Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-docs] How to get Sender Id from the Mailing List where the annoymous option is set
Cleaning up my mail spool. Didn't see a response so... The answer is yes. you can look at several of the log files maintained by Mailman and get a LOT of info. Among that information is who posted and when. Here is a slice of a stats file I run monthly. This part lists the top ten posters to the list mylist: echo Top 10 posters to the list mylist: grep -i post to mylist $POST |cut -f 10 -d |sort |uniq -c \ |sort -bgr |head -10 Hope that helps *someone* Jon Carnes On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 06:57, vijayan p wrote: Hi, I am the list administrator for a mailing list running mailman 2.1.3 with python. My list is set as anonynmous list. So I cannot find the senders email id. I donot want to change the settings to non annoymous, as this will discourage people from posting to the group. Can anyone tell me how to obtain the statistics of which member has posted how many messages. Also is there a way to know who has posted a particular mail. Regards, vijay __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Mailman-docs mailing list Mailman-docs@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-docs -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-docs] Re: [Mailman-Users] How to get Sender Id from the Mailing List where the annoymous option is set
On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 16:23, Brad Knowles wrote:
At 3:57 AM -0800 2005-02-08, vijayan p wrote:
Can anyone tell me how to obtain the statistics of
which member has posted how many messages.
I think you'd have to look at the incoming messages in the MTA
logs, before they get handed off to Mailman. But keep in mind that
Mailman does not have any facility for creating or monitoring
statistics, unless you want to create a script to do that.
It's also recorded in Mailman's logs (the post log).
Also is there a way to know who has posted a
particular mail.
Yes. look at the post log.
Here is a stats script which does some of what you asked. I wrote it
about 3 years ago...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Useful_scripts]$ more mm_stats
#! /bin/bash
# Run monthly stats on Meeting maker logs
# - top 10 users of each list
# - Number of attempted posts (per list)
# - Total bytes sent (per list)
# written by Jon Carnes, last modified on Sept 26, 2002
#
# Mailman's log file to be examined for stats
#POST=/home/mailman/logs/post
#
# Run this script the first of the month right after the
# the log files have been rotated. The log file for the
# previous month will then be post.1
POST=/var/log/mailman/post.1
# create temp file to collect stats
TMPFILE=`mktemp /tmp/mm_stats.XX` || exit 1
LIST=`/var/mailman/bin/list_lists |awk '{print $1}' |sed -n '2,$p'`
for i in $LIST
do
echo Stats from local Mailman list: $i $TMPFILE
echo $TMPFILE
echo -nStarting:$TMPFILE
head -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 -d $TMPFILE
echo -nEnding: $TMPFILE
tail -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 -d $TMPFILE
echo === $TMPFILE
echo -n Total posts to the list: $TMPFILE
grep -i post to $i $POST |wc -l $TMPFILE
echo -n Total SUCCESSFUL posts to the list: $TMPFILE
grep -i post to $i $POST |grep success |wc -l $TMPFILE
SIZ=`grep -i post to $i $POST |grep success |cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1
-d,`
k=0; for j in $SIZ; do k=$(( j + k )); done
echo Total bytes = $k $TMPFILE
echo $TMPFILE
echo Top 10 posters to the list: $TMPFILE
grep -i post to $i $POST |cut -f 10 -d |sort |uniq -c \
|sort -bgr |head -10 $TMPFILE
echo$TMPFILE
# Mail collected stats off to the list admin and cc the mailman user
mail -s Mailman Stats for List: $i -c mailman $i-admin $TMPFILE
done
# remove the temp file
rm $TMPFILE
===
Jon Carnes
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Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 00:09, Jim Chivas wrote: I double checked the information you suggested below. I did your suggestion and it works ok. Now new question. I am following the mailman doc to create my first list ex: http://my.dom.ain:8080/mailman/create Note the port number! The screen comes up and I put in the data requested but when I click on create I receive the 'mailman/create' page can't be found plus the URL in my browser does not keep the port# 8080 in its path. I am assuming this is my trouble. To correct this I added DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'pipeline.langara.bc.ca:8080' This will not work. Default_URL_Host is simply the hostname. The way Mailman treats this variable makes it so that you *must* instead make the change in: DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' In your case I think this will work: DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:8080/mailman/' to my mm_cfg.py file at the end. I then stopped and started mailmanctl. When I try again the url still keeps loosing the port# 8080 from the URL. Referencing the following list off the create page returns similar no port# url as follows. http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/admin (overview) http://pipeline.langara.bc.ca/mailman/listinfo (list overview) Can you offer any suggestions on how to keep the port# in the URL's for mailman? Thanks Jim Give that a try, Jim. Note: I believe that your existing lists will already have the old URL stored in their database (config.pck) - so you will need to either recreate the lists (after making the above change) or you will have to use withlist to modify the url inside the existing lists databases. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Add ability for admin to change email addresses inside List database
On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 10:19, Nancy S wrote: Jon wrote: I don't think anyone on Mailman-dev wants to encourage the bad practice of allowing folks to be subscribed without their approval (except by the list admin), so don't look for this feature to be changed in MMv3. This may be slightly off this particular topic, but I run several mailman lists with the options: o) Administrator approval is required for all subscriptions o) No confirmation is required for subscriptions These are relatively closed communities of nontechnical people, where the administrator has tight connections to the subscribers and there is some offline or unstructured confirmation that occurs outside of Mailman itself. The problem I've been having is that there doesn't seem to be a way for the LIST ADMIN to change a subscriber's e-mail address without a confirmation (unless one goes through a subscribe/unsubscribe which risks changing user options and the user password). For these particular communities we really do not want confirmation required -- and if it's not required for the initial subscription, why is it required for the address change? That's a nice feature and a good justification for it. I'll forward that along to the MMv3 list and see if folks like it. It almost trivial to write a command line tool that would change an email address inside the list database. The harder part will be adding it to the Admin's web form. Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Way to protect web pages
On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 09:04, Thomas Waters wrote: Panther Server/apache + Mailman 2.12 Is it possible to have the list info web pages displayed within a restricted access intranet? Is this an alias issue or mod_rewrite issue? Our webserver host name is www.pharmacy.pitt.edu and all mail and mailman lists are functioning as desired. But, the mailman web pages are displaying at www.pharmacy.pitt.edu/mailman... and I don't want that. What I want is for the pages to be visable via a Vhost, intranet.xxx.. If you have set that up as the virtual host for those lists to use, then you only need to toggle on setting in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file (look at the Defauts.py file for the explanations and syntax): # When set to Yes, the listinfo and admin overviews of # lists on the machine will be confined to only those # lists whose web_page_url configuration option host # is included within the URL by which the page is # visited - only those on the virtual host. When # set to No, all advertised (i.e. public) lists are # included in the overview. VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = On -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Change hostname
On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 09:49, Helmut Schneider wrote: Hi, I apologize if the question was asked before. I have a server running mailman 2.1.2, say mail.domain.com. I got 3 lists. Now I add an alias for the server in DNS (e.g. lists). How is it possible to transfer the 3 lists to the new alias? If I open the page http://lists.domain.com/mailman/listinfo I can see the welcome message. If I create a new list here it is listed here to. But the old lists do only appear under the old hostname (http://mail.domain.com/mailman/listinfo). Same for the footer. Thanks, Helmut http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.029.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
RE: [Mailman-Users] Stop the Confirmation E-Mail
