Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
Brad Knowles wrote: On 8/14/08, David Gibbs wrote: Obviously ... I just mentioned it to show AOL's general perspective towards people who participate in the feedback loop program. Their attitude towards us is better than their attitude towards the rest of the effluent. At least we're floating on top. End original message. - Yes, but being on a shaky, leaky canoe ready to sink or capsize on top of a cesspool is still not a very nice place to be. ;-) Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about mailing lists
Danny Shain wrote: Hi everyone, I want to start off by saying I think it's great that this community exists, with people willing to help people. I have a question that is dealt with on the FAQ, but before you roll your eyes I'm still posting here because the I didn't find the FAQ entry helpful. Maybe you're still rolling your eyes, but hear me out. FAQ Entry 1.7. I've set up Mailman, created a list, and added myself to the list, but I don't get any messages! That's my problem. Maybe it's because I'm using mailman through a third party (Lunarpages webhosting), but I don't see anything about cronjobs or aliases, etc. But I send emails to the mailing list, the emails show up in the mailing list archives, and yet nobody on the list receives messages. If anybody has an idea of what I can try next I would greatly appreciate it! Otherwise I'll probably end up using yahoo or something. End original message. - You are using a gmail address to post here. Did you subscribe this gmail address to the list? If so, that is the problem as gmail will not send list posts back to you that are already present in your outgoing mailbox. This is a known problem and Google appears to not give a damn about fixing it. Please see: http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/I+use+Gmail-Googlemail%2C+but+I+can%27t+tell+if+any+of+my+messages+have+been+posted+to+the+list Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail performance
Knabe, Troy wrote: So my sendmail start script included /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -q5m So I made it /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \ -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=1313,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1 End original message. - Put the original line back in, then just add the second one. You need them both so it listens on both port 25 and the alternate port. That will do what you want and maintain the original sendmail functionality. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman posting question
Bill Honneus (honneus) wrote: Hi, I have a Mailman setup integrated with Sendmail on the same server. When my list sends out posting updates via the bounces address, i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED], one of the recipients is an internal user defined on the same local server. So my question is, when the mylist-bounces sends out the updates, do the messages destined for local addresses go directly to the local address without hitting the outside or does mailman send all the messages out to the Internet, and then those messages get routed back to the local machine? This is assuming that no special routing is set up with Sendmail MTA. End original message. - MTAs are designed to deliver mail to the correct host based on the MX record for a given domain. So if the MX record for your own domain points to the machine with the MTA Mailman is using, it will deliver it locally on the same server. There is no reason for it to ever be placed on the wire because it has nowhere else to go. In order for it to work as you suggest, another SMTP server would have to serve as an open relay to send it back and that is not such a good idea. It's bad because it wastes bandwidth and because it leaves a big hole open for abuse. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman posting question
Mark Sapiro wrote: Dragon wrote: MTAs are designed to deliver mail to the correct host based on the MX record for a given domain. Except in cases where the recipient domain is one of the MTA's 'local domains'. In that case, the mail is delivered locally without ever consulting DNS. End original message. - Which was sort of implied by the rest of my post, I didn't state it explicitly. But this is true of any network traffic at the TCP/IP and even at the MAC layer. If it is local, it doesn't go out on the wire even though you may be sending it to the physical address of a configured interface. The network stack is smart enough to know that it should just pass the traffic in memory instead of sending it on an actual interface, it essentially, and transparently, substitutes localhost for the address because it knows how to get there directly. Basically, the principle of shortest path is used. How exactly this gets done in an individual MTA is based on how it is designed and configured. Since I don't know the exact details of any of them, I will leave any discussion of how they route local traffic to those who do know. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] My issue with using web server on the server to get to mailman
Mike Brown wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:27:27PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Mike Brown writes: I then changed the hosts file to look like: 192.168.1.1 mrvideo vidiot.com www.vidiot.com loghost Are you sure 192.168.1.1 isn't the DSL box? 192.168.1.1 is grabbed for themselves by many DSL boxes. But whatever. Yes. The first DSL box I got was one of those passive types, where the computer is set to the actual IP. The Linux server used two ports at that time and the internal LAN had the server at 192.168.1.1. The Linux server did the firewalling and NAT processing. When the upgraded DSL connection was done, it used new equipment and a new modem. So I assigned 192.168.1.254 to the DSL NAT box and that is used as the gateway address by all of the LAN computers. Anyway, changing that to 127.0.0.1 should do what you want; the DSL box can't get its hands on that since it never leaves the local host at all. Good idea, didn't think of doing it there. So now the hosts file looks like: 127.0.0.1 localhost www.vdiot.com vidiot.com Doing a ping got the right results: mrvideo.ZROOT 64 ping -s vidiot.com PING vidiot.com: 56 data bytes 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=0. time=0.0620 ms That is a good sign. All went to pieces after that. Putting vidiot.com as the URL got the damn DSL modem's web page again. That is just not right. As you say, that should be impossible. Back to the drawing board to figure out what is going on with those packets. BTW, the packets are really going to the DSL modem, because when I disconnect the LAN cable to the bax, the browser freezes until I reconnect it, and the pages gets loaded. End original message. - This is seriously off-topic for this list but here goes anyway... Do you have a host.conf file on your system? (You should in the /etc directory) If so, does it have something like this in it? order bind hosts If so, reverse the order of lookup to: order hosts bind That will ensure that the IP address resolution is driven by what is in the hosts file before it goes out to any DNS server. More info: http://tldp.org/LDP/nag/node82.html Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] true virtual hosting
Dony Tata wrote: how to make mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the same machine from web, i use postfix and mailman 2.1.5 patch true virtual hosting. Patch true virtual hosting from https://lethe.koumbit.net/svn/koumbit/trunk/patches/mailman-true-virtual-2.1.5.patch;. i got the error list already exits End original message. - In short, right now under the current default mailman code base, you can't. The list names MUST be unique. Now having said that, there are ways to make it happen but they are not simple and may require code modifications. cPanel has modified their distribution of mailman to munge the domain with the list name behind the scenes to support this. I believe there is another way to do so by running multiple instances of mailman in separate directories. You would have to set up your aliases or mail routing to deliver to the appropriate instance for each domain. However, I don't know exactly how to do that. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] list archives
Michael Welch wrote: Hi Friends. I have noticed that this list's archives include 3 months which have not happened yet. How has this occurred, and what will happen when we reach that date and new posts crash into the improperly dated archives? More importantly, how does one search the mailman archives looking for all posts that contain particular text? I understand that many folks use mailarchive.com, but that seems a bit out of our control. Will it be there forever? End original message. - That happens because the date is extracted from the Date: header of the message. The header is set by the MUA sending the message, if somebody has their computer clock set incorrectly, this will happen. There really isn't a lot you can do about it except maybe point out to the people with incorrect clocks to reset them. Changing this header at any point after it is generated is not recommended. The archive will work fine as is, it will simply show the incorrectly dated messages in the wrong directory (they are filed by month and year by default). The links for threads will work fine if proper headers existed in the original e-mail to determine threading order. Threading in the archive is controlled by References: and In-Reply-To: headers, not by the Date: header or even the subject line. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] www interface
Pavel Kosina wrote: I was really looking for this theme but no success. Does there exists some extension/add-on for mailman that would enabled the www discussion interface? So that its possible to read/write contributions both with emails and www interface? My admin keeps telling me that nothing is like that and I cant believe him. End original message. - No such thing exists. Mailman is an e-mail list manager, not a web-mail solution like Yahoo or Google groups. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending email to list users / Archives giving 403
Tom Ray [Lists] sent the message below at 06:28 7/16/2008: Mark Sapiro wrote: Tom Ray [Lists] wrote: Mark Sapiro wrote: Do posts get archived? No. Not one of the test emails I've sent to the test list are archived. So it's dieing some where between being received and sent to the in queue. Actually, the exim log entry you posted says the mail was delivered via the mailman-transport which says it was piped to /mail/listdomain.net/mailman/mail/mailman post test which, assuming that wrapper and the 'post' script are not totally broken to the point that they terminate normally without doing anything, says that the mail made it to qfiles/in. See http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9. Check the various things in the above FAQ article. I managed to get this working. It turned out to be what I thought it was, Permissions issues. I had to go in and change the permissions back bin/check_perms -f didn't do it. End original message. - check_perms should work if you run it as root and you do several passes until it reports no errors. If it didn't work, could you let us know what files or directories it failed to fix? That way one of the developers could have a look at what went wrong and see if it is something that could be fixed. If you did not run it as root, the user you did run as may not have permission to change the ownership and file permissions to what they need to be. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] www interface
Michael Welch wrote: Dragon wrote at 08:06 AM 7/16/2008: Does there exists some extension/add-on for mailman that would enabled the www discussion interface? So that its possible to read/write contributions both with emails and www interface? My admin keeps telling me that nothing is like that and I cant believe him. No such thing exists. Mailman is an e-mail list manager, not a web-mail solution like Yahoo or Google groups. Hi Dragon. Other mail list solutions have the ability to post and reply to messages online. The prime example may be the Topica discussion lists. They do not offer web mail, but they do offer online participation. I am well aware of that, I just used Yahoo and Google as two well-known examples. The point I am making is that no such functionality exists in the current product, it is a mailing list manager program, and will be until somebody dedicates the time and work to implement other features. I think this would be a great feature to add, so folks could check and post online, without using their ISP's web mail. I run several Topica lists, and we have many list members that choose No Mail and regularly go to the archives to view others' posts, respond, or post. For whatever reason, they prefer to not receive emails from the list. Well, the nature of a project such as this is it is developed by volunteers in their spare time and the developers work on the pieces of the puzzle they are interested in supporting. This would take a major piece of code to add such a feature and a lot more to integrate it into the rest of the project. Unless somebody steps up to do it, it's going to remain something that would be nice to have. Personally, I have neither the interest nor the time to do it. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] New List
Mélanie Bureau wrote: Hi , We would like to create a new list serve. How can we do this? Thank you! End original message. - You will need to install mailman. Start here: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/index.html You can get the latest version here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103 If you have any questions or concerns, please check the FAQ to see if your question might be answered there before posting to the list. Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Runaway python process
