Re: [Mailman-Users] cleaning up dead addresses

2006-06-11 Thread Daevid Vincent
 This is _exactly_ why I asked for a re-confirm 
 subscription request. 
 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1504
 204group_id=103atid=100103
 
 
 Which was just submitted as a bug and duplicates your RFE of a couple
 of weeks ago at
 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1495
 305group_id=103atid=350103.
 
 It doesn't really help to re-submit what is really a feature 
 request as
 a bug. It just clutters up the tracker and makes the task of fixing
 things seem more daunting than it really is.
 
 If you're just trying to ping us to see if we're paying attention, it
 would be much better to add a comment to your original request.

No, I actually did search for my previous entry, as I could swear I had
entered one, but couldn't find it. Honest Injun I looked via several key
words and even tried to find via my 'username'. So I thought perhaps I
THOUGHT I entered one, but it never actually got submitted or something
(like as in CGI error or timeout or who knows)...

Sorry for the duplicate entry. It was not my intention.

D

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Re: [Mailman-Users] cleaning up dead addresses

2006-06-10 Thread Daevid Vincent
Yeah, except the problem is that most servers just silently accept on
behalf of that person. Ever get a bounce back from hotmail, AOL, or any
other big ISP? NO.

This is _exactly_ why I asked for a re-confirm subscription request. 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1504204group_id=10
3atid=100103

:(

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Patrick Bogen
 Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:10 AM
 To: Mark Sapiro
 Cc: mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] cleaning up dead addresses
 
 On 6/8/06, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I was reviewing one of my lists today and recognize 
 several email addresses
  for recipients who are long since moved, and whose 
 addresses are likely
  dead.
  
  How does Mailman manage these?
  In accord with the settings on the list admin Bounce 
 processing page.
 
 To be a bit more precise, the way this works is that Mailman goes
 ahead and sends messages to these addresses. If the bounce (that is,
 the remove server sends a message back saying that the original
 message was undeliverable), bounce processing takes over. In general,
 after some number of bounces occur (not on the same day) within some
 time period, the account will be disabled, and eventually deleted.
 
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[Mailman-Users] Feature Req: Re-confirm subscription

2006-05-25 Thread Daevid Vincent
If there is a way to do this, please let me know, I didn't see anything in
the FAQ.

I also didn't see a 'bug/feature' tracking system link anywhere? 
Is there a bugzilla or anything for mailman?

---

Anyways, I have a suspicion that some of my lists' mails are not getting to
their destinations. This could be that some people used their job email and
no longer work there, could be that they are on AOL or hotmail (which seem
to just silently discard), or could be just people that joined up and now
'junk mail or filter' the list because they're either to stupid or lazy to
properly unsubscribe.

Bottom line is that I'm paying per emails sent (via my quota on DynDNS) and
I want to unsubscribe these dead members.

It would be great if I could push a button in the web GUI (or run some
command on the CLI) and mailman would reset every members status to
'unconfirmed' (or whatever it is), mail them a link to click (with some
crazy code in it like when you join a list), and then mark the responders as
'confirmed'. 

Then after some period of time, say a week or so, I could then go into the
GUI, click some link and see a list of all 'unconfirmed' people with the
option to unsubscribe them all (without sending an email obviously, since
the address is bogus).

Extra points if I can schedule this task to occur every month, every six
months, once a year, etc... (probably some 'day' interval would be
sufficient here).

ÐÆ5ÏÐ 

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[Mailman-Users] Unknown password on new list...

2006-02-09 Thread Daevid Vincent
I just set up a new list, and must have fat fingered the password. 
How can I change it since I cannot log into the GUI?

I see 'mmsitepass', but it changes a master password for all lists. I don't
want that. I only want to change for ONE specific list.

Also, this seems kind of short-sighted that it takes only one password on
the command line and hides the typing. Why doesn't mailman ask for a
confirmation of the password, and keep re-prompting for a new one if they do
not match?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unknown password on new list...

2006-02-09 Thread Daevid Vincent
Just to clarify, I'm not completely retarded. Yes, an email is sent, however
it says:

Your mailing list password is:

 

cand^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hvegas 

And obviously, when I try to type that into the GUI, it fails.

I've also tried the following combinations with no luck:

cand
candvegas
vegas


 -Original Message-
 From: Daevid Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 5:05 PM
 To: 'Mailman Users'
 Subject: Unknown password on new list...
 
 I just set up a new list, and must have fat fingered the password. 
 How can I change it since I cannot log into the GUI?
 
