[Mailman-Users] hide list address for security ..
hello .. is there a way to hide the list's address so instead of showing : from: listname-boun...@domain.com it shows the sender's email address only: From: sen...@domain.com I've been getting huge loads of spam on my lists' addresses so if u have this option please tell me how to do it otherwise please consider adding this feature for it will increase the list's security.. thanks .. _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] hide list address for security ..
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:37:15AM +, Khalil Abbas wrote: is there a way to hide the list's address so instead of showing : from: listname-boun...@domain.com it shows the sender's email address only: From: sen...@domain.com Sort-of. Have a look at reply_goes_to_list : although that's really not going to help keeping replies on list (and i'm of the view that, except for announcement lists, what goes to the list should have replies coming back to the list). Nor will that necessarily help people in creating new threads. I don't think that's the right approach to your problem: I've been getting huge loads of spam on my lists' addresses so if u So, why not take preventative action, in this respect? You may want to investigate creating an ACL to raise the threshold of hostility for email addresses that aren't from list-members, for example (it's not something I do, mind: the majority of the -owner mail for me goes into RT, where I use a queue for training my SpamAssassins and Bayesian filters, and then out to my mailbox, for further fine-tuned processing.). That (spam-detection/handling) is something to tackle at the MTA *before* mail gets sent to Mailman. See previous list discussions on tackling spam at the earliest stages. Some sort of Bayesian filtering on list-owner mails, that's fed back could be useful, too. AIUI, some people have found http://www.jamesh.id.au/articles/mailman-spamassassin/ to be useful. have this option please tell me how to do it otherwise please consider adding this feature for it will increase the list's security.. Security is *not* the same as obscurity. -- ``[These atrocities] -- they all happened, and they did not happen any the less because the Daily Telegraph has suddenly found out about them when it is five years too late.'' (George Orwell, Looking Back on the Spanish War, 1942) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] hide list address for security ..
Khalil Abbas wrote: is there a way to hide the list's address so instead of showing : from: listname-boun...@domain.com it shows the sender's email address only: From: sen...@domain.com This is an issue with Microsoft Outlook and perhaps other MUAs. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/RoA9 for more information on this. Note that in order for bounce processing to work, the envelope sender must be the listname-bounces address. I've been getting huge loads of spam on my lists' addresses so if u have this option please tell me how to do it otherwise please consider adding this feature for it will increase the list's security.. I don't see what this has to do with security or spam. It only has to do with what some users see when they view list mail. It may cause some users to reply to the wrong address depending on how brain-dead their MUA is, and then the list owner may see the reply as an unrecognized bounce, but that's all. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] hide list address for security ..
I don't see what this has to do with security or spam. It only has to do with what some users see when they view list mail. It may cause some users to reply to the wrong address depending on how brain-dead their MUA is, and then the list owner may see the reply as an unrecognized bounce, but that's all. Thanks for your reply.. well, when they see: listname-boun...@domain.com they start sending to: listn...@domain.com .. that's what I meant by spam.. but if the address is hidden and there's only the sender showing they wouldn't know what the list address is .. I'm not talking about the professional spammers that can track the message headers but list members and all the people they forward the messages to, they take any address they lay their hands on and add it to their address books .. believe me it's more pain in the act than real spammers .. yet again, for the list owner getting loads of unrecognized bounces is pain enough, I get hundreds of'em and open each and every one of them to make sure that there are no real bounces! _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] hide list address for security ..
Khalil Abbas quoted me and wrote: I don't see what this has to do with security or spam. It only has to do with what some users see when they view list mail. It may cause some users to reply to the wrong address depending on how brain-dead their MUA is, and then the list owner may see the reply as an unrecognized bounce, but that's all. Thanks for your reply.. well, when they see: listname-boun...@domain.com they start sending to: listn...@domain.com .. that's what I meant by spam.. but if the address is hidden and there's only the sender showing they wouldn't know what the list address is .. I'm not talking about the professional spammers that can track the message headers but list members and all the people they forward the messages to, they take any address they lay their hands on and add it to their address books .. believe me it's more pain in the act than real spammers .. You mean your list members don't already know the address of the list they're on. If that's the case, it sounds like you're the spammer. Plus, the list address is in many more places in the message than the Sender: header such as the To: header (unless the list is fully personalized), Received: headers and the RFC 2369 List-*: headers. yet again, for the list owner getting loads of unrecognized bounces is pain enough, I get hundreds of'em and open each and every one of them to make sure that there are no real bounces! I am sympathetic with that one. Running large lists is not easy. However, I will tell you right now, I can't see ever making changes that would make it possible for you to hide the identity of a list from the members receiving its mail. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] hide list address for security ..