Andy Cravens wrote: I'm running Mailman 2.1.9 on Solaris 10. Sometime this weekend we had a mail loop which pounded our list server. The mail loop has been fixed but there is a python process that is consuming an entire cpu. Further inspection of this process reveals: qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s I'm assuming that ArchRunner is a process that archives incoming messages and that mailman is in the process of archiving all those thousands of messages that were received due to the mail loop. I've been searching the mailman site and also googling to find a way to discard all those bogus messages. I'm getting pressure to fix this fast because people cannot log in to the web interface because the server is pegged due to this process. So, 1) I'd like to know if I'm going down the right path assuming mailman is busy archiving all those messages and 2) How can I get it to stop? I'm going to log into the web interface even though it will forever to get the page to come up and I will try disabling archiving fir the affected list. Not sure if that will stop the archiving that is already happening or not but I'm going to give it a try. End original message. - I'd suggest killing the archive runner process. And then disabling archiving in the web interface. Then you can go in and remove the offending files from qfiles/archive (though exactly what needs to be done there I am not certain). You probably also want to remove the offending messages from the mbox files for the lists and then rebuild the archives without them, though there are issues with possibly breaking links to messages in the archives. Once you have things cleaned up, you can restart mailman and re-enable archiving. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Specific Users Members Mail Not Going Out
McNutt Jr, William R wrote: I have an issue I am having difficulty tracking down. I have two users, one of whom is my boss, whose messages are not showing up on the list. Instead, I get an uncaught bounce notification with the message attached in my mailman_admin box. The error text reads: The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s). Both are members of the list in question, the memberships are not disabled. Can anyone tell me where I should be looking? End original message. - I have found that some users for reasons unknown (maybe a brain-damaged MUA?) send to the bounce address and not the list address. Make sure they are posting to the list address and not mistakenly trying to post using the bounce address. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Selective Mass Subscription
Cyndi Norwitz wrote: I really really hate having my ability to effectively run lists (or websites or chats) curtailed because of the huge numbers of greedy jerks out there. I realize it can't be ignored but I am hoping there could be some middle ground. End original message. - I think it really comes down to choices, which break down about like this: If you were running your own server and installed your own copy of mailman, you would be able to run it any way you wish. But then you have to maintain it. Or you could find another service provider that allows it, but they may have other issues for you to deal with (like being blacklisted). Or you can just live with the restrictions your ISP has imposed on their shared hosting system. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Auto Install
Khalil Abbas wrote: Hi, I bought a dedicated server to host my list with .. but for my surprise, mailman did not exist in its control panel which is webmin .. in cpanel u can just click a button and it will do everything but not in webmin .. I tried to follow the installation instructions from the site (list.org) but it's like reading chineese!! I couldn't understand a thing .. is there like a script to automatically install mailman like in forums ? u just run a single command and it automatically extracts the mailman files (which I didn't know how to do that in the first place) and asks you a few questions to configure mailman??? please help .. End original message. - Installing mailman from source assumes that you have some understanding of how to do a fair number of things from the command line interface. Having said that, I think the documentation is not too complicated and if you take your time you should be able to follow it as long as the other pieces you need are installed (like Apache web server) and you have root access to do certain things to configure the system. Some OS distributions have pre-packaged versions of mailman that can be installed with a package manager like yum but the problem I see with these is that they are often reorganized to place components of the system in different places that the OS vendor thinks are appropriate. This can make troubleshooting problems a bit more difficult. In my opinion, I'd say that in the long run you will be better off learning how to administer the system from the command line so you don't have to rely on control panels. Knowing this makes it far easier to get the system working the way you want and lets you more effectively fix problems. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam
jeff zemla sent the message below at 08:05 6/26/2008: Hi all, I tried searching the archives for a solution to my problem but couldn't find anything. My apologies if this has been answered 100 times before. I bought a new domain through hostgator.com and they have Mailman installed so I can set up a mailing list. I've used mailman before through my University and never had a problem with requests being filtered as spam. Basically, when I try to add an e-mail account to the mailing list, it goes into my Gmail spam box. I don't know why this would happen, as my domain has never been used for anything before, so no one could have possibly reported it as spam. The header is as follows: from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM subject: Welcome to the Artists mailing list mailing list: artists_domain.com. mailed-by: domain.com Where domain.com is my domain, artists is the name of the list, and [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the person I add to the list. I have tried altering the content of the message, but nothing seems to work, which leads me to believe it is being flagged as spam based on where it originates from. But seeing as the website has no content on it (just a line of text that says Things will be here shortly) i dont know why gmail would have a preconceived notion that it's a spamming site. Any ideas? End original message. - It is quite possible that the ISP you are using has hosted domains that were a problem and gmail is filtering on the fact that your domain is hosted in their IP address block. It is also quite possible that they are being quite draconian about the content of the message. Either way, the only way you will know for certain what is happening is if you contact their technical support (if you can actually get an answer out of them, they may well ignore your request too). Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] FAQ links should be changed
Now that the FAQ has migrated to the Wiki, perhaps the links in the footers of the list messages should be changed to reflect that? Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Web UI request
Mark Sapiro mentioned in another post that the web UI is in need of an update/overhaul. I'd like to make one feature request for that which came to light with a bunch of non-technical users on one of my lists. It is not obvious from the list information page how one would obtain a password reminder. You have to click the Unsubscribe or edit options button to get to the page with the password reminder button. This really needs to be FAR more obvious. It really should be an item on the very first page a user sees. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Fresh Install Fails To Start
Carlos Williams wrote: Now when I try and start Mailman, I get the following: [EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# /etc/init.d/mailman start Starting mailman: Site list is missing: mailman [FAILED] End original message. - The cause is obvious. You have no list named mailman. You MUST have this list. Without it, mailman does not function. The mailman installation instructions tell you to do this before trying to start mailman. See: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node40.html Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Diff Two Mailman Paths?
Carlos Williams sent the message below at 11:53 6/13/2008: I am moving mailman from one server to another server (not changing the domain) and noticed the instructions here: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2007-January/055208.html The instructions show to make sure you copy both the contents of /var/lib/mailman/lists to the new server and also /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/. My question is when looking at /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/ I notice that there are several old and deleted or no longer functioning lists in this directory. Is there nothing that cleans up this path when you create a test list and then remove it using the script provided in /usr/lib/mailman/bin? I just don't like a lot of clutter and want this as clean as possible. Thanks for any info and help! End original message. - Nope, nothing will automatically remove the archives. Not everyone wants the archives to go away even when a list does. The safest thing to do is just leave it alone and let the system administrator deal with it as desired. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] auto deleting list subscriber
enrico pulimeno sent the message below at 00:46 6/12/2008: hello, recently mailman unsubscribe automatically some member of the list. how do I stop these actions? I have already checked the option notifies member cancellation from the list to administrator, but arrive me only the unsubscribe messages, without first not one notification. End original message. - As far as I know, the only reason mailman will unsubscribe somebody automatically is if the e-mail address has exceeded the bounce threshold. If an address has had a significant number of failures (one per day until bounce threshold is met), the address will be removed from the list. This is something you probably do not want to disable, it will get you flagged as a spammer if you continue to send to addresses that are no longer valid at a number of domains (especially from the big guys like AOL, Yahoo, gmail, etc.) Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] re-install postfix?
Dov Oxenberg sent the message below at 04:32 5/30/2008: Good morning, Until Wednesday night my Server was running like a champ then suddenly, mysteriously, Postfix broke for no apparent reason. It is failing to start reporting no local interface found for... and citing some IP address which is invalid for my system. I have not been able to get anywhere since Wednesday night and am now considering uninstalling Postfix and then reinstalling. I realize this is a Postfix issue, but I wanted to ask what are the consequences of uninstalling Postfix, then reinstalling as it relates to Mailman - do I need to do anything with my existing Mailman installation, will I need to reinstall, etc. End original message. - I can't help with the postfix issues but I would suggest that on the mailman side of things that you shut down mailman until you get things fixed and then restart it afterward. I doubt you will have to do anything to it, but it can't hurt to be cautious. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Memebership list...
Dov Oxenberg wrote: Hi, In the Web administration interface, how do I adjust the number of subscribers displayed in the table? Previously I was able to view all the members but now that the membership number has increased to over 30 subscribers the table is only displaying the first three members and I have to search for any other members individually. End original message. - In version 2.1.10 (NOT anything earlier) you can adjust the number of users displayed per page by setting admin_member_chunksize on the General Options page. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] slightly OT: on not becoming a spam source
David Newman wrote: On 5/29/08 11:40 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: David Newman wrote: OK, I've enabled VERP but I'm no closer to isolating who's complaining in AOL-land. Possibly this is some VERP config error on my part. I added the following to mm_cfg.py and rebooted: VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = Yes VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = Yes VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 The next AOL feedback report contained a unique Message-ID, as always. Did you go back to the list configuration and turn on personalization? Er, no, I haven't. Where do I set that in the Web UI? End original message. - Should be in the list general options. I am not sure, but you may have to do a Mailman restart to enable it. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Major problems with privacy and mailman lists and harvesters
Michael Welch wrote: Steve Murphy wrote at 10:03 AM 5/23/2008: I've noticed in the mailman-users archives, that if I view info by thread (using the mailman archives as an example,) which site is 2.1.10 based, that all email addresses are present, but with a simple obfuscation. (the @ has been changed to at .) I can't help but to think that this simple obfuscation is a joke. Any harvester written in the past number of years would be smart enough to capture such accurately. I think the Topica listserver had a great way to deal with email addresses in archives. You could see a semblance of the email address, but no way could you deduce the real address. If you are logged into the site, each is still obscured, but is a live link that opens up an email-like dialog box -- with the real address still obscured. But it does send an email to the real address for the obscured address. Pretty good way of dealing with the problem, but I have no idea if something like this could be coded into Mailman archives. End original message. - Doing so is definitely possible, but it would require that the archive pages be served via a CGI program and that you have some sort of database of those e-mail addresses that said CGI process would access. If I am not mistaken, I believe that there is currently a wrapper script that handles access control to private archives but which gets bypassed if the archive is public. The current architecture under pipermail is that the actual archive pages themselves are just static HTML files and the wrapper script only has the function of setting and checking an access token in a cookie to access them if the archive is private. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] More than just email?
