[Mailman-Users] Problems with bounces and qmail+mailman+vpopmail
Every day, in my server mailman registers new bounces and stablishes new scores. But there are bounces that never arrives to mailman, because some times, at some point, the addresses become wrong. Then, qmail sends me (postmaster) a message notifying that a bounce could not been sent. Some times in this failure notice I can read that the original bounce was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] but afterwards qmail-send says: Hi. This is the qmail-send program at servername.mydomain.com. I tried to deliver a bounce message to this address, but the bounce bounced! [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) Not to lists.mydomain.com!!! And of course, mailman never receive this bounce! Another times the original bounce is sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] WRONG!! I have followed these instructions: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.029.htp And I have: .qmail-default with: |preline /usr/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/bin/qmail-to-mailman.py .qmail-mylist-bounces-default with: |preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces myslist That works fine with some bounces. The other problem I posted last October 10, 2005, related with this one, is still not solved :_( I wish you could help me. Thanks a lot! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with bounces and qmail+mailman+vpopmail
At 12:27 PM +0200 2005-10-19, David Cuenca wrote: Every day, in my server mailman registers new bounces and stablishes new scores. But there are bounces that never arrives to mailman, because some times, at some point, the addresses become wrong. Then, qmail sends me (postmaster) a message notifying that a bounce could not been sent. I've read through the message, and I'm not seeing anything here that is obviously a Mailman problem. If you have a qmail problem, you should be posting to their mailing lists, reading their FAQs and other documentation, etc Unfortunately, qmail hasn't seen any real development in about seven years, so you might have to consider upgrading to a more modern MTA, such as postfix, one of the more recent releases of sendmail, or maybe Exim. Without more information, and more specific information, I doubt that we're going to be able to help you. Show us slices from the logs and copies of information from real bounces and stop trying to obfuscate things, and we might possibly be able to help. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Cannot View Subscribers' List - Mailman 2.1.5
Web User Support wrote: One of our clients is unable to view their subscriber list via the listinfo page; the result insists on a valid email address. The client *is* using a valid address and I have confirmed that she has the correct password. I have also failed to log in via our master user-name and I have re-set the password. Does anyone have any ideas about solving this? Is the roster available to list members or only to the admin? (it says on the listinfo page) See private roster on Privacy options...Subscription rules. It's set to admin-only and she *is* one of them. I also re-set her admin password, but without success. g -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Approved Headers
(I've looked for this in archives, but I must have the wrong search phrases.) Could someone tell me how to edit the headers in Outlook Express so that I can approve or resend messages from there? Also, can you give me an example the format of a header with an approved header in it? Thanks Jeanne -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Cannot View Subscribers' List - Mailman 2.1.5
Web User Support wrote: Is the roster available to list members or only to the admin? (it says on the listinfo page) See private roster on Privacy options...Subscription rules. It's set to admin-only and she *is* one of them. I also re-set her admin password, but without success. The admin e-mail addresses mean nothing to mailman other than being addresses to which admin e-mail is sent. The only thing that identifies an admin to the mailman web interface is knowledge of the list admin password. Are you saying she can log on to the admin interface and do list admin functions, but she can't see the roster using the exact same password? What happens if she goes to the admin General Options page and after logging in, goes directly to a URL which is the same except 'admin' is replaced by 'roster'? Or for that matter, after logging in as admin, just goes to the listinfo page and clicks 'Visit Subscriber List' without filling in any address or password? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange errors
Mark Sapiro wrote: Dan Szkola wrote (in separate posts): You could try the following patch to the $prefix/scripts/post script to print the environment each time it is invoked. Assuming sendmail doesn't choke on this in the normal case, it should appear in the DSN in the error case. Patched the admin script as suggested. When I saw the error this morning, I emailed to the admin address of our test list. Here is what I got: - Transcript of session follows - PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman AGENT sendmail Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/admin, line 36, in ? from Mailman.Queue.sbcache import get_switchboard File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/sbcache.py, line 19, in ? from Mailman.Queue.Switchboard import Switchboard File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 47, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py, line 22, in ? from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py, line 20, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Logger import Logger File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py, line 25, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Utils import _logexc File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.py, line 18, in ? import traceback ImportError: No module named traceback 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 -- Dan Szkola Sr Unix Systems Programmer Northern Illinois University -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Approved Headers
