[Mailman-Users] qfiles?

2005-10-03 Thread Kris Gybels
Hi all,

We're having some problems with our mailman-based mailinglists,  
everything worked fine until some time ago, when a problem started  
where mails sent to the lists sometimes get lost. We have no idea yet  
whether this is due to smtp setup problems or something or mailman  
itself. I'm looking into this problem but my knowledge of mailman is  
limited so I have questions, one is: what is the qfiles folder for?  
Is it normal for this folder to contain about 1 .msg and  
1 .db files? Based on the name I would assume this is the queue  
of unsent messages, and I would expect it to only contain messages  
that still have to be sent, the fact that there are files still in  
there might explain or missing mails option, though it's not like  
1 messages got lost ... but still, what is qfiles for then and  
does it really need to be so big??

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[Mailman-Users] Formatting

2005-10-03 Thread Stefan Henrico
Hi guys
 
Does anyone know how mailman formats the emails?
I'm getting the text files down from the server and inserting it into our
local database, but having trouble formatting the text.
 
Can anyone help me? :)
 
Kind Regards,
Stefan Henrico
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Re: [Mailman-Users] running Mailman on mail server, not web server

2005-10-03 Thread Troy Richard
 Troy Richard wrote:

The problem is now that I moved my mailman off the main server the
 address
for the test server is now www.abc.com:8112 and not www.abc.com so all
my links on the web page are pointing to www.abc.com and not
www.abc.com:8112.


 You have to put

 DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:8112/mailman/'

 in mm_cfg.py and then run fix_url to update the existing lists. fix_url
is a withlist script. Run bin/fix_url.py stand alone for instructions.

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Mark,

I'm having another problem with the above.  I had to rebuild my mailserver
and now I cannot remember how to completely set this up.

I added the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN to the mm_cfg.py.  And ran the fix_url
script.  The problem I'm having now is some of the url are point to the
wrong url.

Here is what I have in my mm_cfg.py script.

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'nebraskaultimate.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.nebraskaultimate.com:8122'
add_virtualhost('www.nebraskaultimate.com:8122', 'nebraskaultimate.com')
add_virtualhost('www.atomicxterra.com:8122', 'atomicxterra.com')
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:8122/mailman/'
ALLOW_SITE_ADMIN_COOKIES = 1


The problem is when I go to my atomicxterra list it has links to those
lists but it is using the nebraskaultimate.com URL.  I guess I can't
remember if I need to have the DEFAULT vars set.

Any help would be great.

Thanks
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman on FreeBSD 5.4 problem

2005-10-03 Thread Sasa Stupar

Hi!

I have installed Mailman 2.1.6 from the ports. I have also Sendmail 8.13.5. 
My problem is that after I have created a list, added new aliases and try 
to subscribe, I get message bounced back saying:

-
Failure to find group name mailnull.  Try adding this group
to your system, or re-run configure, providing an
existing group name with the command line option --with-mail-gid.
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 8
-

But I allready have a group name mailnull.
What is wrong here?

Regards,
Sasa

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[Mailman-Users] message shunted

2005-10-03 Thread Gregory Mokhin
Hello,

I've got 2.1.6 installation that has been working perfectly for
several months, but today a message was shunted, and I had to unshunt
it manually.

What can be the reason of the following errors? The last line
(trailing garbage) appears when I run bin/unshunt.

Regards, Gregory


==
Oct 03 19:31:14 2005 (19797) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 5]
Input/output error
Oct 03 19:31:15 2005 (19797) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 111, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 167, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py, line 130,
in _dispose
more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py, line 153,
in _dopipeline
sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py, line 92, in
process
send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py, line 133, in
send_digests
send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py, line 315, in
send_i18n_digests
msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py, line 286, in
process
payload = part.get_payload(decode=True)
  File /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py, line 223, in
get_payload
uu.decode(StringIO(payload+'\n'), sfp)
  File /usr/lib/python2.4/uu.py, line 139, in decode
sys.stderr.write(Warning: %s\n % str(v))
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/MultiLogger.py, line 45,
in write
_logexc(logger, msg)
  File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.py, line 22, in _logexc
sys.__stderr__.write('Logging error: %s\n' % logger)
IOError: [Errno 5] Input/output error

Oct 03 19:31:15 2005 (19797) SHUNTING:
1128356560.2973039+4b942190224bf00c2f961bb06c0f123f9e79c412

Oct 03 21:27:43 2005 qrunner(6065): Warning: Trailing garbage

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Re: [Mailman-Users] qfiles?

