Re: [Mailman-Users] Personalized Digests
Have you tried VERP? I'd rather not turn on VERP for all 60+ lists I'm running. As I recall it is a domain wide setting, not a per list setting. I was hoping there might be a way to use something like $(user_address) in non-digest mode on digest mailings for just the one list with the problem child on it. mjb. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] can not log into my admin account
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:26, John Ditzel jsdit...@msn.com wrote: I CAN NOT LOG INTO MY ADMIN ACCOUNT. MY WEB SITE IS VOODOO-SOUND.COM, I MAY HAVE USED MY jsdit...@msn.commailto:jsdit...@msn.com EMAIL ADDRESS OR cont...@voodoo-sound.commailto:cont...@voodoo-sound.com I DO KNOW MY PASSWORD IS voodoo CAN YOU EMAIL MY DETAILS TO THIS EMAIL. ALSO I STILL LOST ABOUT HOW THIS LIST EVEN WORKS AND HOW TO MAKE A LIST AND SO ON. I'M NEW AT THIS. CAN YOU DIRECT ME WHERE TO GET A FULL SET OF DIRECTIONS ON THIS SERVICE, PLEASE. THANK YOU, JOHN IF YOU NEED TO KNOW I USE SUPERGREEN HOSTING. And, once you've found that CAPS lock key again, go and change your password everywhere you use it - posting it for the world to see probably isn't the best thing to do. -- Please keep list traffic on the list. Rob MacGregor Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Personalized Digests
Mark J Bradakis wrote: I'd rather not turn on VERP for all 60+ lists I'm running. As I recall it is a domain wide setting, not a per list setting. Yes, VERP is a sitewide setting. You can VERP only personalized deliveries, but you then have the catch-22 - digests aren't personalized. I was hoping there might be a way to use something like $(user_address) in non-digest mode on digest mailings for just the one list with the problem child on it. It requires modifications to a few Mailman modules. It would be easier to set VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 for long enough to get the information. You could even change your crontab to run a shell script instead of cron/senddigests. The script could 1. edit mm_cfg.py to set VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 2. do bin/mailmanctl restart 2.5 sleep a bit 3. do cron/senddigests -l problem_list 3.5 sleep a bit 4. edit mm_cfg.py to set VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 0 5. do bin/mailmanctl restart 5.5 sleep a bit 6. do cron/senddigests -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Interesting Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12
Mark Sapiro wrote: Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: It exited with Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12. Webserver nor Mailman logs didn't give me a clue. Mailman's 'error' log should have a a complete traceback and other information about the error. Here is a sample log - it doesn't give me any clue about the nature of the problem, though: Nov 09 11:09:55 2009 admin(7664): admin(7664): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.12 -] admin(7664): [- Traceback --] admin(7664): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(7664): File /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman//scripts/driver, line 112, in run_main admin(7664): main() admin(7664): File /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, line 42, in main admin(7664): listinfo_overview() admin(7664): File /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, line 88, in listinfo_overview admin(7664): if mlist.advertised: admin(7664): File /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py, line 146, in __getattr__ admin(7664): raise AttributeError, name admin(7664): AttributeError: advertised admin(7664): [- Python Information -] admin(7664): sys.version = 2.6.1 (r261:67515, Aug 22 2009, 12:28:58) [GCC 4.3.2] admin(7664): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(7664): sys.prefix = /usr admin(7664): sys.exec_prefix = /usr admin(7664): sys.path= /usr admin(7664): sys.platform= linux2 admin(7664): [- Environment Variables -] admin(7664):SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/2.2.11 (Mandriva Linux/PREFORK-10.6mdv2009.1) admin(7664):SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo admin(7664):SERVER_SIGNATURE: addressApache/2.2.11 (Mandriva Linux/PREFORK-10.6mdv2009.1) Server at lists.wpkg.org Port 80/address admin(7664): admin(7664):REQUEST_METHOD: GET admin(7664):HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300 admin(7664):SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(7664):QUERY_STRING: admin(7664):HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 admin(7664):HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3) Gecko/20090914 Mandriva Linux/1.9.1.3-2mdv2010.0 (2010.0) Firefox/3.5.3 admin(7664):HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive admin(7664):SERVER_NAME: lists.wpkg.org admin(7664):REMOTE_PORT: 52584 admin(7664):SERVER_PORT: 80 admin(7664):SERVER_ADDR: 78.111.66.106 admin(7664):DOCUMENT_ROOT: /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman/cgi-bin admin(7664):PYTHONPATH: /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Interesting Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12
Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: Mark Sapiro wrote: Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: It exited with Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12. Webserver nor Mailman logs didn't give me a clue. Mailman's 'error' log should have a a complete traceback and other information about the error. Here is a sample log - it doesn't give me any clue about the nature of the problem, though: Nov 09 11:09:55 2009 admin(7664): admin(7664): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.12 -] admin(7664): [- Traceback --] admin(7664): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(7664): File /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman//scripts/driver, line 112, in run_main admin(7664): main() admin(7664): File /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, line 42, in main admin(7664): listinfo_overview() admin(7664): File /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py, line 88, in listinfo_overview admin(7664): if mlist.advertised: admin(7664): File /srv/www/vhosts/wpkg.org/mailman//Mailman/MailList.py, line 146, in __getattr__ admin(7664): raise AttributeError, name admin(7664): AttributeError: advertised It says that the listinfo CGI was building the overview page, and was going through the lists, instantiating each one to check it's domain and advertised attribute to see if it should be listed. In this process it encountered one list whose preserved state as loaded from lists/LISTNAME/config.pck had no 'advertised' attribute. I don't know why this occurred, or why 'touch'ing the config.pck would have any effect on this. If the problem were still occurring, there are ways to find out which is the problem list, but since it no longer occurs, I think there's nothing further that can be done. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Personalized Digests
