'all -- First, thanks so much to Mark Sapiro for answering a number of questions. Why the duplicate messages? I'm still not really sure. But I had debug on in a couple of sendmail config files - etc/resolv.conf and etc/qpopper.conf. Python didn't like that I guess and as Mark suggested, Mailman's qfiles/retry queued the messages for retry. I removed debug references and restarted sendmail. Then deinstalled and reinstalled Mailman. It appears to work fine now; I'll sleep a lot better if it still looks fine by happy hour tomorrow. Another unrelated thing that drove me crazy was that every time I added a list from the command line, or made any change at all from the command line, I had to re-run bin/check_perms and chown mailman:mailman mailman. That's because on my set-up (freeeBSD), the user mailman has no log-in (as per 2.1 in the Installation manual), and so I set the whole thing up as the root user. When re-installing, remove any lists first, run make deinstall from ports/mail/mailman (freeBSD) (and NOT rm mailman dir) THEN run make and make install. No shortcuts and follow the installation manual. e-x-a-c-t-l-y. Dan You can lead a horse to water, but if you get it to lie on its back and float, THEN you got something. - Original Message - From: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Messages Sent Dan Collins wrote: The second message I sent to the mailman list had attachments for testing scrub; over 50 mb no doubt. That subsequent e-mail has never arrived, but a Mailman message informing me that there is an administrative task arrived. I went to the web admin and discarded the message, but the administrative warning message continues to arrive every 5 minutes, just like freakin clockwork. Could there be two identical cron entries causing this or what? The only cron that should run every 5 minutes is gate_news. Do you have anything set up in Mail-News gateways? The cron that sends the nn LISTNAME moderator request(s) waiting message is checkdbs which normally runs once daily at 8:00 a.m. In usr/local/mailman/locks, mailmanctl starts master-qrunner AND master-qrunner.bigt dot com dot 17567 (or some other number) Is that correct? In usr/local/mailman/data, I have one master-qrunner.pid. This is correct. One file data/master-qrunner.pid containing the pid and two files locks/master-qrunner and locks/master-qrunner.your.host.name.pid both containing the same thing as the name of the second file with a full path. Logs -- Mailman logs have 137KB of locks entries of the type Jul 27 20:31:00 2005 (9701) mailman.lock unlocked This refers to a lock for the 'mailman' list mailman/logs post read Jul 27 18:54:14 2005 (17583) post to mailman from [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1783, message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 1 failures This looks like a mailman generated message. Why is it posted to the 'mailman' list? Is the'mailman' list an owner or moderator of another list or itself? That could probably cause loops. qrunner logs say Jul 27 20:26:55 2005 (17567) Master watcher caught SIGTERM. Exiting. Jul 27 20:26:55 2005 (17567) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 17582, sig: None, sts: 15, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) Jul 27 20:26:55 2005 (17567) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 17581, sig: None, sts: 15, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) Jul 27 20:26:55 2005 (17567) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 17579, sig: None, sts: 15, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) Jul 27 20:26:55 2005 (17567) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 17578, sig: None, sts: 15, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) Jul 27 20:26:55 2005 (17567) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 17580, sig: None, sts: 15, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) Jul 27 20:26:55 2005 (17567) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 17584, sig: None, sts: 15, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) Jul 27 20:26:55 2005 (17567) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 17583, sig: None, sts: 15, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) Jul 27 20:26:55 2005 (17585) RetryRunner qrunner exiting. Jul 27 20:26:55 2005 (17567) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 17585, sig: None, sts: 15, class: RetryRunner, slice: 1/1) Looks like a 'mailmanctl stop' or maybe a kill of the master qrunner. partial mailman/logs smtp say Jul 27 20:10:10 2005 (17583) [EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 3.799 seconds Jul 27 20:25:06 2005 (17583) [EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 1.167 seconds Jul 27 20:25:07 2005 (17583) [EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp to mailman for 2 recips, completed in 0.408 seconds Jul 27 20:25:24 2005 (17583) [EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp to mailman for 1 recips, completed in 6.489 seconds partial smtp-failure logs say Jul 27 20:25:06 2005 (17583) SMTP session
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Virtual Mailman
Tiago Cruz escreveu: Now, I have the problem listed in FAQ called Group mismatch error but I don't try fix-it today, but tomorrow I'll try fix this permissions. Now, the mailman works beautiful!!! Wonderfoul!!! For Postfix, follow: cd /us/ports/mail/mailman make deinstall vi Makefile Set: MAIL_GID?= mailman make install Thanks a lot!!! :D -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 16:28 -0500, roy vinner wrote: Greetings! I have a problem that any address which is supposed to be resolved with the path-to-mailman/data/aliases produces a message undeliverable error. I've also discovered that if I run an alias expansion from the command line aliases: .. # STANZA START: try # CREATED: Mon Jul 25 17:19:03 2005 try: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post try try-admin: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin try try-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces try try-confirm: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm try try-join:|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join try try-leave: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave try try-owner: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner try try-request: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try try-subscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe try try-unsubscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe try # STANZA END: try .