2005-10-03 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:19 PM +0200 2005-10-03, Kris Gybels wrote:

   I'm looking into this problem but my knowledge of mailman is
  limited so I have questions, one is: what is the qfiles folder for?

That's where Mailman stores messages that it is working on.

  Is it normal for this folder to contain about 1 .msg and
  1 .db files?

No.  That's a bad sign.  A very bad sign.

Based on the name I would assume this is the queue
  of unsent messages, and I would expect it to only contain messages
  that still have to be sent, the fact that there are files still in
  there might explain or missing mails option, though it's not like
  1 messages got lost ... but still, what is qfiles for then and
  does it really need to be so big??

You've clearly got a serious problem with your MTA, and with this 
many files in your qfiles subdirectory, that means you now have a 
problem just listing the directory contents or accessing any one 
particular directory entry.

You need to flush the queue, and get these messages delivered. 
Or, you need to move them aside, and just live with the fact that you 
had problems in the past, and that there was nothing you could do 
about them.


But one way or the other, if you want to return to any kind of 
normal operations, you've got to get these queues cleared.

Moreover, once they are clear, you should stop Mailman, move the 
directories aside and create new ones by the same names (with the 
same ownership and permissions), and restart Mailman.

The reasons are somewhat complex, having to do with the nature of 
the way that filesystems are implemented on computers.  If you want 
to learn more about this topic, you need to search the Mailman FAQ 
Wizard for performance, and then follow the links to the 
documentation and books that are recommended.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Will Mailman do what I want?

2005-10-03 Thread Brad Knowles
At 4:16 PM +0100 2005-10-03, David Teall wrote:

  * The ability to utilise our on-line database, which includes a User
  Name, Password and email address for every member, as the basis for
  membership of the List rather than a separate inbuilt database.

You haven't given us much details here.  A great deal depends on 
your particular database.

In theory, there are unsupported third-party patches to allow 
Mailman to use various back-end database member adapters, but that 
is beyond the scope of this mailing list or this message.  You will 
need to find member adapters which may be suitable to your 
requirements, and all further questions regarding those should be 
directed towards their developers.

  * The ability to configure the List so that clicking on 'Reply'
  addresses the reply back to the list *and* to the author of the message.

There's absolutely no way you can guarantee this.  Sure, you can 
set headers that tell clients to do whatever you want, but that 
doesn't mean that the client will actually do what you ask.

It is possible to modify the Reply-to: header, but this is 
almost always a really bad idea.  See the Mailman FAQ Wizard for more.

  * A web page where members can read current messages and archives.

Mailman does include a web archive function, but does not provide 
a web message board feature.  You can read messages on the web, but 
that's it.

There are unsupported third-party patches to integrate Mailman 
into web message boards, but you will need to contact their 
respective authors for more information.

  * The ability to customise which messages members can opt to receive to
  include the following options:
  * No Messages I will read all messages on the web.
  * Level 1 Delivery 'Special Messages' only i.e. messages from the List
  Manager(s)
  * Level 2 Delivery 'Special Messages' plus new questions from othermembers.
  * Level 3 Delivery All messages.

No.  Mailman does provide a topic function, and all messages 
posted to the list which match the topic would be sent to the person 
who subscribed to that topic.  Mailman also provides the ability to 
remain subscribed to the list but not receive any messages, as might 
be typical if you were to go on vacation for a while.

  I should be most grateful if someone could let me know which of these
  features Mailman provides as it stands and which it might be
  possible to provide by suitable mods.

