Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
Word wrap was forced. The text I pasted was not supposed to have line breaks, it was supposed to fit the width of the mail program. Plain text usually runs the width of the screen it's on -- that's what I want, not forced line ends. Hope I'm making sense. I checked the archives and the line breaks were there. So it must be my mail program that's causing the problem? I tried sending the same message from Google mail and my SquirrelMail program -- both had the hard wrap. Adrean * Clerc Scar Email Publication of the Signing Community http://www.clercscar.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about account ownership, etc.
I can envision where the question is coming from - because we deal with the same fears. Our employees manage the lists and mailman software. Our other employees manage the servers and the network. If we loose an employee with the password to mailman, how do we carry on? The data is 'locked' behind a now lost password. How do we reset the password, when the real password is gone? Thanks! Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Dana Runkle writes: If something should happen to the volunteer who runs our email lists and we, the remaining officers, do not have access to the lists, what would Python need from us to prove ownership of said email lists and to transfer administrative control of all our lists to a new person? Neither Python nor Mailman has any relation to the data in your list. Python provides a software development environment, and Mailman provides mailing list management and post distribution software. This software is distributed under open source licenses, so that anybody can download and use it without further permission from Python or Mailman (subject to certain mild restrictions on redistribution). However, the software actually runs on somebody else's computer, and almost certainly, that is where your data is stored as well. To get access to that, you need to get access to that computer. In many cases, the computer in question is owned and managed by an ISP rather than as somebody's personal property. In that case you need to find out who the ISP is, and contact them. ISPs are a somewhat regulated part of the telecommunications industry, but they are responsible primarily to the person who pays them, presumably your volunteer. If the lists are hosted, and data stored, on a computer owned and operated by your volunteer, you will need to deal with that person more or less directly. If you don't know the ISP, anybody with a little bit of network expertise (including most Linux or Unix users) can help you trace posts back to the distribution point. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/draves%40bard.edu Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 -- Have a Good day! Dick Draves System Administrator Bard College 845-758-7119 Note: Bard Information Technology Services will *NEVER* request passwords or other personal information via email. Messages requesting such information are fraudulent. No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Please don't print this email unless it is absolutely critical. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Bounces not resetting...
Folks, I have a problem in that user's bounces aren't resetting. The bounce_info_stale after value seems to be being ignored. I have users who's last bounce was in 2005 and we have sent literally thousands of emails to them since then. Th bounce_info_stale_after value is 7. But they are still showing 10 bounces from 2005 and prior. Could anyone tell me why this would happen and how I might be able to prevent it in the future? -John Withers -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 18:25, Adrean Clarkc...@clercscar.com wrote: I'm still having trouble with word wrap. I send out messages in plain text, and I don't have the message editor enabled. I've pasted a sample message below. Also notice in the first sentence of the article a sign was added. It's not in the original -- where did that come from? Thanks for all your help. ---SNIP--- From Little Girls Point, we headed west on U.S. Highway 2 and entered That's an artifact of the mail system in use. In the very old days that was used to avoid mail systems thinking it was another From: header. Some unix mail systems still escape it this way, I'm guessing yours is one. I'm sure you'll find it documented in one of the many RFCs, somewhere. As for wrapping, as you copy-and-pasted it there's no way for anybody to say anything meaningful ;) If you were to attach a sent message then people may be able to say more. -- Please keep list traffic on the list. Rob MacGregor Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman Fails
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote: No way to ninstall it from you OS package manager? Unfortunately, no. I looked on the SlackBuilds.org Web site but they do not have a script for Mailman. Rich -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman Fails
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Move that whole directory and all its contents to /usr/local/src/mailman. AIUI, Mailman is not designed to be run from the source directory, and by default it installs into /usr/local/mailman. So you're trying to overwrite the source with itself, usually a bad idea for a number of reasons. Stephen, OK. I was following the directions in the mailman-install.pdf. I'm surprised no mention was made of creating /usr/local/src/ and installing mailman there. Thanks, Rich -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrating Lists
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:01:35AM +0300, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote: 08/18/2009 05:31 AM, Henry Hartley: When I send mail to a list, however, it seems to go into a black hole. I get no response that there was a problem delivering the mail, the server's maillog shows that the message was received by the server, but the mail never seems to go out to the list. There is no message in the mailman/errors log. /etc/aliases? I sawa no mention of it in your post... No, I remembered that part. Aliases are set correctly. -- Henry -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman Fails
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Move that whole directory and all its contents to /usr/local/src/mailman. AIUI, Mailman is not designed to be run from the source directory, and by default it installs into /usr/local/mailman. So you're trying to overwrite the source with itself, usually a bad idea for a number of reasons. Stephen, That's amazing! The installation instructions need to be changed to reflect this. What the step-by-step instructions should read is: mkdir /usr/local/mailman mkdir -p /usr/local/src/mailman untar the downloaded tarball in the latter directory cd /usr/local/src/mailman run ./configure make make install in that directory. This puts all the necessary files in /usr/local/mailman. Final question on installation: can I now delete /usr/local/src/? Thanks, Rich -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrating Lists
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 08:22:02AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: Is Mailman running (service mailman start or however you start it on your machine)? See, I knew it was going to be something stupid that I forgot. I feel like an idiot. Thanks for your time. -- Henry -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about account ownership, etc.