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman-2.1.6]$ /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid. I have re-run mailman's configure as requested by the above message and group mailman does exist on my machine. I am clueless as to what is awry here with postfix aliases? Is this a postfix or mailman problem? Let me know if you need any more information for logs or config files. There are two immediate things to check: 1) I know you said it, but please verify the mailman uid and gid: # id mailman 2) Postfix has a feature which is it will run the commands found in an alias file under the identity of the alias file. What is the owner/group of the alias file: # ls -l path-to-mailman/data/aliases if its group does not match what the mailman wrapper is configured for you'll get group mismatch problems because postfix will attempt to run the mailman alias commands under the group belonging to the alias file, not to the mail_owner in postfix's main.cf file. I think I recall a config variable to turn the postfix behavior off, but you should not do that because mailman should be creating the alias file and hence it should match the uid/gid, but if you hand created it, then all bets are off. -- John Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Virtual Mailman
Better yet, add the following to the MAKE_ARGS section of /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf : 'mail/mailman' = 'MAIL_GID=mailman', This will also save you each time you run portupgrade. --On Thursday, July 28, 2005 6:28 PM -0300 Tiago Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tiago Cruz escreveu: Now, I have the problem listed in FAQ called Group mismatch error but I don't try fix-it today, but tomorrow I'll try fix this permissions. Now, the mailman works beautiful!!! Wonderfoul!!! For Postfix, follow: cd /us/ports/mail/mailman make deinstall vi Makefile Set: MAIL_GID?= mailman make install Thanks a lot!!! :D -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?
roy vinner schrieb: Greetings! Hello, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman-2.1.6]$ /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid. This message says it all. Why not adding group mailman to your system? Be sure gid is set to the gid of your mailman installation. Thank you for your suggestions. HTH, Thankfully, Roy Best regards Jan -- OpenPGP Public-Key Fingerprint: 0E9B 4052 C661 5018 93C3 4E46 651A 7A28 4028 FF7A pgpVYD5J9DX24.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?
Hi John, I appreciate your quick response! John Dennis wrote: On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 16:28 -0500, roy vinner wrote: Greetings! I have a problem that any address which is supposed to be resolved with the path-to-mailman/data/aliases produces a message undeliverable error. I've also discovered that if I run an alias expansion from the command line aliases: .. # STANZA START: try # CREATED: Mon Jul 25 17:19:03 2005 try: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post try try-admin: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin try try-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces try try-confirm: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm try try-join:|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join try try-leave: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave try try-owner: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner try try-request: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try try-subscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe try try-unsubscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe try # STANZA END: try .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman-2.1.6]$ /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid. I have re-run mailman's configure as requested by the above message and group mailman does exist on my machine. I am clueless as to what is awry here with postfix aliases? Is this a postfix or mailman problem? Let me know if you need any more information for logs or config files. There are two immediate things to check: 1) I know you said it, but please verify the mailman uid and gid: # id mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]$ id mailman uid=505(mailman) gid=407(mailman) groups=407(mailman),73(apache),503(nrgweb),504(roy),422(www) 2) Postfix has a feature which is it will run the commands found in an alias file under the identity of the alias file. What is the owner/group of the alias file: # ls -l path-to-mailman/data/aliases [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]$ ls -l data/aliases -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 2682 Jul 28 11:35 data/aliases if its group does not match what the mailman wrapper is configured for you'll get group mismatch problems because postfix will attempt to run the mailman alias commands under the group belonging to the alias file, not to the mail_owner in postfix's main.cf file. I think I recall a config variable to turn the postfix behavior off, but you should not do that because mailman should be creating the alias file and hence it should match the uid/gid, but if you hand created it, then all bets are off. I re-configured mailman with all defaults (I created a group www with [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]$ id www uid=506(www) gid=422(www) groups=422(www),503(nrgweb),504(roy),407(mailman) Does this information help you? I am still clueless... Roy -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?
