Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman python-2.4 using 96% cpu
I apologize Mark... This is the output of: # ls -aR /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/ /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/: . .. archive bounces commands in news out retry shunt virgin /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/archive: . .. /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/bounces: . .. 1234190987.539598+fd6c983022fae575bb19abe36c1eb9c9e4d7a896.pck 1234190987.546752+fe6f1ad1df8e2079ccb23fc3cfeeff4fd5441082.pck 1234190987.7204871+3a2c234edd8b221eaca05854a5dfd5162c58f6da.pck 1234190987.960499+c00b2d2522ee0d1246583d41a3323958520da746.pck 1234190988.063931+b4b96d43770f9f37a42f57ad50055c8837b21874.pck 1234190988.3409979+4f2d8e7a9fc7810110611d42fd82f57c167dbc1c.pck 1234190988.366761+dab73d1f6982797f201613fd4b60237b4e01bab3.pck 1234190988.669873+d4e730813b15eb5a7a3c427183808d07fb0b7ca4.pck 1234190988.7999749+9e225d8f549d8f35a9a4255c572ac88f6bd5c845.pck 1234190988.961921+417ad154e340bd2947ed5df80c530ab697d7a17a.pck.tmp /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/commands: . .. /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/in: . .. 1234190978.5258429+b87a7a844ad37ebb49d0724f57432f96a184db71.bak 1234190978.5667651+ed691242dad999eb51ccc8fab3343b6619856592.pck 1234190978.6760139+e4f48d142e1cb482489bebd1027e9b550915dc55.pck 1234190988.577697+6801e46df1e6c7432b7f9e458ef424bf28792659.pck /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/news: . .. /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/out: . 1234190978.3703849+eed96b821c17c2186fc25541469e5ef0c0af6a47.pck .. 1234190978.738651+91bcf5af1bdaac8c799b378c3b1301b10a53252c.bak /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/retry: . .. /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/shunt: . .. /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/virgin: . .. -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:05 PM To: Goodman, William; mailman-users@python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] mailman python-2.4 using 96% cpu Goodman, William wrote: Cool Mike that helped a lot... It's Mark ... I was so frustrated I set it to: QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(10) That seem to calm it down a bit. top - 18:38:02 up 56 min, 2 users, load average: 1.25, 1.20, 1.83 Tasks: 109 total, 1 running, 108 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 20.3%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 79.2%id, 0.2%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Mem: 3866604k total, 494800k used, 3371804k free, 175632k buffers Swap: 4194296k total,0k used, 4194296k free, 172108k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 19021 mailman 25 0 150m 12m 2752 S 41 0.3 1:59.92 python2.4 8 root 10 -5 000 S0 0.0 0:03.72 events/0 19797 root 16 0 12584 1068 800 S0 0.0 0:00.30 top 1 root 15 0 10324 692 580 S0 0.0 0:00.40 init But I still see 99% spikes from time to time. Is there a BOUNCERUNNER and INCOMINGRUNNER parameter? QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME applies to all the runners. I suppose it's possible you are just being bombarded with mail. Perhaps there is some kind of mail loop. What's in Mailman's vette log? What do you see if you stop Mailman and while it is stopped do ls -aR qfiles/ Do you see any entries? If so, and you do the ls again are there more entries or the same ones? If there are entries, what's in them (use bin/show_qfiles to list them)? Also, as root do strace -p xxx -o filename where xxx is the pid of incoming runner. Let it run for 10 or 20 seconds and then stop it with control-C and see what's in the output (filename). -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Remove web ref from Help File
Is it possible to remove the web reference from the e-mail help file? I have changed the help.txt template, but the one line about your options after the results line is not in that file. Is that in the source somewhere? Here is an example of the file: The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Results: Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts You can access your personal options via the following url: http://xxx/mailman/options/huntads/xxx http://lists.turners.com/mailman/options/huntads/jeffg%40turners.com help Help for Huntads mailing list: This is email command help for the e-mail list server. The following describes commands you can send to get information about and control your subscription to the e-mail lists. A command can be in the subject line or in the body of the message. List specific commands (subscribe, who, etc) should be sent to the *-request address for the particular list, e.g. for the 'mailman' list, use 'mailman-requ...@...'. About the descriptions - words in s signify REQUIRED items and words in [] denote OPTIONAL items. Do not include the s or []s when you use the commands. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Bounce Management
