[Mailman-Users] Interesting request...
AOL has implemented a abuse reporting system. IF someone who legitimately subscribes to the list (for whatever reason) marks the list traffic as SPAM, AOL will email a report to the server owner (if they sign up) with an abuse report. The BAD part about that is, that AOL will not tell you WHO it is. The best suggestion is to embed a piece of identifiable data into each message so you KNOW who the user is who received the email. Not knowing exactly how MailMan handles sending of email (maybe this makes a difference on performance, too) would it be hard to put this piece of data into each message mailed? Or perhaps as an on/off option? Perhaps (and this might take more work than is wanted) a userid field in the membership db (this message sent to listname-xx) where xx is the user's id. Or perhaps just an MD5 hash of the user email address and some sort of util to dump the addresses / hash values into a text file so you can look up who it is who's abusing that kind of thing, so that you can handle their unsubscribe or whatever... Just some thoughts.. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Interesting request...
At 3:22 AM -0600 1/20/07, Rob Poe wrote: AOL has implemented a abuse reporting system. IF someone who legitimately subscribes to the list (for whatever reason) marks the list traffic as SPAM, AOL will email a report to the server owner (if they sign up) with an abuse report. Yup. This is a well-known issue. Not knowing exactly how MailMan handles sending of email (maybe this makes a difference on performance, too) would it be hard to put this piece of data into each message mailed? Or perhaps as an on/off option? I suggest you read the FAQ before you do anything else on this subject. And note that I wrote most of what is in the FAQ on this subject, and that I am the former Sr. Internet Mail Administrator for AOL. Their abuse reporting system was implemented after I left, but I know all too well just how some of their processes work internally. Perhaps (and this might take more work than is wanted) a userid field in the membership db (this message sent to listname-xx) where xx is the user's id. Or perhaps just an MD5 hash of the user email address and some sort of util to dump the addresses / hash values into a text file so you can look up who it is who's abusing that kind of thing, so that you can handle their unsubscribe or whatever... Check out the FAQ entries that discuss personalization. Once you've done that, if there is anything more that you would like to discuss, this would be a good place to do so. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED], Consultant Author Co-author of SAGE Booklet #15 Internet Postmaster: Duties and Responsibilities Founding Member and Platinum Individual Sponsor of LOPSA: http://www.lopsa.org Papers: http://tinyurl.com/tj6q4 LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] subscribe people without notify
Hi all, I manage a website that has a newsletter. The newsletter is send by the website embeded PHP script. I would like to switch to a mailman based newsletter. An announce only Mailing list, then. I will have to batch subscribe thousands of email adresses, but I dont want them to be affraid by the subscription notification of Mailman. I know they will be, even we announced the switch. They was event affraid of the annouce of the switch, think then... Well. Any suggestion? Thanks in advance. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribe people without notify
Mihamina Rakotomandimby (R12y) wrote: I will have to batch subscribe thousands of email adresses, but I dont want them to be affraid by the subscription notification of Mailman. Use the web admin interface for the list. Look under Membership management - Mass subscription. Set subscribe or invite to subscribe and send welcome message to new subscribees to no. Job done! :) Ben -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Mailman users list
I gather from what I read, that if I don't own the server my list is hosted, there is no way to get a full membership list with emails and names. I have found some reference to changing the general information page, but again I don't own the installed instance of Mailman. Charles -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] problems with gid when installing
Hi All, I tried to install mailman on my slackware system with postfix (mysql virtual domains) and apache.. I followed the whole mnual ,except the thing about the virtual domains.. I will do this later on. When i want to go to the page www.domain.tld/mailman/create, I get the error below: Mailman CGI error!!! %s --with-cgi-gidwebCGI--with-mail-gidmail-SThe Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog:Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the %s wrapper script to be executed as group %s, but the system's %s server executed the %s script as group %s. Try tweaking the %s server to run the script as group %s, or re-run configure, providing the command line option `%s=%s'.Failure to find group name for GID %d. Mailman expected the %s wrapper to be executed as group %s, but the system's %s server executed the wrapper as GID %d for which the name could not be found. Try adding GID %d to your system as %s, or tweak your %s server to run the wrapper as group %s.nobodycreateMailman cgi-wrapper (create)driver$ Ð I already reinstalled with the follwing options: ./configure --with-mail-gid = postfix --with-cgi-gid = nobody make make install Postfix has the owner and group postfix and Apache nobody.. Could someone please help me and advise? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman users list