Dr. Scott S. Jones wrote: I manage several lists with my 2.1.9 installation of MailMan. I would LIKE to have MailMan continue in it's intended function, but also want to know if anyone here integrates MM with other databases to keep track of more than just Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] More clearly, I guess I am hoping to integrate MM with other applications to work as a contact manager, to track calls, letters, emails, for my growing contact list. Suggestions? End original message. - Honestly, you would probably be a lot better off using a contact management program written for the purpose than trying to make Mailman fit the role. Mailman is a mailing list manager and it is very good for the purpose it was written for. It would be a major programming task to try to get it to do what you want. In my opinion, that time and effort would be better spent getting and using a tool specific to your needs. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with Sendmail
Bill Honneus (honneus) wrote: Hi, I'm a little confused about something regarding setting up Mailman to run using Sendmail. The following are instructions for how to create the mailman user. My first question is, why is the user created with no shell and no home? The documentation does not explain the reason why this is needed. % groupadd mailman % useradd -c''GNU Mailman'' -s /no/shell -d /no/home -g mailman mailman This is a standard security tactic for user accounts that are there for the sole purpose of running daemon processes. It helps prevent an attacker from usurping control under that user name. I would seriously suggest following the convention as it is an added layer of protection against malicious access. Second, in Ed Greenbergs workaround for integrating with Sendmail without mm-handler (I am doing this b/c I need to run with both maillists and individual users), the following instructions are given. 5. As mailman, run /home/mailman/bin/genaliases Check for a file /home/mailman/data/aliases and also TWO files /etc/mailman.aliases and /etc/mailman.aliases.db 6. Test creating a list using /home/mailman/bin/newlist Check for the appearance of aliases for that list in /etc/mailman.aliases Add some users and test the list First, I don't see how to login or sudo as mailman if the user is set up without a shell. Second, both steps refer to a home directory that does not exist if the user is set up with no home. In other words, the instructions seem to contradict the basic instruction for how to set up the mailman user. Please help me better understand what is needed here. Well, you are correct, you can't sudo if there is no shell for the user you want to impersonate. But that is irrelevant here as there is no need to do so (see next paragraph). Based on what you quote above, it seems to me that he has installed his mailman distribution in the /home/mailman directory. The default installation directory for a source install is /usr/local/mailman, some packaged versions are put in other places by the distribution authors. Now you really do not need to sudo as the mailman user. All you need to do is be a member of the mailman group. You should add yourself to the mailman group you would have created during setup and then you will be able to execute the scripts. This is predicated on all of the scripts having proper permissions so you would have had to run the bin/check_perms script with the -f option until you received no errors (run it as root when you do that). Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating mailman with Sendmail
Brad Knowles wrote: Neither sudo nor a plain su need to have a shell for the user. All you're changing is your effective UID (EUID), but the rest of your environment comes from your real UID that you used to log in with. End original message. - Hmm... maybe on some flavors of *nix, but on my server, if there is no shell set for a user, you can't sudo or su to that user ID. At least not while I am logged in under my account. I just tried it to confirm, I also tried it while running as root with the same result This account is currently not available. I'm running an RHEL 5 box. As I stated in my earlier reply, I do have my account set up as part of the mailman group. I can run mailman scripts with no problem without having to sudo to anything else. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Permissions issue w/ Apache
Bill Honneus (honneus) wrote: Hi, I just completed the mailman setup instructions and was able to create a mail list with the command line option and receive an email notification. However, the Apache web browsing part doesn't seem to work as I get a permissions error page when I attempt to browse to http://my-mailman-IP-addr/mailman/create. I have my httpd.conf set up to point the alias to the mailman script folder as such: ScritpAlias/mailman//usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ The permissions on each script are shown below: -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 21127 Apr 29 17:43 admin -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 21159 Apr 29 17:43 admindb -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 21159 Apr 29 17:43 confirm -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 21159 Apr 29 17:43 create -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 21159 Apr 29 17:43 edithtml -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 21159 Apr 29 17:43 listinfo -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 21159 Apr 29 17:43 options -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 21159 Apr 29 17:43 private -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 21159 Apr 29 17:43 rmlist -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 21159 Apr 29 17:43 roster -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 21159 Apr 29 17:43 subscribe Can somebody please recommend the next step(s) to troubleshoot this issue? Thanks in advance! End original message. - It is quite possible your system is running SElinux. See: http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/turn-off-selinux.html If it is running, turn it off as described on that page and try again. If that works, you will have to decide if you want to just keep it off or go to the trouble of configuring SElinux. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] installing mailman and sendmail
Shams Fantar wrote: Hi, I'm installing mailman, I created the first mailing list[1], it works fine. So, it's possible to subcribe to the list, that works, but it isn't possible to send mails to the mailing list. It's a probleme with sendmail, I'm reading the documentation of mailman[2], but the output of the command grep smrsh /etc/mail/sendmail.cf is empty (sendmail is installed). Do you have any ideas? And when I send a mail to the list, I see nothing in log... In conclusion, mailman nearly works, there is just a problem with sendmail. [1] : http://lists.sce.snurf.info/listinfo/sce-project [2] : http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node32.html End original message. - Did you add the list aliases for the list to the /etc/aliases file and then run newaliases? When you created the list, a set of aliases for it should have been provided as output from the newlist script or via the web interface. Those have to be set up properly so sendmail knows what to do with the addresses associated to the list. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] installing mailman and sendmail
Shams Fantar sent the message below at 09:55 4/30/2008: Dragon wrote: Did you add the list aliases for the list to the /etc/aliases file and then run newaliases? Yes, I did. But when I run newaliases : WARNING: local host name (;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached) is not qualified; see cf/README: WHO AM I? /etc/mail/aliases: 33 aliases, longest 56 bytes, 1450 bytes total OK, I don't know this for certain, but that seems to me that sendmail is either not configured correctly or not running at all. Unfortunately, I am no expert on sendmail and I can't give any specific help on setting it up without digging into the documentation. But you can try a few things here to see what is going on. Are you able to send and receive mail from this box at all? What do you get after running the following (you will probably need to be root): ps aux | grep sendmail It should produce something like this (and possibly more entries): root 31013 0.0 0.2 9284 1196 ?Ss Mar29 2:44 sendmail: accepting connections You mentioned earlier you could not find your sendmail.cf file, try: find / -name *.cf -print Therefore, I've looked for a solution, I've found few answers. but no solution works... I think you need to make certain that sendmail is set up correctly and can process mail before going forward with trying to troubleshoot mailman. PS : I'm running debian lenny/sid. It may be a good idea to check with debian support resources to help get this sorted out. It seems like every distribution does things a little bit different and they all seem to have their own ideas on what are the proper locations for things and the proper way to start daemons, etc. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] installing mailman and sendmail
Brad Knowles wrote: Shams Fantar wrote: It's a probleme with sendmail, I'm reading the documentation of mailman[2], but the output of the command grep smrsh /etc/mail/sendmail.cf is empty (sendmail is installed). Okay, so you acknowledge that this is a sendmail problem, therefore it seems to me that you should either be using the resources provided by your OS vendor to resolve this issue, or you should be using sendmail-related resources to resolve this issue. In either event, I don't think we can help you there. But I am curious as to why you would be looking for smrsh in the sendmail.cf and why you would think that this would be related to the issues you're having. End original message. - I am pretty certain he is referring to this: http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node32.html But the error message he got when he executed newaliases leads me to believe there is something else that is wrong there. So yeah, I agree with you Brad that he would be better served with getting help on a sendmail related forum or one for his OS. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] sync_members script
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hello, Just wanted to ask how you manage the following situation: There is a list of people you keep in an sql database. This database is edited/updated daily. From time to time you want to contact these people, so you export them as a flat file and import into Mailman (for example by using sync_members script). You do the mailing and some addresses are removed from Mailman. When you next time sync members from you sql database with Mailman, the sync_members script will add the previously removed members again, won't it (as they will not exist in mailman but will be in a flat file exported from sql database)? How do you handle this situation? When you get information about Mailman-unsubscribed emails, do you remove them then from your sql database? Is there any other way round it? Thanks! Zbigniew Szalbot End original message. - If you are running a responsible opt-in mailing list, I think it is your responsibility to make sure that the unsubscribes are propagated back into your SQL database. Doing anything else is at best negligent and at worst it is willfully ignoring the wishes of people to no longer receive your mailing. What you need to do in this case is to process the unsubscribe notices from mailman and then remove the corresponding e-mail addresses from the database. This should not be too hard to do with a script in your favorite language. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] sync_members script
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hi, On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:29:57 -0700, Dragon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hello, Just wanted to ask how you manage the following situation: There is a list of people you keep in an sql database. This database is edited/updated daily. From time to time you want to contact these people, so you export them as a flat file and import into Mailman (for example by using sync_members script). You do the mailing and some addresses are removed from Mailman. When you next time sync members from you sql database with Mailman, the sync_members script will add the previously removed members again, won't it (as they will not exist in mailman but will be in a flat file exported from sql database)? How do you handle this situation? When you get information about Mailman-unsubscribed emails, do you remove them then from your sql database? Is there any other way round it? Thanks! Zbigniew Szalbot End original message. - If you are running a responsible opt-in mailing list, I think it is your responsibility to make sure that the unsubscribes are propagated back into your SQL database. Absolutely - I was just hoping I wouldn't have to do it by hand... Sure if I had the unsubscribed addresses in a flat file, it would be easy to run an sql query to remove them from the sql database. I am just not thrilled about opening each unsbuscribed message and copying the email address into a file. Thanks! End original message. - Why do it manually? Mailman lets you send unsubscribe notices to the list owner. You could add another address to the list owner setting that would receive the e-mails and then pipe them to a script to extract the data automatically. At least that is how I would do it. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.1.5 to 2.1.9