When a user reaches the threshold for bouncing, does the e-mail address get removed from all lists on the server or just the list for which they were bouncing? Jeff -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Content filtering
Is there any way of having mailman scan message content (not headers) and holding a message for review if there is a match in the body of the message? We have multiple lists, some of which are specifically set up to discuss a particular subject, and users frequently post to the wrong list, leading to much confusion and occasional flame-wars. I would love to be able to hold those messages and contact the authors directly or resend it to the correct list. Thanks, -Rob -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman python-2.4 using 96% cpu
Goodman, William wrote: I apologize Mark... Thanks. No problem. This is the output of: # ls -aR /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/ /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/: . .. archive bounces commands in news out retry shunt virgin /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/archive: . .. /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/bounces: . .. 1234190987.539598+fd6c983022fae575bb19abe36c1eb9c9e4d7a896.pck 1234190987.546752+fe6f1ad1df8e2079ccb23fc3cfeeff4fd5441082.pck 1234190987.7204871+3a2c234edd8b221eaca05854a5dfd5162c58f6da.pck 1234190987.960499+c00b2d2522ee0d1246583d41a3323958520da746.pck 1234190988.063931+b4b96d43770f9f37a42f57ad50055c8837b21874.pck 1234190988.3409979+4f2d8e7a9fc7810110611d42fd82f57c167dbc1c.pck 1234190988.366761+dab73d1f6982797f201613fd4b60237b4e01bab3.pck 1234190988.669873+d4e730813b15eb5a7a3c427183808d07fb0b7ca4.pck 1234190988.7999749+9e225d8f549d8f35a9a4255c572ac88f6bd5c845.pck 1234190988.961921+417ad154e340bd2947ed5df80c530ab697d7a17a.pck.tmp You are in the process of queueing one bounce, and 9 other bounces have arrived in the last 1.4 seconds. /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/commands: . .. /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/in: . .. 1234190978.5258429+b87a7a844ad37ebb49d0724f57432f96a184db71.bak 1234190978.5667651+ed691242dad999eb51ccc8fab3343b6619856592.pck 1234190978.6760139+e4f48d142e1cb482489bebd1027e9b550915dc55.pck 1234190988.577697+6801e46df1e6c7432b7f9e458ef424bf28792659.pck You are processing one incoming message and 3 other messages have arrived within 1 second of that one. /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/news: . .. /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/out: . 1234190978.3703849+eed96b821c17c2186fc25541469e5ef0c0af6a47.pck .. 1234190978.738651+91bcf5af1bdaac8c799b378c3b1301b10a53252c.bak You are processing one outgoing message and another is waiting which from within a fraction of a second. /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/retry: . .. /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/shunt: . .. /opt/software/mailman/qfiles/virgin: . .. It looks to me like you are being hit with massive amounts of spam to the list's post and bounces address or you have some kind of mail loop going on which is generating all this mail. Your high CPU utilization is a result of Mailman doing real work to handle all this mail. Mark Sapiro wrote: Goodman, William wrote: I suppose it's possible you are just being bombarded with mail. Perhaps there is some kind of mail loop. See above? What's in Mailman's vette log? ?? What do you see if you stop Mailman and while it is stopped do Stop Mailman. (bin/mailmanctl stop) ls -aR qfiles/ Do you see any entries? If so, and you do the ls again are there more entries or the same ones? If there are entries, what's in them (use bin/show_qfiles to list them)? Look at the queue entries with bin/show_qfiles. What kinds of messages do they contain? Also, as root do strace -p xxx -o filename where xxx is the pid of incoming runner. Let it run for 10 or 20 seconds and then stop it with control-C and see what's in the output (filename). It's not necessary to do the above since I think I know that there is not actually a problem with Mailman's relinquishing when it doesn't have anything to do. The problem is it always has something to do. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Management
When a user reaches the threshold for bouncing, does the e-mail address get removed from all lists on the server or just the list for which they were bouncing? It is on a list-per-list basis. Hopefully MM3 will be able to offer a choice with its database backend, but with the file-based MM2 global removal would certainly be clumsy to implement -- Fil -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Management
