[Mailman-Users] Uhhuh, my GID blues goes on... :( - Case SOLVED!

2005-11-28 Thread Niemi Hannu

 This would seem to say that postfix is using two different 
 GIDs to invoke the wrapper depending on the list (or, if this 
 is the case, on where the list's aliases come from). I think 
 you need to carefully look over your Postfix configuration 
 and see if it might be getting mailman aliases from two 
 different places and using different GIDs for the different places.

Aargh.. I feel dumb, dumber, dumbest...

Though, I still don't 100% grab it, I managed to solve the problem,
which was MUUUCH silleer I did even anticipate. I had read the postfix
configuration many times through but forgot to check the postfix
aliases-file, which had all the vintage lists in it. After removing the
lists form the aliases file everything started to act logically. 

I did put the lists in there when setting the listserver fast up after
the previous server crashed (physiaclly). Afterwards I added the
mailman-generated aliases-file into postfix aliases and just forgot to
delete the mailman-related aliases from the aliases file. As the lists
worked all right (through the probably primary aliases file) I didn't
notice any problems during that time. The problem just manifested itself
as now, as we needed a new list. 

What is strange is that the wrappers in the aliases file was just the
same as in the mailman aliases file, so it still beats me, why it didn't
work. But, let's hope this cured the problem until forever! :)

Thank you all and especially Mark for good suggestions

Best regards

hannu
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Hmmm

2005-11-28 Thread Doug Hall
Beautiful!
I uninstalled, deleted the config files, and reinstalled.. Worked a 
treat. Thanks.
Doug


Mark Sapiro wrote:

Doug Hall wrote:

  

What does this mean?



[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]# service mailman start

Starting mailman: Traceback (most recent call last):

 File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl, line 606, in ?

   main()

 File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl, line 425, in main

   check_for_site_list()

 File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl, line 325, in check_for_site_list

   sitelist = MailList(sitelistname, lock=0)

 File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 128, in __init__

   self.Load()

 File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 593, in Load

   dict, e = self.__load(file)

 File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 566, in __load

   dict = loadfunc(fp)

umbrella_listqbI00dule named n.co.ukq_aban_listq`]qaU

  [FAILED]




I think it means the configuration files for the site list (normally
named mailman) are corrupt.

There may be messages in Mailman's 'error' log indicating what files
were tried.

Normally (if the list is named mailman) there will be a
lists/mailman/config.pck and a lists/mailman/config.pck.last and these
will be tried in that order. There may be old (pre 2.1alpha3)
config.db and config.db/last files if the list is that old. I'm
guessing the config.pck is corrupt and caused the error and others
weren't tried.

  



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[Mailman-Users] Archives

2005-11-28 Thread Par Leijonhufvud
On some mailman lists there is a total archive that can be downloaded,
not just the montly files.  How do I get that on my list?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] ban member from joining not working

2005-11-28 Thread Rae
Hello Mark,

Thanks for the response. I did have a specific email address in the 
ban list and that specific email address was able to subscribe even 
though the list's subscription is set to confirm. Any ideas as to 
what else I should look for or do to prevent this from happening again?

Best wishes,
Rae

At 10:32 AM 11/26/2005, you wrote:
Rae wrote:
 
 Other than setting the email address in the Privacy/Subscription
 section, is there anything else that needs to be done? It isn't
 working and the member was able to be subscribed. Any suggestions?

There's nothing else that needs to be done, but keep in mind that the
ban list only bans specific email addresses from subscribing. That is,
if you put [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the list, that won't keep
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
[EMAIL PROTECTED] from subscribing.

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[Mailman-Users] New lists fail... Do I need to create aliases for Exim?

2005-11-28 Thread Andrew Steele
Back in September I asked some questions about problems I was having 
getting Mailman running on the virtual server supplied by my ISP.  
Configuration was complicated by the fact that I do not have full 
admin access to the server.

Anyway, with some effort we have finally resolved most of the issues 
with one exception.

The initial test list created during installation works just fine.  
All the problems previously identified have been fixed.

However, if I access the web based interface and create a new list 
the the following occurs.

Upon subscribing addresses, each person receives as expected a 
welcome Email.

