Re: [Mailman-Users] Need new SMTP provider—SMTP2Go won't allow what they call autoforwarding

2017-02-14 Thread Adam Goldberg 
I probably recommended SMTP2Go, and sorry they're an issue for this. I use 
Amazon AWS SES for email lists. It's not perfect, but it's inexpensive and fast.

Adam Goldberg
202-507-9900




On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:13 PM -0500, "Dominik Hoffmann" 
> wrote:

Hi Everyone:

A few months ago STMP2Go was recommended to me, because Verizon discontinued 
authenticated mail relaying for senders not using a verizon.net email address. 
More than the purported attempt to fight spam, I think, this was a way to lock 
people into using Verizon email addresses and making it harder to switch ISPs 
for those who do not want to change email addresses in the process.

SMTP2Go now informs me that the handful of Mailman mailing lists I am running 
for each of my kids, which automatically send copies to me and my wife, in 
addition to the respective child, are a violation of their mail relaying 
policy, because there is no way to eliminate the relaying of spam. They are 
concerned that the mail server that ultimately receives these messages will rat 
on SMTP2Go as having relayed spam, which will make their reputation and the 
deliverability of their other customers’ messages suffer. In my case, however, 
the recipients are all on my personal mail server, which doesn’t do any such 
reporting.

Regardless, what are other Mailman admin’s recommendations for 3rd-party SMTP 
services, hopefully ones, where I will not run into trouble with my 
configuration?

Yours,

Dominik
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[Mailman-Users] Need new SMTP provider—SMTP2Go won't allow what they call autoforwarding

2017-02-14 Thread Dominik Hoffmann 
Hi Everyone:

A few months ago STMP2Go was recommended to me, because Verizon discontinued 
authenticated mail relaying for senders not using a verizon.net email address. 
More than the purported attempt to fight spam, I think, this was a way to lock 
people into using Verizon email addresses and making it harder to switch ISPs 
for those who do not want to change email addresses in the process.

SMTP2Go now informs me that the handful of Mailman mailing lists I am running 
for each of my kids, which automatically send copies to me and my wife, in 
addition to the respective child, are a violation of their mail relaying 
policy, because there is no way to eliminate the relaying of spam. They are 
concerned that the mail server that ultimately receives these messages will rat 
on SMTP2Go as having relayed spam, which will make their reputation and the 
deliverability of their other customers’ messages suffer. In my case, however, 
the recipients are all on my personal mail server, which doesn’t do any such 
reporting.

Regardless, what are other Mailman admin’s recommendations for 3rd-party SMTP 
services, hopefully ones, where I will not run into trouble with my 
configuration?

Yours,

Dominik
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

2017-02-14 Thread David Andrews 

Thanks!  As usual You're the man!

Dave

p.s.  I suppose I could edit and use for gmail too, and put them in a 
cron job and run once a day to take care of new folks.



At 04:30 PM 2/14/2017, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 02/14/2017 07:40 AM, David Andrews wrote:
>
> Well I will have to investigate further and see if that is the problem.
> You said "some time ago," and it is recent with me, which means it could
> be something else, or not.


True, but you should be able to tell from mail logs or Mailman's bounce
log. I.e., when an AOL user posts, does only the delivery to that AOL
user bounce or does delivery to all AOL users bounce.

The former was my case.


> Have you written, or is there a script to go
> through all lists and change attribute, and/or would it work to send
> them post acknowledgement? With 300 lists and over 12,000 users I can't
> really do it by hand.


Here's a withlist script. Save it in Mailman's bin/ directory as
aol_notmetoo.py

--- cut here ---
from Mailman import mm_cfg

def aol_notmetoo(mlist):
if not mlist.Locked():
mlist.Lock()
for member in mlist.getMembers():
if member.lower().endswith('@aol.com'):
mlist.setMemberOption(
member, mm_cfg.DontReceiveOwnPosts, 1)
# If you don't want to set 'ack' remove the next two lines
mlist.setMemberOption(
member, mm_cfg.AcknowledgePosts, 1)
mlist.Save()
mlist.Unlock()
--- cut here ---


Then you can run this via withlist

bin/withlist -a -r aol_notmetoo

That will set 'not metoo' and optionally 'ack' for every @aol.com member
on every list



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

2017-02-14 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 02/13/2017 07:45 PM, David Andrews wrote:
> Does anyone know if AOL has changed its DMARC policies recently.  All of
> a sudden I am getting lots of AOL bounces, or maybe they have black
> listed us?  nfbnet.org


Back to the original question.

I don't think AOL has changed anything with respect to DMARC. If it is
not the case that these are bounces of users own posts, then there is
another issue. What do the bounces (or rejects in the mail log) say is
the reason?