Hi Jan, Jan Kohnert wrote: ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman-2.1.6]$ /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid. This message says it all. Why not adding group mailman to your system? Be sure gid is set to the gid of your mailman installation. Well, I had added the group mailman before configuring mailman, as per installation instructions. It is there, and I can see it with a gui interface (I run Mandrake 10.1). But, for some reason, mailman cannot find it. If you have any leads as to why, I'll provide with any necessary information. Thank you for your time and help! Roy Thank you for your suggestions. HTH, Thankfully, Roy Best regards Jan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/roypivn%40indiana.edu Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?
roy vinner wrote: I've also discovered that if I run an alias expansion from the command line aliases: .. # STANZA START: try # CREATED: Mon Jul 25 17:19:03 2005 try: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post try try-admin: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin try try-bounces: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces try try-confirm: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm try try-join:|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join try try-leave: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave try try-owner: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner try try-request: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try try-subscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe try try-unsubscribe: |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe try # STANZA END: try .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman-2.1.6]$ /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid. Running this from the command line is not necessarily a valid test. The wrapper (/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman) exects to be run by the MTA with the group that was configured by ./configure. This is almost always not the 'mailman' group. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.016.htp -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?
Mark Sapiro wrote: ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman-2.1.6]$ /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request try Failure to find group name mailman. Try adding this group to your system, or re-run configure, providing an existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid. Running this from the command line is not necessarily a valid test. The wrapper (/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman) exects to be run by the MTA with the group that was configured by ./configure. This is almost always not the 'mailman' group. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.016.htp I see. So, would setting -mail-gid=postfix instead of mailman be a reasonable solution to the problem? Does this setting change whether or not postfix runs chrooted or not? Roy -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Single List not Working
Shane Harsch wrote: I have a single list among 10 others running on Mailman 2.1.5 under SuSE 9.2 with Postfix MTA. All the lists are working but one list. Monitoring /var/log/mail I see the message come in and get handed off to mailman for every list, including problemlist. By handed off, do you mean you've seen that the message is actually piped to the wrapper with a command like |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post problemlist Monitoring ~mailman/logs/* I see the message post for all lists except problemlist. and you see nothing relevant in 'error' or 'smtp-failure' I have verified I can even send a message to the owner of problemlist. In reviewing the FAQ (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.014.htp) I have verified that everything there is accurate. Obviously, if it works for every other list, things should be okay. Assuming the aliases are OK for problemlist. Since I can send a message to the owner of the list, it seems to only be a problem with the post script for that particular list. Has something become frozen? There are no lock files, no qfiles. not even in qfiles/retry/ ? When I send a message to problemlist, not a single entry is made in any of the log files. But when I send to any other list, one immediately shows up in post. Now, postfix config got mucked up a few days ago and there were many rejections by the local mail host for problemlist. My guess is some setting somewhere got flagged telling the list to stop trying, but I can't tell what or where, especially since bounce processing was turned off for this list. No such setting exists within Mailman. Sometimes a list will stop if there is something bad in the retry queue or the digest mbox file. There are some posts touching on this in the mailman-users list archives. Are you certain postfix is correctly handing the message to the Mailman wrapper? Is lists/problemlist/config.pck OK? Can you dump it with bin/config-list -o? Can you access the list in the web interface? If there's a digest mbox file in lists/problemlist try moving it aside. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?
roy vinner Mark Sapiro wrote: Running this from the command line is not necessarily a valid test. The wrapper (/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman) exects to be run by the MTA with the group that was configured by ./configure. This is almost always not the 'mailman' group. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.016.htp I see. So, would setting -mail-gid=postfix instead of mailman be a reasonable solution to the problem? Does this setting change whether or not postfix runs chrooted or not? It would be a solution IF postfix executes the pipe to the wrapper as group 'postfix'. As far as I know, this group can be configured in postfix, but I don't know the exact method. I also don't know how this is affected by running postfix chrooted. The thing that must be true is that whatever group postfix uses to execute the pipe to the wrapper must be the same as the --with-mail-gid= setting given to configure. The same is true of the group that the web server uses to execute the cgi-bin wrappers and the --with-cgi-gid= given to configure. See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node7.html -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?