Jeanne Goodman wrote: (I've looked for this in archives, but I must have the wrong search phrases.) Could someone tell me how to edit the headers in Outlook Express so that I can approve or resend messages from there? This is not a Mailman question, and I'm not a MS-OE expert, but I don't know of a way to add a custom header to mail sent by OE. Also, can you give me an example the format of a header with an approved header in it? Because it is awkward or impossible with some MUAs (mail clients) to add a custom header to an individual message, Mailman also looks at the first non-blank line of the first text/plain part of the message for an Approved: header, i.e., a line that begins with 'Approved:' (Approve: is also accepted). If it finds such a line, it checks for the list password and in any case, removes the Approved: line from the message if it is a post. If you are approving a held message in response to a notification, the notification will have two attachments in OE. One of these is the original message, and the other is an e-mail message with subject like 'confirm 079b0381a67628da958ae2da5c095606d9006dc4'. If you open this message attachment in OE, I believe you will be able to reply to it. The reply will go to the listname-request address and will have subject 'Re: confirm 079b0381a67628da958ae2da5c095606d9006dc4'. The Re: is not required but is OK, the string of hex digits will of course be different. If you send that reply, the original post will be discarded. If you first edit the reply so the first line is 'Approved: list_password', the post will be approved. These instructions are also in the body of that attached message. If you are trying to send a post to the list which might otherwise be held, you can also include an Approved: line as the first body line. In this case, it is trickier, because the message will go to the list and if it is multipart/alternative with an html part, the Approved: line won't be removed from the html part. So you have to set OE before composing the message to send plain text. This is Tools-Options-Send tab, Mail Sending Format - Plain Text. You also have to follow the Approved: line with a blank line because current Mailman versions remove both the Approved: line and the first remaining line. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Approved Headers
Thank you very much. You have cleared up a lot of things. Can you recommend a Windows Friendly MUA that does allow one to add a custom header? Is there any way to edit a message before approval with my mail client limitation? I saw in the FAQs how to edit a message by forwarding it to yourself and changing the headers. Jeanne Goodman - Original Message - From: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeanne Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org ... Because it is awkward or impossible with some MUAs (mail clients) to add a custom header to an individual message, Mailman also looks at the first non-blank line of the first text/plain part of the message for an Approved: header, i.e., a line that begins with 'Approved:' (Approve: is also accepted). If it finds such a line, it checks for the list password and in any case, removes the Approved: line from the message if it is a post. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Interface questions
On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 13:42 -0400, JOSEPH DAMICO wrote: Hello, We are considering a conversion from Listproc to Mailman. We have a few concerns, but our chief one is authentication. Here are two questions in this regard: (a) We would like to have Mailman interface with our Kerberos system, so that the passwords our students and faculty use for their e-mail, course logins, and almost every other authentication procedure would be the same passwords they use to access mailing lists. Has anyone developed a Mailman-Kerberos interface? (b) A number of people subscribed to our lists are from outside the university, so a Mailman-Kerberos interface would not work for them. Ideally, we would have users communicate with another program (such as Shibboleth). Then we would determine whether to use the Kerberos interface (for university people) or the regular Mailman password (for those non-university people) to communicate with Mailman. Has anyone developed a Mailman-Shibboleth interface? To the best of my knowledge neither has been developed. However, it isn't terribly hard and you should consider developing it yourself and contributing the code. Here is what you would need to do: Mailman comes with a member adapter plugin. You would override the method authenticateMember() to perform a authentication validation. I'm not sure if there is an existing python module for kerberos authentication, if not you would need to write one that checks the user's ticket. You would also need to add some code to automatically invoke your member adapter. You also need a method to determine if the user is in your kerberos realm, -or- you could attempt a kerberos authentication and if you get a unknown principal error attempt authentication with your fallback mechanism. Mailman lets its members set and get their passwords, YOU DO NOT WANT to allow this with kerberos so you would probably also override setMemberPassword() and getMemberPassword() to be a no-op. You would also want to configure the site defaults to never send password reminders. -- John Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlooks munges attachment headers?
