[Mailman-Users] OutgoingRunner hangs and messages not delivered to mail lists
Greetings,
I have a problem with all of the mailing lists in our server.
Every day the qfiles/out directory gets hundreds of *.pck files not posted
to the mailing lists.
Manually, one can stop the master qrunner through mailmanctl stop and start
it again using mailmanctl start . But every time I ve done that theres a
lock and I manually removed the locks and issued the mailmanctl start .
That worked .
But , analysing the processes on the system I have noticed that are several
OutgoingRunner s , and the only way to get the messages posted to the
mailing lists is killing those processes.
All the archives works well that is: the messages are archived but not
posted I know that the archiving process is separated from posting.
Its quite unusual because its the first time (3 weeks ago) this is
happening after several years of using mailman.
I am managing about a hundred of mailing lists with thousands of users.
I am using:
Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS release 4
Python 2.3.4
mailman 2.1.9
sendmail-8.13.1-2
Ive searched through the mailman FAQs and Ive not found any clue.
I made a shell script in order to minimize the problem when I am on weekends
and have inserted on the cron (running every 10 minutes):
#!/bin/sh
/home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop
ps auxwf|grep python
ps ax |grep python|grep -v grep|gawk -F'{print $1;system(kill -9
$1)}'
/home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start
I would appreciate any help on this issue,
Joao Sa Marta
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Re: [Mailman-Users] OutgoingRunner hangs and messages not delivered tomail lists
João Sá Marta wrote: Every day the qfiles/out directory gets hundreds of *.pck files not posted to the mailing lists. Manually, one can stop the master qrunner through mailmanctl stop and start it again using mailmanctl start . But every time I've done that there's a lock and I manually removed the locks and issued the mailmanctl start . That worked . But , analysing the processes on the system I have noticed that are several OutgoingRunner's , and the only way to get the messages posted to the mailing lists is killing those processes. That's because you are force starting Mailman when it hasn't fully stopped. Lock files have a reason. See FAQ http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.068.htp. It's quite unusual because it's the first time (3 weeks ago) this is happening after several years of using mailman. It appears there may be some queued message in the out/ queue causing a problem. There may also be a problem between Mailman and Sendmail. What is in Mailman's 'smtp' and 'smtp-failure' logs and also Sendmail's logs? Is this a Debian Mailman and Python package? If so, see a couple of threads in the mailman-users archive. One thread begins at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2006-October/053942.html (the link above) and is a single thread in the archive. The other thread is broken in the archive because of many off-list replies, but in subject sequence, it is those messages with subjects [Mailman-Users] can't get mailman and exim4 talking on my debian 3.1 [Mailman-Users] slow processing [Mailman-Users] Still can't send out from Mailman If there is no problem evident in the smtp or smtp-failure logs, look for an older message in the out/ queue and try moving it aside. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate attachements saved in archive directory?