On 7/28/05 4:13 PM, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this setting change whether or not postfix runs chrooted or not? Well, the option probably doesn't change, but the locations of lots of things do change. For starters, if chrooted, Postfix couldn't find the wrapped CGI unless it were at the proper path inside the jail. Same may/should be true for what the CGI tries to reference, and so on. I'll leave the rest for someone who knows what he or she is talking about. --John -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?
Mark Sapiro wrote: roy vinner Mark Sapiro wrote: Running this from the command line is not necessarily a valid test. The wrapper (/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman) exects to be run by the MTA with the group that was configured by ./configure. This is almost always not the 'mailman' group. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.016.htp I see. So, would setting -mail-gid=postfix instead of mailman be a reasonable solution to the problem? Does this setting change whether or not postfix runs chrooted or not? It would be a solution IF postfix executes the pipe to the wrapper as group 'postfix'. As far as I know, this group can be configured in postfix, but I don't know the exact method. I also don't know how this is affected by running postfix chrooted. Okay, let's leave postfix alone :-) The thing that must be true is that whatever group postfix uses to execute the pipe to the wrapper must be the same as the --with-mail-gid= setting given to configure. I originally compiled it with -mail-gid=mailmal (the first value in the default list). The same is true of the group that the web server uses to execute the cgi-bin wrappers and the --with-cgi-gid= given to configure. I created a group www -- which included apache, mailman, and myself -- and set -cgi-gid=www. The apache would not run the mailman/create, as it was complaining that it could not run as www (even though apache was included in ). So I set -cgi-gid=mailman and set user and group in apache to mailman. I don't know what was wrong there, but it looks like I am having a similar issue here. See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node7.html I remember that web page. I re-ran configure several times by now. Do I also need to run make and make install after that to make changes persist in /usr/local/mailman? I haven't done that, 'cause I am afraid that the changes that I made to various files would be overwritten. Please, let me know what the reality on this is. I am quite happy to have mail-gid=mailman and cgi-gid=apache, if I could make it work that way. Thank you for your support! Best regards, Roy -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with web-based confirmation
Russ Romano wrote: I'm new to the mailman users list. I was a remote admin for a listproc-based mailing list for many years and upgrading to mailman a couple of years ago. A recent upgrade by our ISP pushed me to mailman v2.0.13, and certain features appear to have been lost/hidden in this migration. I was hoping this group could provide some insight. 2.0.13 is very old. 2.1 inal was released in Dec, 2002. Current is 2.1.6. Urge your ISP to upgrade. The biggest issue is that subscription confirmation via email doesn't appear to work at all. I'm not sure if mailman is having trouble with HTML or MIME in the replies, or the appended 's in the reply cause problems... but it isn't working for the majority of my users. In the past there was a very reliable web-based confirmation. I know this still exists because I used it to confirm my subscription to THIS list, but on my confirmation emails it is missing, and I can't find an option to turn it on via the admin interface. I don't know about 2.0.13 at all. I don't know if it supports web confirmation. What I do know is that in 2.1 problems arise in e-mail confirmations if the users MUA does funny stuff with the subject. A confirmation message to the user has Subject: confirm token. A confirming reply needs to go to the listname-request address with the same subject. There is a kludge so that a reply with a subject such as Subject: Re: confirm token will work, but the kludge only ignores at most one 'token' preceding 'confirm' so that for example Subject: Re : confirm token will not work (note the space between Re and :). I don't know if any of this is relevant to your situation. Again, your best solution is to convince your provider to upgrade if you can. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments being stored for plain-text digests
Hmm, thanks. Is there any way to configure it to just pass the attachments through rather than trying to save them on the server? ...eliz -- Children are made up of genetics, blind luck, and the stories you tell them. - The Flying Ks -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?