Moss, Patricia wrote: I could not find much documentation on upgrading from mailman version 2.1.5 to version 2.1.9. I want to make sure that it is as simple as backing up my current install then run 'configure' and 'make install'. The new will overwrite the old and convert what needs to be converted; would this be a correct statement? End original message. - With the addition that if you are using any third party patches to your installation, you will need to re-apply them before your make step. So essentially, yes, it is pretty much that simple. A couple of things to note... The file config.log in the source directory for the previous release will have the configure command that you used to install that version. (You did keep that around? If not, you may have to reinvent what was done last install). If anyone has incorrectly edited Defaults.py instead of putting things in mm_cfg.py, those changes will be lost. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.10rc1 has been released
On Tue, April 15, 2008 16:24, Jim Popovitch wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two security issues mentioned in the announcement. harsh criticism How much sense does it make to announce security issues in a release CANDIDATE? Come on guys, release a STABLE version (or FIX), then announce. --- Standard Operation Procedures. /harsh criticism Quit feeding the enemy instead of your supporters. Thx, -Jim P. I'm going to be harshly critical as well. Did you even read the release notes in the announcement? You are completely off base here. While Mark did not explicitly say so in his reply, the fixes for the security problems noted are in the release. If you had read the notes, you would see that. I suggest you go back and read the original announcement in full. I'm currently using the 2.1.10b4 release and it has been quite stable since I went to it. I have no qualms about moving to the 2.1.10rc1 release and will do so as soon as I can manage the time to do it. My experience has been that by the time a release candidate is announced by this project, it is usually quite close to the final version and the only changes that are made in a stable release are often just translation issues. -- Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to change all subscribers config
Judy Angel sent the message below at 02:30 4/14/2008: How do I change all subscribers to a list from plain to mime How do I change all subscribers to a list from digest to non-digest? Thanks Judy Angel University of Hertfordshire End original message. - You can do those things through scripts run via the bin/withlist utility. I don't really know off the top of my head exactly how to do that as Python is not my forte. However, the MIME setting only refers to the digest option, so if you set it and then turn off digest for everyone, it really won't have any effect. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Selected timed delivery
Judy Angel sent the message below at 03:53 4/14/2008: I have a request for mail from a mailing list to be delivered at off peak time, 21:00-08:00. I have set it up in digest, but this format was not well received, and it only delivers once a day. Is there any way to freeze the messages and only release at a given time? End original message. - Mailman does not support any such functionality for individual posts. If you use the digest, you can edit the delivery time to what you want in mailman's crontab. However, I seem to recall that if the size of the digest exceeds the limit set in Digest options digest_size_threshold a digest mail will be sent immediately. So in order to insure that the digest is only sent when you want it to go out, you will need to make that setting large enough to cover the volume of posting in the digest period. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] dump all list users from cli
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent the message below at 10:01 4/14/2008: Is there a way to dump all the members of all lists in a single command?Something like list_members -o - * ? The output would be something like: list-name email-address etc. End original message. - See: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.062.htp Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] list address in From: line post message to closed list
Steve Lindemann sent the message below at 12:18 4/3/2008: I'm sorry, I'm just not sure what the best subject line would be for this... 8^(I'm sure this has been going on for ages, but it's only just recently been brought to my attention. The problem - when the list email address is (spoofed) in the From: line (as well as being on the To: line) the message posts to the list. The ability to post to the list is supposed to be restricted to only list members. The list address is not in the list of list members. Is this normal? I checked the config and there did see anything to allow this behavior there. Is the list email address automatically considered to be a member of the list? I can always block it in privacy options-sender filters, but should that even be necessary? Help! I checked what documentation I can find and couldn't find any mention of this behaviour. I didn't have a clue how to look for it in the FAQ so I settled for reading the index and didn't see anything resembling this there either. End original message. - This seemed rather strange to me too so I decided to test it on my server. I have 2.1.10b3 installed from source on a Redhat machine. My list is configured for posts from non-members to be discarded. I sent a message to one of my lists using the list address in the From: header. The message was discarded as I expected it would be and I confirmed this by an entry in the vette log. So it works on my installation as I expect it would. The question now is, what is the difference between my source install and your installation. Are you using a cPanel or Plesk version, or a version installed from somebody else's package maybe through yum or something similar? Are you certain that the message was distributed via the list? Is it in the list archive? Can you match the message ID to one in the post log? If you can see it in the archive and post log then it did get processed through mailman. If not, perhaps it was BCC'ed to your address or there is something else going on with your MTA. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] list address in From: line post message to closed list
Steve Lindemann sent the message below at 14:43 4/3/2008: Dragon wrote: Steve Lindemann sent the message below at 12:18 4/3/2008: The problem - when the list email address is (spoofed) in the From: line (as well as being on the To: line) the message posts to the list. The ability to post to the list is supposed to be restricted to only list members. The list address is not in the list of list members. Is this normal? I checked the config and there did see anything to allow this behavior there. Is the list email address automatically considered to be a member of the list? I can always block it in privacy options-sender filters, but should that even be necessary? Help! End original message. - This seemed rather strange to me too so I decided to test it on my server. I have 2.1.10b3 installed from source on a Redhat machine. My list is configured for posts from non-members to be discarded. I sent a message to one of my lists using the list address in the From: header. The message was discarded as I expected it would be and I confirmed this by an entry in the vette log. So it works on my installation as I expect it would. The question now is, what is the difference between my source install and your installation. Are you using a cPanel or Plesk version, or a version installed from somebody else's package maybe through yum or something similar? Are you certain that the message was distributed via the list? Is it in the list archive? Can you match the message ID to one in the post log? If you can see it in the archive and post log then it did get processed through mailman. If not, perhaps it was BCC'ed to your address or there is something else going on with your MTA. Dragon I'm running version 2.1.9, installed from a tarball on a Dell server running CentOS 5. I administer from the command line and thru the web interface. It's a pretty basic install. Now when you say it's from a tarball, is it a binary install or did you compile it (configure, make, make install, etc.)? Where did you obtain this version? If it isn't from one of the links on the page linked below, it may have been altered in some way by somebody else to conform to some distribution specific criteria. http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman.html I went thru the logs and saw the message hit our email server (originally from 5850-260-1-62.dialup.samtel.ru), it gets passed to mailman and I see the post entry showing it's arrival into mailman then then smtp entry showing it's delivery back to the email server. I confirmed the delivery to the 144 recipients (fortunately this is a small list) in the mail log. I am one of the recipients on this list, but in my case spamassassin flagged the message and it gets filtered away. I just widened my search thru the mailman logs and noticed some other lists (in the vette log) holding messages for moderation with the list email in the From: line. So it does appear to be something in this specific list that's misconfigured. I'm off to poke around the config again but I'd be very interested in any suggestions about what I might be looking for!? My first pass thru the config I was looking for something that would allow this to happen and didn't see it. If this is a stock install from the mailman source, I've pretty much exhausted my ideas. The only settings I know that should affect the ability to deliver an e-mail are: accept_these_nonmembers generic_nonmember_action header_filter_rules I've looked through all the other options and don't see anything there that would possibly allow something through. The only other thing I can think of is that this mail might have been held and accidentally accepted or it might have been sent with an Approved: header with the list or site password. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing Attachments
Aaron Gray wrote: Hi, a mailman newbie here :) Before installing MailMan I want to know if there is an admin option for either disallowing attachments, ie removing them or bouncing messages if they have an attachment. Many thanks in advance, End original message. - You have several options on what to do with attachments. You can have them completely stripped (which is what I do on my lists), leave them alone or have them scrubbed. Scrubbing is where the attachment is removed from the message and stored in the list archive while an URL is added to the list post pointing to the file. All of this is controllable by file type, if you desired it, you can allow or scrub some types of attachments while disallowing all others. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing the From: field
Stephen Martin sent the message below at 08:06 3/27/2008: This is a silly thing that should be easy, but I cannot for the life of me find the setting. I have a list that is now sending all messages with the list name and e-mail address in the FROM: header. For example, if the list were named MYLIST and I sent the message, the FROM: header is MYLIST [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of Stephen Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]. This new behavor (with the list name instead of the sender name) is not what I want (and not what the list used to do). I want the list to show the actual sender. I don't know how the configuration got changed, and I can't seem to find what changed to make it go back to the way it used to be. End original message. - Sounds like this list has been set to be an anonymous list. Check the anonymous_list setting on the main list options page. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] creating new virtual lists
billc sent the message below at 10:35 3/27/2008:
Hi again,
I'm still having a little trouble with virtual hosts, but most of it
is now working properly. Thanks for all the assistance.
What's the correct syntax for Virtual_Hosts {} in Defaults.py? I keep
getting errors when I try to put something there.
OK, you should NEVER edit Defaults.py
You put any overrides of any default values in mm_cfg.py
The reason for this is that Defaults.py gets overwritten on an
upgrade of the mailman code while mm_cfg.py does not.
Unfortunately, I don't know enough about the virtual host stuff to
help you as I don't use it myself.
I need to set moderation of new accounts (including any which are
subscribed and confirmed from here forward) to OFF. Where is that
setting? I see the one to toggle moderation on/off for all current
subscribers on the main Membership List page, but that doesn't appear
to affect new subscribers.
That is default_member_moderation setting on the Privacy Options -
Sender Filters page.
You will also want to look at the settings for
member_moderation_action and member_moderation_notice while you are
there to set them as appropriate.
Despite Mod being unchecked, all posts from my test subscribers
result in an email to the list admin with:
As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:
List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: And another test
Reason: Message has implicit destination
What does that mean?
It means that the list address or an acceptable alias did not appear
in the To: or CC: headers of the e-mail. You will get this if you
BCC: a list. You can turn this off if you like if you set
require_explicit_destination to NO on the Privacy Options -
Recipient filters page.