 I see 'mmsitepass', but it changes a master password for all 
 lists. I don't want that. I only want to change for ONE specific list.
 
 Also, this seems kind of short-sighted that it takes only one 
 password on the command line and hides the typing. Why 
 doesn't mailman ask for a confirmation of the password, and 
 keep re-prompting for a new one if they do not match?
 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman send one message at a time, or all at once?

2005-12-03 Thread Daevid Vincent
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Brad Knowles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:33 PM
 To: Daevid Vincent
 Cc: 'Mailman Users'
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Does mailman send one message at 
 a time, or all at once?
 
 At 6:06 PM -0800 2005-12-02, Daevid Vincent wrote:
 
   I run a 'mailman v2.1.5' list for club events happening 
 around town. I have
   around 150 people on the list. Will this work? Does 
 mailman send out one
   message at a time, or will I be limited to this restriction above?
 
   By default, Mailman will group recipients together into chunks 
 the size specified in your mm_cfg.py, or in Defaults.py (if you 
 didn't put in anything in mm_cfg.py).

So are you saying, I could tell mailman to group in chunks of say 50 and
even though I have 150 people on the list, mailman would deliver 3 batches
of 50 to cover them all? Thereby I can keep below my 100 / email limitation
that this service provides me?

   However, if you turn on personalization, then Mailman will send 
 out one message per person.  Search the FAQ for VERP and 
 personalization in order to learn more.
 
   P.S. if anyone can suggest a way to get out of RBL hell, I 
 am all ears. I
   run Gentoo and Exim 4.54 on my home cable modem. I'm 
 getting increasingly
   frustrated with this RBL shit. Many ISPs (AOL, earthlink, 
 etc.) are blocking
   mail from my domain simply because I happen to be on a 
 Comcast (Seattle, WA)
   dynamic IP.
 
   Use an outbound mail relay service, whereby you pay 
 them money to 
 act as your relay.  Route all outbound mail through them.  Make sure 
 they're clean and not spammer-friendly, otherwise you're back in the 
 same RBL hell that you're in now.

Is this different than 
http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/outbound.html
Or
http://www.no-ip.com/services/managed_mail/inbound_port_25_unblock.html

Can you (or anyone) suggest one that just works with my setup (above)?

Thanks for the reply.

Daevid.

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[Mailman-Users] Does mailman send one message at a time, or all at once?

2005-12-02 Thread Daevid Vincent
I'm considering getting this MailHop Outbound service, however one of the
restrictions they have is in this FAQ:

http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/faq.html#q114
Q: What is the maximum number of recipients in a message sent via MailHop
Outbound?
A: You may specify at most 100 recipients per message. If you need to send a
message to more than 100 recipients, you will need to split it into blocks
of 100 or less. This restriction is necessary to deter spammers.

I run a 'mailman v2.1.5' list for club events happening around town. I have
around 150 people on the list. Will this work? Does mailman send out one
message at a time, or will I be limited to this restriction above?

Daevid.

P.S. if anyone can suggest a way to get out of RBL hell, I am all ears. I
run Gentoo and Exim 4.54 on my home cable modem. I'm getting increasingly
frustrated with this RBL shit. Many ISPs (AOL, earthlink, etc.) are blocking
mail from my domain simply because I happen to be on a Comcast (Seattle, WA)
dynamic IP.

You had me at EHLO --E.Webb (10.04.05) 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

2005-09-13 Thread Daevid Vincent
 -Original Message-
 From: John W. Baxter

 Has Exim lost its setuid bit (and/or its root ownership) in 
 the upgrade?

Thanks for the suggestion John, but the perms look correct. Also, other
email works fine (incoming/outgoing). It's only mailman...

daevid ~ # which exim
/usr/sbin/exim

daevid ~ # ll /usr/sbin/exim
-rws--x--x  1 root root 830012 Jul  7 00:57 /usr/sbin/exim

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

2005-09-13 Thread Daevid Vincent
 Mark said, Yes, it has the flags, but what is the value of 
 the ${MAILGID}
 parameter?  The error message you received says it's 
 'mailman' and should be
 'mail'. 
 
 And looking at the log, he seems to be correct:
 Sep 12 12:16:19 [Mailman mail-wrapper] Group mismatch error.  Mailman
 expected the mail_wrapper script to be executed as group 
 mailman, but_the
 system's mail server executed the mail script as_group 
 mail.  Try tweaking
 the mail server to run the_script as group mailman, or 
 re-run configure,
 _providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'._
 
 But the .ebuild script sets it to gid 280, shouldn't it be 
 8? why is that?
 Is that the problem? How can I fix that. Re-emerging doesn't 
 let me change
 those .ebuild values. MD5 errors and such.
 