On Nov 11, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Yes, VERP is a sitewide setting. You can VERP only personalized deliveries, but you then have the catch-22 - digests aren't personalized. BTW, I'm reworking the basic delivery machinery in Mailman 3, so I think it will be possible to do some personalization of digests. -Barry PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] How to monitor mailman transaction
Dear all, How can we monitor mailman transaction with Mail Server ? It means how could we know that how many email are delivered from mailman to mail server at a time point ? I check qfile/out but It didn't show exactly . Please guide me to do this. Best regards, Huu Hien -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How To disable bounce handler?
Looks like plesk is self healing... :-/ when you shut off and turn on mailman it rebuilds the list aliases. Also appears that I am running 2.1.9 and the plesk update for mailman doesn't actually update mailman!? I guess I need to figure out how to get 2.1.12 running. Currently ...12 update dies because it wants the python development package. Will the current python break plesk?? 8-0 So remind me again how plesk makes my life easier? :-P John I wrote: Thanks, I think I've got it set correct. My server has multiple domains, plesk and qmail... in case anybody with a similar setup is interested, I found the alias at /var/qmail/mailnames/domain/.qmail-listname-bounces John Mark Sapiro wrote: John wrote: I am having problems with my service provider handling outgoing list email... I would like to temporarily disable bounce handling for debug so I can see the complete bounces immediately. If you have access to the mailman installation, change the list-bounces alias to go to you. Otherwise, all you can do is make sure that bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is Yes so that when a member's delivery is disabled by bounce you receive the notice which contains the full bounce message. You can also reduce the threshold to cause delivery to be disabled and a notice sent on the first bounce, but if you do that in Mailman prior to 2.1.10, a bug in cron/disabled will possibly disable delivery for users with stale bounce info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to monitor mailman transaction
Hien HUYNH HUU wrote: Dear all, How can we monitor mailman transaction with Mail Server ? It means how could we know that how many email are delivered from mailman to mail server at a time point ? I check qfile/out but It didn't show exactly . You can either look at mailman's logs, at the MTA's logs, or watch the connection with something like wireshark/ethereal. z! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to monitor mailman transaction
I checked mailman's logs and MTA's logs , but It can't said exactly how many mails transferred between mail server and mailman at a point time. Have you got any idea ? Rgds, HHH -Original Message- From: Carl Zwanzig [mailto:c...@tuunq.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:15 AM To: Hien HUYNH HUU Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to monitor mailman transaction Hien HUYNH HUU wrote: Dear all, How can we monitor mailman transaction with Mail Server ? It means how could we know that how many email are delivered from mailman to mail server at a time point ? I check qfile/out but It didn't show exactly . You can either look at mailman's logs, at the MTA's logs, or watch the connection with something like wireshark/ethereal. z! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Fake Email
Again about this issue , Please guide me how to configure Approve Header for email policy ? And I wonder If using Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express to send mail to list , can user set header for him ? Rgds, Huu Hien -Original Message- From: mailman-users-bounces+hien.hh=sbsc.com...@python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+hien.hh=sbsc.com...@python.org] On Behalf Of Barry Warsaw Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:15 PM To: Conrad Richter Cc: Mailman-Users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Fake Email On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Conrad Richter wrote: Another way to deal with this is sender confirmation by email, where, like subscriber confirmation by email, a message is sent with a confirmation link. Mailman doesn't have this capability presently but it seems to me that since it already has subscriber confirmation, it should be possible to adapt that sender confirmation. This sender confirmation by email feature is available in L-Soft's LISTSERV, and it is an essential way to avoid fake email. In a post a few years ago Barry said that this feature was going to be in vers. 2.2, but that version never materialized. Will it be in vers. 3? Sort of. What I was talking about was using mail-back confirmation as an option for allowing postings from email addresses that Mailman has never seen before (i.e. non-validated). The confirmation message would be a sort of on-demand validation that would optionally be enough to allow that email address to post to the list. It still doesn't solve any of the authentication problems with those email addresses. -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How To disable bounce handler?