Charles M. Owen wrote: I gather from what I read, that if I don't own the server my list is hosted, there is no way to get a full membership list with emails and names. I have found some reference to changing the general information page, but again I don't own the installed instance of Mailman. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.062.htp. Particularly the links to scripts that scrape the web admin membership list. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with gid when installing
Peter Coolen wrote: When i want to go to the page www.domain.tld/mailman/create, I get the error below: Mailman CGI error!!! %s --with-cgi-gidwebCGI--with-mail-gidmail-SThe Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog:Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the %s wrapper script to be executed as group %s, but the system's %s server executed the %s script as group %s. Try tweaking the %s server to run the script as group %s, or re-run configure, providing the command line option `%s=%s'.Failure to find group name for GID %d. Mailman expected the %s wrapper to be executed as group %s, but the system's %s server executed the wrapper as GID %d for which the name could not be found. Try adding GID %d to your system as %s, or tweak your %s server to run the wrapper as group %s.nobodycreateMailman cgi-wrapper (create)driver$ Ð… There is something wrong with your web server configuration. Instead of executing Mailman's cgi-bin/create wrapper and serving it's output, the web server is serving the wrapper file as text. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman users list
Charles M. Owen wrote: I have found some reference to changing the general information page, but again I don't own the installed instance of Mailman. The list's General information page (listinfo) can be edited via the web admin interface Edit the public HTML pages and text files link. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman users list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 20, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Charles M. Owen wrote: I gather from what I read, that if I don't own the server my list is hosted, there is no way to get a full membership list with emails and names. If you know the list password you can send the email command 'who' to the -request address. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBRbJiyXEjvBPtnXfVAQJF9gP/X12I1zI1R0npp+x+haEkZcePKOI45VXu 3Spq7//XHglJtmN0qdlLLXFq02TzBCUbciw9vafI+xLdWc3c1dGD9u9CxrR5080/ x+WsQfvToWN9ZxHMTD9+yqBq5XEm9a+gZ886Fm3eRoEqpeQILoQelRsnXd59xqo8 6Q9mhiCISUk= =BgP3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman users list
Barry Warsaw wrote: If you know the list password you can send the email command 'who' to the -request address. The results don't include hidden members. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman users list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: If you know the list password you can send the email command 'who' to the -request address. The results don't include hidden members. Right. Yep, I think there should be a way for list owners to get this information via the web or email. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBRbJt5HEjvBPtnXfVAQKoPAP+KWKeICwUywAAVxzO87A9XMn5YVNiKZMs AY/pesdcJ8d7orx3IRbFuk6vqGwe2HqondAO1YICs3zY5jV8+KPQa1emCsnFNWJt zxQPocLzSp7eNQp0TEO33Ytv33Hcqteyb3QEaZQMeguFXfvB/lUY117IWQk8Wpl+ Xbi688qfVlg= =MS+q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman users list
Barry Warsaw On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: If you know the list password you can send the email command 'who' to the -request address. The results don't include hidden members. Right. Yep, I think there should be a way for list owners to get this information via the web or email. There is a patch at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1587651group_id=103atid=300103 for the web roster. I'll look at picking that up and also modifying cmd_who to show the full list if validation is with the admin or moderator password. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] doc patch for postfix virtual domain config
hi -- i'm new at both mailman and postfix, but i thought i'd
try and reduce someone else's pain when trying to do what i've
been trying to do.
i spent a bunch of time last night very confused because i couldn't
do a configuration of a mailman list in a postfix virtual domain.
from what i read in the docs, it seemed like it should Just Work.
and it would have, except i made one crucial mistake.
it turns out that the information i needed to do it right was in the
output of bin/newlist -h, but not in any other doc that i found.
