Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman error after server crash
Thx again, I'll tell you later how did things go. And what solution prevale. Sincerely, Carlos Mark Sapiro escribió: Carlos Bergero wrote: Thx for the tip Mark, I remove the file but and the error stop, but the list disapear from the list_lists, If you removed only config.pck and not config.pck.last, you should either get the error again or the list should be there. I try with some cofnig.pck.last file that was in a backup dir but those files where corrupt also. Is there any way to edit this file and fix it or recover it in some way? If you don't have a good backup of the config.pck or config.pck.last, you could try running bin/dumpdb on the files you have. This may produce some information that you can use, or you can run strings on the files to try to extract the email addresses of the list members. You will have to extract what info you can from the files and then recreate the list and use what you have to add members, etc. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages have stopped getting delivered to mailinglists
Here is what I see in the vette log. Jun 05 14:51:22 2008 (29076) Mailman post from held, message-id=n/a: Message has implicit destination ~ When I run /u001/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman /dev/null I receive the following message Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group mail, but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group mailman. Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group mail, or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailman'. I am a bit skeptical to act on this error since I am getting the exact same error on my test mailman server which works fine. Also, running the ./configure will erase many of the changes that I have made manually in several files. Any suggestions? Theona Williams -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:44 PM To: Williams, Theona; mailman-users@python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Messages have stopped getting delivered to mailinglists Williams, Theona wrote: Received the following errors in /var/log/mailman/error file when I tried python /u001/mailman/scripts/post mailman /dev/null Jun 05 14:51:25 2008 mailowner(32760): mailowner script, list not found: mailman Jun 05 14:51:25 2008 bounces(32761): bounces script, list not found: mailman Neither of those relates to the command you gave. The first is from the 'owner' script and the second is from the 'bounces' script. Was there anything in the vette log? If the post script invoked by python /u001/mailman/scripts/post mailman /dev/null had issued the 'list not found' error, it would have been issued to the terminal, so that indicates it didn't encounter that error. This in turn indicates the wrapper that invokes the post, etc. scripts is not invoking those in /u001/mailman/scripts/. This could mean that /u001/mailman/mail/mailman was compiled with a different path (strings /u001/mailman/mail/mailman might reveal this), or it could mean you are running sendmail with smrsh, and the 'mailman' link in the smrsh file (/var/adm/sm.bin, or where ever it happens to reside on your system - alternatives include /etc/smrsh, /var/smrsh and /usr/local/smrsh.) points to a different wrapper entirely. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages have stopped getting delivered to mailinglists
Williams, Theona wrote: Here is what I see in the vette log. Jun 05 14:51:22 2008 (29076) Mailman post from held, message-id=3Dn/a: Message has implicit destination Right. This says you successfully delivered a null message to Mailman via the /u001/mailman/scripts/post script which in turn says that that post script works for your installation. When I run /u001/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman /dev/null I receive the following message Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group mail, but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group mailman. Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group mail, or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailman'. I am a bit skeptical to act on this error since I am getting the exact same error on my test mailman server which works fine. This error occurs because when you run the wrapper manually, you have to run it as the expected group. My bad - I neglected to say that. Try sudo -u mail /u001/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman /dev/null Also, running the ./configure will erase many of the changes that I have made manually in several files. Any suggestions? I don't know what changes you've made, but 1. you should never change Defaults.py. Override Defaults.py settingn in mm_cfg.py which will not be overwritten by configure - make install. 2. if you make changes to Mailman modules, etc. keep all the changes in a master patch file that can just be applied to redo the changes. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages have stopped getting delivered to mailinglists
If the post script is working fine, do you know what else could be the
problem? When I run
python /u001/mailman/scripts/post mailman /dev/null then
sudo -u mail /u001/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman /dev/null
I am getting errors for the bounce and mailowner scripts in the
/var/log/mailman/error file
Jun 06 14:26:33 2008 mailowner(874): mailowner script, list not found:
mailman
Jun 06 14:26:53 2008 mailowner(883): mailowner script, list not found:
mailman
Jun 06 14:26:53 2008 bounces(884): bounces script, list not found:
mailman
Jun 06 14:30:02 2008 post(916): post script, list not found: mailman
~
In logs/smtp-failure
Jun 06 14:26:53 2008 (784) All recipients refused: {'': (550, '5.1.1
None... U
ser unknown')}, msgid:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jun 06 14:26:53 2008 (784) delivery to failed with code 550: 5.1.1
None... User unknown
~
Thanks,
Theona Williams
-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:22 AM
To: Williams, Theona; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Messages have stopped getting delivered to
mailinglists
Williams, Theona wrote:
Here is what I see in the vette log.