You mean your list members don't already know the address of the list they're on. If that's the case, it sounds like you're the spammer. ofcourse I don't want them to know the address for the very same reason, spam to the list.. besides, they subscribe thru a form in my site not by email to the -subscribe address.. and cancel their subscription thru a form too.. now I'm getting huge loads of spam not only to my list, but to my sender's address which I can't change because all my subscribers are advised to mark this address as 'safe sender' in hotmail and yahoo and others.. yet again, for the list owner getting loads of unrecognized bounces is pain enough, I get hundreds of'em and open each and every one of them to make sure that there are no real bounces! I am sympathetic with that one. Running large lists is not easy. it's not that large really, just a couple of thousands.. see? what if it's hundreds of thousands I guess I'd be having diabetes by now -:) However, I will tell you right now, I can't see ever making changes that would make it possible for you to hide the identity of a list from the members receiving its mail. well, at least I tried :) Thanks.. _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] hide list address for security ..
Khalil Abbas writes: ofcourse I don't want them to know the address for the very same reason, spam to the list.. Please don't call it spam on this list, where most people know what the word means, and many actually read the Green Card spam that started the whole issue (which wasn't on a mailing list at all, it was on Usenet). Spam is not unwanted mail, it is *mass-distributed* unwanted mail. We know you don't want it, but if you don't distinguish between the different ways it gets to you, we can't help you. Are people actually typing in the address? Or are they hitting reply, and inadvertantly sending to the list? If it's the latter, adding a Reply-To header that sends it to a black hole or an address that stores their replies for later handling (similar to what you have now, but hopefully segregates them from real spam for a while ... you could arrange to change it every day or so since it will surely leak). besides, they subscribe thru a form in my site not by email to the -subscribe address.. and cancel their subscription thru a form too.. now I'm getting huge loads of spam not only to my list, but to my sender's address which I can't change because all my subscribers are advised to mark this address as 'safe sender' in hotmail and yahoo and others.. You're starting to understand the constraints of the mail system. yet again, for the list owner getting loads of unrecognized bounces is pain enough, I get hundreds of'em and open each and every one of them to make sure that there are no real bounces! Run them through spamassassin or something like that. The odds that one is a real bounce is very low, you ought to be able to triage them a lot better before opening any. However, I will tell you right now, I can't see ever making changes that would make it possible for you to hide the identity of a list from the members receiving its mail. well, at least I tried :) If you would be more accurate in describing the situation and exactly what you're trying to accomplish, we could be of more help. Even if you're not a spammer, your whole attitude of looking for a convenient way to get your message to the list without actually fixing any problems is very similar to the spammers. If you don't fix that, you're probably not going to get very useful advice. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Does anyone have successfully integrated Apache James Mail Server with MailMan?
On Sep 12, 2009, at 12:02 PM, 小波 顾 wrote: And if you do, can you tell me some tips to get this done? No, but there were some discussions about this at Pycon. I'd be interesting in hearing anybody's experience with this. -Barry PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Microsoft Outlook and footer/signatureattachments
On Sep 11, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: There should be an option(s?) for the membership list to be entirely list-admin controlled, (the Hotel California option[1][2]), in which case the irrelevant headers should be suppressed. Definitely. Although I don't have tests for it yet, it will be possible to say, run Mailman 3 lists off of hardcoded CSV files, or plain text files, or other roster sources that aren't writable through the Mailman interface. -Barry PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: On 09/11/09 10:45, Barry Warsaw wrote: Even though I have a static address, my ISP won't give me a reverse DNS, so it can be a problem with any residential broadband service. Still it's very rare that I get such rejections these days (RedHat was one culprit, but they whitelisted me). Even if they are rare, you will still have problems like that. You could run your own mail server at your house and use your ISP's mail server as a smart host and get past the rejections because of your dynamic IP. Yep. I've considered setting up smarthost relaying just for the couple of domains that I have problems with. I'm fairly sure Postfix can do this. But honestly, it's been such a minimal problem that so far it hasn't been worth spending the time on. It now sounds like you already have a mail server at your house (and likely versed in some of the problems that can pose) and all you are considering adding is Mailman. If this is the case, I'd suggest giving Mailman a try. Conversely if you are talking about setting up a new mail server just to run Mailman, I'd suggest looking in to a hosted service. (I think setting up a new mail server just for a mailing list is a bit of a steep curve.) I will definitely give Mailman a try! :) -Barry PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