John writes: So remind me again how plesk makes my life easier? :-P For Mailman usage, it doesn't. It probably has a lot of plusses as an overall hosting solution. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to monitor mailman transaction
Hien HUYNH HUU writes: I checked mailman's logs and MTA's logs , but It can't said exactly how many mails transferred between mail server and mailman at a point time. I think that in the contrib directory there's a script that produces a summary of the logs. You should be able to get such statistics with that script or a modified version. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to monitor mailman transaction
On Nov 11, 2009, at 11:36 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I think that in the contrib directory there's a script that produces a summary of the logs. You should be able to get such statistics with that script or a modified version. I originally wrote the mmdsr script because there was all sorts of information in the wide variety of Mailman logs, but it was very inconsistent in the way that information was logged, and what went into what log file. At the time, I desperately needed more information to help me assist in the management of the mailing lists and general mail server functions for python.org, including this list. Since then, I've gotten a better handle on what is going on when, and I have had less need for the script myself, but there are others on the Mailman/Python.org Postmaster Team who continue to find that information very useful. Mark has semi-unofficially taken over continuing maintenance on it, which is fine by me because I haven't had the time or inclination to deal with some of the issues that have been reported since the last time I touched the script. However, that's just the Mailman side of that equation. You should have similar tools for whatever MTA you're using, so that you get a better idea of what's going on across the whole system. I have not touched any such scripts in many, many years, but I'm sure there are plenty of such tools available for various popular MTAs out there. -- Brad Knowles bradknow...@shub-internet.org LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman not receiving any emails.
I have mailman running in my virtual server with cpanel and whm (web host manager) I can easily create mailing lists and add subscribers to it through administration login. The problem is, the mailman does not receive any emails when a subscriber sends it to it. What might be the possible cases? I've checked the mta logs which seem to be routing the emails sent to mailing lists. here is the log entry of exim while receiving email for mailing list. 2009-11-11 23:00:16 1N8Qr2-0006Fx-QO = bibekshrestha [at] gmail.com H= qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27] P=esmtp S=2257 id=868f3a74091959y 7b997720s6491f2038ae8c...@mail.gmail.com T=[Mailman-yipl] testing sample email 2009-11-11 23:00:16 cwd=/var/spool/exim 3 args: /usr/sbin/exim -Mc 1N8Qr2-0006Fx-QO 2009-11-11 23:00:17 1N8Qr2-0006Fx-QO = sample1 sample1 [at] yiwebhost.com R=mailman_virtual_router T=mailman_virtual_transport 2009-11-11 23:00:17 1N8Qr2-0006Fx-QO Completed Where should i look now? Bibek Shrestha -- bibekshrestha at gmail dot com Blog: http://bibekshrestha.com.np Twitter: http://twitter.com/bibstha -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not receiving any emails.
Bibek Shrestha wrote: I have mailman running in my virtual server with cpanel and whm (web host manager) I can easily create mailing lists and add subscribers to it through administration login. The problem is, the mailman does not receive any emails when a subscriber sends it to it. What might be the possible cases? I've checked the mta logs which seem to be routing the emails sent to mailing lists. here is the log entry of exim while receiving email for mailing list. 2009-11-11 23:00:16 1N8Qr2-0006Fx-QO = bibekshrestha [at] gmail.com H= qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27] P=esmtp S=2257 id=868f3a74091959y 7b997720s6491f2038ae8c...@mail.gmail.com T=[Mailman-yipl] testing sample email 2009-11-11 23:00:16 cwd=/var/spool/exim 3 args: /usr/sbin/exim -Mc 1N8Qr2-0006Fx-QO 2009-11-11 23:00:17 1N8Qr2-0006Fx-QO = sample1 sample1 [at] yiwebhost.com R=mailman_virtual_router T=mailman_virtual_transport 2009-11-11 23:00:17 1N8Qr2-0006Fx-QO Completed Where should i look now? Is Mailman actually running? See the troubleshooting FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9 and the cPanel FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/sYA9. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to monitor mailman transaction
Hien HUYNH HUU wrote: I checked mailman's logs and MTA's logs , but It can't said exactly how many mails transferred between mail server and mailman at a point time. Mailman's smtp log contains entries like: Nov 11 18:16:07 2009 (2392) message-id smtp to listname for 181 recips, completed in 5.353 seconds It seems that that is exactly the information you're looking for. You can look at the raw log or use the mmdsr script referred to by Stephen and Brad to summarize it. If you need more detail that that, you'll have to analyze your MTA's logs. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