(it may be elsewhere, i just didn't find it elsewhere, even after
a lot of searching.) the missing piece was that when setting up
the list, _that's_ when you have to declare it as being in a virtual
domain. not later. and while there's an oblique reference in
section 6.1.2 to the host_name attribute of a list, this didn't
jump out at me, and it might not have helped -- it's the only
reference in the docs.
here's a doc patch that would have helped me a lot. (i don't have
tex or texinfo installed, so i wasn't able to actually try this
patch.)
it might also be worth adding mention of the postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py
script that's fairly widely found when googling, if only to explain
why one doesn't need it. i understand that while this works (and
i assume is similar to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s technique, referenced in
the docs), it's sub-optimal especially in the face of spam
dictionary attacks. (at least, i read that somewhere on the
internet last night -- so it must be true!) anyway, i didn't add
anything about this, because i don't really feel qualified, but again,
it would have helped.
thanks,
paul
--- mailman-install.tex.origSat Jan 20 14:46:39 2007
+++ mailman-install.tex Sat Jan 20 15:03:19 2007
@@ -555,6 +555,23 @@
against the \var{host_name} attribute of mailing lists objects, and must be an
exact match.
+Note that virtual alias mappings will only be created (obviously) by
+\program{bin/genaliases} for lists which are addressed in a virtual domain.
+Thus, if you ran
+\begin{verbatim}
+% bin/newlist mylist
+\end{verbatim}
+then you will not get virtual alias mappings in
+\file{/usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman}, but if you ran
+\begin{verbatim}
+% bin/newlist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+\end{verbatim}
+(which will set the \var{host_name} attribute for the list) then
+you will. (You will, however, get direct alias entries, i.e. in
+\file{/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases}, for both virtual and non-virtual
+lists -- both sets of entries are necessary for lists in virtual
+domains to work.)
+
Here's an example. Say that Postfix is configured to handle the virtual
domains \code{dom1.ain}, \code{dom2.ain}, and \code{dom3.ain}, and further
that in your \file{main.cf} file you've got the following settings:
=-
paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (arlington, ma, where it's 21.0 degrees)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with gid when installing
There is something wrong with your web server configuration. Instead of executing Mailman's cgi-bin/create wrapper and serving it's output, the web server is serving the wrapper file as text. -- Do you have any idea how to fix this problem with my web server configuration? It is Apache 1.3.36 Below are some setting from apache: LoadModule cgi_module libexec/apache/mod_cgi.so AddModule mod_cgi.c User nobody Group nobody Alias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ Options Indexes FollowSymlinks MultiViews ExecCGI AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory ScriptAlias /mailman/ usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .py Thanks for all help -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with gid when installing
Peter Coolen wrote: Do you have any idea how to fix this problem with my web server configuration? It is Apache 1.3.36 Alias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ The above line overrides the ScriptAlias below. Remove it. Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ Options Indexes FollowSymlinks MultiViews ExecCGI AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory ScriptAlias /mailman/ usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .py -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with gid when installing
Mark Sapiro wrote: Peter Coolen wrote: Do you have any idea how to fix this problem with my web server configuration? It is Apache 1.3.36 Alias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ The above line overrides the ScriptAlias below. Remove it. Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ Options Indexes FollowSymlinks MultiViews ExecCGI AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory ScriptAlias /mailman/ usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .py Other issues in your apache config. The Directory section should be /usr/local/mailman/, not /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/. This is primarily for public archives. Also, if you are going to have public archives, you want Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ Finally, the AddHandler is superfluous for Mailman. The only GGIs executed by Apache for Mailman are the compiled wrappers in usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ which normally have no extension (unless you specified --with-cgi-ext to configure). Python scripts are executed indirectly by the wrapper, not directly by Apache. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