Folks get around this by writing their own web-page for subscriptions (and email address/script). They feed the addresses into a command line script. The command line script allows additions without confirmations. You can also hack the code to allow this. I don't think anyone on Mailman-dev wants to encourage the bad practice of allowing folks to be subscribed without their approval (except by the list admin), so don't look for this feature to be changed in MMv3. Jon Carnes On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 13:55, David Massey wrote: Steven, I'm still using 2.0.8; not sure how this works in later versions. In 2.0.8, the settings for confirmation approval are contained on the privacy options page. You can require confirmation, or approval, or both. There is no option for neither. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steven Massey Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop the Confirmation E-Mail Hello, I've tried checking the previous list posts and the FAQ but I haven't figured this out. How do I setup my list so that people can subscribe via the web interface or the e-mail subscription request and be immediately subscribed without ever confirming the request? The person will just receive the welcome message and no confirmation e-mail. I also don't want to have to confirm the subscription. I know security-wise this isn't a great idea, but thats how my client wants it setup. Thanks in advance, Steven -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named japanese
On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 13:46, Ana Carolina Alonso de Armio wrote: Hello, I have a problem using mailman: I have a mail server (sendmail) where I hade installed mailman 2.1.4. There is installed Python 2.2.2. and Python-devel. I have a list and when I run the command list_list it work very well. I have another server, my web server running apache, there is installed Python 2.0 and Python-devel. I hade mounted the mailman directory into my web server using NFS. When I run a command, like list_list, it give the error: Traceback (most recent call last): File ./bin/list_lists, line 44, in ? import paths File ./bin/paths.py, line 55, in ? import japanese ImportError: No module named japanese I don`t understand where is the problem. Any idea? Ana Hmmm, two different versions of Python all using the same Mailman install via NFS... that doesn't sound like a very good idea. Still it might work. If you look in paths.py you will see the line: import japanese This imports a python module for handling Japanese character encoding. The module probably exists on mail server, but definitely has not been installed on your Web server. Once you install that module, the error will probably go away... and be replaced by some other error indicating some other missing modules. Make sure you have a full Python install running on your Webserver. Most distributions of Linux only include by default the modules that their system apps use. Generally the others are all lumped into a larger package called Python-development. Good luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named japanese
On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 14:59, Ana Carolina Alonso de Armio wrote: Thanks I had change my mailman version, I had uninstalled mailman 2.1.4 and I had installed now mailman 2.1.3. I did it because I received next error into the page: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! /H3 But now I get: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! /H3 ... So, the re-installation no chage the state. When I run a command in my web server like ./bin/list_lists, I get: Traceback (most recent call last): File ./bin/list_lists, line 47, in ? from Mailman import MailList File /usr/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 40, in ? from email.Utils import getaddresses, formataddr, parseaddr File /usr/mailman/pythonlib/email/Utils.py, line 12, in ? import warnings ImportError: No module named warnings Wath shoul I do? change my python version in my web server so that the version in both, my web server and my email server (list server), will be the same? Thanks in advance. Ana That will work, or you can simply install the updated Python in a different directory and when you install Mailman, point it to the New Python install. Works a treat! Good Luck - Jon Carnes BTW: The bug message is simply Python's way of saying that there was a problem with running the program - it doesn't mean the program has a bug. In your case, it means that the modules it needed were missing. You should feel free to run Mailman version 2.1.4, it's very solid and reliable. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Stop the Confirmation E-Mail
On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 19:45, Jamie Penman-Smithson wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 23:12, Steven Massey wrote: Jon, Thanks for the response. I would tend to agree with you, but this client is particularly insistent on setting it up this way. Perhaps people on the list could help me by providing some fodder to argue why there should be a confirmation e-mail. I've tried saying that people could be maliciously signed up for a list they never wanted to be on, but they don't seem to think that is really an issue. Are there other reasons I can provide? Even the smallest things could be useful. [This may come out slightly stronger than I intended, but it's something I feel very strongly about - spam...] A single forged email is all that's needed to get someone subscribed to a mailing list they didn't want to be subscribed to, and it is far too easy to forge the sender with SMTP. By doing that you're simply creating *more spam*, and probably (hopefully - it'd mean they'd be doing their job) end up blacklisted by the major RBL's, not to mention have lots of irate users asking you why they are subscribed to a mailing list they didn't want. That would mean that most of the mail sent out by your client (and your server) would be promptly rejected. Not requiring confirmation also means you can end up with a mass of email addresses that aren't valid on your mailing list, creating endless bounces, and more work for your MTA (and Mailman). If you or your client doesn't think that is going to happen (IOW the mailing list won't get any spam), they need to get a clue - it won't be long before you start getting spam to those ML's. If you have any sense of responsibility you'll persuade them that this is definitely not what they want. Just my opinion... take it or leave it.. Additionally there are several Anti-spam laws in the works that would *require* a confirmation before adding a user to a mailing list - additionally they require accurate unsubscribe information to be included within each list message. Mailman meets the requirements of any current laws, and those being considered by parliaments the world over. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages not moving fro mail directory to qfiles directory
The mail should be downloaded straight into the Mailman script which moves it straight to the qfiles. The email should never be stored in a local queue file once the alias for the list is invoked. This indicates that you have a problem with the aliases (or your systems interpretation of the aliases). Please post an sample of your aliases file. Jon Carnes === On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 11:20, David Miner wrote: Jon, I have created a list and received the notification of it. I added the list to the aliases file and sent messages to it. maillog show the messages being passed to Mailman. The messages get as far as the mail directory and do not get to the qfiles directories. At this point there is one file in the mail directory titled mailman post test and it contains the several messages I have sent to the list. There are no files in any of the qfiles directories. Additional information: There is also a mailman bounces test and a mailman post fp file in the mail directory. There is also a mailman file there. According to your comment, the mailman post (and bounces) app is not working. What do I do to fix it? Thanks, David At 08:09 PM 3/15/2004 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 10:12, David Miner wrote: I am running version 2.1.4 of Mailman. It was installed from the FreeBSD port. I am running FreeBSD 4.9 My MTA is sendmail. I have installed and configured Mailman 2.1.4. I have created a list and entered the information in /etc/aliases and run newaliases. My /var/log/maillog show incoming mail being passed to Mailman. The messages are passed through the system until they reach the /usr/local/mailman/mail directory, then they stop. bin/check_perms says no problems. Qrunners and mailmanactl are running and show up in ps -aux. I have followed all of the steps in FAQ 3.14 Troubleshooting: No mail going out to lists members. A search of the mailman archives (because of the way I thin about the problem) either resulted in nothing or too much to search through. I scanned the archives month by month back to December 2003 and found nothing. Suggestions? TIA, David David, have you created any lists successfully (and gotten notification of their creations)? Did you create the mailman list? So... you've successfully created the mailman list and a test list. You send to the test list and the MTA (Sendmail) runs the Mailman app associated with that alias - so the message is now waiting in one of your ~mailman/qfiles/.. directory's. cd ~mailman/qfiles/ ls * Can you tell us if there are files there, and which directories they are in? If there are no files in the qfiles directory, then either they are getting processed by the qrunners (so there should be MTA records of the outgoing mail) or they are not getting to the qfiles directory - so the mailman post app is not working for the list. Jon Carnes --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.619 / Virus Database: 398 - Release Date: 3/10/2004 David R. Miner Voice: (850) 644-8107 Assistant In Information PracticeFax:(850) 644-6253 Faculty Practitioner in Network Services E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] School of Information Studies The Florida State University Tallahassee, FL 32306-2100 __ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.619 / Virus Database: 398 - Release Date: 3/10/2004 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages not moving fro mail directory to qfiles directory
