Re: [Mailman-Users] How to track down Digest spam reporter

[Mark Sapiro]

On 02/16/2017 06:37 PM, Scott Neader wrote:
> 
> Normally we can turn on "Personalization" and add the subscriber's email
> address to the footer... but this can't be done for Digests. Any other
> ideas on how we can track down this spam reporter and get them off the
> list, short of moving every Hotmail user off the digests?


Set VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 in mm_cfg.py. This will cause Mailman to
send all messages with envelope from
listname-bounces+user=example.com@list.domain where u...@example.com is
the user sent to. That address will also be in Sender: and Errors-To:
headers.


>  And, as a side
> question, I'm curious about the technical reasons why Personalization can't
> be available for Digests.


There are differences in how digest_header and digest_footer are added
to messages as opposed to how msg_header and msg_footer are added. In
particular, digest_header and digest_footer are added while the message
is being created and the digest_header is not the first thing in the
message. It comes between the masthead and the table of contents.
Footers are added at the end, but in plain digests, the footer is added
as if it is another message with Subject: Digest Footer for RFC 1153
compliance and in MIME digests both the header and footer are added as
separate MIME parts with Content-Description: Digest Header and Digest
Footer respectively.

All this says that the process used to add msg_header and msg_footer
during delivery when recipients are known doesn't work for digests.

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[Mailman-Users] How to track down Digest spam reporter

[Scott Neader]

We have a fairly active mailing list where at least one Hotmail user is
marking every Digest message they receive as "spam".  We receive the
reports from Hotmail, but we have no way of knowing which subscriber is
causing these spam reports (or we'd remove them, of course).

Normally we can turn on "Personalization" and add the subscriber's email
address to the footer... but this can't be done for Digests. Any other
ideas on how we can track down this spam reporter and get them off the
list, short of moving every Hotmail user off the digests?  And, as a side
question, I'm curious about the technical reasons why Personalization can't
be available for Digests.

Thanks, in advance!

- Scott
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for better servicess for mailing list

[Mark Dale]

Hi Amit,

If your group is a community service organisation (and a not-for-profit)
we'd be happy to host your lists for you at no charge.


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On 16/02/17 19:15, Amit Bhatt wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> We are running two mailing lists with the host ultra.us for visually
> impaired people in India.
> Inicially ultra.us provided their support when we hired their services
> but they are not ready to respond even the tickets we have raised for
> the resolution now. Currently we are facing lot of problems and bugs
> but they are not fixing them.
> 
> I will appreciate if some other good and cost effective service
> provider can be suggested to me, so I can change the host and mailing
> list service provider for the smooth functioning of the mailing list.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Friendly name for digest sender

[Mark Sapiro]

On 02/16/2017 01:48 PM, Bryan Blackwell wrote:
> 
> I noticed recently that there's no real name for my digest mail - the 
> -request address is correctly displayed, but there no friendly name.  So on 
> my Yahoo mail the pop up display for message shows the sender name as "null". 
>  Clearly this isn't a big deal, but I looked and couldn't find a setting, is 
> there an easy way to have a name associated with that address?


You (or the admins of your list's server) would need to patch the code
in Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py. Near the top, change

> from email.Utils import getaddresses, formatdate

to

> from email.Utils import getaddresses, formatdate, formataddr

and in the send_i18n_digests function, change the lines

> mimemsg['From'] = mlist.GetRequestEmail()

and

> rfc1153msg['From'] = mlist.GetRequestEmail()

to

> mimemsg['From'] = formataddr(mlist.description, mlist.GetRequestEmail())

and

> rfc1153msg['From'] = formataddr(mlist.description, 
> mlist.GetRequestEmail())

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[Mailman-Users] Friendly name for digest sender

[Bryan Blackwell]

Hi folks,

I noticed recently that there's no real name for my digest mail - the -request 
address is correctly displayed, but there no friendly name.  So on my Yahoo 
mail the pop up display for message shows the sender name as "null".  Clearly 
this isn't a big deal, but I looked and couldn't find a setting, is there an 
easy way to have a name associated with that address?

--Bryan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] can I use text box for real names for a different purpose

[Mark Sapiro]

On 02/16/2017 02:47 AM, Christina Endemann wrote:
> 
> The users of our mailing list don't use their personal accounts for the 
> mailing list, and don't work with commands, like requesting the list of 
> members. 
> In that case, can I use the text field in the membership list which is 
> provided for real names for a different purpose? 


You can use that field for anything you want. The biggest potential
downside I see is when DMARC mitigation is applied to a message. If the
original post is

From: John Doe 

the DMARC mitigated message will be

From: John Doe via list 

However, if the original is

From: j...@example.com

without a display name, the DMARC mitigated message will be

From: xxx via list 

where xxx is the contents of that field. A similar situation occurs when
a list is fully personalized so each post is addressed To: the
recipient. In that case the post sent to j...@example.com will be addressed

To: xxx 

where xxx is again the contents of that field.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for better servicess for mailing list

[Brian Carpenter]

> Hello all,
> 
> We are running two mailing lists with the host ultra.us for visually
> impaired people in India.
> Inicially ultra.us provided their support when we hired their services
> but they are not ready to respond even the tickets we have raised for
> the resolution now. Currently we are facing lot of problems and bugs
> but they are not fixing them.
> 
> I will appreciate if some other good and cost effective service
> provider can be suggested to me, so I can change the host and mailing
> list service provider for the smooth functioning of the mailing list.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Amit Bhatt

Hi Amit,

We are a mailman hosting provider and have been offering great support to
our list clients for over 10+ years. Our pricing is very reasonable and we
are able offer full migration assistance for your list configurations,
members, and archives. More details about our service can be found at:

https://www.emwd.com/mailman-hosting/

You can also find a list of mailman friendly hosts at:

https://wiki.list.org/COM/Mailman%20hosting%20services

Feel free to contact me off-list if you have more questions.

Brian Carpenter
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Providing Cloud Services and more for over 15 years.

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[Mailman-Users] can I use text box for real names for a different purpose

[Christina Endemann]

Dear all, 

The users of our mailing list don't use their personal accounts for the mailing 
list, and don't work with commands, like requesting the list of members. 
In that case, can I use the text field in the membership list which is provided 
for real names for a different purpose? 

The reason  is that only certain groups are entitled to use our mailing lists. 
I would like to use that text field to specify to which group that person 
belongs, e.g. the company name. 

Thanks in advance, 

Christina


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for better servicess for mailing list

[Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users]

Hi Amit 

We use digimouse.eu for mailing lists and web hosting. Support is very 
responsive, however I have no insight about the cost. I asked them to contact 
you if they are interested.

Good luck, Chrisitan

Hello Amit Bhatt. On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 13:45:36 +0530, you wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> We are running two mailing lists with the host ultra.us for visually
> impaired people in India.
> Inicially ultra.us provided their support when we hired their services
> but they are not ready to respond even the tickets we have raised for
> the resolution now. Currently we are facing lot of problems and bugs
> but they are not fixing them.
> 
> I will appreciate if some other good and cost effective service
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> list service provider for the smooth functioning of the mailing list.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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[Mailman-Users] Looking for better servicess for mailing list

[Amit Bhatt]

Hello all,

We are running two mailing lists with the host ultra.us for visually
impaired people in India.
Inicially ultra.us provided their support when we hired their services
but they are not ready to respond even the tickets we have raised for
the resolution now. Currently we are facing lot of problems and bugs
but they are not fixing them.

I will appreciate if some other good and cost effective service
provider can be suggested to me, so I can change the host and mailing
list service provider for the smooth functioning of the mailing list.

Thanks,

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