 APACHEGID=81
 MAILGID=280
 
 src_compile() {
 econf \
 --prefix=${INSTALLDIR} \
 --with-mail-gid=${MAILGID} \
 --with-cgi-gid=${APACHEGID} \
 || die configure failed
 
 make || die make failed
 }  
 
 # ll /etc/exim/exim.conf
 -rw-r--r--  1 root root 29452 Apr 29 13:54 /etc/exim/exim.conf
 
   # User and group for Mailman, should match your --with-mail-gid
   # switch to Mailman's configure script.
   # Value is normally mailman
   MM_UID=mailman
   MM_GID=mailman
 
 So, these match what the comment says there, and what the 
 .ebuild is doing.
 
 I'm so confused. *sigh* 
 
 
 As well you should be at this point. The wrapper is telling 
 you that it
 expects to be executed as group 'mailman', and it looks from what
 you've presented that it was in fact built that way. It also seems you
 can't change it in your update package.
 
 The wrapper also complains that it is not being executed as group
 'mailman', but rather as group 'mail'. This is the confusing part
 because it seems from the above that you are telling Exim to invoke
 the wrapper as group 'mailman' yet the wrapper is telling you it is
 being invoked as group 'mail'. I would look carefully at the Exim
 configuration to be sure that
 
   MM_UID=mailman
   MM_GID=mailman
 
 are in the right place and are not being overridden somewhere else.

Below is portions of my /etc/exim/exim.conf. I deleted out any irrellevant
parts, but I kept everything in the right order... I believe it's pretty
much stock. (I don't know much about exim).

# cat /etc/exim/exim.conf

##
#  Runtime configuration file for Exim   #
##


#
# copied from http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#exconf
#
  # Home dir for your Mailman installation -- aka Mailman's prefix
directory.
  # By default this is set to /usr/local/mailman
  # On a Red Hat/Fedora system using the RPM use /var/mailman
  # On Debian using the deb package use /var/lib/mailman
  # This is normally the same as ~mailman
  MM_HOME=/usr/local/mailman
  #
  # User and group for Mailman, should match your --with-mail-gid
  # switch to Mailman's configure script.
  # Value is normally mailman
  MM_UID=mailman
  MM_GID=mailman
  #
  # Domains that your lists are in - colon separated list
  # you may wish to add these into local_domains as well
  domainlist
mm_domains=daevid.com:rollinballzcrew.com:me-racing.com:marq.org
  #
  # -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
  #
  # These values are derived from the ones above and should not need
  # editing unless you have munged your mailman installation
  #
  # The path of the Mailman mail wrapper script
  MM_WRAP=MM_HOME/mail/mailman
  #
  # The path of the list config file (used as a required file when
  # verifying list addresses)
  MM_LISTCHK=MM_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.pck


##
#MAIN CONFIGURATION SETTINGS #
##

exim_user = mail

##
#  ROUTERS CONFIGURATION #
#   Specifies how addresses are handled  #
##
# THE ORDER IN WHICH THE ROUTERS ARE DEFINED IS IMPORTANT!   #
# An address is passed to each router in turn until it is accepted.  #
##

mailman_router:
driver = accept
domains = +mm_domains
require_files = MM_LISTCHK
local_part_suffix_optional
local_part_suffix = -admin : \
-bounces   : -bounces+* : \
-confirm   : -confirm+* : \
-join  : -leave : \
-owner : -request : \
-subscribe : -unsubscribe
transport = mailman_transport

procmail:
  debug_print = R: procmail for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  driver = accept
  

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

2005-09-13 Thread Daevid Vincent
   From: John W. Baxter
  daevid ~ # which exim
  /usr/sbin/exim
  
  daevid ~ # ll /usr/sbin/exim
  -rws--x--x  1 root root 830012 Jul  7 00:57 /usr/sbin/exim
 
 I doubt it can just be mailman. 

Well, exim hasn't changed since that date above, and the config hasn't
changed for even longer, so I believe it *is* mailman and not exim:

# ll
total 80
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root  4096 Jun 26 12:45 .
drwxr-xr-x  77 root root  4096 Sep 13 03:14 ..
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   775 Jul  7 00:57 auth_conf.sub
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 29452 Apr 29 13:54 exim.conf
-rw-r--r--   1 root root 25931 Jul  7 00:57 exim.conf.dist
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  8120 Jul  7 00:57 system_filter.exim

Mailman WAS working just fine until September 7th, when I updated it.