Pretty much all the answers to your questions should be found on 
the Mailman web site at http://www.list.org/.  In particular, you 
should start by looking at http://www.list.org/features.html.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Formatting

2005-10-03 Thread Brad Knowles
At 4:25 PM +0200 2005-10-03, Stefan Henrico wrote:

  Does anyone know how mailman formats the emails?

According to the various MIME headers that are on the message. 
These include Content-type, Content-transfer-encoding, etc

  I'm getting the text files down from the server and inserting it into our
  local database, but having trouble formatting the text.

If you don't fully understand the MIME formatting, you've got a 
very long road ahead of you.

  Can anyone help me? :)

You'll need to start by reading all the various RFCs on MIME encoding.

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[Mailman-Users] How to alias /lists/mylist to /lists/mailman/listinfo/mylist?

2005-10-03 Thread Matt England
How can I change/add to the RedirectMatch alias structures in my httpd.conf 
file excerpt below such that  a /lists/mylist URL path gets redirected to 
/lists/mailman/listinfo/mylist while still supporting the /lists 
redirect to /lists/mailman/listinfo?

I messed around with some grouping ( (.*) -- $1) RedirectMatch lines with 
no success.

Thanks for any help
-Matt


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 ## GNU Mailman stuff as per
 ## http://forum.qmailrocks.org/viewtopic.php?p=3274#3274
 ##

 Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
 Options ExecCGI
 AllowOverride None
 Order allow,deny
 Allow from all
 /Directory

 Directory /data/mailman/archives/public/ 
 Options FollowSymLinks
 AllowOverride None
 Order allow,deny
 Allow from all
 /Directory

 ScriptAlias /lists/mailman   /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin
 Alias   /pipermail   /data/mailman/archives/public

 RedirectMatch 
^/lists[/]*$ https://mydomain.com/lists/mailman/listinfo/
 RedirectMatch ^/lists/mailman[/]*$ 
https://mydomain.com/lists/mailman/listinfo/

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[Mailman-Users] Illegal list name: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2005-10-03 Thread Mathieu Malaterre

Hello,

	Seems like this topic comes often in the newgroup, but since I could 
not find an answer to my particular problem, I figure out I could -also- 
send a request about this problem.


So I am trying to install mailman, I read and followed instructions 
from:

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install.pdf

	since I have a running postfix installation (gentoo box), I just modify 
the few main.cf options needed, basically:

owner_request_special = no
and
alias_maps = hash:/etc/mail/aliases,
  hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases

	I did generate the aliases using genalias (under root), and then chmod 
to mailman:


$ ls -al /usr/local/mailman/data
-rw-rw   1 mailman mailman   357 Oct  3 16:22 aliases
-rw-r-   1 mailman mailman 49152 Oct  3 16:22 aliases.db

	And finally here is the /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py I am 
using. It is attached to this email.


Does anyone knows what is going on ? Is there a way to make mailman more 
verbose on why this mailing list is 'illegal'.


Thanks a bunch,
Mathieu
Ps:
$ telnet farsight-gentoo 25 


Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to farsight-gentoo.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 farsight-gentoo ESMTP Postfix
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to alias /lists/mylist to /lists/mailman/listinfo/mylist?

2005-10-03 Thread John Dennis
On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 11:44 -0500, Matt England wrote:
 How can I change/add to the RedirectMatch alias structures in my httpd.conf 
 file excerpt below such that  a /lists/mylist URL path gets redirected to 
 /lists/mailman/listinfo/mylist while still supporting the /lists 
 redirect to /lists/mailman/listinfo?

I believe you will need to perform a URL rewrite which special cases the
component mailman when following the lists component. This type of
functionality is available in the mod_rewrite module.

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_rewrite.html

Practical examples here:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html

Be aware that mod_rewrite is not an easy module to master, at a minimum
you will need a solid understanding of regular expressions.

I think what you need to do is craft a rule which first attempts to
match /lists/mailman and if that matches terminate the rule processing
outputting the matched URL, else continue to process and rewrite the URL
to the per list URL.