However, when sending an Email to the list address the message sent 
bounces back with the desination reporting

 Status: 5.5.0
 Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550-Callout verification failed:
 550 550 Unrouteable address

I'm presuming that the web interface is not creating aliases or some 
such thing.

I see that in the ALIASES file there are a series of entries relating 
to the test list but not the other lists created via the web 
interface. However, I was advised that the mailer used by the ISP 
does not require aliases.  

The mailer at the ISP is Exim 4.43.  

If I can advise the ISP tech guys on the necessary fix then that 
would probably speed up a fix so any advice gratefully received.  
Equally, I'd be pleased to apply a fix myself provided it does not 
require root access.  

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Uhhuh, my GID blues goes on... :( - Case SOLVED!

2005-11-28 Thread Mark Sapiro
Niemi Hannu wrote:

What is strange is that the wrappers in the aliases file was just the
same as in the mailman aliases file, so it still beats me, why it didn't
work. But, let's hope this cured the problem until forever! :)

The problem wasn't with the wrapper per se or with which wrapper was
invoked as there was only one. The problem was that Postfix invokes
the wrapper as the user/group of the owner of the aliases.db file that
the alias came from. In your case, you had two different
aliases/aliases.db files with different owners, each containing some
mailman aliases, so the wrapper wasn't being invoked with a consistent
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Re: [Mailman-Users] New lists fail... Do I need to create aliases forExim?

2005-11-28 Thread Mark Sapiro
Andrew Steele wrote:

I'm presuming that the web interface is not creating aliases or some 
such thing.


Right. List creation only actually _creates_ aliases if MTA = Postfix.


I see that in the ALIASES file there are a series of entries relating 
to the test list but not the other lists created via the web 
interface. However, I was advised that the mailer used by the ISP 
does not require aliases.  

The mailer at the ISP is Exim 4.43.  


Which does not require aliases IF it is properly configured to work
with Mailman.


If I can advise the ISP tech guys on the necessary fix then that 
would probably speed up a fix so any advice gratefully received.  
Equally, I'd be pleased to apply a fix myself provided it does not 
require root access.  


It requires the ability to change the Exim configuration (maybe in
/etc/exim.conf, but maybe elsewhere).

http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node16.html has the basics, and
may well be enough. The full story is at
http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

2005-11-28 Thread Mark Sapiro
Par Leijonhufvud wrote:

On some mailman lists there is a total archive that can be downloaded,
not just the montly files.  How do I get that on my list?


PUBLIC_MBOX = Yes

In mm_cfg.py will make the link appear on index pages and will cause a
symlink to the private .mbox to be created in the public directory the
next time the list/archive is updated.

With or without the hyperlink and/or symlink, you can always access the
cumulative mailbox via a URL like
http://www.example.com/mailman/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox,
but this requires authorization as a list member or admin even if the
archive is public, and may require reentry of the URL after
authorization (bug 1080943).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Uhhuh, my GID blues goes on... :( - Case SOLVED!

2005-11-28 Thread John Dennis
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 10:23 +0200, Niemi Hannu wrote:
  This would seem to say that postfix is using two different 
  GIDs to invoke the wrapper depending on the list (or, if this 
  is the case, on where the list's aliases come from). I think 
  you need to carefully look over your Postfix configuration 
  and see if it might be getting mailman aliases from two 
  different places and using different GIDs for the different places.
 
 Aargh.. I feel dumb, dumber, dumbest...
 
 Though, I still don't 100% grab it, I managed to solve the problem,
 which was MUUUCH silleer I did even anticipate. I had read the postfix
 configuration many times through but forgot to check the postfix
 aliases-file, which had all the vintage lists in it. After removing the
 lists form the aliases file everything started to act logically. 
 
 I did put the lists in there when setting the listserver fast up after
 the previous server crashed (physiaclly). Afterwards I added the
 mailman-generated aliases-file into postfix aliases and just forgot to
 delete the mailman-related aliases from the aliases file. As the lists
 worked all right (through the probably primary aliases file) I didn't
 notice any problems during that time. The problem just manifested itself
 as now, as we needed a new list. 
 