# ll /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
-rwxr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 7768 Sep  7 11:34
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman

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[Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

2005-09-12 Thread Daevid Vincent
Mailman was working, then a (Gentoo) 'emerge -Davu system' update happened
the other day and looks like it broke mailman.

daevid portage-logs # ll *mailman*
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 62662 Sep  7 11:34 3485-mailman-2.1.5-r4.log
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1105 Sep  7 11:34 3486-mailman-2.1.5-r4.log

Sep 12 12:16:19 [Mailman mail-wrapper] Group mismatch error.  Mailman
expected the mail_wrapper script to be executed as group mailman, but_the
system's mail server executed the mail script as_group mail.  Try tweaking
the mail server to run the_script as group mailman, or re-run configure,
_providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'._
Sep 12 12:16:19 [exim] 2005-09-12 12:16:19 1EEtms-00021M-60 **
|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post rbc [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=system_aliases
T=address_pipe: Child process of address_pipe transport returned 2 from
command: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman

daevid bin # locate mail_wrapper
daevid bin # locate as_group

daevid portage-logs # ll /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
-rwxr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 7768 Sep  7 11:34
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman

daevid bin # ll
total 372
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman mailman  4096 Sep  7 11:34 .
drwxrwsr-x  20 mailman mailman  4096 Apr  4 13:52 ..
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  7612 Sep  7 11:34 add_members
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  5406 Sep  7 11:34 arch
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman mailman  3748 Sep  7 11:34 auto
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  2559 Sep  7 11:34 b4b5-archfix
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  6130 Sep  7 11:34 change_pw
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  4264 Sep  7 11:34 check_db
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman 12223 Sep  7 11:34 check_perms
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  6632 Sep  7 11:34 check_perms_grsecurity.py
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  5492 Sep  7 11:34 cleanarch
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  6409 Sep  7 11:34 clone_member
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman 12326 Sep  7 11:34 config_list
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  1499 Sep  7 11:34 convert.py
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  3238 Sep  7 11:34 discard
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  4399 Sep  7 11:34 dumpdb
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  4951 Sep  7 11:34 find_member
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  2633 Sep  7 11:34 fix_url.py
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman mailman  2497 Apr  4 13:52 fix_url.pyc
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  3097 Sep  7 11:34 genaliases
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  2815 Sep  7 11:34 inject
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  2561 Sep  7 11:34 list_admins
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  3329 Sep  7 11:34 list_lists
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  8316 Sep  7 11:34 list_members
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  3165 Sep  7 11:34 list_owners
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman 21124 Sep  7 11:34 mailmanctl
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman mailman 18995 Sep  7 11:34 majordomo2mailman.pl
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman mailman  5951 Sep  7 11:34 mm-handler
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman mailman  7048 Sep  7 11:34 mm-handler.readme
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  2989 Sep  7 11:34 mmsitepass
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  5530 Sep  7 11:34 msgfmt.py
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  7127 Sep  7 11:34 newlist
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman mailman  2412 Sep  7 11:34 paths.py
-rw-r--r--   1 rootmailman   652 Sep  7 11:34 paths.pyc
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  4076 Sep  7 11:34 qmail-to-mailman.py
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  9196 Sep  7 11:34 qrunner
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  2957 Sep  7 11:34 rb-archfix
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  4699 Sep  7 11:34 remove_members
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  4256 Sep  7 11:34 rmlist
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  3463 Sep  7 11:34 rotatelogs.py
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  1346 Sep  7 11:34 show_qfiles
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  9664 Sep  7 11:34 sync_members
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman 11999 Sep  7 11:34 transcheck
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  2286 Sep  7 11:34 unshunt
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman 29648 Sep  7 11:34 update
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman   963 Sep  7 11:34 version
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman mailman  8382 Sep  7 11:34 withlist

daevid portage-logs # more 3486-mailman-2.1.5-r4.log
No updates are necessary.
 * Running `/usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms -f` *
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/confirm must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/edithtml must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/options must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/private must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/rmlist must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/roster must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe must be set-gid (fixing)
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman must be set-gid (fixing)
Problems found: 12
Re-run as mailman (or root) with -f flag to fix
 * 
 * Please read /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.5-r4/README.gentoo.gz for

Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

2005-09-12 Thread Daevid Vincent
 Yes, it has the flags, but what is the value of the ${MAILGID}
 parameter?  The error message you received says it's 'mailman' and
 should be 'mail'.
 