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Fil wrote: When a user reaches the threshold for bouncing, does the e-mail address get removed from all lists on the server or just the list for which they were bouncing? It is on a list-per-list basis. Hopefully MM3 will be able to offer a choice with its database backend, but with the file-based MM2 global removal would certainly be clumsy to implement Yes, definitely MM3 will have global disables. Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkmQZdAACgkQ2YZpQepbvXHrfwCePVPiCwZ8uAYwN+KE7xOxGA1d N1MAn2OdjAKol08GQefjsVLXexv8QWOk =R+os -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Remove web ref from Help File
Jeff Grossman wrote:
Is it possible to remove the web reference from the e-mail help file? I
have changed the help.txt template, but the one line about your options
after the results line is not in that file. Is that in the source
somewhere? Here is an example of the file:
If the sender of the 'help' command is a list member, reference to the
member's options page is added by Mailman/Commands/cmd_help.py via the
following code:
for sender in msg.get_senders():
if mlist.isMember(sender):
memberurl = mlist.GetOptionsURL(sender, absolute=1)
urlhelp = _(
'You can access your personal options via the following
url:')
res.results.append(urlhelp)
res.results.append(memberurl)
# Get a blank line in the output.
res.results.append('')
break
You could remove that code, comment it out or replace
if mlist.isMember(sender):
with
if False:
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Content filtering
Rob wrote: Is there any way of having mailman scan message content (not headers) and holding a message for review if there is a match in the body of the message? We have multiple lists, some of which are specifically set up to discuss a particular subject, and users frequently post to the wrong list, leading to much confusion and occasional flame-wars. I would love to be able to hold those messages and contact the authors directly or resend it to the correct list. There is no configuration facility in Mailman to do this. You would have to implement a custom handler or equivalent to do this. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9 for information on implementing custom handlers. A proper implementation would be complex since you would probably want to implement a new list attribute to specify regexps or the like to match against the body to hold the message. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Auto-response for moderated new subscribes?
I looked in the FAQ but could not find anything. One of the lists I run is advertised to the public but subscriptions are moderated (need approval). The other moderator and I would like a way to send out a form letter automatically to people when their subscription is pending that lists the basic info we want from them and where to send it. I looked through the list admin commands. The General page has a place for an auto-reply to new subscribers (appended to the regular welcome) but nothing for those who are pending. Then there is the Auto-Reply page which has places for auto-responses to anyone mailing to -owner or -request. Using a less busy list with moderated subscriptions, I edited those 2 sections to send an auto-response (different wording so I could tell them apart), saved the page, then I subscribed myself at a previous unused address. I got the moderator request immediately at my regular address but have not received an auto-response at the new address. It's been over half an hour. Am I missing something or does this feature not exist? I use Mailman through an ISP that does not give root access. They make a few changes to the code, mostly minor. We use version 2.1.11. Thanks, Cyndi -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-response for moderated new subscribes?
Cyndi Norwitz wrote: I looked through the list admin commands. The General page has a place for an auto-reply to new subscribers (appended to the regular welcome) but nothing for those who are pending. Then there is the Auto-Reply page which has places for auto-responses to anyone mailing to -owner or -request. Using a less busy list with moderated subscriptions, I edited those 2 sections to send an auto-response (different wording so I could tell them apart), saved the page, then I subscribed myself at a previous unused address. I got the moderator request immediately at my regular address but have not received an auto-response at the new address. It's been over half an hour. Am I missing something or does this feature not exist? How did you request subscription? If you requested via the web, the autoresponder doesn't apply. Also, you will get at most 1 autoresponse from -request within autoresponse_graceperiod, so if you got one to this address while testing, you won't get another until the original graceperiod expires or you set autoresponse_graceperiod to 0. In short, you can set autorespond_requests to respond once per graceperiod to the sender of a messsage to the -request (or -subscribe or -join) address (which may or may not be a subscribe request), but you can't set a message to be sent to anyone requesting a subscription. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-response for moderated new subscribes?