You are missing the pipe in front of the aliases. Example: fp: | /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post fp The pipe tells the mail server to launch the program (/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman, and to feed the message into the program as data. You'll need to edit all the aliases and add a pipe in front of each one. If you create a new list from the command line, you will see that proper format. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 14:05, David Miner wrote: Jon, Here are the two lists I have created: ## fp mailing list fp: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post fp fp-admin: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin fp fp-bounces: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces fp fp--confirm:/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm fp fp-join:/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join fp fp-leave: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave fp fp-owner: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner fp fp-request: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request fp fp-subscribe: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe fp fp-unsubscribe: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe fp ## test mailing list test: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test test-admin: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin test test-bounces: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test test--confirm: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test test-join: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join test test-leave: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave test test-owner: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner test test-request: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request pt test-subscribe: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test test-unsubscribe: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test Hope this helps. David At 01:15 PM 3/16/2004 -0500, you wrote: The mail should be downloaded straight into the Mailman script which moves it straight to the qfiles. The email should never be stored in a local queue file once the alias for the list is invoked. This indicates that you have a problem with the aliases (or your systems interpretation of the aliases). Please post an sample of your aliases file. Jon Carnes === On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 11:20, David Miner wrote: Jon, I have created a list and received the notification of it. I added the list to the aliases file and sent messages to it. maillog show the messages being passed to Mailman. The messages get as far as the mail directory and do not get to the qfiles directories. At this point there is one file in the mail directory titled mailman post test and it contains the several messages I have sent to the list. There are no files in any of the qfiles directories. Additional information: There is also a mailman bounces test and a mailman post fp file in the mail directory. There is also a mailman file there. According to your comment, the mailman post (and bounces) app is not working. What do I do to fix it? Thanks, David At 08:09 PM 3/15/2004 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 10:12, David Miner wrote: I am running version 2.1.4 of Mailman. It was installed from the FreeBSD port. I am running FreeBSD 4.9 My MTA is sendmail. I have installed and configured Mailman 2.1.4. I have created a list and entered the information in /etc/aliases and run newaliases. My /var/log/maillog show incoming mail being passed to Mailman. The messages are passed through the system until they reach the /usr/local/mailman/mail directory, then they stop. bin/check_perms says no problems. Qrunners and mailmanactl are running and show up in ps -aux. I have followed all of the steps in FAQ 3.14 Troubleshooting: No mail going out to lists members. A search of the mailman archives (because of the way I thin about the problem) either resulted in nothing or too much to search through. I scanned the archives month by month back to December 2003 and found nothing. Suggestions? TIA, David David, have you created any lists successfully (and gotten notification of their creations)? Did you create the mailman list? So... you've successfully created the mailman list and a test list. You send to the test list and the MTA (Sendmail) runs the Mailman app associated with that alias - so the message is now waiting in one of your ~mailman/qfiles/.. directory's. cd ~mailman/qfiles/ ls * Can you tell us if there are files there, and which directories they are in? If there are no files in the qfiles directory, then either they are getting
Re: [Mailman-Users] One installation, many appearances?
On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 22:36, Shaun T. Erickson wrote: I have a FreeBSD server on which I host email and web sites for a number of virtual domains, via postfix and apache. Several of the domains would like to have mailman mailing lists, as well. Can each domain have what appears to be it's own dedicated mailman instance, but with only one actual install of mailman on the server? I.e., they go to www.theirweb.site/mailman and see only their lists, and another domain's users go to www.theirother.site/mailman and see only their lists, and so on? Yes. The caveat is that version 2.1 (the current version) will not allow two lists with the same name so you cant have: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Though you can have: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Additionally, postfix stores and retrieves all its information for my email domains in a mysql database. Can mailman interface with that? Mailman won't do the SQL database (yet), but you can set up the aliases yourself inside the SQL database. I think that Postfix can also handle multiple alias maps, so you might be able to simply let Mailman use the standard text file based aliases file. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] webserver integration problem with ownership
On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 03:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, i setup a mailman-site and it seems to run quite smoothly. BUT: the integration with my webserver seems to be faulty. whenever i use the administrative web frontend, the owner of the list *.pck files is changed to the user 'apache' (the one my web server runs with). this leads to the cron-job gate_news failing and complaining : Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 284, in ? main() File /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 264, in main process_lists(lock) File /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news, line 199, in process_lists mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 128, in __init__ self.Load() File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 594, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 560, in __load fp = open(dbfile) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck' and so i end up receiving a huge number of errors until i reset the owner-ship ! i tried using check_perms to fix this but check_perms indicates no problem at all. Any help ?? Thanks in advance! ___ What is the Group ownership for the file? Is the suGID bit set for the directory: drwxrwsr-x2 root mailman 4096 Mar 16 12:00 . drwxrwsr-x6 root mailman 4096 Dec 22 23:52 .. -rw-rw1 mailman mailman 3389 Mar 16 09:00 config.pck.last Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Replying to Archived Messages
On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 13:18, David Massey wrote: Hello... We are using Mailman 2.08 and need to upgrade but I have the following question: Is it possible in 2.08 or in later versions to REPLY and REPLY ALL to archived messages so that the message and subject heading remain intact? This seems like an important feature -- which I am told is available in yahoo groups -- to a member who wants to interact with the list via the archives but not receive digests or individual messages... David Massey This is not a feature of Mailman, though there are several archivers which can do this. You should look at MHonarc. MHonarc can be used instead of Pipermail (the built-in archiver), and then the archives will have all the functionality that MHonarc brings. Good luck in your quest - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Exim errors eaten by Mailman
On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 16:09, Adam Gintis wrote: Hello, I've got a problem I'm not sure how to attack. After successful delivery of a message by Mailman, my Exim mainlog shows: Error message sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, because listname-admin is fed back into Mailman, I never get a chance to see what that Exim error was. I think its just a couple of the addresses on the list that failed, but I'd like to see the message. Any ideas? I'm using exim 3.35-1woody2 and mailman 2.0.11-1woody8 on Debian 3.0 r1 Woody. Thanks! Hmmm, how about changing the alias for listname-admin so that it goes directly to your email address. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Performance limitations inquiry