 Your original post says:
 
 daevid portage-logs # ll /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
 -rwxr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 7768 Sep  7 11:34 
 /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
 
 Thus, the wrapper was recompiled with the upgrade on Sep 7 and that's
 when things quit working so this is the likely cause.

# id mail
uid=8(mail) gid=12(mail) groups=12(mail),408(shadow)

# id mailman
uid=280(mailman) gid=280(mailman) groups=280(mailman),16(cron)

# ls -l /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
-rwxr-sr-x  1 mailman mailman 7768 Sep 12 15:47
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman

I tried to emerge mailman again today just incase that helped. Same results.

daevid portage-logs # ll *mailman*
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 62662 Sep  7 11:34 3485-mailman-2.1.5-r4.log
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1105 Sep  7 11:34 3486-mailman-2.1.5-r4.log
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 62663 Sep 12 15:47 3528-mailman-2.1.5-r4.log
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  1105 Sep 12 15:48 3529-mailman-2.1.5-r4.log

From the .log file:

checking for --with-permcheck... yes
checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for user name mailman... okay
checking for --with-groupname... mailman
checking for group name mailman... okay
checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... okay
checking for mail wrapper group; i.e. --with-mail-gid... mailman
checking for CGI wrapper group; i.e. --with-cgi-gid... apache

I am using Exim as my MTA BTW:

[ebuild   R   ] mail-mta/exim-4.50-r1  +X -dnsdb -exiscan -exiscan-acl +ipv6
-ldap -lmtp -mailwrapper -mbox +mysql -nis +pam +perl -postgres -sasl +ssl
-syslog +tcpd 1,401 kB 

But I don't believe that's changed since:

daevid portage-logs # ll *exim*
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 23369 Jul  7 00:57 3190-exim-4.50-r1.log
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   242 Jul  7 00:57 3191-exim-4.50-r1.log

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped working after upgrade

2005-09-12 Thread Daevid Vincent
Mark said, Yes, it has the flags, but what is the value of the ${MAILGID}
parameter?  The error message you received says it's 'mailman' and should be
'mail'. 

And looking at the log, he seems to be correct:
Sep 12 12:16:19 [Mailman mail-wrapper] Group mismatch error.  Mailman
expected the mail_wrapper script to be executed as group mailman, but_the
system's mail server executed the mail script as_group mail.  Try tweaking
the mail server to run the_script as group mailman, or re-run configure,
_providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=mail'._

But the .ebuild script sets it to gid 280, shouldn't it be 8? why is that?
Is that the problem? How can I fix that. Re-emerging doesn't let me change
those .ebuild values. MD5 errors and such.

APACHEGID=81
MAILGID=280

src_compile() {
econf \
--prefix=${INSTALLDIR} \
--with-mail-gid=${MAILGID} \
--with-cgi-gid=${APACHEGID} \
|| die configure failed

make || die make failed
}  

# ll /etc/exim/exim.conf
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 29452 Apr 29 13:54 /etc/exim/exim.conf

  # User and group for Mailman, should match your --with-mail-gid
  # switch to Mailman's configure script.
  # Value is normally mailman
  MM_UID=mailman
  MM_GID=mailman

So, these match what the comment says there, and what the .ebuild is doing.

I'm so confused. *sigh* 


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[Mailman-Users] REQ: show member names as well as email addresses

2005-07-30 Thread Daevid Vincent
I'm using version 2.1.5 (Gentoo) and when a member views the member list, it
only shows the email addresses. I request that it also (or have the option
for the moderator to allow this) to show the Names of the members too. It
shows the full name when you click on the hyperlinked obscured email, but
that is tedious if you're trying to find someone but don't know their email
address.

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[Mailman-Users] REQ: member list with nomail

2005-07-09 Thread Daevid Vincent
There should be a way under the Membership Management...  section in the
web UI to show all members who are set to 'no mail'. This way I can weed out
users that are basically useless on the list.

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[Mailman-Users] Auto discard non-members messages

2005-06-09 Thread Daevid Vincent
I'm starting to see a lot of spam sent to my two lists. Both are members
only. 

I'd like mailman to automatically discard any messages sent to the list from
non-members. However, I would like to accept (and send to me/admin) any
subscribe request messages (otherwise, how would I get new members ;-)

Can someone tell me how to do this?

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RE: [Mailman-Users] How do I have one list send to another list.

2005-04-28 Thread Daevid Vincent
Attached is one of the ones I get. In this case, I personally posted to the
party@ list, but they're all the same...