Dragon
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Re: [Mailman-Users] creating new virtual lists
billc sent the message below at 12:48 3/27/2008: At 3:12 PM -0400 3/27/08, Charles Marcus wrote: On 3/27/2008, billc ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Reason: Message has implicit destination What does that mean? The list address needs to be in either the To or CC field - its probably BCC'd... No, the mail is delivered to a Gmail account and pulled down from there using Fetchmail and dropped into Mailman. No CCs or BCCs. I *did* have to do some extra backflips with Gmail, as I currently have to wait 5 days before I can recreate the correct account name - I have discusion@ set up as an email list which forwards to discussion2@ until Gmail lets me out of the penalty box for having just deleted an account named [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps that's where the problem lies. Hopefully I'll be able to get that one to go away in 5 days. End original message. - Umm... why on earth are you doing that? It sounds convoluted and unnecessary to me (in fact, I think it is downright weird). The list address must appear in the To: or CC: header of the e-mail delivered to mailman or an acceptable list alias can be present. The only other option is to have require_explicit_destination set to NO (which is not recommended). Probably the best way to deal with this in your case with this weird configuration is to have the gmail address you are sending to added to acceptable_aliases on the Privacy Options - Recipient filters page. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] export mailman lists
CienciasAmbientales.com sent the message below at 10:53 3/26/2008: I have search in the FAQ and ARCHIVE but not find a solution to migrate/export the mailman lists (users, config options, etc.) from one Server to another. Any help or link? End original message. - It's in the FAQ. How did you search for it? http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.004.htp Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Limiting the number of posts from a list member
David Scribner sent the message below at 10:24 3/25/2008: I am running Mailman 2.1.5 on OSX Tiger server. Is there any way of implementing a limit on the number of daily posts to a list from a member? We have a couple of members on one list that have nothing to do but send off posts to the list they belong to, some times 10 - 12 separate posts within a short period of time. I would like to be able to set a number of allowed posts for them to say 4 or 5 per day. Is this possible? End original message. - The default distribution of mailman does not offer this functionality. It would require some custom code to implement. The only other option you have is to place these members on moderated posting and have a human play traffic cop. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Still sticking: gmail = fetchmail = mailman=postfix
bill christensen wrote: The only options given are -l for list and -q for queue. Then it says filename is the name of the plaintext message file to inject. If omitted, standard input is used. Ok... but there doesn't seem to be any way to designate a file name (my obvious guess at -filename didn't do it), and without it a call to python inject -l testlist appears to be sitting there waiting for more input. Sorry to have to keep bothering the list with this stuff. I'm looking forward to getting it running smoothly and moving a bunch of lists over from a rather ancient listserv software. End original message. - The file name is simply added as the last parameter of the command line. Like this: python inject -l testlist filename Otherwise, the script tries to read from STDIN. You do need to have something that passes as a valid e-mail message in the file. In other words, it needs appropriate headers (From:, To:, Message-id: at a minimum) and a valid message body terminated with a single line with a '.' and CRLF From the help emitted by the inject script: ./inject -h Inject a message from a file into Mailman's incoming queue. Usage: inject [options] [filename] Options: -h / --help Print this text and exit. -l listname --listname=listname The name of the list to inject this message to. Required. -q queuename --queue=queuename The name of the queue to inject the message to. The queuename must be one of the directories inside the qfiles directory. If omitted, the incoming queue is used. filename is the name of the plaintext message file to inject. If omitted, standard input is used. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] word bounces in from address
Nick L sent the message below at 10:20 3/17/2008: New user so be kind. I know that there is a workaround to remove the word 'bounces in the from heading. When you have hosting with some companies that use virtual hosting plans, you cannot hack the file necessary to remove this, is there another way to do the following? The way it is: Email comes in from the list and shows [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of member... The way it would be nice if it was: [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the from, or even with the on behalf of, just not the word bounces in the address. Is there a way to accomplish this if you cannot have access to the mailman files and the hosting company won't change it? Worth a shot. End original message. - That is not a problem with mailman, that is specifically a problem with Outlook (not sure exactly what versions). More info: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=on+behalf+ofquerytype=simplecasefold=yesreq=search Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] word bounces in from address
Kenneth Porter sent the message below at 11:15 3/18/2008: --On Monday, March 17, 2008 1:20 PM -0400 Nick L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that there is a workaround to remove the word 'bounces in the from heading. Just curious, why would someone want to remove bounces? Is it a swear word in some languages? End original message. - This issue has come up a number of times on this list since I have been a member. I think it is really a cosmetic thing. It's also limited to particular versions of Microsoft Outlook that display the From address as something like: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's not entirely incorrect for Outlook to do that as it is using the envelope-sender information not the actual From: header to display that info. The problem is that the relevant RFC document is vague on how that should be handled and displayed in the MUA. Mailman sends outgoing e-mails using the listname-bounces address as the envelope-sender to enable proper bounce handling when a delivery failure occurs. So the problem comes down to living with this display in Outlook or disabling proper bounce handling. Personally, I want proper bounce handling and anyone using Outlook that complains to me about this is basically told (politely, usually) there is nothing I can do about fixing something Microsoft did in their e-mail client so they can either live with it or find an e-mail client to their liking. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Google gmail problem
I meant to send this to the list but it only went out to the OP, damned reply-to setting on this list (I know, I know, y'all think it is good, I STILL disagree and always will). On Thu, March 13, 2008 17:22, Hank van Cleef wrote: I'm posting this to the mailman-users list in hopes that I can get some input that will either explain or resolve a problem I am having with gmail users. Their complaint is that they do not see a copy of their posts to the list reflected back to them. The options profile for these users is typically nodupes and plain All other flags (including the ack and not metoo) flags are clear. My system is configured with personalization enabled, and the individual messages sent out are personalized. Basic configuration is Mailman 2.1.9, Solaris 5.9, sendmail 8.13.8+Sun. Sendmail logs are quite clear that the user messages are being sent back to the users and received and acknowledged by the google mail servers (dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent). I'm a bit hampered by knowing absolutely nothing about gmail. I've got one user who is quite adamant that the problem is at my end. True with emails from this list, but not with other lists I am subscribed to. Gmail shows both sent one and the copy coming back at me. (from other lists, which are not identified). Does anybody have any experience with this problem? Is there a solution, and if so, what? This is a known problem with Gmail which suppresses display of any message it receives that has a message ID matching one in the sent messages mailbox. I am not certain, but I believe that if somebody replies to a post that was made from a Gmail account, the original post will then magically appear in the threaded view. Since I don't use Gmail, I have to admit this is hearsay at this point. There is really nothing anyone can do about it unless and until Google decides to change it. Your users either have to live with it or use a different service. -- Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
On Wed, March 12, 2008 13:12, David Symes wrote: hello there.I would like to know where mailman installs its files etc.i do have shell access to my hosting folders.i do know from past experience that mailman is still functional after it is uninstalled is i see the message there are no lists here or something like it That depends on how you installed it. If you did it from source and did not change the location, it will be in /usr/local/mailman If you installed from somebody else's package, it is probably somewhere else to conform with the distribution's notion of a proper file heirarchy. Red Hat moves things around and if you are using Plesk or Cpanel, they move things too (and support for them is out of the scope of this list as they haven't shared their changes back to the mailman project). -- Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Weekly reminder
Prashanth sent the message below at 23:00 3/6/2008: Hi, I want to mailman to send weekly mails, as of mailman sends mails Montly to the users in the list with their password I want to replace the data and ask mailman to send mails weekly. To say in simple words i want mailman to send the data that i give weekly. So, how to do that? End original message. - OK, if I understand you correctly, you want the password reminder e-mails to go out once a week... If that is correct, that function is controlled by a script run by cron. You have to edit mailman's cron table to change the time when it is run from the first of the month to whenever you want it to be (like perhaps every Monday or whatever). Check the documentation for cron on how to set the cron table and cron intervals. There is a text file for the standard crontab in the Mailman distribution you can edit and then install using crontab. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] images in a feedback page
Michael James Wright sent the message below at 00:38 3/4/2008: Hi Guys i'm creating a php contact page i have a submit image and a clear image but don't seam to work here the code input type=image src=images/submit.jpg input type=image src=images/submit.jpg both of the images keep going to http://www.stormsearchers.com/sendeail.php the clear image dose not clear the contact page End original message. - And precisely what does this have to do with Mailman? I'd suggest finding a forum or list dedicated to web development to ask such questions. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix mysql
Vytenis Tamakauskas sent the message below at 09:51 2/26/2008: Hello, I have problem, In my mail server are postfix with mysql, witch handles many user accunts and few dommains. I need to make mailing list in that server, and i dont find any info about that how to set up postfix + mysql + mailman and make them work together, or some other way to create mailing list in this machine.. Please help! End original message. - That is because there is no such out of the box configuration like that in Mailman at this point in time. I understand that there is some sort of plan to incorporate an RDBMS into Mailman in the 3.0 branch but that is still a long way off before that happens. I do know that some people have written scripts to extract e-mail addresses from their databases into plain text files to be used as input to Mailman's bin/sync_members script. Maybe this approach will work for you too. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Efficient handling of cross-posting
Mikhail T. sent the message below at 09:17 1/29/2008: Whatever I code up will, naturally, need to be approved by the project-maintainers. This is why securing their acceptance /in principle/ is important before beginning the actual work. As long as the official position remains: We do not do a single instance store within the archiving system of Mailman, and I can pretty much guarantee you that we never will. demanding work from a would-be contributor is facetious and insincere... If I get something like: Uhm, interesting, please send your patches, I'll get to work... End original message. - I think you are once again seeing this through the wrong perspective. Brad is saying that the current group of developers is not doing this because it is not perceived as a priority and there are a lot of other things that are. Yes, his wording was pretty discouraging but taken in context of all the people who ask for or even demand features and have no desire to contribute anything, I can understand why he phrased it the way he did. Now this does not preclude anyone from making changes they desire on their own or from presenting them to the development team for possible inclusion in a future release. This is after all an open source project and you may use or modify it in any way you desire as long as you comply with the terms of the GPL. You can then contribute those changes back as you see fit or simply use them yourself. If a feature developed independently is deemed to have a sufficient desirability by the core team, it is very likely it will get incorporated at some point in an official release. Nobody here has said that this is a worthless effort or that it will be automatically rejected. But you must also understand that this is a volunteer effort, nobody gets paid for it and you aren't paying anything to obtain or use the software to those volunteer developers. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Efficient handling of cross-posting
Mikhail Teterin wrote: Well, depending on the archival method, a message can appear in both, with only a single copy of it being stored. This can be achived, for example, using symbolic (or even hard) links. Similarly, if a relational database is employed, the same message can be referred to from multiple places. Hardlinks, for example, is how one IMAP-server (cyrus, I believe) stores messages sent to multiple recipients. But I was referring to search-results only. Regardless of how the messages are stored, if I type the search string and select several of the mailing list archives to search through, the same message may appear in my search results more than once. That duplication should not happen -- I don't think, anyone would disagree. End original message. - I disagree. Completely. I think you are trying to convince everyone your way is the only proper way to do it and I don't think you are seeing the wider issues here. First, there is no search facility built into mailman. Any such functionality is due to use of a third-party search facility either integrated into mailman by whoever installed it or through a source such as Google's site indexing. Second, if a message is stored in multiple archives then it SHOULD show up in the search results if you search those multiple archives. It should only appear once if you search only a single archive. If you use the default pipermail archiver or something like mhonarc to archive your list traffic, those separate hits in each list archive could indeed be different in that the thread links and previous post and next post links in them may (most likely will) point to different places as people reply to the message. Doing anything else is, IMO, both unnecessarily complex and may serve to obscure the relationship of posts in a thread within a single list. It would really be a nightmare to implement a multi-list-aware archiving system and search system. How do you keep track of what posts are stored where and which ones link to them in the forward and backward directions for each list (and those things ARE list dependent) if you only store a single copy? I know this can be implemented in a sophisticated RDBMS system but that requires a lot more complexity and having to install and run yet another software component. Just remember, you didn't pay anything for the right to use the mailman software, it is freely available under the GPL and both written and maintained by volunteers. Feature requests are just that, requests, not mandates. The developers may choose to implement something or they may not. The fact that one of the core developers (Mark Sapiro) is telling you that his is not desirable should be an indication that the way it functions is probably not going to change. Which leaves you with basically two options, develop the changes you want yourself or live with the way it works. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Postfix-Mailman-Exchange - Where are my NDR's?