On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 21:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I run mailman 2.1.4 on FreeBSD unix with sendmail. I'm running it on a co-located server in a verio datacenter, so it's internet connection is fast. My question is, how can I expect the server to perform if the primary function of this server is to just run mailman? I expect to have upwards of 60 lists on it with approximatly 300-500 posts a day among all lists. List sizes will range from 100 to 5000 members. There will be some announce only lists that have 20,000 members or so. The machine is a P4 2.4Ghz with 1GIG of ram. What I'm trying to pin down is whether or not having lists of this size and level of posting will choke up the server and necessitate upgrades. Is my machine overkill or do I have something to be concerned with? Any information from mailman users out there, including some stats on how many lists you may run on a particular machine and its success would be helpful. Brendan You'll be fine, especially since your running on a FreeBSD server (and I assume a SCSI disk subsystem). Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Exim errors eaten by Mailman
list-admin:|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin list, myemail On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 22:29, Adam Gintis wrote: I don't want to break the listname-admin address functionality, I just want a copy, next time I send a message to the list, of what it got from Exim and (presumably) tossed on the floor as an invalid command. Are you saying the best solution is just to temporarily redirect the -admin alias to me, figure out what's going on, and put it back? I'd like to always receive a copy of anything going to -admin. Thanks! At 10:18 PM 3/16/2004 -0500, you wrote: On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 16:09, Adam Gintis wrote: Hello, I've got a problem I'm not sure how to attack. After successful delivery of a message by Mailman, my Exim mainlog shows: Error message sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, because listname-admin is fed back into Mailman, I never get a chance to see what that Exim error was. I think its just a couple of the addresses on the list that failed, but I'd like to see the message. Any ideas? I'm using exim 3.35-1woody2 and mailman 2.0.11-1woody8 on Debian 3.0 r1 Woody. Thanks! Hmmm, how about changing the alias for listname-admin so that it goes directly to your email address. Good Luck - Jon Carnes --- Adam Gintis Vanderbilt University VU# 353920 Sta B 2301 Vanderbilt Place Nashville, TN 37235-3920 615-497-3922 (cell) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] list management via email
On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 05:02, Leigh Silvester wrote: Okay I have spent about 5 hours going through archives but not found anything that addresses my scenario. In a nutshell I wish to be able to manage the membership of a list via emails sent by a PHP script, emails to a list admin which would probably include admin password to authorise the action to automate administration. Background. The lists are to be closed ones that are distribution lists for various societies/organisations. Have previously done this with ColdFusion/Lyris, where the Coldfusion scripts send an email containing a password and subscribe listname [EMAIL PROTECTED] joe bloggs [quiet] to a lyris list admin address that automatically adds that address to the relevant list. Similarly a passworded message containing unsubscribe listname [EMAIL PROTECTED] [quiet] would remove that address. The intention is to update details on the list as users update their details on a database conatining information in addition to their email address. This means users have a single point of maintaining their details while the owners of these lists gain the advantage of suing the efficiecny of using a mail list for mass emailing, rather than doing PHP mail which can put a bit of a strain on the server when sending tens of thousands of emails. Is such a thing possible with Mailman? I have done a few experiments sending emails with subscribe to a small closed list I manage but it hits the posting by a non-member issue. Obviously I could send it with the listmanager email address but then it would try to subscribe the listmanager - which is already subscribed... Ideally I am hoping to be flamed with ... it's all here [link] in black and white if you bother to look for it. This will be on a hosted server to which I will not have shell access. Regards Leigh If you look *way* back in the archives you'll see a discussion from 3+ years back where I setup a client to be able to be able to do command line activities via special email addresses to a mailman list. Afterwards I coached someone else in a successful effort to do the same. The special addresses (like [EMAIL PROTECTED]) did a specified Admin task for a list. Each email had to start with a text line that included a special enabling password - something like: password: ubergeek That was followed by a list of email addresses to be removed from the list. The script sent back a confirmation email indicating which users had been removed and which were not (and the reason they were not - such as, email address not found on list. These small command-lets are very easy to write. Of course these days, I would simply hack the Python code and add the desired functionality. Mailman's code is fairly easy to follow and it's all cut and paste. You might look at it as a good way to learn Python! Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages not moving fro mail directory to qfiles directory
On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 10:12, David Miner wrote: I am running version 2.1.4 of Mailman. It was installed from the FreeBSD port. I am running FreeBSD 4.9 My MTA is sendmail. I have installed and configured Mailman 2.1.4. I have created a list and entered the information in /etc/aliases and run newaliases. My /var/log/maillog show incoming mail being passed to Mailman. The messages are passed through the system until they reach the /usr/local/mailman/mail directory, then they stop. bin/check_perms says no problems. Qrunners and mailmanactl are running and show up in ps -aux. I have followed all of the steps in FAQ 3.14 Troubleshooting: No mail going out to lists members. A search of the mailman archives (because of the way I thin about the problem) either resulted in nothing or too much to search through. I scanned the archives month by month back to December 2003 and found nothing. Suggestions? TIA, David David, have you created any lists successfully (and gotten notification of their creations)? Did you create the mailman list? So... you've successfully created the mailman list and a test list. You send to the test list and the MTA (Sendmail) runs the Mailman app associated with that alias - so the message is now waiting in one of your ~mailman/qfiles/.. directory's. cd ~mailman/qfiles/ ls * Can you tell us if there are files there, and which directories they are in? If there are no files in the qfiles directory, then either they are getting processed by the qrunners (so there should be MTA records of the outgoing mail) or they are not getting to the qfiles directory - so the mailman post app is not working for the list. Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] archives missing
On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 11:26, Eduardo Ferreira de Carvalho wrote: Hello list, Currently is using the last version of Mailman, but I do not know what it occurs that the archives of the list of the month of February/2004 do not appear. I used the command arch and appeared the month of March. Mine mailman is configured to appear to file monthly. It will be that I will have that to use this command all month or exists another skill to decide this problem? I wait and thanks Eduardo Ferreira de Carvalho WebMaster e Suporte Tcnico Departamento de Informtica - CEMIB http://www.cemib.unicamp.br Check the mbox file for the list and see if there are any mails from February to the list. The mbox file is located in: ~mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox If that file has some February mail (as shown by the Date: field in the mail headers of the mail stored in that huge file) then you might have a corrupted mbox file - or too large to be processed with your current system resources. Wishing you well - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Internal Server Error for Administrative Page
On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 10:01, Andy Malato wrote: Hi, I have a working mailman installation and everything has pretty much worked as it should. The other day I noticed that when trying to login to the administration page of one particular list I get an Internal Server Error. This is not the case with my other lists, all other lists work without a problem. I tried running check_db and list_members -i on this list, but those tests came up clean. Nice! Does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to what could be causing the admin page of this list not to work? Does the error have any detail in it? Do the Mailman logs reveal any details? Have you run check_perms on the install? Good luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and aliases