As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PARTY] FW: Last Supper Club, Contour, Trinity this weekend!
Reason:  Message has implicit destination

 -Original Message-
 From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:27 PM
 To: Daevid Vincent
 Cc: mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I have one list send to 
 another list.
 
 On Apr 28, 2005, at 04:13, Daevid Vincent wrote:
 
  My main thing now is that I have one list [EMAIL PROTECTED] that I 
  have an
  automated crontab that mails out a list of events from a 
 database once 
  a
  week.  There is another list [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is 
 subscribed to the
  party@ list where all members should be allowed to post 
 to the list.
 
 Is the message being held because the poster is not a member of the 
 list, or because of an implicit destination?
 
 If the latter and the cron job mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (and 
 you don't 
 have personalization enabled), you may want to include 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the Privacy options... Recipient filters... 
 acceptable_aliases for the rbc list.
 
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RE: [Mailman-Users] How do I have one list send to another list.

2005-04-28 Thread Daevid Vincent
Thanks for the help Jim, how do I add that?

Currently in http://myserver.com/mailman/admin/rbc/privacy/sender 

I have this in the List of non-member addresses whose postings should be
automatically accepted. (Details for accept_these_nonmembers):

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

And now I've added this just in case?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is this where you are talking about? Or is it in some config file?


 -Original Message-
 From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:18 PM
 To: Daevid Vincent
 Cc: mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I have one list send to 
 another list.
 
 On Apr 29, 2005, at 05:26, Daevid Vincent wrote:
 
  Attached is one of the ones I get. In this case, I 
 personally posted 
  to the
  party@ list, but they're all the same...
 
  As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
  following mailing list posting:
 
  List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [PARTY] FW: Last Supper Club, Contour, Trinity this 
  weekend!
  Reason:  Message has implicit destination
 
 Yes, as I suspected, this is being held because the RBC list 
 name does 
 not appear in the To: or cc: headers of the message (an implicit 
 destination).  I presume my suggestion of adding 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] to 
 the acceptable_aliases of the RBC list solved the problem.
 
 
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RE: [Mailman-Users] How do I default to HTML, not plain text emails?

2005-04-28 Thread Daevid Vincent
Aahh.. Okay. I guess I misunderstood what that checkbox was for. Seems silly
that one would have a choice for the digests and not for regular emails. I
thought the old mailman allowed a user to choose if they got the regular
emails as plain or html. Hmm. 

 -Original Message-
 From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:22 PM
 To: Daevid Vincent
 Cc: Mailman Users List
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I default to HTML, not 
 plain text emails?
 
 On Apr 28, 2005, at 04:14, Daevid Vincent wrote:
 
  How do I make it so that new members on the lists get HTML email. It
  defaults to plain and after a bulk insert, I have to 
 manually go check 
  that
  checkbox. Grr.
 
 Are you referring to the 'plain' checkbox on the Membership 
 Management... Membership List... page?  That controls the 
 format of the 
 list digests (allowing you to select either plain text or MIME 
 formatted digests).  You can set the default on the Digest options... 
 page.  It does not refer to HTML formatted email.
 
 If you want users to receive HTML formatted messages, you 
 will want to 
 mail HTML messages (or multipart-alternative) messages to the 
 list, and 
 make sure you have configured Content filtering... not to remove them 
 or convert text/html parts into plain text.  (You may also 
 want to make 
 sure the msg_footer is an empty string.)
 
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[Mailman-Users] How do I default to HTML, not plain text emails?

2005-04-27 Thread Daevid Vincent
How do I make it so that new members on the lists get HTML email. It
defaults to plain and after a bulk insert, I have to manually go check that
checkbox. Grr.

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[Mailman-Users] How do I defalut membership list to one long one instead of broken into alphabet?

2005-04-27 Thread Daevid Vincent
And also, how do I make it so the membership list is NOT broken up into
letter categories. I just want ONE long list of members.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] How do I defalut membership list to one longoneinstead of broken into alphabet?

2005-04-27 Thread Daevid Vincent
Thanks for the repy Christopher. 

Yes, I do have root (it's my own gentoo server). Please spell this out for
me as to what commands to run and what files to edit.

d

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 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I defalut membership list 
 to one longoneinstead of broken into alphabet?
 
 Daevid,
 
 If you have command line access, you can use the config_list 
 utility to fetch the configuration for 
 the list in question and add a line with 
 admin_member_chunksize= and make it equal to however many 
 addresses you want to display on your web page.
 