On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 16:57 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: Xueshan Feng wrote: List's attachments seemed saved twice with different names in archives directory. For example, one is attachement.pdf, another one attachment-0001.pdf. The latter is the one used in the URL that replaces the attachement in the oringal email. Whether or not this happens depends on the setting of scrub_nondigest and whether or not the list is digestable. If scrub_nondigest is Yes, the original message is scrubbed and attachments are saved and replaced by URLs in the original message. Then when the message is archived and the digest (if any) is produced, there are no attachments, only links. If scrub_nondigest is No, the original message is sent with attachments. The message is scrubbed for the archive and attachments are saved and replaced by URLs. If the list is digestable, the message is also put in the list's digest.mbox with attachments and when the plain digest is produced, it is scrubbed again and duplicate copies of the attachments are saved with different names and replaced by URLs. Thus each saved attachment has two copies, one of which is referenced by the archived message and the other of which is referenced by the message in the plain digest. Ah thanks for the clear explanation. I'd never thought this had to do with list digest policy. Our system wide scrub_nodigest is False, default value from installation, and my test list is digestable, like most lists on our systems, hence the two copies of same attachment. If I make mylist nodigestable, then only one copy of attachement is saved. Xueshan -- -- -- Xueshan Feng (aka. Susan Feng) Shared Services, ITSS Stanford University, CA 94305-3090 255 Panama St. Room 157, Polya Hall Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-4136 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Private archive file not found
Thanks for the help. I found the problem. We had a new mod_security rule that was causing the problem. I fixed the rule, and everything's working again. Thanks, Rob On 11/2/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Smithers wrote: That's what I thought at first, but the rewrite modules is disabled in the Apache config, and there are not even commented rewrite rules in the httpd.conf. I've checked through the directory structure, and there are no .htaccess files enabling mod_rewrite, or setting any rewrite rules. What's in Apache's logs for these GETs? Do you have any public archives? If so, do public archive URLs work? You could do some tests. Try manually entering URLs in your browser like http://example.com/bad/path/to/thread.html http://example.com/mailman/noscript/nolist/thread.html http://example.com/mailman/admin/thelist/thread.html and see what happens. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't send messages to list
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py That is the file i patched SMTPDirect.py 57 class Connection: 58 def __init__(self): 59 self.__conn = None 60 61 def __connect(self): 62 self.__conn = smtplib.SMTP() 63 self.__conn.set_debuglevel(1) 64 self.__conn.connect(mm_cfg.SMTPHOST, mm_cfg.SMTPPORT) 65 self.__numsessions=mm_cfg.SMTP_MAX_SESSIONS_PER_CONNECTION Is there a way to manually get the debug info from smtplib (conversation with postfix) within this file? Temporary SOLUTION. After placing a bug report in debian, i have been given two files to make debug information work. replacements for /usr/lib/python2.3/smtplib.py and /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.py that will enable smtplib-debugging to work (you still have to patch SMTPDirect.py) I went in and renamed smtplib.py to smtplib.py.1 put the new file in and deleted smtplib.pyc ad smtplib.pyo Then renamed /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.py to Utils.py.1 (make sure its this one...there is at least 5 files called Utils.py) put the new file in and deleted Utils.pyc and Utils.pyo then /etc/init.d/mailman restart tail -f /var/log/mailman/error while i was watching this i sent an emial to my testing group, etc. Long story short. I replaced these files, removed pyc and pyo and suddenly everything works like magic again. No more timeouts. I'll try to get originals back in place and see how that works. I'll keep you posted. You can get the files from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=395493 Lukasz And, why they stop is what we're trying to figure out, and I can't tell you any more than I already have without additional information. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't send messages to list
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: After placing a bug report in debian, i have been given two files to make debug information work. replacements for /usr/lib/python2.3/smtplib.py and /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.py that will enable smtplib-debugging to work (you still have to patch SMTPDirect.py) I have looked at the bug report and the two files. I now see I was mistaken in that I was all along looking at the Python 2.4 smtplib.py. It turns out that Python 2.3 smtplib.py does write debug output to stdout, not stderr which explains why you weren't seeing it. Long story short. I replaced these files, removed pyc and pyo and suddenly everything works like magic again. No more timeouts. I'll try to get originals back in place and see how that works. I'll keep you posted. The change to Logging/Utils.py only affects logging of stderr, thus I wouldn't expect this to affect the original issue. It would be interesting to see the differences between the original smtplib.py (now named smtplib.py.1) and the replacement. Do they only add import sys and replace print with print sys.stderr,, or are there other changes. If there are no other changes, I am guessing that the real problem is some kind of corruption in the .pyc or .pyo files that you deleted. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] New Mailman Installation - Can't Send Email to a New List