On Sat, 2004-03-13 at 12:07, David wrote: Dear gurus, I'm running Mailman 2.1.4 and Postfix 2.0.14 I don't use the Mailman-Postfix integration to auto generate aliases yet. The question is how I can do that with my configuration. The thing is that I pipe my list e-mail thru two different perl scripts before Mailman gets into the action. It looks like this in my Postfix aliases file: test: |/usr/local/mail2url/m2u324.pl|/usr/bin/2822htrim.pl [Test] |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test It works perfect, but I want my users to setup their own lists without shell access and I really want to add the perl scripts to new lists. The question is how to auto generate new aliases with my scripts? Blue Skies, /David David, This is actually a no-brainer: - Setup the integration to the point where Mailman generates the alises in the file ~mailman/data/aliases. Don't add this file to your Postfix aliases map. - Run a cronjob or daemon that monitors the ~mailman/data/aliases file for a change and then take that diff - isolate the new list name - Have your Mailman alias checking program pump the new list into your aliases file with all your alias mods. If you are into hacking Mailman (and you should be!) you can simply add an exec to the end of the Mailman process that updates the Mailman aliases file - and forget about setting that off via cron (or a small daemon). At that point you can also simply pass in the name of the new list as a parameter to the exec and bypass the Mailman aliases file altogether. Good luck and happy hacking! Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains and list namespace
On Sat, 2004-03-13 at 14:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone confirm that when using Mailman (2.1.4) in a multi domain environment, that two lists cannot have the same name? Even with the new virtual domain options, it doesn't appear you can have a per-domain namespace. You can't have two lists called [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please tell me I am wrong. Paul Correct. This is going to be a feature of Version 3.0 and is part of the driving force behind getting it out the door asap (so version 2.1.x is currently in maintenance mode). You can however, have a separate install of Mailman for each domain (all on one server). These can have same name lists for different domains - as each domain will be handled by a separate instance of Mailman. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Why it shows listname-bounces instead of listname-admin?
In Mailman 2.1.x, list email is sent out from Mailman with a special address listname-bounces. Any mail returned to listname-bounces comes from poorly designed Mail Servers or Mail Processors that do not follow the RFC's; they are bounces though. Mailman 2.0.x expected Mail Servers to follow the RFC's and wrote exception handlers for those that did not. The list of exception handlers for Microsoft alone was huge (something in the range of 30 different ways of bouncing a message). The new method allows Mailman to handle bounces whether a Mail Server is setup properly or not. I agree that having the mail sent form Something-bounces is not ideal. Feel free to suggest a name change for that alias. HtH - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 00:20, Faruk Ahmed wrote: Dear Jon, I am using Mailman version: 2.1.2. It works without no problem. But it shows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] when list member receives email. Shouldn't it show From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? I checked aliases - test: |/home/mailman/mail/mailman post test test-admin:|/home/mailman/mail/mailman admin test test-bounces: |/home/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test test-confirm: |/home/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test test-join: |/home/mailman/mail/mailman join test test-leave:|/home/mailman/mail/mailman leave test test-owner:|/home/mailman/mail/mailman owner test test-request: |/home/mailman/mail/mailman request test test-subscribe:|/home/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test test-unsubscribe: |/home/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test Any suggestion? Faruk Ahmed -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Hundreds of multiple e-mails/posts being sent
On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 07:09, Jay Honosutomo wrote: Hello, Please forgive me if I am overlooking a simple fix to this, but I have searched quite exhaustively for a solution to this problem. I have been using a mailman list for the last few months, as a one-way information mailing list. However, on more than 3 occasions I have experienced some individuals receiving the same post/mail up to 600 times! It doesn't appear to stop until I disable the list, and it doesn't happen to everyone - just a select handful of subscribers. If anyone has any ideas at all - I'd be grateful. Many thanks, Jay __ I've seen this a few times before. In most cases it was caused by a lack of resources: - Drive space too full - Not enough RAM in the server (or alloted to the virtual host) I've also seen it caused by certain email addresses with non-standard Ascii characters in earlier versions of Mailman. You need to look at your resources while the list is running and also make sure you are running the latest version of your Mailman branch (2.0.14 and 2.1.4). Best of luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Message discarded...why?
On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 09:28, David wrote: Hi again, The problem is nailed down, but not solved. Messages sent from mail.com and hotmail.com in HTML are auto discarded. If they send their e-mails as plain text they reach the list. I do have content filtering turned on with the following settings: Remove message attachments that don't match. multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain Convert html to plain text: YES I guess I have to add some content types to let hotmail and mail.com through Can someone please tell me what to add to solve this problem. Blue Skies, /David You can also have her cc you directly on her next list posting. That should let you check on her address as well as any header abnormalities that may accompany her email posts. I signed up for my own mail.com account. Subscribed and sent a message to the list. No problem at all with delivery. Her messages are still discarded to the list. Really strange You could try sending the same message to your account. Look at the header info and pull out MIME type to allow. If all else fails, change convert html to plain text to No. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] How i can change current directory in side the externalmethod
On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 09:32, Karunya Institute Team wrote: How i can change current directory in side the externalmethod What is the frequency, Kenneth? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
Did you stop and restart Apache? Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in httpd.conf? On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 00:50, Jim Chivas wrote: Greetings: I have search the archives and checked the faq but I still would like to get someones assistance for my instal on Sun SOlaris version 7. It should be a pretty simple solution but I can't see it. Near the end of the install I am asked to create the 'mailman' system list. I did this successfully. The email that was returned to me says I can now configure this new list by accessing: http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman In the following install layout I don't see any file or directory below the admin file in the cgi-bin area. When I do this or any other access I receive the famous: 'file not' found page in my browser. Did I miss something during the install? Thanks Jim My apache server configs are: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailmain/cgi-bin/ # Directory/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow fromall /Directory While my install layout is: # pwd /usr/local/mailman # ls -al cgi-bin total 796 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Mar 2 21:42 . drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 512 Mar 3 22:13 .. -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36456 Mar 2 21:42 admin -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 admindb -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 confirm -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 create -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 edithtml -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 listinfo -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 options -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 private -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 rmlist -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 roster -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 subscribe # -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] archive rotation
On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 02:20, Al Black wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm wondering if anyone has a script that manages archive rotation. I'm
thinking of something that can run from cron and keeps messages that have
been around less than an month (30 days, etc), and discarding the rest.
I remember from some early looks through the list archives on a different
topic that someone posted a perl script to the list, but after a couple
hours of looking I can't seem to turn it up.
Thanks in advance,
al
I use logrotate at my sites to rotate my logs monthly. It's simple to
setup and it's already running on most systems. I generally keep 4
months worth of back logs.
