[Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
Hi: Has anyone seen anything like this and what does it mean. I run a server with about 150 public mailman lists on it, and just got about 300 new subscriptions to various public lists, from the same domain at the same time. It is apot.com and the form is firstname dot lastname at apot.com and the first and last names are all different but believable. Is this like the zeusmail.com subscriptions a while back, I got a bunch, but never knew what they were about. Dave -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
* David Andrews dandr...@visi.com: Hi: Has anyone seen anything like this and what does it mean. I run a server with about 150 public mailman lists on it, and just got about 300 new subscriptions to various public lists, from the same domain at the same time. It is apot.com and the form is firstname dot lastname at apot.com and the first and last names are all different but believable. Is this like the zeusmail.com subscriptions a while back, I got a bunch, but never knew what they were about. Kill them all. Happened here with apotmail.com as well. -- Ralf Hildebrandt Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Campus Benjamin Franklin Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de | http://www.charite.de -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
* David Andrews dandr...@visi.com: Hi: Has anyone seen anything like this and what does it mean. I run a server with about 150 public mailman lists on it, and just got about 300 new subscriptions to various public lists, from the same domain at the same time. It is apot.com and the form is firstname dot lastname at apot.com and the first and last names are all different but believable. Is this like the zeusmail.com subscriptions a while back, I got a bunch, but never knew what they were about. From 209.190.19.68 ? -- Ralf Hildebrandt Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Campus Benjamin Franklin Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de | http://www.charite.de -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
* Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net: It's answerpot http://answerpot.com/ archiving your lists. Aha. In my case, they sent an email to the owner of one list about a week before with links to opt-in immediately or opt-out with the no response default being opt-in after a week with no response. I didn't respond, set the list's subscribe police to approve and waited. The interesting thing is I have a few advertised lists, some active, and the only one they targeted was effectively dormant. All the lists have private archives. I eventually got a couple of subscription requests from addresses similar to what you describe at apotmail.com. I discarded the requests and added ^.*[@.]apotmail\.com$ to the ban list of all my lists. Perhaps I'll change that to ^.*[@.]apot(mail)?\.com$ based on what you saw. Would be cool if you could do that on mail.python.org as well! -- Ralf Hildebrandt Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Campus Benjamin Franklin Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de | http://www.charite.de -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
On 7/17/2011 10:38 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: * Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net: I eventually got a couple of subscription requests from addresses similar to what you describe at apotmail.com. I discarded the requests and added ^.*[@.]apotmail\.com$ to the ban list of all my lists. Perhaps I'll change that to ^.*[@.]apot(mail)?\.com$ based on what you saw. Would be cool if you could do that on mail.python.org as well! I think you can do it much more easily than I. I could only do it on mail.python.org one list at a time via the web interface. There is a script at http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/add_banned.py (and mirrored at http://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/add_banned.py) which can be saved in Mailman's bin/ directory and then run via bin/withlist -a -r add_banned -- '^.*[@.]apot(mail)?\.com$' to add that re to the ban_list of all lists. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
Mark Sapiro wrote: I eventually got a couple of subscription requests from addresses similar to what you describe at apotmail.com. I discarded the requests and added ^.*[@.]apotmail\.com$ to the ban list of all my lists. When I wrote the amove, I hadn't seen my mmdsr report from yesterday. Yesterday (actually, today, July 17, 04:44 -) I had 6 banned subscription requests (2 each on 3 lists) from first.l...@apotmail.com addresses. This time, there was no advance email. Their getting bolder and even less scrupulous. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
When I wrote the amove, I hadn't seen my mmdsr report from yesterday. Yesterday (actually, today, July 17, 04:44 -) I had 6 banned subscription requests (2 each on 3 lists) from first.l...@apotmail.com addresses. This time, there was no advance email. Their getting bolder and even less scrupulous. Yeah, same on python.org -- Ralf Hildebrandt Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Campus Benjamin Franklin Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de | http://www.charite.de -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:53:39AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: bin/withlist -a -r add_banned -- '^.*[@.]apot(mail)?\.com$' Thanks for the heads-up. Only hit one of the five sets of lists I maintain, but still killed off. -- Jim Hacker: What appalling cynicism. Sir Humphrey: We call it diplomacy, Minister. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrating content to a new list
On Jul 15, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 7/15/2011 1:48 PM, Rob wrote: I think there are two ways to handle this. Both involve making a copy of archives/private/oldlist.mbox/oldlist.mbox and editing it (or perhaps opening it with mutt or similar) and deleting those messages you don't want available on newlist. So you end up with a mailbox with only those posts you want available to newlist. Then, if there haven't yet been any posts to newlist, just save that mailbox as archives/private/newlist.mbox/newlist.mbox making sure it's group is the mailman group, and run 'bin/arch --wipe newlist' to seed the newlist archive with the old posts. Or, if there have been posts to newlist, combine the mailbox with archives/private/newlist.mbox/newlist.mbox and run 'bin/arch --wipe newlist' to add those posts to the newlist archive. Mark, That worked, thanks. -Rob -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
David Andrews wrote: So, at the risk of seeming stupid, what is it that they are trying to do, or doing. Are they collecting addresses for spam, or what? If I don't ask, I won't learn. As I said in my original reply, It's answerpot http://answerpot.com/ archiving your lists. They are subscribing to your lists in order to collect list posts for their archive. See their web site for more info. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd Subscriptions
David Andrews wrote: Is there any reason to not let them do this? I think they are unscrupulous. I think that no one should archive any list without an affirmative opt-in request from the list owner. Further, my lists which answerpot has attempted to archive all have private archives. For someone to attempt to subscribe to such a list for the purpose of publicly archiving list posts is just plain wrong. My sponsoring organization is involved in a lot of public education kinds of things, and want to get the word out. Is there a negative, or spam risk, or something to letting them archive? You'd have to look at their existing archives and decide for yourself. It appears that they hide email addresses, but I don't know how thoroughly. The main thing for me is I consider them to be unscrupulous for not requiring positive opt-in and for attempting to archive lists whose archives are not public. I would not want to support their practices and their ad revenue with my list's content, even if that content were otherwise publicly archived.. And ... finally, why do they need multiple subscribes to the same list? Who knows? Maybe to increase the chances that at least one of the subscribe attempts will succeed. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