Jun 05 14:51:22 2008 (29076) Mailman post from held, message-id=3Dn/a:
Message has implicit destination
Right. This says you successfully delivered a null message to Mailman
via the /u001/mailman/scripts/post script which in turn says that that
post script works for your installation.
When I run /u001/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman /dev/null
I receive the following message
Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail
wrapper script to be executed as group mail, but
the system's mail server executed the mail script as
group mailman. Try tweaking the mail server to run the
script as group mail, or re-run configure,
providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mailman'.
I am a bit skeptical to act on this error since I am getting the exact
same error on my test mailman server which works fine.
This error occurs because when you run the wrapper manually, you have
to run it as the expected group. My bad - I neglected to say that. Try
sudo -u mail /u001/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman /dev/null
Also, running the
./configure will erase many of the changes that I have made manually in
several files. Any suggestions?
I don't know what changes you've made, but
1. you should never change Defaults.py. Override Defaults.py settingn
in mm_cfg.py which will not be overwritten by configure - make install.
2. if you make changes to Mailman modules, etc. keep all the changes in
a master patch file that can just be applied to redo the changes.
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[Mailman-Users] Mail getting stuck in queue
Intermittently, but increasingly frequently, the mailman I'm running is getting into a state where messages are received and archived, but not logged in the posts file or sent out by smtp. This situation usually resolves itself after I kick it enough. Maybe it would resolve itself if I didn't kick it at all. I would like to understand what's happening, so I can either stop it happening, or kick it more efficiently. This is on a mailman 2.1.10 installed from source on ubuntu 7.10. The machine is running postfix. The mail log indicates that postfix has passed the stuck mails to mailman: Jun 6 12:12:47 serpent postfix/local[12334]: 8139F240324: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=0.31, delays=0.05/0.01/0/0.25, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /home/mailman/mail/mailman post bonnienews) I've checked all the things in http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.078.htp. At one point, there was a second (old) OutgoingRunner process after I had stopped and started mailmanctl several times, which I had to kill by hand, but usually this isn't the case. Here's my kick_mailman.sh script; I also reboot the system when I've tried this and it hasn't worked. When the queue gets unclogged, it isn't ever immediately after any of these things, including the reboot. There are errors in the error log: Jun 05 13:38:41 2008 (7364) Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: /home/mailman/qfiles/out/1212668722.1033101+99ec79fd321b54afb77e0ef5c8b0f5d2625e6aea.bak Jun 06 13:07:58 2008 (12803) Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: /home/mailman/qfiles/out/1212763581.350471+f1f22720a6342cd0ce99e4d29a21251f7440d973.bak and in the smtp-failure log: Jun 06 13:11:29 2008 (16109) Low level smtp error: (4, 'Interrupted system call'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 06 13:56:33 2008 (5154) SMTP session failure: 250, ok, msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 06 13:56:33 2008 (5154) delivery to redacted@gmail.com failed with code -1: (4, 'Interrupted system call') What is happening between when mailman gets my mail and when it finally agrees to disgorge it via smtp? It is in the stuck state right at the moment, if someone can walk me through more debugging. -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 I value kindness to human beings first of all, and kindness to animals. I don't respect the law; I have a total irreverence for anything connected with society except that which makes the roads safer, the beer stronger, the food cheaper, and old men and women warmer in the winter, and happier in the summer. Brendan Behan (1923 - 1964) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages have stopped getting delivered to mailinglists
Williams, Theona wrote:
If the post script is working fine, do you know what else could be the
problem? When I run
python /u001/mailman/scripts/post mailman /dev/null then
You don't need to do this first. It just verifies that the
/u001/mailman/scripts/post script works.
sudo -u mail /u001/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman /dev/null
I am getting errors for the bounce and mailowner scripts in the
/var/log/mailman/error file
Jun 06 14:26:33 2008 mailowner(874): mailowner script, list not found:
mailman
Jun 06 14:26:53 2008 mailowner(883): mailowner script, list not found:
mailman
Jun 06 14:26:53 2008 bounces(884): bounces script, list not found:
mailman
The above errors are presumably from actual mail to mailman-owner and
mailman-bounces however, this mail was generated by mailman in
response to the held (null) post.