Thanks again for the help yesterday getting my Mailman installation working! We're now in the testing phase ... woo hoo! New question: earlier today, I sent a messsage to my test list from Apple's Mail.app with an image attached. It shows up in the archives as a linked file, as I would have expected: http://lists.familyvoices.org/pipermail/fv-test/2005-October/09.html Later, I sent a message to the same list from Microsoft Outlook with an attachment and it displays in the archives inline ... not the desired behavior! http://lists.familyvoices.org/pipermail/fv-test/2005-October/19.html Unfortunately, my whole organization uses Outlook. Is this an unavoidable side effect of some Microsoft-specific header munging or can I adjust my list settings (easier than changing Outlook settings for 20 people spread around the U.S.) so attachments display as links? I looked through the archives, but didn't see this addressed specifically (though I could have easily missed it!). Thanks in advance for any help! -Andrew - Andrew Hedges Technology Coordinator Family Voices, Inc. 2340 Alamo Ave SE, Suite 102 Albuquerque, NM 87106 505-872-4774 phone 505-872-4780 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.familyvoices.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange errors
Mark Sapiro wrote: Dan Szkola wrote: Patched the admin script as suggested. When I saw the error this morning, I emailed to the admin address of our test list. Here is what I got: - Transcript of session follows - PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman I wouldn't have expected this, but I don't think it should matter. What do you get if you add to the patch as follows --- admin 2005-10-14 16:31:42.078125000 -0700 +++ admin_patched 2005-10-19 10:21:51.328125000 -0700 @@ -25,8 +25,16 @@ import sys +from os import environ +for env_var in environ: +print env_var, environ[env_var] +for s_path in sys.path: +print 'before =', s_path import paths +for s_path in sys.path: +print 'after =', s_path + from Mailman import mm_cfg from Mailman import Utils from Mailman.i18n import _ - Transcript of session follows - PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman AGENT sendmail before = /usr/local/mailman/scripts before = /usr/local/mailman before = /usr/local/lib/python24.zip before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/ before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/plat-sunos5 before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-tk before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload after = /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib after = /usr/local/mailman after = /usr/local/mailman/scripts after = /usr/local/mailman after = /usr/local/lib/python24.zip after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/ after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/plat-sunos5 after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-tk after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/admin, line 42, in ? from Mailman.Queue.sbcache import get_switchboard File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/sbcache.py, line 19, in ? from Mailman.Queue.Switchboard import Switchboard File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 47, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py, line 22, in ? from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py, line 20, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Logger import Logger File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py, line 25, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Utils import _logexc File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.py, line 18, in ? import traceback ImportError: No module named traceback 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 Oddly, the correct path statement is the only one with a trailing slash. -- Dan Szkola Sr Unix Systems Programmer Northern Illinois University -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Bounced mail when sending reminders
I am encountering errors with the smtp servers on Yahoo. I have updated to use sendmail so that I can login using my account information and this works for postings. But when the system sends out reminder emails it doesnt seem to use the same code and uses smtp direct I am assuming any help would be greatly appreciated Rob Cartier -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlooks munges attachment headers?
Andrew Hedges wrote: Later, I sent a message to the same list from Microsoft Outlook with an attachment and it displays in the archives inline ... not the desired behavior! http://lists.familyvoices.org/pipermail/fv-test/2005-October/19.html Unfortunately, my whole organization uses Outlook. Is this an unavoidable side effect of some Microsoft-specific header munging or can I adjust my list settings (easier than changing Outlook settings for 20 people spread around the U.S.) so attachments display as links? The issue is that the 'attachment' is not being sent as a separate MIME part. It is just a uuencoded file that is included as part of the text/plain message. There is no Mailman setting to see it as an attachment. I would say that any MUA/mail client that sees it as an attachment is brain dead and should be put out of it's misery, but that would be unkind. You have to set Outlook to send MIME attachments rather than uuencoded. Unfortunately, a nagging feeling arises from the dusty recesses of my mind saying that selecting 'uuencode' for 'attachments' instead of MIME is a workaround for not otherwise being able to send plain text rather than HTML, but I have no direct knowledge of Outlook and how to configure it. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Interface questions