BTW, rewrite != redirect
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Re: [Mailman-Users] encoding problem (french)

2005-10-03 Thread Tara Star

On Oct 2, 2005, at 23:18, Mark Sapiro wrote:


 The difference here is the stuff with html escapes comes from the
 templates/fr/listinfo.html template and the other comes from
 translated messages in messages/fr/LC_MESSAGES/

I've taken the mailman.po file in that directory and converted it  
(with iconv) to utf-8. Now all that needs to be done is compile it  
into a .mo and I should be able to have a utf-8 french interface.

Only problem is the .po will not compile. Of course, I tried  
compiling the original .po just to make sure I hadn't messed things  
up with iconv, and it doesn't compile either :-(

error message: mailman.po.old:4325:33: invalid control sequence
mailman.po.old:6507: `msgid' and `msgstr' entries do not both end  
with '\n'
msgfmt: found 2 fatal errors

I've had a look at the file at those lines, but it didn't help me  
much. Does anybody know what the problem is, or could anybody tell me  
where I can lay my hands on a FR .mo which will compile?

Guilty files: http://climbtothestars.org/play/mailman.po.txt  
(original, latin-1)
http://climbtothestars.org/play/mailman.po (converted, utf-8)

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[Mailman-Users] HTML messages showing an attachment icon in Outlook Express

2005-10-03 Thread Claire McLister
Hi,

  When we send an HTML message through Mailman it is showing an 
attachment icon in Outlook Express even though there is no attachment 
in the message. In Mac OS X Mail application there is no attachment 
icon shown. Even in Outlook Express, when you open the message there is 
no attachment shown.

  This issue has been raised on this list a couple of years ago, but I 
did not see any response to those messages. Please let me know if you 
know of a way of handling this problem.

  Thanks

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML messages showing an attachment icon in Outlook Express

2005-10-03 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:54 PM -0700 2005-10-03, Claire McLister wrote:

When we send an HTML message through Mailman it is showing an
  attachment icon in Outlook Express even though there is no attachment
  in the message. In Mac OS X Mail application there is no attachment
  icon shown. Even in Outlook Express, when you open the message there is
  no attachment shown.

Go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and search for footer.

This issue has been raised on this list a couple of years ago, but I
  did not see any response to those messages. Please let me know if you
  know of a way of handling this problem.

Any time you've got a question regarding Mailman, try searching 
the Mailman FAQ Wizard, searching the archives of the mailman-users 
mailing list, etc  Odds are, whatever your question, someone else 
has already asked it and gotten it answered -- many times over.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] encoding problem (french)

2005-10-03 Thread Mark Sapiro
Tara Star wrote:

On Oct 2, 2005, at 23:18, Mark Sapiro wrote:


 The difference here is the stuff with html escapes comes from the
 templates/fr/listinfo.html template and the other comes from
 translated messages in messages/fr/LC_MESSAGES/

I've taken the mailman.po file in that directory and converted it  
(with iconv) to utf-8. Now all that needs to be done is compile it  
into a .mo and I should be able to have a utf-8 french interface.


I don't know if there will be an issue here or not. I don't think so
because the English messages should all be in 7-bit ascii, but you
must not change the English text because it is the key to look up the
French translation.


Only problem is the .po will not compile. Of course, I tried  
compiling the original .po just to make sure I hadn't messed things  
up with iconv, and it doesn't compile either :-(


Are you compiling with Mailman's bin/msgfmt.py or some other msgfmt
implementation. This may be the problem. The original file should
compile OK with bin/msgfmt.py.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Illegal list name: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2005-10-03 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mathieu Malaterre wrote:

Does anyone knows what is going on ? Is there a way to make mailman more 
verbose on why this mailing list is 'illegal'.

The attachments to your post were apparently stripped by content
filtering, but one possibility is that Mailman requires fully
qualified domain names - local names are not acceptable.

If this doesn't answer your question, please post again in plain text
and include in your post the context in which you are told the list
name is illegal.

