[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailing List Bounce Issues

[Mark Sapiro]

On 1/26/21 5:57 PM, steve lund wrote:
> 
> We seem to be having all too frequent occurrences of multiple bounces that
> seem to be related only to the domain of the address recipient.


As pointed out in another reply, this is likely a DMARC issue and MM
2.1.34 has settings to mitigate this.


> The interesting thing about this occurrence other than losing the name
> associated with the email address (since the members were unsubscribed not
> just disabled) is that I NEVER received ANY bounce notifications other than
> the unsubscribe notification. I find this quite odd and unsettling
> considering that the list shows that it IS configured to send earlier
> bounce notifications and I have received them in the past... just not
> leading up to this latest incident. The typical error message is:
> 
> jonxx_daj...@yahoo.com  has been removed from
> MSing-ride. (disabled address)


That occurred after the users delivery was disabled by bounce and the
notices to the user were exhausted. When the delivery was first
disabled, (three weeks earlier with default bounce settings) there was a
notice sent to the list admins about the disable if the list's admin
Bounce processing -> bounce_notify_owner_on_disable setting is Yes.

Also, you can set Bounce processing ->
bounce_notify_owner_on_bounce_increment to Yes to be sent a notice when
a bounce is received that increments the score.

If one or both of these settings is Yes and you aren't receiving the
notices, that's between Mailman's MTA and you.


> So I guess that my question is whether or not these types of problems are
> now endemic to all email lists or ifOur ISP is technically "challenged"
> and
> 
> 1. Doesn't know how to properly configure Mailman to send out the requested
> notifications.


Since you got the unsub notice, I'd expect that all requested notices
have been sent.


> 2. Continues to get blacklisted for sending SPAM even though they don't.


What are your settings under Privacy options... -> Sender filters for
dmarc_moderation_action and dmarc_quarantine_moderation_action? at a
minimum, they should be Munge From and Yes respectively.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Export members

[Mark Sapiro]

On 1/27/21 8:21 AM, Carl Zwanzig wrote:
> On 1/27/2021 7:58 AM, David Doonan via Mailman-Users wrote:
>> Is there a way to export the members of a list?
> 
> the bin/list_members script in the mailman directory; needs shell access

And you can do this without shell access by screen scraping the admin
GUI with the script at
 which runs
under Python on your workstation or if you prefer Python 3,
. These scripts
are mirrored at .

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Conceal yourself from subscriber list

[Mark Sapiro]

On 1/27/21 8:12 AM, David Doonan via Mailman-Users wrote:
> Is it possible to remove the option "Conceal yourself from subscriber list”?


You can go to the admin UI for the list and select "Edit the public HTML
pages and text files" on the upper right and then edit the "User
specific options page" and remove the lines

> 
> Conceal yourself from subscriber list?
> When someone views the list membership, your email address is
> normally shown (in an obscured fashion to thwart spam
> harvesters).  If you do not want your email address to show up
> on this membership roster at all, select Yes for this option.
> 
> No
> Yes
> 


This will remove the setting from the options page, but it won't affect
users who already have set it or setting via the email set command.

To disable the email `set hide on/off` command, you'd need to remove the
3 lines at


To ignore it completely for the GUI roster, you would need to edit

and just set `list_hidden = True`.

To ignore it completely for the email `who` command you could just
insert `full = True` at


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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailing List Bounce Issues

[Russell Clemings]

Have you seen this?

https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC



On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 9:05 AM steve lund  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am the mailing list administrator for a charity cycling team. The list
> currently has about 150 members. The list and our website is hosted by a
> local ISP who is running Mailman 2.1.34.
>
> We seem to be having all too frequent occurrences of multiple bounces that
> seem to be related only to the domain of the address recipient. Previously
> we have had issues with AOL.com and Mindspring.com email domains. The main
> result of these are disabled subscriptions due to excessive bounces.
>
> The latest in this continuing saga occurred on Monday morning when I
> received notification that 12! list members with Yahoo.com email domain
> addresses had been unsubscribed from the list! I am assuming that this is
> the sum total of ALL yahoo addresses in our list.
>
> The interesting thing about this occurrence other than losing the name
> associated with the email address (since the members were unsubscribed not
> just disabled) is that I NEVER received ANY bounce notifications other than
> the unsubscribe notification. I find this quite odd and unsettling
> considering that the list shows that it IS configured to send earlier
> bounce notifications and I have received them in the past... just not
> leading up to this latest incident. The typical error message is:
>
> jonxx_daj...@yahoo.com  has been removed from
> MSing-ride. (disabled address)
>
> So I guess that my question is whether or not these types of problems are
> now endemic to all email lists or ifOur ISP is technically "challenged"
> and
>
> 1. Doesn't know how to properly configure Mailman to send out the requested
> notifications.
> 2. Continues to get blacklisted for sending SPAM even though they don't.
>
> Thanks for any insight.
>
> Steve
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[Mailman-Users] Mailing List Bounce Issues