Jun 06 14:30:02 2008 post(916): post script, list not found: mailman
And this error is the relevant one. If in fact, it came from the
sudo -u mail /u001/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman /dev/null
command and not from some mail to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] address which
coincidentally arrived at the same time. See below for more.
In logs/smtp-failure
Jun 06 14:26:53 2008 (784) All recipients refused: {'': (550, '5.1.1
None... User unknown')}, msgid:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jun 06 14:26:53 2008 (784) delivery to failed with code 550: 5.1.1
None... User unknown
These errors are from Mailman's attempt to send a notification of the
held (null) post back to the submitter that is None because the post
was empty.
So we have now verified that the /u001/mailman/scripts/post script
itself works, but that the scripts invoked by the
/u001/mailman/mail/mailman wrapper do not work. Thus the wrapper
itself must be pointing at the wrong scripts directory.
If the wrapper were correct, somewhere in the output from
strings /u001/mailman/mail/mailman
you should see '/u001/mailman/scripts/'
I think you will see some other path ending in '/scripts/' instead and
that is your problem.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail getting stuck in queue
Laura Conrad wrote: Intermittently, but increasingly frequently, the mailman I'm running is getting into a state where messages are received and archived, but not logged in the posts file or sent out by smtp. This situation usually resolves itself after I kick it enough. Maybe it would resolve itself if I didn't kick it at all. I would like to understand what's happening, so I can either stop it happening, or kick it more efficiently. This is on a mailman 2.1.10 installed from source on ubuntu 7.10. The machine is running postfix. The mail log indicates that postfix has passed the stuck mails to mailman: [...] Which you already knew because they are archived. I've checked all the things in http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.078.htp. At one point, there was a second (old) OutgoingRunner process after I had stopped and started mailmanctl several times, which I had to kill by hand, but usually this isn't the case. Here's my kick_mailman.sh script; I also reboot the system when I've tried this and it hasn't worked. When the queue gets unclogged, it isn't ever immediately after any of these things, including the reboot. --=-=-= There are errors in the error log: Jun 05 13:38:41 2008 (7364) Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: /home/mailman/qfiles/out/1212668722.1033101+99ec79fd321b54afb77e0ef5c8b0f5d2625e6aea.bak Jun 06 13:07:58 2008 (12803) Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: /home/mailman/qfiles/out/1212763581.350471+f1f22720a6342cd0ce99e4d29a21251f7440d973.bak I think these are a result of the 'kicking' process, but it's hard to say since the script wasn't here. and in the smtp-failure log: Jun 06 13:11:29 2008 (16109) Low level smtp error: (4, 'Interrupted system call'), msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 06 13:56:33 2008 (5154) SMTP session failure: 250, ok, msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 06 13:56:33 2008 (5154) delivery to redacted@gmail.com failed with code -1: (4, 'Interrupted system call') What is happening between when mailman gets my mail and when it finally agrees to disgorge it via smtp? It is in the stuck state right at the moment, if someone can walk me through more debugging. In which queue (subdirectory of qfiles/) are the messages? Almost certainly in 'out'. The smtp-failure entries seem to say that there is some problem between OutgoingRunner and the MTA. In the stuck state, OutgoingRunner is waiting for some response from the MTA, and that response isn't coming because somehow the SMTP session has gotten out of sync. See http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/How+do+I+debug+smtp-failure+problems+-+delivery+to+user-example.com+failed+with+code+-1-+and+Low+level+smtp+error-. If your Python is at least 2.4.x, you can follow the instructions for modifying Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py to produce more debugging output in Mailman's error log which may help you find more. Do not do this with Python 2.3.x for the reason mentioned in the FAQ. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages have stopped getting delivered to mailinglists
I ran strings /u001/mailman/mail/mailman. The output is attached. The wrapper is pointing to /u001/mailman/scripts/. 3 months ago, during installation the configure script was ran with with-cgi-gid =apache --with-mail-gid = mail. Theona Williams -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages have stopped getting delivered to mailinglists