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[Mailman-Users] Command-Line Interface

2005-10-03 Thread Doug Penny
Hello Everyone,
I'm new to the list, but I've been using mailman for several years.   
We recently moved our mailman server to a new machine and decided not  
to install apache, but instead went with lighttpd.  Needless to say,  
I'm having a difficult time getting the mailman web interface to work  
with it, but the lists are running.  My question is, since I can not  
currently access the web interface, is there a way to approve/reject  
mail being held through the command line?  Thanks for any help.

Sincerely,
Doug Penny
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Emails are being moderated...

2005-10-03 Thread Mark Sapiro
Johnny Schlaack wrote:

We've set up a list that primary works as an announcement list instead of a
discussion list.  Almost everyone on the list is setup to be moderated.
Only a handful are not setup to be moderated.


This is not a very secure way to run an announcement list because the
list members can easily figure out who is able to post and can spoof
those addresses to post themselves.

It is better to moderate everyone and post via an Approved: header/body
line. Go to the FAQ wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and search for announcement.


But for some reason emails
will not go to the list unless approved by the list owner of a certain
unmoderated individual.  Now the only thing I can think of that might be
causing a problem is that the email this individual sends out every Friday
is a html newsletter.  The newsletter is like a webpage with tables and
text. (The enewsletter is not an attachment but sent in the body of the
email.)  Would this cause her emails to be moderated to be approved by the
list owner?


Mailman tells you why the message is held for approval. What does
Mailman say the reason is?


Is there a way that her emails can go through without approval?


If you use the Approved: method to post, this won't be a problem.
Otherwise, you first have to determine why the message is being held.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] running Mailman on mail server, not web server

2005-10-03 Thread Mark Sapiro
Troy Richard wrote:

Mark Sapiro wrote:

 You have to put

 DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:8112/mailman/'

 in mm_cfg.py and then run fix_url to update the existing lists. fix_url
 is a withlist script. Run bin/fix_url.py stand alone for instructions.

Mark,

I'm having another problem with the above.  I had to rebuild my mailserver
and now I cannot remember how to completely set this up.

I added the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN to the mm_cfg.py.  And ran the fix_url
script.  The problem I'm having now is some of the url are point to the
wrong url.

Here is what I have in my mm_cfg.py script.

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'nebraskaultimate.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.nebraskaultimate.com:8122'
add_virtualhost('www.nebraskaultimate.com:8122', 'nebraskaultimate.com')
add_virtualhost('www.atomicxterra.com:8122', 'atomicxterra.com')
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:8122/mailman/'
ALLOW_SITE_ADMIN_COOKIES = 1


The problem is when I go to my atomicxterra list it has links to those
lists but it is using the nebraskaultimate.com URL.  I guess I can't
remember if I need to have the DEFAULT vars set.


You've got the :8122 in too many places for one thing. If it's in
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN as you have it, then you don't want it elsewhere.

I suggest the following for the relevant part of mm_cfg.py:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'nebraskaultimate.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.nebraskaultimate.com'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost('www.nebraskaultimate.com', 'nebraskaultimate.com')
add_virtualhost('www.atomicxterra.com', 'atomicxterra.com')
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:8122/mailman/'

The VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() entry removes what was put there by the
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) that's in
Defaults.py. This isn't strictly necessary but it insures you have no
spurious entries in your VIRTUAL_HOSTS dictionary.

After fixing this and restarting Mailman, you'll need to run fix_url on
the existing lists. I think that will do it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce messages coming in after restart

2005-10-03 Thread Mark Sapiro
Aaron wrote:

I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 on FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p10 with Postfix. I
actually have the same setup on two different servers and have been having
the same problem on both.

Every time Mailman gets restarted (pretty much only happens when we
reboot), tons of bounce notifications get sent out to list admins. It's
like Mailman was holding them and old released them upon restart.


It could be lots of things and it's difficult to even begin without
more info.

Check Mailman's logs. One guess is for some reason the BounceRunner
dies and then starts after a restart and processes all the backlogged
bounces. The 'qrunner' log might show this. Also check the 'error' log

Also check the queues in qfiles. Particularly qfiles/bounces.

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