On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 13:42 -0400, JOSEPH DAMICO wrote: (a) We would like to have Mailman interface with our Kerberos system... hmm... thinking about this a bit more, while getting mailman to authenticate with kerberos wouldn't be hard you're going to run into some other nasty problems you can't ignore 1) The web pages will prompt for credentials, you do not want this because kerberos is a single signon system (SSO). You would want to remove this prompting, that is a larger task. But you may need to retain it for users not your kerberos realm, but see points 2 and 3. 2) You will be dependent on external mechanisms for ticket generation. That may or may not play well for your mailman user community. For example if I'm trying to access mailman remotely via the web how would I establish a ticket? 3) Unless you force all your mailman URL's to use SSL (TLS) and you allow password entry you will have exposed a very critical password to the world, potentially the kerberos passwords of your entire user community. Mailman currently transmits passwords in the clear in many circumstances, the only reason this has not become more of an issue is because user's are encouraged not to use an important password for mailman. -- John Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Approved Headers
On 19/10/05, Jeanne Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you very much. You have cleared up a lot of things. Can you recommend a Windows Friendly MUA that does allow one to add a custom header? Pegasus Mail. http://www.pmail.com. AFAIC, it's the best windows MUA. And the best part, it's free. -- Bryan Carbonnell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting What a great ride! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange errors
On 10/19/05 11:14 AM, Dan Szkola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Sapiro wrote: Dan Szkola wrote: Patched the admin script as suggested. When I saw the error this morning, I emailed to the admin address of our test list. Here is what I got: - Transcript of session follows - PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman I wouldn't have expected this, but I don't think it should matter. What do you get if you add to the patch as follows --- admin 2005-10-14 16:31:42.078125000 -0700 +++ admin_patched 2005-10-19 10:21:51.328125000 -0700 @@ -25,8 +25,16 @@ import sys +from os import environ +for env_var in environ: +print env_var, environ[env_var] +for s_path in sys.path: +print 'before =', s_path import paths +for s_path in sys.path: +print 'after =', s_path + from Mailman import mm_cfg from Mailman import Utils from Mailman.i18n import _ - Transcript of session follows - PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman AGENT sendmail before = /usr/local/mailman/scripts before = /usr/local/mailman before = /usr/local/lib/python24.zip before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/ before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/plat-sunos5 before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-tk before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload after = /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib after = /usr/local/mailman after = /usr/local/mailman/scripts after = /usr/local/mailman after = /usr/local/lib/python24.zip after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/ after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/plat-sunos5 after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-tk after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/admin, line 42, in ? from Mailman.Queue.sbcache import get_switchboard File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/sbcache.py, line 19, in ? from Mailman.Queue.Switchboard import Switchboard File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 47, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py, line 22, in ? from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py, line 20, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Logger import Logger File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py, line 25, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Utils import _logexc File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.py, line 18, in ? import traceback ImportError: No module named traceback 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 Oddly, the correct path statement is the only one with a trailing slash. Have we eliminated the possibility that--due to some unfortunate event--there really is no traceback module (or it can't be read)? What do you get from ls -l /usr/local/lib/python2.4/traceback.py If it is there, does that file have world read permission? Do you have multiple Python versions installed? --John -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange errors
John W. Baxter wrote: On 10/19/05 11:14 AM, Dan Szkola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Sapiro wrote: Dan Szkola wrote: Patched the admin script as suggested. When I saw the error this morning, I emailed to the admin address of our test list. Here is what I got: - Transcript of session follows - PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman I wouldn't have expected this, but I don't think it should matter. What do you get if you add to the patch as follows --- admin 2005-10-14 16:31:42.078125000 -0700 +++ admin_patched 2005-10-19 10:21:51.328125000 -0700 @@ -25,8 +25,16 @@ import sys +from os import environ +for env_var in environ: +print env_var, environ[env_var] +for s_path in sys.path: +print 'before =', s_path import paths +for s_path in sys.path: +print 'after =', s_path + from Mailman import mm_cfg from Mailman import Utils from Mailman.i18n import _ - Transcript of session follows - PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman AGENT sendmail before = /usr/local/mailman/scripts before = /usr/local/mailman before = /usr/local/lib/python24.zip before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/ before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/plat-sunos5 before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-tk before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload after = /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib after = /usr/local/mailman after = /usr/local/mailman/scripts after = /usr/local/mailman after = /usr/local/lib/python24.zip after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/ after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/plat-sunos5 after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-tk after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/admin, line 42, in ? from Mailman.Queue.sbcache import get_switchboard File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/sbcache.py, line 19, in ? from Mailman.Queue.Switchboard import Switchboard File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 47, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py, line 22, in ? from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py, line 20, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Logger import Logger File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py, line 25, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Utils import _logexc File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.py, line 18, in ? import traceback ImportError: No module named traceback 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 Oddly, the correct path statement is the only one with a trailing slash. Have we eliminated the possibility that--due to some unfortunate event--there really is no traceback module (or it can't be read)? What do you get from ls -l /usr/local/lib/python2.4/traceback.py If it is there, does that file have world read permission? Do you have multiple Python versions installed? --John Yep. If it didn't exist or was unreadable, wouldn't the script bail under normal circumstances? Anyway, here is the output of an ls -l /usr/local/lib/python2.4/tr*: -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin28935 May 27 11:59 /usr/local/lib/python2.4/trace.py -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin22092 May 27 12:01 /usr/local/lib/python2.4/trace.pyc -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin22030 May 27 12:01 /usr/local/lib/python2.4/trace.pyo -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin10464 May 27 11:59 /usr/local/lib/python2.4/traceback.py -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin11030 May 27 12:01 /usr/local/lib/python2.4/traceback.pyc -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin11030 May 27 12:01 /usr/local/lib/python2.4/traceback.pyo I have also tried copying the traceback.py file into various places that make sense and I get the same error. I know it is getting read because it gets compiled into a .pyc file. The python 2.4.1 was compiled from source and is the only python version on the box. -- Dan Szkola Sr Unix Systems Programmer Northern Illinois University -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounced mail when sending reminders
Robert Cartier wrote: I am encountering errors with the smtp servers on Yahoo. I have updated to use sendmail so that I can login using my account information and this works for postings. The use of DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' is highly discouraged as I'm sure you know if you've made it work. If the only reason you're using it is because your outgoing MTA requires username/password authorization, see http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-October/047082.html But when the system sends out reminder emails it doesn't seem to use the same code and uses smtp direct I am assuming I don't think that is correct. All outgoing mail is placed in the out queue and delivered by OutgoingRunner using DELIVERY_MODULE. I have noticed however that one of my Yahoo addresses that is subscribed to a list always finds its password reminders in the 'Bulk' folder even though list posts are delivered normally. I suspect Yahoo. Do you have any of the actual bounces or just bounce log information? If you have an actual bounce, what does it say? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Approved Headers
Jeanne Goodman wrote: Can you recommend a Windows Friendly MUA that does allow one to add a custom header? Another response recommends Pegasus Mail. There are also ports of Mutt which is very functional but not GUI. If you're interested, search google for mutt+windows, Is there any way to edit a message before approval with my mail client limitation? I saw in the FAQs how to edit a message by forwarding it to yourself and changing the headers. Either the first method in the FAQ can be used, or if you have the approval notice from Mailman, that already contains the message. You can save the message and edit it as required. As the FAQ says, You should include a notice in the message explaining that the list moderator has edited the message. Then you need to 'resend' it with a mail client that can do this. AFAIK, MS-OE can't do it. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Strange errors
Dan Szkola wrote: John W. Baxter wrote: On 10/19/05 11:14 AM, Dan Szkola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Sapiro wrote: Dan Szkola wrote: Patched the admin script as suggested. When I saw the error this morning, I emailed to the admin address of our test list. Here is what I got: - Transcript of session follows - PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman I wouldn't have expected this, but I don't think it should matter. A closer look reveals that this comes from the wrapper and thus is always there. What do you get if you add to the patch as follows --- admin 2005-10-14 16:31:42.078125000 -0700 +++ admin_patched 2005-10-19 10:21:51.328125000 -0700 @@ -25,8 +25,16 @@ import sys +from os import environ +for env_var in environ: +print env_var, environ[env_var] +for s_path in sys.path: +print 'before =', s_path import paths +for s_path in sys.path: +print 'after =', s_path + from Mailman import mm_cfg from Mailman import Utils from Mailman.i18n import _ - Transcript of session follows - PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman AGENT sendmail before = /usr/local/mailman/scripts before = /usr/local/mailman before = /usr/local/lib/python24.zip before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/ before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/plat-sunos5 before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-tk before = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload after = /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib after = /usr/local/mailman after = /usr/local/mailman/scripts after = /usr/local/mailman after = /usr/local/lib/python24.zip after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/ after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/plat-sunos5 after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-tk after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload after = /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/admin, line 42, in ? from Mailman.Queue.sbcache import get_switchboard File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/sbcache.py, line 19, in ? from Mailman.Queue.Switchboard import Switchboard File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 47, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py, line 22, in ? from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py, line 20, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Logger import Logger File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py, line 25, in ? from Mailman.Logging.Utils import _logexc File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.py, line 18, in ? import traceback ImportError: No module named traceback 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1 Oddly, the correct path statement is the only one with a trailing slash. This shouldn't be a problem. I tried adding the slash in my Python 2.4.1 and it didn't matter. Have we eliminated the possibility that--due to some unfortunate event--there really is no traceback module (or it can't be read)? What do you get from ls -l /usr/local/lib/python2.4/traceback.py If it is there, does that file have world read permission? Do you have multiple Python versions installed? --John Yep. If it didn't exist or was unreadable, wouldn't the script bail under normal circumstances? Yes, unless somehow it becomes unreadable and restarting sendmail makes it readable again. That's too scary to even think about. Anyway, here is the output of an ls -l /usr/local/lib/python2.4/tr*: -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin28935 May 27 11:59 /usr/local/lib/python2.4/trace.py -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin22092 May 27 12:01 /usr/local/lib/python2.4/trace.pyc -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin22030 May 27 12:01 /usr/local/lib/python2.4/trace.pyo -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin10464 May 27 11:59 /usr/local/lib/python2.4/traceback.py -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin11030 May 27 12:01 /usr/local/lib/python2.4/traceback.pyc -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin11030 May 27 12:01 /usr/local/lib/python2.4/traceback.pyo I have also tried copying the traceback.py file into various places that make sense and I get the same error. I know it is getting read because it gets compiled into a .pyc file. The implications of this are also too scary to think about. The python 2.4.1 was compiled from source and is the only python version on the box. In a later post, you say it wasn't, but you removed the Sun Gnome Python 2.3. I hope that fixes it, but I doubt it will. Here's something else to try if it fails again. As the mailman user in the /usr/local/mailman directory, give the command python2.4 -S /usr/local/mailman/scripts/admin listname file where listname is the name of the list and file contains an arbitrary rfc822-like message. It can be as simple as - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: test body Except for the fact that this doesn't edit the environment passed to the script,
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/PHP/Digest Issue
Neal Berwick wrote: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:58:46 -0400 My apologies in advance if I'm directing this to the wrong location, but My apologies for not responding sooner, but your post got buried in my inbox. I'm about out of ideas. I recently built a small PHP web form to allow individuals to send email updates to our various mailman lists. Everything works quite nicely for non-digest users, but when I tried to configure the script for digest users, things started to get weird. snip Below I list the headers that I'm setting in php, the relevant sections of the plaintext digest with incorrectly counted messages/topics and finally the relevant sections of the plaintext digest with the correct message count. Thanks in advance to anyone who has any thoughts php: $boundary='--' . md5( uniqid(IsNealAGenius) ); $headers = From: \Home Office\ . $from. \n; $headers .= Mime-Version: 1.0\n; $headers .= Content-type: multipart/alternative;\n boundary=\$boundary\\n X-Mailer: PHP/ . phpversion() . \n; $message=\nThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.\n; $message.=\n\n--$boundary\n; $message.=Content-Type: text/plain; charset=\us-ascii\\n; $message.=Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n\n; $mail_to = [EMAIL PROTECTED]; $message .= strip_tags($test); $message .= \n\n--$boundary\n; $message .= Content-Type: text/html; charset=\us-ascii\\n; $message.=Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n\n; $message .= $test; At this point it appears you are missing $message .= \n\n--$boundary--\n; mail ($mail_to,test,$message,$headers); .. snip -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Monthly password reminders not working
Darren G Pifer wrote:
I added this to my version of mailpasswds at line 237:
print msg=%s % (msg)
msg.send(sitelist, **{'errorsto': sitebounce,
'_nolist' : 1,
'verp': mm_cfg.VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS,
})
Just to let everyone know, for grins and giggles, I changed the msg.send
line to:
msg.send(mlist)
and it sent the password reminder. Now I must find out why the original
code did not work. Can someone who knows python tell me what the second
argument to msg.send is doing?
It is adding those three items and values to the message metadata (the
msgdata dictionary). I think 'errorsto' once was used to set the
Errors-To: header, but this is now set unconditionally to the envelope
sender in SMTPDirect.py and 'errorsto' is ignored. '_nolist' : 1
causes CookHeaders.py to skip adding rfc 2369 headers. 'verp':
mm_cfg.VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS sets VERP delivery based on the value
of VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS in mm_cfg.py or Defaults.py.
Also, were there changes in the code
from 2.1.6b4 (our current version) to 2.1.6 for mailpasswds? We will be
upgrading soon but I wonder if we should do it sooner rather than later.
No. there were no changes in mailpasswds from 2.1.6b1 through the 2.1.6
final release.
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