Lamaster, Robert sent the message below at 15:45 1/18/2008: OK, after further research (I finally found a good source), I see that Mailman discards bounce (NDR) messages (whether or not you turn on it's bounce processing feature). Is there any way I can temporarily intercept these for troubleshooting? I'd just like to see some of the NDRs. End original message. - Is there some way you can have the -bounces address deliver to both the mailman queue and a mailbox? I know that is possible with sendmail but I am unsure about your setup. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] running External Archiver on background/foreground
Mohamed CHAARI wrote: what about the Archiver.pyc file ? do you think it is necessary to re-compile and re-install the whole soft ? or simply apply the patch on Archiver.py to make it working ? End original message. - Python is (usually) smart enough to figure out if the source file has been updated and the .pyc file is stale. In most cases you don't have to do anything to make it work after editing the .py file. If you are really concerned about it, just delete the .pyc file and it will be generated anew when Python next executes the .py file. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments in every email showing
Liss wrote: I've finally got my mailing list up and running, but no matter what I do, every single msg comes with a .txt attachment. I cant figure out how to shut it off! Any ideas? End original message. - Here is your problem: X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 The only way you can fix this is to stop using Microsoft Outlook and/or post only in plain-text, not HTML. This is not a problem with mailman, it is how Outlook interprets multi-part MIME mail messages and the fact that mailman cannot determine exactly where to insert a footer into an HTML message as it can with a plain-text one. Mailman adds the footer for the list as a separate MIME part of the message preserving the original in its own part. Microsoft chose to show the additional parts of a multi-part message as attachments even though they should be rendered in-line like Eudora and Thunderbird and a number of other programs do. It is not necessarily incorrect to treat such messages this way as the RFCs governing it give no guidelines on displaying a message in this form. This was also addressed on this list at least a couple of times in the last week or so. As Mark has both pointed out, see FAQ entry 4.039 for more detail: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments in every email showing
Liss sent the message below at 10:01 1/16/2008: Okay, but when I send a message to THIS list (which is also mailman) using html and Outlook, it doesn't create this issue goes through the list without the attachment. Why does it work with Mailman user list but not my own? Thanks for the link, I just subscribed yesterday and I'm having a heck of a time locating threads that help. End original message. - The reason you do not see the attachment behavior here is because this list is configured to scrub HTML and send in plain text. Since the message is flattened to plain text, mailman can simply insert the footer at the end of the plain text message and doesn't have to muck with MIME formats and multi-part messages. Please keep the discussion on the list by using reply-to-all, if you hit reply it only goes back to the sender (a philosophical point I despise but won't try to argue. Thankfully, I can configure my lists the way I prefer to post back to the list). Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Cron jobs posted by non-member in mailman
Vicki Stanfield did speak thusly: I am receiving all output from mailman cron jobs as requiring moderation (Post by non-member to a members-only list). I would guess that this is a file ownership issue, but I can't seem to resolve it. It happens with all my lists. Can someone help me find the solution? End original message. - It is quite possible somebody here can help you but it is also very likely that more information about your setup and the error will be required to diagnose what is going on. But as a stab in the dark... Did you install this yourself? If so, how? (From source? A package of some sort?) Did you run the bin/check_perms script as root with the -f option until it reports no further errors? Did you set up the proper aliases for each list for your particular MTA? Did you create the default site-wide mailman list as detailed in the install instructions? Do you have access to the mailman logs? If so, what does the error log say? All of that would give folks a starting point to help you, right now there is simply not enough information. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Cron jobs
Melinda Gilmore wrote: I keep getting this message from some cron jobs run. And I have looked at the permissions for the list it is referring to, but cannot seem to fix the problem. Can anyone point me in the right direction Your cron job on lists /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests produced the following output: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests, line 94, in ? main() File /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests, line 87, in main mlist.Save() File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 557, in Save self.__save(dict) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 512, in __save fp = open(fname_tmp, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/sis_directors/config.pck.tmp.lists.12634' End original message. - The user that mailman runs as (default = mailman) needs to have write permission to the directory shown in the last line of the trace back. Have you tried running bin/check_perms as root with the -f option? You may need to run it a few times to fix everything. These are the permissions I get on my /usr/local/mailman/lists directory: drwxrwsr-x 9 mailman mailman 4096 Aug 9 09:22 lists And for a sample list directory: drwxrwsr-x 3 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 3 09:00 cuisine If you are running a default installation of mailman, your lists directories should have the same permissions. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Some members not receiving all posts
Robert Boyd Skipper wrote: I've looked through the FAQ and the archives, but can't locate an answer to this. A few members subscribed to my list say they are not receiving every post. They know this by scrolling down the posts that are replies, and seeing chunks in the history that they never saw. They can go to the online archive and find the missing posts. Other users seem not to have this problem. More than one user has reported this problem. Because it is sporadic and unpredictable, I don't know where to start troubleshooting. Also, I did not install mailman myself. My provider has made it available. He is using mailman 2.1.9.cp2. Thanks in advance for any ideas. End original message. - Are any of them using web mail programs, in particular Gmail? There is a well known feature of Gmail where it suppresses display of a user's own posts if the message ID matches one of an e-mail the user sent. This is covered in the FAQ but it would be hard to find if you didn't know how to find it or if that was the exact symptom. See if this might be of use: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.042.htp Particularly the part about Gmail near the bottom. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list
Charles Marcus sent the message below at 09:13 12/19/2007: Charles Marcus, on 12/19/2007 7:39 AM, said the following: On 12/18/2007, Brad Knowles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On the web interface, the closest we get is the Membership Management section. If you have more users on the list than a certain built-in site-wide default, then this will be broken down by the first letter of their e-mail address. Where is this default set? I had a list that mysteriously switched to the view by letter mode, then a few days later, went back to listing them all on a single page... from the above comment, I'm guessing that I had added a member that put me over this limit, then removed one to put me back under. I'd like to bump it up a tad, so that doesn't happen again. Our lists are fairly static, and will not be growing significantly in the future. Answering myself, found it digging through Defaults.py... DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 30 is the default, which I just counted, and I currently have 30, so that was it... Bumped it up to 50 in mm_cfg.py and restarted mailman... End original message. - Unfortunately, that will only change the setting for new lists, not existing ones. The setting is stored in each list configuration when it is created and you would have to modify it for each list. You can see this by using the dumpdb script to examine the config.pck file for a list, the parameter is admin_member_chunksize. You can change this by using the config_list script -o option to output the configuration in text format, make the change there and then re-import it using the -i option of the same script. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Extracting e-mail addresses from a dead machine
Mark Sapiro sent the message below at 07:48 12/12/2007: Visvanath Ratnaweera wrote: I have the data backup from a dead machine. The list is not moved to a new server (yet). Therefore I have no running system of Mailman. Is there a way of extracting the e-mail addresses from this (data) backup? snip If you did have access to a Mailman installation, you could run Mailman's bin/dumpdb against the config.pck which would produce output easier to deal with, or you could create a lists/listname/ directory in that installation, put the config.pck in it and run bin/list_members -f -p listname End original message. - Is it really necessary to have a fully functioning Mailman installation to do this? Would it not be sufficient to have Python installed, a copy of the dumpdb script and the config.pck file? Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Technical question
Jason Bell wrote: The Mailman lists that I have setup send messages to my membership with the words -bounces added to the listserv e-mail address. Is there a way to modify -bounces to something else like -members? Please advise. End original message. - The lists are set up that way to allow for bounced messages to be sent back to Mailman for proper processing and not to the original sender (poster) of the message. I suppose you could change the MTA alias used to members instead of bounces but that would really serve no useful purpose and would obscure the fact that the address is used as bounce processing address. However, it may not be as simple as just changing an alias depending on what MTA you are using and how Mailman is set up. I'd really suggest just leaving it alone. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman never replies to e-mail
Sjors Gielen wrote: I've just tried sending myself an e-mail again, and it is delivered to Mailman, but I now don't even see an error message appear in the errorlog, it doesn't even *try* to send a reply. Also, I have Postgrey installed with Postfix, so that might be why the message couldn't be sent. However, since Postfix then sends a 4xx reply, shouldn't Mailman retry sending after ten minutes or so? End original message. - I see you are posting from a Gmail account. I will lay 100% odds that this is the problem. Gmail has a really unhelpful feature of hiding messages it receives that have the same message ID as one sent from your Gmail account. Now if somebody else were to post a reply to the list to that message, Gmail will magically display that message in the thread. This is a well known issue here on this list and I know a number of Gmail users have complained about it but Google apparently has no intention of fixing it (last I heard). Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Vexing withlist and possibly rewrite rule problem?