[steve lund]

Hello,

I am the mailing list administrator for a charity cycling team. The list
currently has about 150 members. The list and our website is hosted by a
local ISP who is running Mailman 2.1.34.

We seem to be having all too frequent occurrences of multiple bounces that
seem to be related only to the domain of the address recipient. Previously
we have had issues with AOL.com and Mindspring.com email domains. The main
result of these are disabled subscriptions due to excessive bounces.

The latest in this continuing saga occurred on Monday morning when I
received notification that 12! list members with Yahoo.com email domain
addresses had been unsubscribed from the list! I am assuming that this is
the sum total of ALL yahoo addresses in our list.

The interesting thing about this occurrence other than losing the name
associated with the email address (since the members were unsubscribed not
just disabled) is that I NEVER received ANY bounce notifications other than
the unsubscribe notification. I find this quite odd and unsettling
considering that the list shows that it IS configured to send earlier
bounce notifications and I have received them in the past... just not
leading up to this latest incident. The typical error message is:

jonxx_daj...@yahoo.com  has been removed from
MSing-ride. (disabled address)

So I guess that my question is whether or not these types of problems are
now endemic to all email lists or ifOur ISP is technically "challenged"
and

1. Doesn't know how to properly configure Mailman to send out the requested
notifications.
2. Continues to get blacklisted for sending SPAM even though they don't.

Thanks for any insight.

Steve
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Export members

[David Doonan via Mailman-Users]

Thanks Brian!

David



> On Jan 27, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Brian Carpenter  
> wrote:
> 
> This is what I have in our knowledgebase:
> 
> List administrators/moderators can now receive a backup of their membership 
> roster via e-mail by using the ‘who’ command. Here are the instructions on 
> how to do this:
> 
> 1. Send an e-mail to listname-requ...@yourlistdomain.com 
> . (Replace the listname and your 
> listdomain.com  with your own list specific 
> information)
> 
> 2. In the subject line, type “who password”. Do not add the quotes, and 
> substitute ‘password’ with your list administrator or moderator password.
> 
> The mailman server will reply to the who command with a break down of your 
> membership roster between regular (non-digest members) members and digest 
> members. It will even include their full name if it was added previously to 
> the roster.
> 
> 
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Export members

[Brian Carpenter]

On 1/27/21 10:58 AM, David Doonan via Mailman-Users wrote:

Is there a way to export the members of a list?

Mailman version 2.1.33


This is what I have in our knowledgebase:

List administrators/moderators can now receive a backup of their 
membership roster via e-mail by using the ‘who’ command. Here are the 
instructions on how to do this:


1. Send an e-mail to listname-requ...@yourlistdomain.com. (Replace the 
listname and your listdomain.com with your own list specific information)


2. In the subject line, type “who password”. Do not add the quotes, and 
substitute ‘password’ with your list administrator or moderator password.


The mailman server will reply to the who command with a break down of 
your membership roster between regular (non-digest members) members and 
digest members. It will even include their full name if it was added 
previously to the roster.



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[Mailman-Users] Re: Export members

[Carl Zwanzig]

On 1/27/2021 7:58 AM, David Doonan via Mailman-Users wrote:

Is there a way to export the members of a list?


the bin/list_members script in the mailman directory; needs shell access

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[Mailman-Users] Conceal yourself from subscriber list

[David Doonan via Mailman-Users]

Is it possible to remove the option "Conceal yourself from subscriber list”?

David
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[Mailman-Users] Export members

[David Doonan via Mailman-Users]

Is there a way to export the members of a list?

Mailman version 2.1.33

Thanks,

David
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