Williams, Theona wrote: I ran strings /u001/mailman/mail/mailman. The output is attached. The wrapper is pointing to /u001/mailman/scripts/. Yes, the strings output looks good. 3 months ago, during installation the configure script was ran with with-cgi-gid =apache --with-mail-gid = mail. and presumably with prefix=/u001/mailman and maybe other arguments too. So to recap, it seems that running python /u001/mailman/scripts/post mailman /dev/null actually posts a null message to the Mailman list, but that running sudo -u mail /u001/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman /dev/null fails and logs a Jun 06 14:30:02 2008 post(916): post script, list not found: mailman error. This is a bit puzzling unless the latter command also issued the post script, list not found: mailman error to the terminal. It should have both logged the error and written it to the terminal. So we are left as I see it with two possibilities: 1) There is something wrong with the /u001/mailman/mail/mailman wrapper, or 2) Some other wrapper is actually being invoked. Please refer back to http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-June/061950.html and verify that either sendmail is not using smrsh or if sendmail is using smrsh, that the smrsh file points at the correct wrapper. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Program location
Hi Folks I am new to mailman, climbing a very steep hill. I have a virtual private apache server, which can handle several domains. does mailman have to reside on the root or can it reside on one of the domains. i would prefer it to run from one of the domains so the email addresses have some relevance to the domain. Thanks Rob -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail getting stuck in queue
Mark == Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark Laura Conrad wrote: Intermittently, but increasingly frequently, the mailman I'm running is getting into a state where messages are received and archived, but not logged in the posts file or sent out by smtp. This situation usually resolves itself after I kick it enough. Maybe it would resolve itself if I didn't kick it at all. I would like to understand what's happening, so I can either stop it happening, or kick it more efficiently. This is on a mailman 2.1.10 installed from source on ubuntu 7.10. The machine is running postfix. The mail log indicates that postfix has passed the stuck mails to mailman: ... What is happening between when mailman gets my mail and when it finally agrees to disgorge it via smtp? It is in the stuck state right at the moment, if someone can walk me through more debugging. Mark In which queue (subdirectory of qfiles/) are the messages? Almost Mark certainly in 'out'. Yes. Mark See Mark http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/How+do+I+debug+smtp-failure+problems+-+delivery+to+user-example.com+failed+with+code+-1-+and+Low+level+smtp+error-. Mark If your Python is at least 2.4.x, you can follow the instructions for Mark modifying Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py to produce more debugging Mark output in Mailman's error log which may help you find more. Do not do Mark this with Python 2.3.x for the reason mentioned in the FAQ. OK. It isn't completely stuck, but it's taking a lot longer to send out a few messages than I'd expect. Right now, the last post in the post log was at 16:30, and at 17:39, tail error says: Jun 06 17:37:59 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n' Jun 06 17:38:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: '250 ok\r\n' Jun 06 17:38:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: retcode (250); Msg: ok Jun 06 17:38:29 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n' Jun 06 17:38:59 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: '250 ok\r\n' Jun 06 17:38:59 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: retcode (250); Msg: ok Jun 06 17:38:59 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n' Jun 06 17:39:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: '250 ok\r\n' Jun 06 17:39:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: retcode (250); Msg: ok Jun 06 17:39:29 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n' Does this tell you anything? -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 The squeaking of the pump sounds as necessary as the music of the spheres. Henry David Thoreau -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail getting stuck in queue
Laura Conrad OK. It isn't completely stuck, but it's taking a lot longer to send out a few messages than I'd expect. Right now, the last post in the post log was at 16:30, and at 17:39, tail error says: Jun 06 17:37:59 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n' Jun 06 17:38:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: '250 ok\r\n' Jun 06 17:38:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: retcode (250); Msg: ok Jun 06 17:38:29 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n' Jun 06 17:38:59 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: '250 ok\r\n' Jun 06 17:38:59 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: retcode (250); Msg: ok Jun 06 17:38:59 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n' Jun 06 17:39:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: '250 ok\r\n' Jun 06 17:39:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: retcode (250); Msg: ok Jun 06 17:39:29 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n' Does this tell you anything? Yes. It tells me your outgoing MTA is verifying each recipient address and taking 30 seconds for each one. I.e it is processing a maximum of 120 recipients per hour or 2.5 hours for one post to a list with 300 non-digest subscribers. Then your out queue gets hoplessly backlogged. You can look at some of the performance FAQs at http://wiki.list.org/dosearchsite.action?searchQuery.queryString=performancesearchQuery.spaceKey=DOC for some ideas, but this is an MTA configuration issue. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Program location