Ignacio Valdes wrote: So now, the final vexing question is that I have all this seemingly working but I cannot seem to get the mailman list to receive any e-mail. I have not setup an e-mail box for linuxmednews-announce at linuxmednews.com yet because I don't know what the server should do with email to that address so that mailman uses it. Any thoughts? Thanks! End original message. - How you configure it all depends on exactly what MTA you are using. In any case, there is no mailbox setup for a normal installation. Each of the MTA programs does it differently but there will either be aliases or config files that specify how mail gets delivered to and from mailman. Did you check the installation manual for instructions on how to set up mailman to work with your MTA? You can find it at: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/index.html Specifically, you want to look at section 6 and follow the guide for whichever MTA you are using. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu
Richard Rae sent the message below at 10:15 10/30/2007: Hi All, I have installed mailman on a ubuntu box in order to replace a failing old server. However I am hitting a few problems, and hope that you can help me. I have configured postfix correctly, and using telnet and other email clients results in the email being delivered. However when I create a newlist and notify the owner the email is never received. I have tried everything that I can find, and I believe that the issue is something small. Any input / request for info is welcome. End original message. - From your description of the problem, I am unsure if you can post to a list and see the post delivered. SOme clarification of exactly what is happening will help. In the meantime, see the troubleshooting tips here: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.078.htp There may be other things in the FAQ that may prove useful, it has a lot of information. (See the footer to any list post for a link to the FAQ). Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu
Richard Rae sent the message below at 14:53 10/30/2007: Thanks for getting back to me. I can not post to maillist at all. Nothing is received. I have tried the help in the subject line to trigger the help email back, and that has never been returned. OK, that sounds like Mailman isn't running. Did you start Mailman using the mailmanctl script? When I create a new list I no longer get the aliases output details. But that might be due to the integration between mailman and postfix (although not sure!!) I don't use postfix but others here do, they can help you better than I in that regard. Incase you have not gathered, I'm a newbie :) Hey, we all started somewhere, there's no shame in that. I'll run through the troubleshoots, thanks for the link Excellent, report back with your success or more information on the failure when you get through the steps there. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mailman + ubuntu
Richard Rae sent the message below at 15:38 10/30/2007: Ok, been through the some of the steps. The services are running and so is qrunner. They are set to run on boot I have check the permissions, and they are all worng apparently. Do you know how to resolve that? Thanks for the input :) End original message. - Run the bin\check_perms script with the -f option until it reports no errors. You need to be logged in as root to do this. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help!
mattias wrote: where can i find a list of mm_cfg.py variables? End original message. - Read the comments in Defaults.py they will tell you what you can set in mm_cfg.py Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-User] Problem About mailman GUI
QA Engg sent the message below at 05:17 10/29/2007: how could I get mailman GUI I'm very much new for mailman and linux please tell me the procedure what to do next and how to get mailman GUI End original message. - There is no such thing. Mailman uses a set of command line tools and a web interface but there is no GUI that controls Mailman. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts to list returned
Steven ** sent the message below at 09:39 10/29/2007: I am using Sendmail. My /etc/alias file has: ## mailman mailing list mailman: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman mailman-admin: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman mailman-bounces: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman mailman-confirm: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman mailman-join:|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman mailman-leave: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman mailman-owner: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman mailman-request: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman mailman-subscribe: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman mailman-unsubscribe: |/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman The list list was created through the web interface. Am I supposed to manually add similar entries for my new [EMAIL PROTECTED] list? End original message. - Yes, you need to add these to the /etc/aliases file and then run newaliases for sendmail to recognize them. When you create a new list with bin/newlist it will output a list of the aliases you need for the list. They must also be added to the aliases file and newaliases must be run. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] what does the nomail reason code U mean?
Ryan Kaldari wrote: OK, I give up, what does the nomail reason code U mean? Apparently there is no documentation of these nomail reason codes anywhere on the internet. I've seen a couple posts explaining that B means excessing bounces, A means set by the administrator, and ? means unknown. So what does U mean? End original message. - U = User, meaning the person with that e-mail address went into their settings page and set their account to No mail. The other two are as you surmised. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] invites for large user list fails
Anne Ramey sent the message below at 13:14 9/13/2007: I increased this time on my server # Timeout: The number of seconds before receives and sends time out. # Timeout 1000 from 300 to 1000 and managed to enter 1000 invites at once. It did the same thing with 2000. I think you were right about apache terminating the process. Is anyone else running lists that process large #s of invites at once? What should my apache limit be to be effective? End original message. - Why not just process it in batches? If a thousand works fine, then do a thousand at a time. Why is it so important to do it in one gulp? Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Limit to the Number of Subscribers for eachlist?
Brian Luria wrote: I am actually using bluehost as well (recently started) Haven't reached a limit for now - I was having major delays with messages being sent - found out it was b/c I was sharing a server with mulitple other users so we would all be in 'que' waiting for a msg to be sent. So, a thought I had - is it a 'crazy' idea to set up my own webserver and install mailman on it? Or is that a bit too much. Not sure if anyone out there has done that. End original message. - Why is that crazy? Lots of us have done just that. I run my lists on a server owned by a friend and have pretty much free reign to do whatever I want. If you can justify the costs of doing so, it is a good solution. For people like me who do this both as a hobby and for a non-profit organization, the trick is finding a place to host that server that won't cost an arm and a leg. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Limit to the Number of Subscribers for eachlist?
Larry Stone sent the message below at 14:09 8/29/2007: On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Dragon wrote: Lots of us have done just that. I run my lists on a server owned by a friend and have pretty much free reign to do whatever I want. If you can justify the costs of doing so, it is a good solution. For people like me who do this both as a hobby and for a non-profit organization, the trick is finding a place to host that server that won't cost an arm and a leg. Other than my time of installing it and configuring it, I have no costs. I run it on my iMac that sits at home. My DSL provider has no problems with servers. Volume is low enough that my 384Kbps upstream is adequate. Until a few months ago, that iMac was also my main desktop machine. While it's now a dedicated server, there's nothing about Mailman and whatever MTA you use that requires them to be on a dedicated server - they'll be quite happy to chug along in the background. End original message. - The problem is that not everyone has an ISP that is willing to allow a user to run an SMTP server or web server on a home machine. The server my friend owns that hosts my stuff is on a Cox business account with a static IP. Cox is one of many ISPs that won't allow their subscribers to run such a server on a standard home broadband connection, they will only allow such traffic on a business account. As with everything, your mileage will vary. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] simple newbie question re: Defaults.py
Gruver, Sandi sent the message below at 14:22 8/29/2007: Installed Mailman from rpm file. I do not see guidelines on where/how to configure mm_cfg.py. Is it to simply copy the lines needed from the Defaults.py file? End original message. - There is nothing difficult about this. Most settings made in Defaults.py can be overridden in mm_cfg.py, those that cannot are appropriately labelled in the comments in Defaults.py. To override a setting, copy the relevant line from Defaults.py and put it in mm_cfg.py, edit the setting as desired and save the file. When done, restart mailman. Please be aware that some settings only apply at list creation and any lists created prior to the change in mm_cfg.py will not reflect those updates. In those cases you will either have to change the setting through the administrative interface or via a withlist script. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] simple newbie question re: Defaults.py
Brian Luria sent the message below at 15:13 8/29/2007: I dont suppose you know of a newbie sort of pinned note or FAQ of setting up a mailman install from scratch, including the other items needed (sendmail, etc). I'm a relatively advanced user, but, haven't set up a webserver and a step by step would be awesome. Plus since i really dont NED to set it up from scratch, would rather not spend hours on it. Thanks in advance. End original message. - You mean something like this? http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/index.html I found a previous version of that document to be very clear and helpful when I first setup Mailman on my server a couple years ago. BTW, that is the first result returned if you Google on mailman installation manual. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] How do I include myself?
On Mon, August 27, 2007 17:06, Jon Slater wrote: Hi Everyone, I know this is a really dumb question, but until recently, I have always received a copy of any e-mail I sent to a list that I'm a member of. But now, I'm not. I send e-mail to the board list, and I never receive a copy. I know (by the fact I get responses) that everyone else is getting the message, but not me. :-( I don't want to have to CC myself. What don't I have checked? Thanks! Go to your subscription options page and ensure that the option entitled Receive your own posts to the list? is set to yes. Also ensure that Mail delivery? is set to Enabled. If there are topics defined and you are subscribed to them, you won't see anything not matching the topic(s) unless you also set Do you want to receive messages that do not match any topic filter? to Yes. That should do it. -- ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-discard notification
Daniel Ojo sent the message below at 15:27 8/16/2007: Help, I am trying to send a message to a list I am an owner of and I received this message. Original Message Subject:Auto-discard notification Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:45:40 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The attached message has been automatically discarded. Anyone have an idea what the issue is? Thanks, Daniel. End original message. - The owner and/or moderator are not automatically members of a list, in order to post to a members only list, you must be subscribed to it and have your moderation bit turned off. If you are not a member and you have the non-member post action set to discard, the post you attempt to send will be discarded. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] where is mailman-bounces address defined?