On Feb 9, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Cyndi Norwitz wrote: I looked through the list admin commands. The General page has a place for an auto-reply to new subscribers (appended to the regular welcome) but nothing for those who are pending. Then there is the Auto-Reply page which has places for auto-responses to anyone mailing to -owner or -request. Using a less busy list with moderated subscriptions, I edited those 2 sections to send an auto-response (different wording so I could tell them apart), saved the page, then I subscribed myself at a previous unused address. I got the moderator request immediately at my regular address but have not received an auto-response at the new address. It's been over half an hour. Am I missing something or does this feature not exist? How did you request subscription? If you requested via the web, the autoresponder doesn't apply. I used the web. But so will 99.99% of our subscribers. Also, you will get at most 1 autoresponse from -request within autoresponse_graceperiod, so if you got one to this address while testing, you won't get another until the original graceperiod expires or you set autoresponse_graceperiod to 0. I set it to 0 when I set it up. In short, you can set autorespond_requests to respond once per graceperiod to the sender of a messsage to the -request (or -subscribe or -join) address (which may or may not be a subscribe request), but you can't set a message to be sent to anyone requesting a subscription. Bummer. Thanks for the quick response. Might this be added to a wish list? I'm sure a lot of listowners with moderation set for subscriptions would love that feature. Thanks, Cyndi -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Perplexing HTML formatting issue
Hi List:
I have a client who is using us to host his mailman list but he has his main
web site hosted with another provider. He uses a php script to post html
formatted messages to the list from this web site. Last week he moved his
web site to a new hosting provider and now when his script sends messages to
the list, the html formatting is not coming through. He tested the script to
post to one of his e-mail addresses and the formatting came through fine but
when he posts to the list via this php script, the html formatting is lost.
He says he did not change any of his list settings and I looked at them and
they look fine. He has content filtering set to no. Here is what the post
looks like when you view it in an e-mail client:
From: Client ad...@.com
Date: February 9, 2009 2:36:39 PM EST
To: -n...@list..com
Subject: [-News] Weekly Newsletter (Feb 09, 2009)
Reply-To: no-re...@.com
Content-Type: text/html; charset = utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
body
style
body {
font-family : serif;
font-size: 10pt;
margin: 10px;
color: #00;
BACKGROUND: #cedae7 URL(/images/blue_background_color.gif);
background-repeat:repeat-x;
}
#page {
width: 700px;
background-color: #fff;
border-style : solid;
border-width : 1px 2px 3px 1px;
border-color: #423322;
padding:2px 2px 20px 2px;
margin-left: auto;
margin-right: auto;
}
I can't tell at this moment whether this is a MUA issue or a problem with
his list configuration or an issue with his php script. Any assistance would
be appreciated. Thanks.