Greetings, We've recently installed Mailman 2.1.9 on our server. We have installed and configured Mailman in a postfix environment that is using mysql (See our server configuration at the bottom of this email). We can create a new list, log onto the admin and user web interface. However, we are unable to send email to a newly created list. When we try to send an email, the send process hangs with the following message: Alert An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in the local recipient table. Please verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preference and try again. We've followed the instructions in the pages below and still been unable to fix the problem: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.007.htp http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.014.htp We've noticed that the .../data/virtual-mailman.db does not populate. Running genaliases populates the .../data/aliases and ./data/aliases.db. Adding a new list updates the aliases.db, but in either case, the virtual-mailman and virtual-mailman.db files have no data. Questions: 1) Is our inability to send email to the lists due to the fact that the virtual db files aren't being populated? 2) If so, how do we fix this for our already created lists? 3) If so, how do we fix things so that lists we create from now on don't have this problem? Regards, Jeff = Server Configuration Linux version 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 Postfix mail_version = 2.2.5 -2 virtual domains -multiple aliases for each virtual domain phpMyAdmin 2.7.0-pl1 -MySQL 4.1.14-log SquirrelMail version 1.4.5 Mailman version: 2.1.9 (not fully functional at this point) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] debian/exim4/mailman
hello all, I am trying to setup a mailing list with mailman. Let me give you the background. 1) I have a website that I want to maintain a list for but my host provider charges me if I run a list through that hosts. So I figured I could run a list from my own personal machine and use remote smtp to just mail to the list. ( its going to be an announcement list only). Well, I am running debian and home and I was able to finally get exim4 talking with gmail and use googles smtp servers. When I do a send from the command line I see the messages go out and they are received. The message has the headers and looks as if its comes from my websites domain. Now, I am trying to install mailman. I created a test list and here are a couple of things I can't do and need help. 1) When I create a list I get a message saying a new list is created and here is the password to admin it etc. I follow the links in the page and it takes me back to my home machine and I see the mailman pages. I can admin and add users. I cannot send an email to the list though... I have other things I need a different outlook on but lets get me mailing to the list first. Thanks Eric Walker - Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the new Yahoo.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman Installation - Can't Send Email to aNew List
mcjathan wrote: 1) Is our inability to send email to the lists due to the fact that the virtual db files aren't being populated? Maybe. Have you set up POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS in mm_cfg.py per http://www.list.org/mailman-install/postfix-virtual.html 2) If so, how do we fix this for our already created lists? If the problem is that you havent set POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS, fix it and then run bin/genaliases. 3) If so, how do we fix things so that lists we create from now on don't have this problem? Assuming you have set MTA = 'Postfix' and properly set POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS in mm_cfg.py, list creation should update data/aliases* and data/virtual-mailman* automatically. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] debian/exim4/mailman
Eric Walker wrote: 1) I have a website that I want to maintain a list for but my host provider charges me if I run a list through that hosts. So I figured I could run a list from my own personal machine and use remote smtp to just mail to the list. ( its going to be an announcement list only). Well, I am running debian and home and I was able to finally get exim4 talking with gmail and use googles smtp servers. Why not just let Exim connect directly to the recipients' smtp servers? When I do a send from the command line I see the messages go out and they are received. The message has the headers and looks as if its comes from my websites domain. Now, I am trying to install mailman. I created a test list and here are a couple of things I can't do and need help. 1) When I create a list I get a message saying a new list is created and here is the password to admin it etc. I follow the links in the page and it takes me back to my home machine and I see the mailman pages. I can admin and add users. I cannot send an email to the list though... You have at least two choices: You can use bin/inject to put a post into Mailman's 'in' queue, or you can set up Exim/Mailman integration (see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.019.htp), and set up an MUA (email client) to post to the smtp server on 'localhost' and send posts through it. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] debian/exim4/mailman