=== /etc/logrotate.d/mailman ===
/var/log/mailman/bounce /var/log/mailman/digest /var/log/mailman/error
/var/log/mailman/post /var/log/mailman/smtp
/var/log/mailman/smtp-failure /var/log/mailman/qrunner
/var/log/mailman/locks /var/log/mailman/fromusenet
/var/log/mailman/subscribe /var/log/mailman/vette {
missingok
sharedscripts
postrotate
/var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl reopen /dev/null 21 || true
endscript
}
===
Note: that's one huge wrapped line at the top containing all the mailman
log file names.
Note2: I believe that this is included in the Mailman source
distribution (maybe as a contrib).
Also of note, right after the logrotate I kick off my monthly reporting
scripts which email the list admins with their monthly usage stats.
Good Luck - Jon Carnes
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Nested lists
On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 04:43, Jason Williams wrote: I have a list whose members are made up entirely of other lists. I can't seem to make it so that I can post to this nested list, without then having to give permission for those messages to then go to the subscribed lists. I have tried making those lists one where anyone can mail to them, tried making the nested list the only on e who can mail to those lists, but to no avail. Can anyone help? Jason This used to be a Frequently Asked Question - and it is in the FAQ. You are probably overlooking a Spam setting for the nested lists. You need to specify the name of the root list as a valid alternate name for each of your nested lists. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] archive rotation
On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 10:55, Al Black wrote: I use logrotate at my sites to rotate my logs monthly. It's simple to setup and it's already running on most systems. I generally keep 4 months worth of back logs. Thanks, actually, I'm using savelogs, and keeping a couple of months worth of data. So far so good. In any case I'm curious about something. You use: mailmanctl reopen. In the script that I wrote, I stop mailman, run rotation scheme, and then start and reopen mailmanctl, because I was concerned about clobbering some ongoing process. Was this an unnecessary concern? al Your method should work fine. Stopping and starting Mailman shouldn't hurt anything. I just use reopen because it was specifically added to Mailmanctl to handle this situation: reopen - This will close all log files, causing them to be re-opened the next time a message is written to them Jon -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] archive rotation
On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 10:47, Al Black wrote: Hi Jon, all. I'm wondering if anyone has a script that manages archive rotation. I'm thinking of something that can run from cron and keeps messages that have been around less than an month (30 days, etc), and discarding the rest. I use logrotate at my sites to rotate my logs monthly. It's simple to setup and it's already running on most systems. I generally keep 4 months worth of back logs. Thanks. I guess I should have been more clear. What I'm wondering about is the archived messages in /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/* rather than the log files. I have the lists set up so that new archive volumes are set up on a monthly basis. So the directory for each list looks like: 2003-December (directory) 2003-December.txt 2003-December.txt.gz 2004-February (directory) 2004-February.txt 2004-February.txt.gz 2004-January (directory) 2004-January.txt 2004-January.txt.gz 2004-March (directory) 2004-March.txt 2004-March.txt.gz And inside each of those directories are a whack of html files, pages, and a symbolic link. Ideally, I'd like to keep 30 days of messages, so that users who go on vacation or set no mail for various reasons can go back and take a look at what they missed. Its different than the usual reasons for having an archive, but it makes sense for social kinds of mailing lists. Obviously, I'll have to do some configuration tweaks, switch to a yearly archive, and parse from there. But it wouldn't surprise me if someone had done something like this before. Thanks, al Doh! I really should drink my coffee before answering these. I've written some stuff that does this for Pipermail. It's not as easy as you think. The hardest part is editing the mbox file that is used for archive storing and for rebuilding the archives. You've got to pull the old mail out of the mbox, while keeping the current mail. If you can get that part done, then the rest follows nicely. You can use a trigger email that is sent to the archives monthly (mine's cleverly disguised as a monthly mailing list policy reminder). If you use that as your anchor within the mbox file, then cutting the file is fairly trivial. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 12:53, Jim Chivas wrote: On 10 Mar 2004, Jon Carnes wrote: Did you stop and restart Apache? yes. Does Apache give you any errors with regards to your added lines in httpd.conf? None. Is this the correct url ? http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman should be fine as long as your servers domain name is my-server-name :-) Does my install directory look correct? In my installs I don't use the Directory directive to define Apache's access for the local directories. I just have the ScriptAlias point there. Leave the ScriptAlias but comment out this stuff and then restart Apache Directory /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow fromall /Directory It may be that if you define the Directory that you must specify ExecCGI in the Options statement (and not None). Good Luck - Jon Carnes Thanks Jim On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 00:50, Jim Chivas wrote: Greetings: I have search the archives and checked the faq but I still would like to get someones assistance for my instal on Sun SOlaris version 7. It should be a pretty simple solution but I can't see it. Near the end of the install I am asked to create the 'mailman' system list. I did this successfully. The email that was returned to me says I can now configure this new list by accessing: http://my-server-name/mailman/admin/mailman In the following install layout I don't see any file or directory below the admin file in the cgi-bin area. When I do this or any other access I receive the famous: 'file not' found page in my browser. Did I miss something during the install? Thanks Jim My apache server configs are: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailmain/cgi-bin/ # Directory/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow fromall /Directory While my install layout is: # pwd /usr/local/mailman # ls -al cgi-bin total 796 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 512 Mar 2 21:42 . drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 512 Mar 3 22:13 .. -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36456 Mar 2 21:42 admin -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 admindb -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 confirm -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 create -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 edithtml -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 listinfo -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 options -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 private -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 rmlist -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36460 Mar 2 21:42 roster -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman36468 Mar 2 21:42 subscribe # -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- - Jim Chivas email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Information And Computing services fax:(604) 323-5349 Langara College Voice: (604) 323-5390 100 West 49th Avenue http://www.langara.bc.ca Vancouver, B.C., Canada V5Y 2Z6 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Message discarded...why?