 What is strange is that the wrappers in the aliases file was just the
 same as in the mailman aliases file, so it still beats me, why it didn't
 work. But, let's hope this cured the problem until forever! :)

The reason is because of a Postfix feature. Postfix will by default,
although it is configurable, run external commands found in an alias
file under the uid/gid of alias file it found the alias in. Thus you can
have postfix run external commands using a specific uid/gid by
partitioning your aliases into separate files, all of which share a
common uid/gid requirement. If you keep all the mailman aliases in an
mailman only alias file with mailman specific uid/gid then when those
aliases instruct postfix to run a command (e.g. the wrapper) then it
will do so with the uid/gid of the mailman alias file.

In your case you ended up with a mixed bag of aliases and depending on
which bag the alias was found in first you got the uid/gid of that bag,
hence the seemingly inconsistent behavior, which was in fact very
consistent.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] ban member from joining not working

2005-11-28 Thread Mark Sapiro
Rae wrote:

Thanks for the response. I did have a specific email address in the 
ban list and that specific email address was able to subscribe even 
though the list's subscription is set to confirm. Any ideas as to 
what else I should look for or do to prevent this from happening again?

Actually, when I said the ban list only bans specific email addresses
from subscribing, I was forgetting that the ban list can also contain
regexps, but that isn't the issue here.

The ban list will prevent subscribing a banned address directly, but I
think there is a way around it. Namely, if addr1 is banned, a person
who can receive confirmations sent to another address can subscribe
that address and then change the subscription address to addr1. I
haven't verified this, but I think it's true. If so, I think it's a
bug.

In your case, you can check Mailman's 'subscribe' log to see if the
banned address actually subscribed, or possibly identify a different
address that subscribed and was possibly later changed to the banned
address. Unfortunately for this investigation, address changes aren't
logged or reported.

subscribe_policy = confirm only means the user has to confirm. It has
nothing to do with banning per se.

As far as prevention is concerned, be sure that admin_notify_mchanges
is Yes so you will be notified of subscribes and unsubscribes (but not
address changes), and consider setting subscribe_policy to 'Require
approval' or 'Confirm and approve'.

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[Mailman-Users] Perl CGI and permission issues

2005-11-28 Thread Xiaoyan Ma
For a number of reasons (authentication and talking to the mail server through 
CLI) we are working 
on Perl CGI scripts to allow authenticated users create new mailing list 
through web interface, 
but we are
running into permission issues. Can someone tell us what the permissions and 
owners of the 
following files need to be set to?

- The CGI Script being called from the web
- newlist
- config_list

Right now when we try and call newlist from the CGI script, we get a 
permissions error. Has anyone 
set anything up like this before?

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Perl CGI and permission issues

2005-11-28 Thread Mark Sapiro
Xiaoyan Ma wrote:

Can someone tell us what the permissions and owners of the 
following files need to be set to?

- The CGI Script being called from the web

If your web server runs this as group 'mailman', that would probably
suffice, but see below.

- newlist
- config_list

Right now when we try and call newlist from the CGI script, we get a 
permissions error.

The scripts in the bin/ directory are not SETGID. This is intentional.
You don't want anyone who happens to have shell access to your box to
be able to create and configure lists. Thus the scripts have to be run
by some user who can create and update files in the mailman hierarchy
- the lists/ directory in particular in this case. Usually, this is
root or the mailman user.

If you make newlist and config_list SETGID, that might suffice, but I
suggest you also remove the world r and x permissions. E.g.

chmod 2750 newlist

Then you still have the problem that you have to run the script as
either the owner or group of the file, but you could change the owner
to the user that the CGI script runs as.

Alternatively, you could leave the bin/ scripts alone and make the CGI
script group mailman and SETGID.

Whatever you do, you'll probably wind up with a situation where you
have to insure that no one who isn't authorized to update mailman has
shell access to the box, unless you set the web server to run the CGI
as group mailman.

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[Mailman-Users] web list removal

2005-11-28 Thread Rakotomandimby Mihamina
Hi,

I have a 2.1.5 Mailman (Fedora RPM compiled version), and dont see
anywhere the link for list removal.

Would you help me to find it?
I know how to remove lists from the CLI, but the ML manaer wants to do
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Re: [Mailman-Users] web list removal

2005-11-28 Thread Mark Sapiro
Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:

I have a 2.1.5 Mailman (Fedora RPM compiled version), and dont see
anywhere the link for list removal.

Would you help me to find it?
I know how to remove lists from the CLI, but the ML manaer wants to do
it through the web interface.