 Let me know if you need more specifics.
 
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 broken up into
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RE: [Mailman-Users] How do I defalut membership list to one longoneinstead of broken into alphabet?

2005-04-27 Thread Daevid Vincent
Christopher, thank you. That was perfect instructions, I even got ascared
when I saw the Non-standard property restored: admin_member_chunksize
message, and then I read the next line of your email which adressed that!
Hahah! 

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 2:49 PM
 To: Daevid Vincent
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I defalut membership list 
 to one longoneinstead of broken into alphabet?
 
 cd to your lists/bin directory
 
 
 Issue the command config_list -o /path/to/listname.txt listname
 
 where listname.txt is just a file name that you give the 
 incoming configuration file to reference 
 later and listname is the name of your specific list.
 
 open listname.txt with a text editor. At the bottom of the 
 file, add the following:
 
 admin_member_chunksize = 75
 
 The number '75' represents how many addresses will be 
 viewable when you open your membership list in 
 the admin. You can make it anything you want.
 
 Save your file.
 
 Issue the command config_list -i /path/to/listname.txt listname
 
 You will probably see the message: Non-standard property 
 restored: admin_member_chunksize. That is 
 normal.
 
 Your list configuration is now updated. If not, restart Mailman.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Daevid Vincent wrote:
  Thanks for the repy Christopher. 
  
  Yes, I do have root (it's my own gentoo server). Please 
 spell this out for
  me as to what commands to run and what files to edit.
  
  d
  
  
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 Daevid,
 
 If you have command line access, you can use the config_list 
 utility to fetch the configuration for 
 the list in question and add a line with 
 admin_member_chunksize= and make it equal to however many 
 addresses you want to display on your web page.
 
 Let me know if you need more specifics.
 
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[Mailman-Users] Exim and Mailman, address_pipe and never_users

2005-04-07 Thread Daevid Vincent
I didn't see this come through the list since yesterday, 
so I figured I'd send it again...
---

I'm running Gentoo with Exim 4.43-r2 and Mailman 2.1.5-r4.

When I send a message to my list rbc, it never gets sent. 

The logs have some entries that look like this:

Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 no host name found for IP
address 10.10.10.69
Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 1DJ5B7-0006dd-Cc =
[EMAIL PROTECTED] H=(locutus) [10.10.10.69] P=esmtpsa
X=TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128 A=login:dae51d S=569
Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 1DJ5B7-0006dd-Cc User 0 set
for address_pipe transport is on the never_users list
- Last output repeated twice -
Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 1DJ5B7-0006dd-Cc ==
|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post rbc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
R=system_aliases T=address_pipe defer (-29): User 0 set for address_pipe
transport is on the never_users list

I've googled for address_pipe and never_users and it seems to be Exim
related, but I really don't know what to change to fix this. I used to
run mailman 2.0 with sendmail on an old RH8 box. Exim is all new to me
too. Sorry if this is off topic.

I tried to follow the instructions here, but still no joy.
http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#exconf

Something isn't right:

daevid bin # exim -bt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post rbc
  transport = address_pipe

When it should say:
router = mailman_router, transport = mailman_transport



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RE: [Mailman-Users] How do I get my 2.0 members into a new 2.1 Mailmaninstall

2005-04-06 Thread Daevid Vincent
HA!!! Figures that I'd get a reply after I did this the hard way...

I set up a VMWare with gentoo. Tracked down an ancient mailman-2.0.13.tgz
file on the web and installed it! Then used the /bin/list_members to get
extract them and pasted them into the new 2.1 list... UGH! Ironic.

Thanks for the reply Mark. I'll keep this in mind if I still can't get the
list working... I have a remaining issue that I'll post in a new thread.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:04 PM
 To: Daevid Vincent; mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I get my 2.0 members into 
 a new 2.1 Mailmaninstall
 
 Daevid Vincent wrote:
 
 I recently upgraded from a RedHat 8 box to Gentoo. In doing 
 so I upgraded
 Mailman. I have the old Mailman directories mounted and 
 access to the files,
 but I do NOT have a running 2.0 version. I have Mailman 2.1
 
 I've followed two different upgrade posts to go from 
 Mailman 2.0 to 2.1
 but both ways have left my lists empty.
 