You should be able to look in your MTA logs and see the message from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And tell what address she was actually using. Check to see if this address is subscribed to the list and if it is set to moderate. You can also have her cc you directly on her next list posting. That should let you check on her address as well as any header abnormalities that may accompany her email posts. Good luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 10:31, David wrote: Hello gurus, I have searched the archives and I didn't find an answer for a strange behavior at one of my Mailman lists. A member is subscribed to the digest version of my list. She gets all the mail to the list, but can't post. I can see in my logs that the message is delivered from Postfix to Mailman. She is also able to post a private message to me from her address Her messeges to the list are discarded. This is the latest entry in my vette log: Mar 08 14:15:46 2004 (837) Message discarded, msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The server is running Mailman 2.1.4 on a RedHat 7.3 box. The user is using a http://www.mail.com/ address. It's a pretty bad service, but I can't understand why Mailman discards her e-mails. There is no bounce messege back to her from my server. I'm stuck. Any clues? Blue Skies, /David -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] changing ISP servers
On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 10:33, Pastor Augie wrote: Hello, I have several mailman lists setup. Because of technical difficulties with our ISP's physical server, I am being required to migrate our entire website, including lists, to a new server (new IP and new name). My ISP contact tells me that when the mailman lists are moved to the new server they will need to be RECREATED FROM SCRATCH!! Is that the case? What is the most desirable way to migrate to a new server? Is there a simple export feature or some flat (or db) file I can export or something like that so I don't have to recreate the list by hand?? Thanks in advance for your help. Augie. Well, if they are using a straight version of Mailman then the answer is false. It's very easy to move lists to a new server. It may be that they are actually using Cpanel (or will be using Cpanel). This app does who-knows-what to Mailman. Actually we know a few things it does, thanks to the many, many complaints we receive on a regular basis from folks stuck using Cpanel. Even then, the movements of the lists can be relatively painless - if they allow you command line access to dump out your list configurations into text files. Good luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with newlist
At the command line type launch the Python interpretor: python # in the python interpretor: import os dir(os) Look in this lengthy list for fsync. Tell us what version of Python you are using, and you might want to cut/past the output of the dir(os) command. On my systems, help(os.fsync) returns: Help on built-in function fsync: fsync(...) fsync(fildes) - None force write of file with filedescriptor to disk. (END) Note: you have to import os before you can look at its built-in functions This is looking like a problem with the Python install. Jon Carnes On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 12:39, Steve Pirk wrote: Nope... Upgraded python from the 2.3.3 source, and I still get this when I add a list... bummer. Hit enter to notify mailman owner... Traceback (most recent call last): File bin/newlist, line 219, in ? main() File bin/newlist, line 212, in main msg.send(mlist) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py, line 233, in send self._enqueue(mlist, **_kws) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py, line 244, in _enqueue reduced_list_headers = 1, File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 133, in enqueue os.fsync(msgfp.fileno()) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'fsync' -- Steve On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Steve Pirk wrote: I am using Slackware 9.1 (fresh install) Here is the version on python: Python 2.3.1 (#1, Sep 24 2003, 16:45:45) Maybe I will do a fresh install of the latest version. Could be that the included one is fubar'd. It is the latest stable version of MM. I used to run an older version, but it was lost in the disk crash. :-) -- Steve On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Richard Barrett wrote: On 7 Mar 2004, at 10:16, Steve Pirk wrote: After a supposedly clean install of the latest mailman, I get this error when adding a list (even the initial mailman list): Traceback (most recent call last): File bin/newlist, line 219, in ? main() File bin/newlist, line 212, in main msg.send(mlist) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py, line 233, in send self._enqueue(mlist, **_kws) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py, line 244, in _enqueue reduced_list_headers = 1, File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 133, in enqueue os.fsync(msgfp.fileno()) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'fsync' This looks as though something is wrong with your python installation as you are being told that the function fsync in the standard os module cannot be found. What OS are you running and which version of OS, Python and Mailman? Have you ckecked compatibility in the MM installation and upgrading files. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Will a user named YOURMAILLIST be added after a mail list named YOURMAILLIST was created?
On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 03:23, wrote: Hi guys, I am using mailman2.1.4. I installed sendmail and mailman on one machine. I got a problem that after I post message to my maillist I got a message which told me there was not a user named mymaillist on my Mailman machine. Will a user named YOURMAILLIST be added after a mail list named YOURMAILLIST was created? gstide It depends on where you add the list from. If you do it from the commandline you can specify to the newlist command that it add it to the aliases file (you will still need to run newalises for sendmail to see the new aliases). If you add it from the Web-admin, you will need to add the aliases yourself (unless you have Postfix and the Postfix integration turned on) - or have written a small script to add it to your Sendmail aliases file automagically. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
RE: [Mailman-Users] error: user unknown
On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 03:23, wrote: Hi, My description maybe not very clear. The problem I met is that I can not post message to my mail list. I sent a mail to my list via the email server B, then I got a error message, there was not such a user from B. At the same time, Mailman can send me message, such as welcome join this mail list, you created a mail list successfully etc. I installed Sendmail 8.12.10 and Mailman 2.1.4 on the same machine. So the problem is the Mailman can send mails but it can't receive mail. Check out FAQ 3.14. This sounds like a classic case of the aliases not being added. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] problems with the mail hostname
On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 10:20, Guillaume Rousse wrote: I'm having troubles with the name used by mailman for sending mails: it keeps using the real hostname, whereas it is configured for using an alias. I have this setting in mm_cfg.py: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.zarb.org' DEFAULT_URL_HOST= 'lists.zarb.org' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) All list configuration says also host_name is lists.zarb.org, all URLs are OK, but it keep sending mails as @katu3.zarb.org, instead of @lists.zarb.org. What is wrong there ? This is also in the FAQ, you may have created the list before completing your setup... in fact, you may have completed your setup as a result of troubleshooting the first couple of lists that you created. Once a list is created it is standalone and incorporates most of the current defaults as individual values within the list's configuration files. Unfortunately Barry has hidden this particular attribute and no longer displays it in the WebAdmin. You will have to manually modify those defaults by using the commandline Mailman tool withlist. You will find examples for howto use Withlist inside the application, you will also find examples in the FAQ. Barry: could we make this a *Displayed* value for a list - even if you do not want to make it a editable value in the 2.1.x series. Perhaps we could make the Web-admin list creation have two boxes to define a lists address: - a box for the list_name - a drop down box that makes folks choose their virtual domain. Or if only one domain is available, then just show the current domain it will use. Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] please run connect () first ??
First (and most important) read the README.POSTFIX on your system and
follow the advice there on integrating Postfix with Mailman.
If that does not solve it then look at your Delivery Defaults used in
~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (and Defaults.py)
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
MTA = 'Manual'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = []
POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postalias'
POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/sbin/postmap'
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
SMTPPORT = 0 # default from smtplib
SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail'
Make sure that Postfix is listening on Localhost port 25. Make sure that
Localhost is defined in your /etc/hosts file
Read FAQ 3.14
Good Luck - Jon Carnes
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On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 11:10, Darryl Harvey wrote:
I have installed mailman on RedHat 9, mailman version is 2.1.1, and postfix
version 2.0.10 using mysql lookups...
When I try to send an email to a group (of about 75 or more people (yet to
find size limit)), The email appears in the archive, but never gets
delivered to any of the list members.
in the /var/log/mailman/error log I see;
Mar 05 18:55:42 2004 (5019) SHUNTING:
1078473034.484252+9be7f8767534969c4728ee34ca181cc8b178782e
Mar 05 18:58:42 2004 (5019) Uncaught runner exception: please run connect()
first
Mar 05 18:58:42 2004 (5019) Traceback (most recent call last):
File /var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 105, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
File /var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 155, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
File /var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/OutgoingRunner.py, line 61, in _dispose
self._func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
File /var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py, line 150, in process
conn.quit()
File /var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py, line 80, in quit
self.__conn.quit()
File /usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py, line 702, in quit
self.docmd(quit)
File /usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py, line 357, in docmd
self.putcmd(cmd,args)
File /usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py, line 313, in putcmd
self.send(str)
File /usr/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py, line 305, in send
raise SMTPServerDisconnected('please run connect() first')
SMTPServerDisconnected: please run connect() first
Any ideas?