Regards,
Brian
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[Mailman-Users] Subscription requests with no -subscribe alias
I've removed the -subscribe alias for one of my lists. So there's just no way to get a message to mailman with 'subscribe LIST' on the command line. But nonetheless, I just got a message from mailman: Your authorization is required for a mailing list subscription request approval: ... How does that happen? Is there some way to make a subscription request happen that doesn't involve using a -subscribe alias? [obviously yes, but I don't know what it is..:o)] /Bernie\ -- Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers mailto:ber...@fantasyfarm.com Pearisburg, VA -- Too many people, too few sheep -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Perplexing HTML formatting issue
Brian Carpenter wrote: I have a client who is using us to host his mailman list but he has his main web site hosted with another provider. He uses a php script to post html formatted messages to the list from this web site. Last week he moved his web site to a new hosting provider and now when his script sends messages to the list, the html formatting is not coming through. He tested the script to post to one of his e-mail addresses and the formatting came through fine but when he posts to the list via this php script, the html formatting is lost. He says he did not change any of his list settings and I looked at them and they look fine. He has content filtering set to no. Here is what the post looks like when you view it in an e-mail client: From: Client ad...@.com Date: February 9, 2009 2:36:39 PM EST To: -n...@list..com Subject: [-News] Weekly Newsletter (Feb 09, 2009) Reply-To: no-re...@.com Content-Type: text/html; charset = utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit He's using the php mail() function to create the mail, and he's adding the Reply-To:, Content-Type: and Content-Transfer-Encoding: headers as additional_headers, and he believes the documentation which says that each header should be terminated with \r\n. This is causing blank lines to be inserted because both \r and \n are taken as line terminators. Thus, in the above, Reply-To: is taken as the last header and Content-Type: and Content-Transfer-Encoding: become part of the message. See the note under additional_headers at http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php which says: Note: If messages are not received, try using a LF (\n) only. Some poor quality Unix mail transfer agents replace LF by CRLF automatically (which leads to doubling CR if CRLF is used). This should be a last resort, as it does not comply with ยป RFC 2822. Aside from the fact that what this note says is totally bogus, at least in so far as RFC 2822 compliance is concerned, it gives the solution. Note that it is the php implemantation that is poor quality, not the MTA. The MTA is doing it's job in converting local OS line endings into CRLF for transmission over the wire as the RFCs say it should. I'm convinced this is the problem, and the fix is to use only \n as a line terminator for additional_headers, but if for some reason this isn't it, please provide a raw message as sent by php. Note also, that the pear Mail_Mime package is a much more robust way of creating MIME messages. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscription requests with no -subscribe alias
Bernie Cosell wrote: I've removed the -subscribe alias for one of my lists. So there's just no way to get a message to mailman with 'subscribe LIST' on the command line. But nonetheless, I just got a message from mailman: Your authorization is required for a mailing list subscription request approval: ... How does that happen? Is there some way to make a subscription request happen that doesn't involve using a -subscribe alias? [obviously yes, but I don't know what it is..:o)] Four ways: 1) send a subscribe command to the LIST-request address 2) send an email to the LIST-join address 3) fill out and submit the subscribe form on the listinfo page. 4) send the appropriate data from as would be posted by the web subscribe form as indicated in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/hIA9. You may have blocked one or two of these, but have you blocked all four? Note that unless you have VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes in mm_cfg.py, disabling the LIST-request address will severely limit your ability to confirm things by email. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Tracing a disappearing 'post'
A user on one of the lists here complained that her posts weren't getting through. I looked at the sendmail log and I see her post making it to the | ...mailman post LIST, but then the message disappeared. I've looked and it is, indeed, not in the list archives. I do get bounces and approvals [as both list admin and list moderator] and I've not gotten anything about this user's submissions, but still they appear to vanish. The list is unmoderated [Action to take for postings from non-members.. is set to Accept]. I have one filter set to 'hold', and I *have* gotten submissions that got caught by that filter, so I know it is working. What places am I missing that could get a message just to vanish? [and how can I try to make that not happen, or at least log what's happening or email me or something]? Thanks! /bernie\ -- Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers mailto:ber...@fantasyfarm.com Pearisburg, VA -- Too many people, too few sheep -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Perplexing HTML formatting issue