roy vinner wrote: I created a group www -- which included apache, mailman, and myself -- and set -cgi-gid=www. The apache would not run the mailman/create, as it was complaining that it could not run as www (even though apache was included in ). So I set -cgi-gid=mailman and set user and group in apache to mailman. I don't know what was wrong there, but it looks like I am having a similar issue here. The 'mailman' user should be in the 'mailman' group (not in www) and all mailman files, including particularly the mail/mailman wrapper and the cgi-bin/* wrappers should be group mailman and setgid. Run bin/check_perms -f as root until it reports no errors. See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node7.html I remember that web page. I re-ran configure several times by now. Do I also need to run make and make install after that to make changes persist in /usr/local/mailman? I haven't done that, 'cause I am afraid that the changes that I made to various files would be overwritten. Please, let me know what the reality on this is. I am quite happy to have mail-gid=mailman and cgi-gid=apache, if I could make it work that way. --with-mail-gid= needs to be set to the group that postfix uses to pipe mail to the mail/mailman wrapper. --with-cgi-gid= needs to be set to the group that apache uses to execute the cgi-bin wrappers. This group is set in the Apache config with the Group directive, so if the apache config contains Group apache then Mailman must be configured using --with-cgi-gid=apache OTOH, if Mailman is configured using --with-cgi-gid=somethingelse this can work too if the apache config contains Group somethingelse The analagous situation is true with postfix and --with-mail-gid except I can't offhand tell you how to set group in postfix. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments being stored for plain-text digests
Elizabeth Lear wrote: Is there any way to configure it to just pass the attachments through rather than trying to save them on the server? You could remove Scrubber from the pipeline, but I don't think you want to do that because I think the MIME structure of the message with attachments will not be properly integrated into the overall digest, at least for 'plain' digests. This will result in digest recipients seeing MIME part headers, raw HTML, raw base64 encoded data and so forth instead of attachments. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Adding phone number and other information to the subscriber list?
Has anyone modified mailman to allow additional information to go on the subscriber list, such as phone numbers? I would like to use mailman as a combination shared phone-directory, and mailing list system. If not, do you know of an alternate system which supports this? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?
Mark Sapiro wrote: roy vinner wrote: I created a group www -- which included apache, mailman, and myself -- and set -cgi-gid=www. The apache would not run the mailman/create, as it was complaining that it could not run as www (even though apache was included in ). So I set -cgi-gid=mailman and set user and group in apache to mailman. I don't know what was wrong there, but it looks like I am having a similar issue here. The 'mailman' user should be in the 'mailman' group (not in www) and all mailman files, including particularly the mail/mailman wrapper and the cgi-bin/* wrappers should be group mailman and setgid. Run bin/check_perms -f as root until it reports no errors. I does run without any errors. Thanks! See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node7.html I remember that web page. I re-ran configure several times by now. Do I also need to run make and make install after that to make changes persist in /usr/local/mailman? I haven't done that, 'cause I am afraid that the changes that I made to various files would be overwritten. Please, let me know what the reality on this is. I am quite happy to have mail-gid=mailman and cgi-gid=apache, if I could make it work that way. --with-mail-gid= needs to be set to the group that postfix uses to pipe mail to the mail/mailman wrapper. --with-cgi-gid= needs to be set to the group that apache uses to execute the cgi-bin wrappers. This group is set in the Apache config with the Group directive, so if the apache config contains Group apache then Mailman must be configured using --with-cgi-gid=apache OTOH, if Mailman is configured using --with-cgi-gid=somethingelse this can work too if the apache config contains Group somethingelse The analagous situation is true with postfix and --with-mail-gid except I can't offhand tell you how to set group in postfix. So, after I've set the -with-cgi-gid=apache and --with-mail-gid=mailman and rerun configure, will I need also to re-run make and make install? That will be a job for tomorrow... Thank you for your support! Best regards, Roy -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments being stored for plain-text digests
Hi Mark, Mark Sapiro wrote: Elizabeth Lear wrote: Is there any way to configure it to just pass the attachments through rather than trying to save them on the server? You could remove Scrubber from the pipeline, Sorry, but use of Mailman.Handlers.Scrubber is hard coded in ToDigest.py. I should have make it configurable like it was for the archiver. :-( but I don't think you want to do that because I think the MIME structure of the message with attachments will not be properly integrated into the overall digest, at least for 'plain' digests. This will result in digest recipients seeing MIME part headers, raw HTML, raw base64 encoded data and so forth instead of attachments. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Adding phone number and other information to thesubscriber list?