Richard Draves writes: If we loose an employee with the password to mailman, how do we carry on? The data is 'locked' behind a now lost password. How do we reset the password, when the real password is gone? As long as you have shell access to the mailman installation, you can change the site password with /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass (may be located elsewhere depending on your installation). That allows access to all admin screens, from which you can do anything, including resetting passwords. I don't recall offhand where the various password resetting options are. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman Fails
Rich Shepard writes: Final question on installation: can I now delete /usr/local/src/? Yes, you can. I usually don't, as source trees often contain random bits of documentation and information that don't get copied to the install tree. Backup to a CD before removing would be a good compromise. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
Adrean Clark writes: Word wrap was forced. The text I pasted was not supposed to have line breaks, it was supposed to fit the width of the mail program. Plain text usually runs the width of the screen it's on -- that's what I want, not forced line ends. Hope I'm making sense. Are you sending *only* plain text? I seem to recall an issue where text could get reformatted in cases where a message had both plain and HTML parts, and the HTML part was stripped/converted to plain text. That was due to the external application used to convert. Still, as Mark says AFAIK there's no code in Mailman to insert line breaks. It may be some other software, even a virus scanner or the like (should not happen, but stuff like that does, sometimes), in the mail pipeline. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
Adrean Clark wrote: So it must be my mail program that's causing the problem? I tried sending the same message from Google mail and my SquirrelMail program -- both had the hard wrap. Both Google Mail and Squirrel Mail wrap messages. Look at the message in your sent mail or sent folder. You'll see it wrapped there. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounces not resetting...
John Withers wrote: I have a problem in that user's bounces aren't resetting. The bounce_info_stale after value seems to be being ignored. I have users who's last bounce was in 2005 and we have sent literally thousands of emails to them since then. Th bounce_info_stale_after value is 7. But they are still showing 10 bounces from 2005 and prior. Could anyone tell me why this would happen and how I might be able to prevent it in the future? The stale bounce info is not reset until another bounce arrives. Thus, old bounce info usually remains forever, but it does no harm. If a new bounce arrives, the stale info will be forgotten and the user given a score of 1 with the current date. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman Fails
Rich Shepard wrote: That's amazing! The installation instructions need to be changed to reflect this. What the step-by-step instructions should read is: mkdir /usr/local/mailman mkdir -p /usr/local/src/mailman untar the downloaded tarball in the latter directory cd /usr/local/src/mailman run ./configure make make install in that directory. This puts all the necessary files in /usr/local/mailman. The directory into which you unpack the tarball and in which you run configure and make does not have to be /usr/local/src/mailman or any specific directory. It just needs to be different from the ultimate install directory ($prefix). Granted, some mention of this could be made in the manual, and I'll do that, but this is standard GNU software installation practice. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Template Question
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:48:58 -0700, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: Jeff Grossman wrote: I am moving my Mailman 2.1.12 installation from an old Mac OS X box to a freshly installed Debian stable machine. I am running Mailman 2.1.12 from testing. I copied over my lists directory and seem to have a problem with the templates. I have some customized templates in the en directory of each mailing list in the lists directory. Mailman does not seem to be using those customized templates, but using the generic ones. I thought the ones in each mailing list directory was always the first used? Or is it something with the way Debian setups up Mailman? Any help would be appreciated. If these are 'archive' templates you definitely need to restart Mailman after installing them as they are cached in ArchRunner. You shouldn't need to do this for 'web' templates and probably not for 'email' templates, but it wouldn't hurt. Also, cronpass.txt isn't associated with a list so it doesn't work in any lists/LISTNAME/en directory, even the site list's. If you have restarted Mailman after putting templates in lists/LISTNAME/en, and they still aren't being picked up, then I don't know what the problem is. I don't think it's a Debianism. Sorry about that, yes they are 'email' templates. I copied over my lists directory from the old server. And then started Mailman. When I send a help command to the list, it is not using the template located under the 'en' directory under the list. It is using the generic template. What steps can I do to figure out what the problem is? Thanks, Jeff -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounces not resetting...
John Withers wrote: The stale bounce info is not reset until another bounce arrives. Thus, old bounce info usually remains forever, but it does no harm. If a new bounce arrives, the stale info will be forgotten and the user given a score of 1 with the current date. Hmmm, so when it says specifically The number of days after which a member's bounce information is discarded, if no new bounces have been received in the interim. It doesn't actually mean it. It means number of days after which a member's bounce information is discarded if we happen to get another bounce. Hmmm. Not good. It means the number of days after which a member's bounce info is ignored. Change the word 'discarded' to ' ignored' and it is a correct statement, at least in current Mailman. Ah, if only it were true that it does no harm. Following scenario: for various reasons, the bounces were set exceptionally high on a list: 300. Now a new administrator takes over, sees that things aren't as they should be. Says, hmmm, we should lower that into reality and lose all these dead accounts I know we are carrying, lowers the number to 7. Suddenly, a lot of perfectly good users get hit with disable's. Secondly, the behavior is baffling to the admin, because the text for the bounce_info_stale_after is clear that these old bounces should have been discarded. That behavior is the result of a bug that was fixed in 2.1.10. cron/disabled now resets the bounce info in this circumstance instead of disabling the member. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Template Question
Jeff Grossman wrote: Sorry about that, yes they are 'email' templates. I copied over my lists directory from the old server. And then started Mailman. When I send a help command to the list, it is not using the template located under the 'en' directory under the list. It is using the generic template. What steps can I do to figure out what the problem is? I have skimmed the Debian patch list at http://patch-tracking.debian.net/package/mailman, and I don't see anything there that could cause this. Could it be ownership or permissions on lists/LISTNAME/en and/or lists/LISTNAME/en/help.txt? That's what I'd check first. If CommandRunner can read the template?, then I don't know what the problem would be. Debugging it might require putting temporary logging statements in the findtext() function in Mailman/Utils.py or attaching strace to CommandRunner. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