I'm convinced this is the problem, and the fix is to use only \n as a line terminator for additional_headers, but if for some reason this isn't it, please provide a raw message as sent by php. Note also, that the pear Mail_Mime package is a much more robust way of creating MIME messages. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan Your awesome Mark. I will pass this information on to the client and I will post the raw message output if it comes to that. Thanks! Regards, Brian -- EMWD.com - 'Powered by Techies' Blog.emwd.com - Curious comments from a web hosting techie -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Tracing a disappearing 'post'
Bernie Cosell wrote: A user on one of the lists here complained that her posts weren't getting through. I looked at the sendmail log and I see her post making it to the | ...mailman post LIST, but then the message disappeared. I've looked and it is, indeed, not in the list archives. I do get bounces and approvals [as both list admin and list moderator] and I've not gotten anything about this user's submissions, but still they appear to vanish. The list is unmoderated [Action to take for postings from non-members.. is set to Accept]. I have one filter set to 'hold', and I *have* gotten submissions that got caught by that filter, so I know it is working. What places am I missing that could get a message just to vanish? [and how can I try to make that not happen, or at least log what's happening or email me or something]? If the message was discarded by Mailman, that fact should be logged in Mailman's vette log. If it caused some processing exception and was shunted, that fact and a traceback from the error should be logged in Mailman's error log. The first step is to check those logs. Note that given what you've said about the list configuration, I think the most likely thing is Content filtering is on, text/html is filtered (not in pass_mime_types) and filter_action is discard so her text/html post is filtered to empty and discarded. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Two lists: same name, different domain -- the postfix way
Hello,
I've been wanting 2 different mailing lists with the same
name, each on a different domain. This configuration
is not supported in the stock mailman (pre 3.0), but it occurs to
me that there is a workaround when the MTA is postfix.
It's a bit of a kludge, but I think it will work.
I'm interested in what the list thinks.
Note: I have not tested this. I've done a little
bit of testing on the outbound mail part, and it
seems to work. It happens
that the mail architecture in use is forwarding list traffic
to the mailman server, so the inbound translations are
handled by the forwarder and I don't need the
inbound mail part. I'm running Debian Etch.
First off, FWIW, in debian mailman comes integrated
out of the box with postfix so mailman automatically
maintains all it's aliases. This is done via a transport map
and postfix-to-mailman.py; any mail sent to the
box's regular domain is run through mailman.
The idea is to use postifx's canonical mapping
to re-write the email addresses on all inbound
list traffic to secondary domains to add
a tag to the user part of the address. And then
do the reverse to outbound list traffic. This
is best illustrated by way of example.
Suppose you want 2 lists, f...@example.com and
f...@example.net. The regular domain for the
box is example.com. Make two lists:
foo and foo-examplenet.
In /etc/postfix/main.cf put the lines:
recipient_canonical_maps = pcre:/etc/postfix/recipient_canonical_domains
sender_canonical_maps = pcre:/etc/postfix/sender_canonical_domains
In /etc/postfix/recipient_canonical_domains put:
/^foo(-.+)?...@example.net$/ foo-examplenet$...@example.com
In /etc/postfix/sender_canonical_domains put:
/^(.*)-examplenet(-(.*))@example.com$/ ${1]$...@example.net
Mail that comes in as f...@example.net (or e.g.
foo-subscr...@example.net) is readdressed to foo-example...@example.com
(or foo-examplenet-subscr...@example.com). It's then delivered to
mailman's foo-examplenet list just like normal. Outbound mail sent
from the list comes from foo-example...@example.com but
all the addresses are rewritten so as to come from
f...@example.net.
I don't know whether rfc2369 headers are rewritten by
postfix's canonical mapping, I suppose it depends
on whether postfix is rfc2369 aware. Anyway, that's
simple enough to take care of with header_checks, pcre patterns
like those above, and the REPLACE action. I think this
would work on both inbound and outbound..., right?
The limitations are you can't have any email addresses
in @example.com that have '-examplenet' in the user
part, and you can't have any foo-.* user names in
@example.net (besides the mailing list.)
This seems a lot more straightforward to setup and
maintain than running multiple instances of mailman,
which is the only other solution I know of. All
that's needed for maintenance is to add a line
for any new lists to recipient_canonical_domains
and sender_canonical_domains and otherwise everything
works as it should. If the secondary domains
have no users, only mailing lists, you can construct
a pcre that rewrites all inbound/outbound mail to/from
the domains and there's no work involved when adding
a mailing list.
Regards,
Karl k...@meme.com
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