Casper Tonka wrote: Has anyone modified mailman to allow additional information to go on the subscriber list, such as phone numbers? I would like to use mailman as a combination shared phone-directory, and mailing list system. This may not be what you're looking fore, but there are examples of MemberAdaptor on sf.net that enable using LDAP and MySQL to hold list membership information. http://sf.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=871062group_id=103atid=300103 http://sf.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=839386group_id=103atid=300103 -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a mailman or postfix error?
Roy Vinner So, after I've set the -with-cgi-gid=apache and --with-mail-gid=mailman and rerun configure, will I need also to re-run make and make install? That will be a job for tomorrow... Yes. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Adding phone number and other information to thesubscriber list?
On 7/28/05, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may not be what you're looking fore, but there are examples of MemberAdaptor on sf.net that enable using LDAP and MySQL to hold list membership information. http://sf.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=871062group_id=103atid=300103 http://sf.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=839386group_id=103atid=300103 Hmmm... these are getting close to what I want. Looks like the LDAP one breaks some of the critical features of mailman, e.g. bounce tracking. And of course, one of the important things I need is for the subscription process to include the gathering of the phone list information; neither of these solve that. Thanks though. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] mailman and mysql
Hi All, I am having some trouble with integration of mailman and mysql. We have a mysql server that has the mailman databases on it and I can connect to it from the mailman server and can send emails out from it but the subscribe function appears to not work. I get the confirmation email and I get all the correct responses from the mailman server but the user does not show up in the mailman database on the mysql server. I am a little confused as the logs all say that the user has subscribbed successfully. Where do I start to troubleshoot this? Thanks, Sean Roe -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments being stored for plain-text digests
Sorry, but use of Mailman.Handlers.Scrubber is hard coded in ToDigest.py. I should have make it configurable like it was for the archiver. :-( Ah, thanks. Before I give up completely, can you say whether scrubber can be hacked out without breaking things, or is it too integral to the code? ...eliz -- Children are made up of genetics, blind luck, and the stories you tell them. - The Flying Ks -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments being stored for plain-text digests
Hi, Elizabeth Lear wrote: Sorry, but use of Mailman.Handlers.Scrubber is hard coded in ToDigest.py. I should have make it configurable like it was for the archiver. :-( Ah, thanks. Before I give up completely, can you say whether scrubber can be hacked out without breaking things, or is it too integral to the code? I think the plain text digester expects all the messages should be either in plain text or can be scrubbed internally, IIRC. You should choose to use MIME digest if you want to deliver those attachments. Note also that Scrubber.py is used in the regular delivery (if list admin set so), the digester, and the archiver. -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments being stored for plain-text digests
Tokio Kikuchi wrote: Elizabeth Lear wrote: Sorry, but use of Mailman.Handlers.Scrubber is hard coded in ToDigest.py. I should have make it configurable like it was for the archiver. :-( Ah, thanks. Before I give up completely, can you say whether scrubber can be hacked out without breaking things, or is it too integral to the code? I think the plain text digester expects all the messages should be either in plain text or can be scrubbed internally, IIRC. You should choose to use MIME digest if you want to deliver those attachments. Note also that Scrubber.py is used in the regular delivery (if list admin set so), the digester, and the archiver. As I recall the original post, archives aren't enabled sitewide, and I don't think the 2.1.6 scrubbing of regular deliveries is an issue only. The only issue was scrubbed attachments in digests. If you want to experiment, I think you could add return(msg) immediately after def process(mlist, msg, msgdata=None): in Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py. This might actually work for MIME format digests, but as Tokio indicates above and I said earlier I don't think you want to do that because I think the MIME structure of the message with attachments will not be properly integrated into the overall digest, at least for 'plain' digests. This will result in digest recipients seeing MIME part headers, raw HTML, raw base64 encoded data and so forth instead of attachments. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Low level bug: (solved)
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 11:52, Mark Sapiro wrote: The real issue here seems to be that the import from mm_cfg done in the driver script is inadequately protected. The driver script print_traceback definition contains try: from Mailman.mm_cfg import VERSION except ImportError: VERSION = 'lt;undeterminedgt;' This is fine if there is an ImportError exception, but since mm_cfg.py is edited by users, it is possible (likely) that there will be a SyntaxError error exception here, and something more meaningful than the Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you. message could be reported. Bare excepts are evil, but maybe it's warranted in this situation. All we really care about is the VERSION variable you're right that users can easily put all manner of nastiness in there. -Barry signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