In order to be able to remove lists via the web admin interface, you
must put

OWNERS_CAN_DELETE_THEIR_OWN_LISTS = Yes

in mm_cfg.py. If you do that, there will be a link on each admin page,
but see
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-November/047837.html
for a brief hint as to why this isn't the default.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] web list removal

2005-11-28 Thread gus
Mark

Can you help me

When I access to the files I see these error

The requested URL /pipermail/mailman/ was not found on this server.


Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) mod_python/3.1.3 Python/2.3.5 
PHP/4.3.10-16 mod_perl/1.999.21 Perl/v5.8.4 Server at 
piluso.clacso.edu.ar Port 80

Can you help me

thanks
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[Mailman-Users] Error - Connection Refused.

2005-11-28 Thread Michael Duffy
Hellp all,

I'm new at this, the person who generally does this for me has buggered
off.

Here goes.  I've just installed mailman on a freebsd 6 machine, running
with qmail.  Everything *seems* to be working except that posts are not
delivered, and the following entry is made in to mailman's smtp log.

Nov 28 11:02:20 2005 (720) Low level smtp error: (61, 'Connection
refused'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nov 28 11:02:20 2005 (720) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed
with code -1: (61, 'Connection refused')

No entry in made in to the qmail mail log.

Any ideas?

Cheers,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Error - Connection Refused.

2005-11-28 Thread Mark Sapiro
Michael Duffy wrote:

Here goes.  I've just installed mailman on a freebsd 6 machine, running
with qmail.  Everything *seems* to be working except that posts are not
delivered, and the following entry is made in to mailman's smtp log.

Nov 28 11:02:20 2005 (720) Low level smtp error: (61, 'Connection
refused'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nov 28 11:02:20 2005 (720) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed
with code -1: (61, 'Connection refused')

No entry in made in to the qmail mail log.


Mailman is attempting to connect to an SMTP server at address SMTPHOST
(default = 'localhost') and port SMTPPORT (default = 0 which means use
the default SMTP port = 25). qmail is not listening or not accepting
the connect.

See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.014.htp
for some diagnostics you can run from Python, but the most likely
explanation is qmail isn't listening on localhost (127.0.0.1) port 25.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] web list removal

2005-11-28 Thread Rakotomandimby Mihamina

 OWNERS_CAN_DELETE_THEIR_OWN_LISTS = Yes

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Re: [Mailman-Users] pipermail not found - [was: web list removal]

2005-11-28 Thread Mark Sapiro
gus wrote:

When I access to the files I see these error

The requested URL /pipermail/mailman/ was not found on this server.


Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) mod_python/3.1.3 Python/2.3.5 
PHP/4.3.10-16 mod_perl/1.999.21 Perl/v5.8.4 Server at 
piluso.clacso.edu.ar Port 80


See http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node10.html, particularly the
part about

 Alias   /pipermail/ $varprefix/archives/public/

(note that $varprefix stands for a path, not literally '$varprefix').

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

2005-11-28 Thread Par Leijonhufvud
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.11.28] wrote:
 Par Leijonhufvud wrote:
 
 On some mailman lists there is a total archive that can be downloaded,
 not just the montly files.  How do I get that on my list?
 
 
 PUBLIC_MBOX = Yes
 
 In mm_cfg.py will make the link appear on index pages and will cause a
 symlink to the private .mbox to be created in the public directory the
 next time the list/archive is updated.

What if the archives are private? 

/Par

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting the whole list parameters to another one.

2005-11-28 Thread Mark Sapiro
Dave Bevis1 wrote:

Is there a way to use config_list but have it leave certain values 
unchanged i.e. subject prefix or explicit reply to header or moderator 
etc.?


Yes. Just leave those things out of the input file. The input file only
needs to mention those attributes you want to change.


Can you apply the configuration to multiple lists in one command - 
./config_list -i newconfig list1, list2, list3...?


No. You have to create a shell script or similar to invoke config_list
on each list, one at a time.


And lastly, I am running this on a Mac OS X 10.3.9 server and have two 
files in my /bin directory - one is ./config_list and the other is 
./apple_config_list. They seem to do the same thing. Is there a 
difference? Do you need to use the ./apple... on OS X?


I don't know the answer to that one. Maybe there's another OS X server
Mailman user on this list that does.

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