You may find  helpful.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

2017-02-14 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 02/14/2017 07:40 AM, David Andrews wrote:
> 
> Well I will have to investigate further and see if that is the problem.
> You said "some time ago," and it is recent with me, which means it could
> be something else, or not.


True, but you should be able to tell from mail logs or Mailman's bounce
log. I.e., when an AOL user posts, does only the delivery to that AOL
user bounce or does delivery to all AOL users bounce.

The former was my case.


> Have you written, or is there a script to go
> through all lists and change attribute, and/or would it work to send
> them post acknowledgement? With 300 lists and over 12,000 users I can't
> really do it by hand.


Here's a withlist script. Save it in Mailman's bin/ directory as
aol_notmetoo.py

--- cut here ---
from Mailman import mm_cfg

def aol_notmetoo(mlist):
if not mlist.Locked():
mlist.Lock()
for member in mlist.getMembers():
if member.lower().endswith('@aol.com'):
mlist.setMemberOption(
member, mm_cfg.DontReceiveOwnPosts, 1)
# If you don't want to set 'ack' remove the next two lines
mlist.setMemberOption(
member, mm_cfg.AcknowledgePosts, 1)
mlist.Save()
mlist.Unlock()
--- cut here ---


Then you can run this via withlist

bin/withlist -a -r aol_notmetoo

That will set 'not metoo' and optionally 'ack' for every @aol.com member
on every list



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderating the full message body

2017-02-14 Thread Richard Damon 
I have the option admin_immed_notify turned on, and with that an email is sent 
immediately to the moderator email address that includes as an attachment a 
complete copy of the message as sent.I find this very useful to check the 
message for anything funny. My mailing list is 'Plain Text Only' and some MUAs 
(particularly web email systems) sometimes send messages in a way that the 
whole message gets stripped, and being able to see the original message can 
help figure out what happened

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 1:22 AM, Barco van Rhijn  wrote:
> 
> I'm in need of more of the body text when moderating a message.
> 
> When new users post for the first time they often need moderation in the 
> beginning while they settle in. After this users are left to post more freely 
> while the community keeps a watchful eye.
> 
> I'm aware that if a message is held for moderation that I can:
> 
> * View an excerpt of the body text
> * Forward the message on to myself (In a time consuming format where I
>   have to open the message as an attachment for every message). This
>   format is very unfriendly to work with if you process more than 10
>   messages this way.
> 
> 1. My question really is if it's possible to enable viewing the entire body 
> in moderation.
> 
> Or
> 
> 2. If it's possible to have messages that are forwarded (like a traditional 
> message forward - on to the moderator).
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

2017-02-14 Thread David Andrews 

At 08:57 AM 2/14/2017, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 02/13/2017 09:33 PM, Jayson Smith wrote:
>
> One of my mailing lists has one AOL user who finally got tired of *his*
> messages to the list being rejected by AOL.


Some time ago, I noticed that when an AOL user posts to a list, the list
copy sent back to that user, but not other AOL users, was always
rejected with the "AOL will not accept delivery of this message."
reason. This is similar to Gmail (see )
except Gmail just drops the message rather than bouncing it.

Anyway, I just set all the AOL list members to not receive their own
posts (they weren't receiving them anyway), and that worked around the
problem.


Well I will have to investigate further and see if that is the 
problem. You said "some time ago," and it is recent with me, which 
means it could be something else, or not.  Have you written, or is 
there a script to go through all lists and change attribute, and/or 
would it work to send them post acknowledgement? With 300 lists and 
over 12,000 users I can't really do it by hand.


Dave


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderating the full message body

2017-02-14 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 02/13/2017 10:22 PM, Barco van Rhijn wrote:
> 
> 1. My question really is if it's possible to enable viewing the entire
> body in moderation.



The number of lines of the message body displayed in the admindb web
interface can be set in mm_cfg.py. The Defaults.py setting is

ADMINDB_PAGE_TEXT_LIMIT = 4096

> Or
> 
> 2. If it's possible to have messages that are forwarded (like a
> traditional message forward - on to the moderator).


The admindb interface has a Forward checkbox. Check the box, set the
message disposition to 'Defer', change the default listname-owner
address for the forward if necessary and Submit. Then after reviewing
the forwarded message, go back and Accept, Reject or Discard the message

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

2017-02-14 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 02/13/2017 09:33 PM, Jayson Smith wrote:
> 
> One of my mailing lists has one AOL user who finally got tired of *his*
> messages to the list being rejected by AOL.


Some time ago, I noticed that when an AOL user posts to a list, the list
copy sent back to that user, but not other AOL users, was always
rejected with the "AOL will not accept delivery of this message."
reason. This is similar to Gmail (see )
except Gmail just drops the message rather than bouncing it.

Anyway, I just set all the AOL list members to not receive their own
posts (they weren't receiving them anyway), and that worked around the
problem.

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