 Here's the most recent one which is essentially the same 
 thing as the other
 method I tried.
 
 http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/print.php?id=18
 
 cd $MM20
 mv -i lists/foo-list $MM21/lists
 mv -i archives/private/foo-list $MM21/archives/private
 mv -i archives/private/foo-list.mbox $MM21/archives/private
 rm archives/public/foo-list
 rm archives/public/foo-list.mbox
 cd $MM21
 
 daevid mailman # ./bin/withlist -l -r fix_url rbc
 Importing fix_url...
 Running fix_url.fix_url()...
 Loading list rbc (locked)
 Saving list
 Finalizing
 
 But when I type ./list_members rbc nothing shows up. :(
 
 How do I get my members into the NEW 2.1 lists??!
 
 I am guessing from the 
 
 rm archives/public/foo-list
 rm archives/public/foo-list.mbox
 
 above that you created the foo-list on 2.1 first. This is the problem.
 Creating foo-list creates $MM21/lists/foo-list/config.pck. Then the
 mv moves the old 2.0 lists/foo-list/config.db file. Then Mailman
 sees the new config.pck and never tries to import config.db.
 
 The solution is to remove the config.pck and config.pck.last leaving
 only the config.db and config.db.last. Then run fix_url and you should
 be OK as long as the Marshal format in config.db is compatible with
 the Python on the Gentoo box.
 
 --
 Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
 San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
 
 

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[Mailman-Users] Exim and Mailman, address_pipe and never_users

2005-04-06 Thread Daevid Vincent
I'm running Gentoo with Exim 4.43-r2 and Mailman 2.1.5-r4.

When I send a message to my list rbc, it never gets sent. 

The logs have some entries that look like this:

Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 no host name found for IP address
10.10.10.69
Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 1DJ5B7-0006dd-Cc =
[EMAIL PROTECTED] H=(locutus) [10.10.10.69] P=esmtpsa X=TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128
A=login:dae51d S=569
Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 1DJ5B7-0006dd-Cc User 0 set for
address_pipe transport is on the never_users list
- Last output repeated twice -
Apr  6 00:42:21 [exim] 2005-04-06 00:42:21 1DJ5B7-0006dd-Cc ==
|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post rbc [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=system_aliases
T=address_pipe defer (-29): User 0 set for address_pipe transport is on the
never_users list

I've googled for address_pipe and never_users and it seems to be Exim
related, but I really don't know what to change to fix this. I used to run
mailman 2.0 with sendmail on an old RH8 box. Exim is all new to me too.
Sorry if this is off topic.

I tried to follow the instructions here, but still no joy.
http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html#exconf

Something isn't right:

daevid bin # exim -bt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post rbc
  transport = address_pipe

When it should say:
router = mailman_router, transport = mailman_transport




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[Mailman-Users] How do I get my 2.0 members into a new 2.1 Mailman install

2005-04-05 Thread Daevid Vincent
I recently upgraded from a RedHat 8 box to Gentoo. In doing so I upgraded
Mailman. I have the old Mailman directories mounted and access to the files,
but I do NOT have a running 2.0 version. I have Mailman 2.1

I've followed two different upgrade posts to go from Mailman 2.0 to 2.1
but both ways have left my lists empty.

Here's the most recent one which is essentially the same thing as the other
method I tried.

http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/print.php?id=18

cd $MM20
mv -i lists/foo-list $MM21/lists
mv -i archives/private/foo-list $MM21/archives/private
mv -i archives/private/foo-list.mbox $MM21/archives/private
rm archives/public/foo-list
rm archives/public/foo-list.mbox
cd $MM21

daevid mailman # ./bin/withlist -l -r fix_url rbc
Importing fix_url...
Running fix_url.fix_url()...
Loading list rbc (locked)
Saving list
Finalizing

But when I type ./list_members rbc nothing shows up. :(

How do I get my members into the NEW 2.1 lists??!


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[Mailman-Users] How do I set up virtual host/domain lists on sameserver?

2003-01-16 Thread Daevid Vincent
I'm sure this has been asked a thousand times, and I have scanned the
archives a bit, but there is so many fragments and pieces. I'm amazed
that the FAQ or the mailman website don't give specific detailed
instructions how to accomplish this task. Why is that?!! Grr.

Can someone please point me at a page or thread or something that tells
me step by step how to set up various mail lists with different domains
on the same server. I am currently running RedHat 8.0 with
mailman-2.0.13-3 rpm installed. I have some lists that work just fine
already, and I'd like to switch some of them over if possible.

For example, I have a list [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I'd like to change it
to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for example). How do I do this? My sendmail and
apache work fine for foo.com as virtual hosts, so what is the mailman
component?

I am a programmer, but I do not know Python per se, FWTW.

Thank you in advance,

Daevid.


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