Rob Voyle wrote: I have a virtual private apache server, which can handle several domains. does mailman have to reside on the root or can it reside on one of the domains. i would prefer it to run from one of the domains so the email addresses have some relevance to the domain. Mailman can be installed anywhere on the server that can be accessed by the MTA and web server. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail getting stuck in queue
Am 06.06.2008 um 23:46 schrieb Laura Conrad: Mark If your Python is at least 2.4.x, you can follow the instructions for Mark modifying Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py to produce more debugging Mark output in Mailman's error log which may help you find more. Do not do Mark this with Python 2.3.x for the reason mentioned in the FAQ. OK. It isn't completely stuck, but it's taking a lot longer to send out a few messages than I'd expect. Right now, the last post in the post log was at 16:30, and at 17:39, tail error says: Jun 06 17:37:59 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] \r\n' Jun 06 17:38:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: '250 ok\r\n' Jun 06 17:38:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: retcode (250); Msg: ok Jun 06 17:38:29 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] \r\n' Jun 06 17:38:59 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: '250 ok\r\n' Jun 06 17:38:59 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: retcode (250); Msg: ok Jun 06 17:38:59 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] \r\n' Jun 06 17:39:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: '250 ok\r\n' Jun 06 17:39:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: retcode (250); Msg: ok Jun 06 17:39:29 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] \r\n' Does this tell you anything? Basically either your Postfix needs from 17:38:29 to 17:38:59 to accept a single recipient or Mailman needs 30 seconds to read the response. It if is Postfix, you will either notice something in your maillog right away or at least you will be able to produce valuable debugging output running postconf -e debug_peer_list=127.0.0.1 postfix reload (replace 127.0.0.1 with the IP of your Mailman server if they don't run on the same box) Aside from misconfiguration or server load, one thing that immediately comes to my mind are excessive errors - after more than smtpd_soft_error_limit, this kind of slowdown is exactly what happens. Cheers Stefan -- Stefan Förster http://www.incertum.net/ Public Key: 0xBBE2A9E9 Mac OS X ate my ~/.signature. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail getting stuck in queue
Laura Conrad wrote: OK. It isn't completely stuck, but it's taking a lot longer to send out a few messages than I'd expect. Right now, the last post in the post log was at 16:30, and at 17:39, tail error says: Jun 06 17:37:59 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n' Jun 06 17:38:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: '250 ok\r\n' Jun 06 17:38:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: retcode (250); Msg: ok Jun 06 17:38:29 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n' Jun 06 17:38:59 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: '250 ok\r\n' Jun 06 17:38:59 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: retcode (250); Msg: ok Jun 06 17:38:59 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n' Jun 06 17:39:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: '250 ok\r\n' Jun 06 17:39:29 2008 qrunner(14342): reply: retcode (250); Msg: ok Jun 06 17:39:29 2008 qrunner(14342): send: 'rcpt TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\r\n' Does this tell you anything? My guess is that you're doing DNS validation and other anti-spam checks on your outbound mail. You don't want to do that. Do those things on input, and then set up a separate outbound-only mail processor that avoids all of those checks, because you've already done them on input. See FAQ 4.20 at http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030587, and the stuff in section 6 that are specific to your MTA, and also pay special attention to FAQ 6.6 at http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+Performance+Tuning+for+Mail+Delivery. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Python.org Postmaster Team Co-Moderator of the mailman-users and mailman-developers mailing lists -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Automatically creating short URL's?
Folks: Has anyone considered the idea of using one of the URL shortening services (tinyurl.com, etc) to automatically process URI's in messages processed by mailman? When people on my lists post URL's, they are quite often long and unwieldy ... it would be nice if I could automatically translate those long URI's into shorter versions. Thanks! david -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatically creating short URL's?
On 6/6/08, David Gibbs wrote: Has anyone considered the idea of using one of the URL shortening services (tinyurl.com, etc) to automatically process URI's in messages processed by mailman? Don't recall anyone requesting this specific feature, no. But that doesn't mean they haven't asked for it. Feel free to look on the SourceForge Patch or RFE pages for Mailman to see if this request has already been filed, or if a patch to perform this function has already been uploaded. If not, feel free to file a request via the RFE page, or upload a patch. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