Eric Walker wrote: 1) how do I do that, not sure what you mean. Are you saying connect directly to my web hosts smtp server? 2) not sure what your saying here. Are you saying set up a local smtp server and then through an email client post to the list and have the local server forward emails? If you have both Exim and Mailman running on your own computer, Exim can deliver incoming mail to mailman and Exim can accept outgoing mail from Mailman and send it directly to the recipients without involving an intermediate ISP. If you don't have a domain name and/or a fixed IP address, it is a bit tricky to get mail from the internet to your local Exim, but if all you want to do is post to your own list from your own computer, it is a simple matter to set up Exim to listen for SMTP connects on 'localhost' port 25, and it is also fairly simple to set up an MUA (email client) to deliver its outgoing mail to the SMTP server on 'localhost' port 25. You then use this MUA account/personality/whatever you call it to send a message to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and Exim can accept it and deliver it to Mailman for 'mylist'. On the outbound side, Mailman delivers the mail to Exim on 'localhost' port 25, and Exim sends it to the recipients directly via SMTP connections to the recipient domains. Your web host's SMTP server is not involved at all. This may or may not work for you because some remote servers will not accept mail from an SMTP server (MTA) that doesn't identify itself with a domain name that resolves to it's IP address, so that can be a 'gotcha' if you don't have a fixed IP address that has a reverse DNS entry. Also, please include the list in replies. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] debian/exim4/mailman
Ok, This is what I am proposing to do with your new information. 1) I found out that godaddy(my hosting account) does allow at least 250 free relays per day from my exisitng email accounts. Thats great for the time being. Well, If I can get the exim to send mails to it, then I think I have half the battle done. so help me with this first. I have been using the telnet smtp server 25 test. everytime it says 553 Sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts. But, I configure my local (MUA kmail) and all goes fine. what am I missing to get a telnet test connection. Also, I think I need to autheticate to this smtp server but not sure how on the telnet command line. Thanks Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Walker wrote: 1) how do I do that, not sure what you mean. Are you saying connect directly to my web hosts smtp server? 2) not sure what your saying here. Are you saying set up a local smtp server and then through an email client post to the list and have the local server forward emails? If you have both Exim and Mailman running on your own computer, Exim can deliver incoming mail to mailman and Exim can accept outgoing mail from Mailman and send it directly to the recipients without involving an intermediate ISP. If you don't have a domain name and/or a fixed IP address, it is a bit tricky to get mail from the internet to your local Exim, but if all you want to do is post to your own list from your own computer, it is a simple matter to set up Exim to listen for SMTP connects on 'localhost' port 25, and it is also fairly simple to set up an MUA (email client) to deliver its outgoing mail to the SMTP server on 'localhost' port 25. You then use this MUA account/personality/whatever you call it to send a message to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and Exim can accept it and deliver it to Mailman for 'mylist'. On the outbound side, Mailman delivers the mail to Exim on 'localhost' port 25, and Exim sends it to the recipients directly via SMTP connections to the recipient domains. Your web host's SMTP server is not involved at all. This may or may not work for you because some remote servers will not accept mail from an SMTP server (MTA) that doesn't identify itself with a domain name that resolves to it's IP address, so that can be a 'gotcha' if you don't have a fixed IP address that has a reverse DNS entry. Also, please include the list in replies. -- Mark SapiroThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan - Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] REvising text of attachment scrubbed message?
Is there any way to revise the text that is inserted into a message when an attachment has been scrubbed? Right now it reads something like: -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Captions 1.ppt Type: application/vnd.ms-powerpoint Size: 3889664 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.dhat.org/mailman/private/proto-announce/attachments/20061103/5 8c6b63a/attachment.ppt http://lists.dhat.org/mailman/private/proto-announce/attachments/20061103/59 c6b63a/attachment.ppt The idea of making attachments available as an optional download is great, but my non-techie users are never going to understand the first two lines of the preceding message. If something has been scrubbed, that would imply to most people (or at least to me) that it has been washed away and is no longer available. ~ TIA ~ Ken -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] REvising text of attachment scrubbed message?
Ken Winter wrote: Is there any way to revise the text that is inserted into a message when an attachment has been scrubbed? Only by changing the actual message text which is coded in the Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py module. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