douglas repetto wrote: I found the problem. The address was defined correctly in mm_config.py, but for some reason it was truncated in Defaults.py. I don't really understand the mechanism by which changes in mm_config.py are propagate to Defaults.py...but something went wrong! I edited Defaults.py and restarted MM and am monitoring our logs. So far I don't see any more errors. End original message. - That makes no sense. The file you need to edit is mm_cfg.py NOT mm_config.py and DEFINITELY NOT Defaults.py The values in Defaults.py are used only if not overridden by a corresponding value in mm_cfg.py You DO NOT want to edit Defaults.py, it even says so in the comments in that file. This is because when you build and install a new version of Mailman, it will get overwritten. From Defaults.py: # NEVER make site configuration changes to this file. ALWAYS make them in # mm_cfg.py instead, in the designated area. See the comments in that file # for details. mm_cfg.py is where you put your site specific configuration. Only values appearing in Defaults.py that are listed as capable of being overriden will have any effect when put in mm_cfg.py Once you do make changes to mm_cfg.py, you will need to restart Mailman for them to take effect. However, anything that affects list default settings will not propagate into any list configurations, they will only be used when a new list is created. If you wish to change them for existing lists you must do that through the web interface or a withlist script. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Configuration
David Epstein wrote: I have been trying to get mailman to work on my box but unfortunately it refuses to work properly. While users can subscribe, when they send mail to the posting email address, they don't receive confirmation of the posting and the email isn't posted or sent to an administrator for confirmation. I'm probably missing or not understanding some random setting to get it to work properly. Any help would be appreciated! End original message. - We are going to need more detail than that. Are the Qrunners running? (Do ps aux | grep mailman as root to find out) What is your MTA? Have you set up the aliases for the list(s) so your MTA knows how to route list traffic? What is in the mailman error, smtp and vette logs? Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about autorespond
Melinda Gilmore wrote: I want to set up an auto respond if a user request to be subscribed to a list, there will be a message sent to them to verify that they want to subscribe and then they will be subscribed. Has anyone attempted this? End original message. - Mailman does this automatically by default if you have the list set to confirm subscription requests. The other options are approval required or both confirm and approve. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about autorespond
Melinda Gilmore sent the message below at 12:42 5/10/2007: I have been poking around and trying to find whre this confirm subscription is End original message. - It is in the web interface under Privacy options - Subscription rules. It's the second thing on that page. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Random duplicate message to subscribers
Jason LaMar wrote: We have a fairly large list (more than 26,000 subscribers), and recently it appears a very small fraction of the subscribers have started receiving duplicate messages -- sometimes as many as a dozen or more. This behavior just started happening within the last couple of weeks, and it seems to only impact a minute and random subset of the subscribers. Anyone seen similar behavior or have suggestions on the most effective way to troubleshoot this? There have been a number of discussions regarding similar things in the last few months. IIRC almost all of them were due to filter rules on the receiver end. A search of the list archives for duplicate posts or something similar ought to turn up the discussions. I don't know if anything exists in the FAQ regarding this. However, it is highly unlikely that Mailman is the culprit here. A check of the Mailman SMTP log and MTA logs should be able to determine if multiple copies are being sent. Far more likely is that the subscribers are getting multiple copies of replies to their posts or they have filter rules that are copying the posts instead of moving them. We're running version 2.1.5 on Red Hat Linux ES, and we've also had a few runaway Python processes in the last couple of months that forced us to restart the server. Perhaps this is all related and we just need to upgrade to 2.1.9. Anybody happen to have a pre-built RPM for RHEL 4 with the latest release? Are you committed to Red Hat's way of doing things? If you don't really care about their file hierarchy system, I would suggest dumping the RPM and compiling from source yourself. I've done a source install of various versions of Mailman on both an RHEL 4 and an RHEL 6 system and never had a problem with doing so. Otherwise, you are pretty much doomed to being behind a bit on releases if you rely on a package distribution of Mailman. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Random duplicate message to subscribers
Dragon wrote: Far more likely is that the subscribers are getting multiple copies of replies to their posts or they have filter rules that are copying the posts instead of moving them. End original message. - That didn't come out exactly how I meant it. What I was trying to say is that it is possible that the person is receiving these multiple copies because they are listed as a recipient in the To:, CC:, or BCC: fields. In the first two cases, this can happen if the user has Avoid duplicate copies of messages? set to no. If they were addressed in a BCC:, Mailman has no way of knowing that and cannot suppress sending of a duplicate message. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Placing a copyright notice in list messages.
Mark Sapiro sent the message below at 12:20 4/27/2007: Brandon Sussman wrote: Can a copyright notice containing the sender's name be automatically placed in regular mailman list messages? snip However, is this even a good idea at all. What if I post something which includes significant material quoted from someone elses post and I don't preserve the copyright from that post. Or I do preserve the copyrights from the quoted material, but the attributions aren't clear. I foresee a post with material from several authors and multiple copyright notices with no clear identification of what is copyright by whom. End original message. - I've got to agree with Mark, I think it very quickly becomes problematic to do this. It's very common for attributions to get mixed up or be ambiguous in replies, especially in long discussion threads. If somebody is truly concerned about their own copyright protection, that person should be making such a disclaimer on their own as part of their post and such a disclaimer should take a form something like: Except where otherwise indicated, all material in this post is copyright current year poster's name, all rights reserved. The problem with this is that the poster using it must be extremely careful to ensure that all quoted material is indicated unambiguously as being not under the copyright notice. It's fraught with all sorts of legal implications if it is not done correctly. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting the FONT globally for the mailman GUI?
Christopher X. Candreva sent the message below at 06:26 4/25/2007: On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Brad Knowles wrote: project) would agree. However, who's actually going to write the code to do this? When is that going to be incorporated into the mainstream codebase, and for which version? Is there a standard template library for Python, ala Template::Toolkit for perl or Smarty for php ? End original message. - No, that is why this discussion is going on. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing the Name of the Mailman Machine
Mark Sapiro sent the message below at 10:26 4/24/2007: It is a good idea to first run bin/cleanarch against the archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox files to make sure there won't be any problems from unescaped lines beginning with From . You can use the --dry-run option to check the file without writing a new file. End original message. - I am curious about this... if the mbox file in question was produced entirely by the stock pipermail archiving functionality of Mailman, is this step really necessary? Also one thing I don't like about the bin/arch script is that it sets the file creation date of the generated HTML files to the date the file was processed. What I would really prefer is that it sets it to the message date. The reason I would prefer to see that is because I use htdig to index my archives for searches and it is the only way that I know of to get the message date displayed within the search results. About a year ago when I was importing and updating some previous archives from a majordomo/MHonarc installation, I wrote a Perl script to extract the message date and time and used that to set the creation date of the message file. While that works, it would be nice to have this built into the arch script as an option for those who would like it. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting the FONT globally for the mailman GUI?
Ivan Van Laningham sent the message below at 13:04 4/24/2007: It'd be nice to have an easier way, yes. We'd have to have a special web page devoted to Mailman settings, not list settings. Threel ways to organize such a meta-page would be: 1) on a per-machine basis; 2) on a per-list basis; and 3) on a per-virtual-host basis. End original message. - Actually no, those are not the best way to do this IMO. If ALL of the web pages were template-based, it would be a simple matter of defining the CSS you want in a CSS file and adding it to the page header. Wasn't somebody working on moving everything to a template system for the 2.2 branch or was that for 3.0? If so, that would be a nice new feature to have. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting the FONT globally for the mailman GUI?
Stephen J. Turnbull did speak thusly: Dragon writes: Actually no, those are not the best way to do this IMO. If ALL of the web pages were template-based, it would be a simple matter of defining the CSS you want in a CSS file and adding it to the page header. There's no reason why the programmatically generated pages can't have a LINK element added to their headers. Then what needs to be done is to add appropriate class attributes to the elements in generated content. I believe it may be possible *now* to accomplish what the OP requested, however, by the simple expedient of adding an appropriate header to the HTTP response specifying a style sheet. I'm pretty sure that such a header exists, but I have no idea whether IE respects it. End original message. - Yes, it could be done now, but it requires changes to the mailman code that generates the page. But, I think that in the long run, converting all HTML output of mailman to a template based system with the ability to fully customize the interface is the direction it should go. As for the CSS link header, IE does respect such links, why should it not? A whole lot of web sites would not display properly on it if it didn't. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscription Help
Dave Kall wrote: Ok, Thanks for this I now have this working. I've looked through the archives for url and wget to discover my next and last issue and can't find anything. I need to set the mod bit for new members. I may be able to hack the config file and have it always set the mod bit on for new list members but haven't found any good references to that file and what's where. I would rather just send the info in a url and be done with it and not change any of the file settings so when I update mailman I don't have to redo anything. So this is where I'm at: I tried http://mydomain.org/mailman/admin/tips/members? [EMAIL PROTECTED]setmemberopts_btnadminpw=mypassword Is it possible to set this from a URL? I think it must be but I'm missing something. I would love to be able to set it when I make the add record request but don't know if that is possible. Thanks for the help. The last hint really saved me a lot of time. End original message. - You can set a list default to have all new members on moderated status. Have you tried setting that for the list and then adding a member via this method? It's worth a try. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Support for Cpanel users?
Brad Knowles sent the message below at 12:06 4/16/2007: Maybe it's also time we set up a separate mailman-cpanel-users list, as well as a mailman-plesk-users list. End original message. - I see the problem with that idea being that there won't be many subscribers to either list and the core folks who provide a large part of the help on this list won't be on either of those lists because they don't use Plesk/cPanel. In which case, it really becomes next to useless. A critical mass of knowledgeable/dedicated people are needed to make user-based support lists such as this function in a useful manner. BTW, I do have access to a Plesk-based server (and I must say I hate it, for every task it makes easy, it makes nine more inordinately convoluted and hard). No promises, but there is a possibility from time to time that such access could be useful. And to be honest, even though I have such access, it is unlikely that I would add yet another list to my many subscriptions just on the off chance I might be able to help somebody over there. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscriber problem
python python sent the message below at 04:04 4/6/2007: Hi I have mailman 2.1.8. along with postfix. Everything is fine. now from few days i watching few of my sunscriber from list automatic get unsubscribe, without knowing anyone. Could you tel me the causes ??? On membership list i am finding B option in nomail reason??? whats this??? End original message. - This means that the subscriber's e-mail address is bouncing. In other words, the addresses are returning either permanent or transient errors (unknown user, mailbox full, etc.) Mailman keeps track of these errors and disables delivery to these addresses until the problem is resolved. Go to the list admin page and select Bounce Processing. There is a description on that page of how this works and you can configure when or if it is triggered. You can shut off the bounce processing, but this is not recommended for a number of reasons. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] default settings for newly created lists
Tomas Macek wrote: Hi, I'm running Mailman 2.1.5.1-34 on RHEL4 machine. I will have to create some lists and I don't want to go throught the bin/config_list -o list.cfg list - edit the cfg file - bin/config_list -i list.cfg list, but I want to edit the options, that are the source for the creating new lists when I type the ./newlist command. Where is the default setting for new lists stored? I really can't find it. For example I'd like to have 'msg_footer' option set the same for all my lists, 'generic_nonmember_action' and many others set to my own default, when I create a new list. Is it possible? Where can I do it? Many thanks, Tomas End original message. - All of the list and server defaults are in the Defaults.py file but DO NOT change that one. It gets overwritten when Mailman is upgraded. You can put the settings you want in the mm_cfg.py file, this file is used to override defaults and set other options like msg_footer etc. at list creation. The settings you want have to be in that file when you create the list or they won't be set. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] my email to a list - getting it back!
James D. Lainton wrote: I know this is probably a VERY easy option for most of you, but for the life of me, I cant find it. I have a list that i have started and its working very well. However the poster does not receive his own message, even though he is part of the list. I can setup an autorepond telling him/her that it was recieved and sent out, but it would be more straight forward to have the original message just come back as part of the list. I know the option is there...just need to find out where. End original message. - Is this just one person? Is this person using Gmail? Gmail tries to be helpful by silently discarding any e-mails that match ones in the sent folder. There has been much complaining about this behavior and as far as I know, Google has no plans to fix this feature. If that is not the case, then go to that person's options page (Membership Management- Membership List, then click on the person's e-mail address) and check that the person has Receive your own posts to the list? set to yes. Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