Thanks
Darryl
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest stopped sending daily
On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 13:27, Eric W. wrote: I run a mailing list using mailman that has stopped sending the digest on a daily basis, even though the selection for sending a daily digest is set properly. The mailman software is installed by my hosting service, and they're somewhat puzzled as to what happened. The digest stopped on 2/6. It still sends when it reaches the size limit, or I can send it manually, but no daily digest. Any suggestions as to what I can do from the admin panel, or that I can send to the techs at my hosting service? Thanks! __ Crond has stopped on the server. This is actually a common problem at hosting services and is an indication of the level of competency of their systems administration (and attention to detail). Jon Carnes Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] PLEASE, help...
Have the client delete all his cookies (or just the cookies for the host running Mailman. Then restart the browser and see if the problem goes away. This was an old problem that was supposedly fixed in 2.1.4 - so it does seem that you might not be running the latest Mailman. Of course it could be a problem with the way that the Mailman 2.1.4 was installed on the system. did you install it from source (and were all the python packages you listed already loaded when you did the install - in other words you didn't upgrade or install any of the python packages after the Mailman install)? HtH - Jon Carnes On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 16:11, ricardo wrote: Hi, I've sent this message a couple of times, and have replied to it, but I can't get to the bottom of the issue. The only reply I've gotten is one saying that I probably am not using the latest version of MM, but that is not the case. I am using MM 2.1.4, I have a client using MM which cannot access the private list archive. Attempting to login to the archive results in an error. Here's the error: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main main() File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py, line 120, in main password, username): File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py, line 226, in WebAuthenticate print self.MakeCookie(ac, user) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py, line 233, in MakeCookie raise ValueError ValueError Information for my setup: My set of python RPMs (in a SUSE system) are: python-mysql-0.9.2-52 python-devel-2.3-49 mod_python-2.7.8-427 python-2.3-49 python-curses-2.3-49 python-tk-2.3-49 The python files reported in the traceback: # ls -l /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver -rw-r--r--1 root mailman 9162 Jan 8 16:44 /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver # ls -l /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py -rw-r--r--1 root mailman 5500 Jan 8 16:44 /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py # ls -l /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py -rw-r--r--1 root mailman 15023 Jan 8 16:44 /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py I have not altered any of these files. Can someone please help me out? My client is complaining and I can't seem to get this problem resolved. Ricardo -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Can we get rid of these nuisance bounces for posters
One to two folks are bogusly attempting to feed the list traffic ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) into their own local site lists. These generate multiple bounces for every post to the list. As a result, I get a ton of bounces with every post: Bounce from ops.org... Received: from ns3.ops.org (h2.63.170.216.ip.alltel.net [216.170.63.2]) by ncmx02.mgw.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i26LV1RW025433 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ops.org (mail.ops.org [192.168.1.31] (may be forged)) by ns3.ops.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i26LB89D012660 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:11:08 -0600 Bounce from darksleep.org... Received: from darksleep.com ([66.45.34.102]) by ncmx01.mgw.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i26LW7Up024578 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from darksleep.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darksleep.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823C63C934 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:30:39 -0500 (EST) === Can we verp for a bit and nuke these guys (please!) Jon Carnes 919.779.4865 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Creating lists based on a template
On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 11:03, Bowen, Robert wrote: I have searched the list archives for an answer, but haven't had much luck finding anything. I have multiple lists - one for each grade in our elementary schools, one for each grade in our high schools and some other lists that have for the most part the same attributes (Moderation on, don't send password monthly, etc.) Is there a way to setup one list and copy the attributes to my other lists? We don't have too many that I can't login to each one via the web and make the settings, I just think I could save a lot of time doing it the other way. Thanks, Robert Bowen Baldwin UFSD In the past I've found the config_list command helpful here. You can also modify most of the default settings used for list creation. You'll find them in ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py. To change them, copy the settings over to mm_cfg.py and then modify them in there. As an example, I *always* modify: DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 30 and set it to at least 100 HtH - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
The aliases from Mailman point to an application. So all mail going to a list is handed to Mailman's posting application and the application will either hold the post or pass it out to the list (depending on the rules you have setup for the list). HtH - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 03:19, Key Dof wrote: Ok, but using the alias file, how will it stop the delivery to a list from an unsubscribed user? On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 17:53, Jon Carnes wrote: On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 09:12, Key Dof wrote: Thanks a lot for you reply, in fact my question wasn't about the possibility of being installed (as servers) but it's about the fact of interacting, ie: when an email arrives to the server, if it knows where to deliver it (a user or mailman). If you confirm that it can be done, i will install it and go reading the docs, but if it is impossible because it's either a user delivery or a mailing list delivery, than i will have to start installing another machine. Thanks again Mailman uses the aliases file. Each mailing list adds several aliases to the aliases file. The only real user you need to add to the machine is one that is specifically setup to run the applications. The name of that user is normally mailman. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 02:56, Key Dof wrote: Hi, I am newbie in mailing lists, i want to know if it's possible to make mailman run on the same main mail server, or it must be on a separate machine, and if it's possible, how can it be configured. Thanks If your main mail server is unix-ish then Mailman will run fine there. You'll also need a web-server running on the server (for administration and maintenance of your lists). For further help on installation see the docs at: http://www.list.org/docs.html And for special concerns, see the Frequently Asked Questions at: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 09:12, Key Dof wrote: Thanks a lot for you reply, in fact my question wasn't about the possibility of being installed (as servers) but it's about the fact of interacting, ie: when an email arrives to the server, if it knows where to deliver it (a user or mailman). If you confirm that it can be done, i will install it and go reading the docs, but if it is impossible because it's either a user delivery or a mailing list delivery, than i will have to start installing another machine. Thanks again Mailman uses the aliases file. Each mailing list adds several aliases to the aliases file. The only real user you need to add to the machine is one that is specifically setup to run the applications. The name of that user is normally mailman. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] installation problem
On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 17:47, Jeetendra Mirchandani wrote: i get a 404 error my httpd.conf - ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ Directory /home/mailman/cgi-bin Options ExecCGI Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory please help Regards, Jeetu --- The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ See the FAQ. You really need to provide much more information - at least the version of mailman you are running and how it was installed, and what OS you are running. Without those basics, most folks will simply write you off as un-helpable. If you also include the basic troubleshooting steps that you have already gone through, then folks will actually think you are helpable and will try to give you clues. Where did you install Mailman? Is it installed in /home/mailman and does /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ in fact exist? Good Luck with your Second posting for help Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Please help me RTFM
On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 19:00, Charles Gregory wrote: Hallo! I'm trying to setup and run the standard mailman included with Red Hat Linux 9. This is an 'RPM' install, so I don't have the source code files to read the 'README's. Supposedly, Mailman has an easy to use web based interface/control panel? I would appreciate it if someone could help provide a link to a simple 'howto' for setting up the initial web interface on RH9/Postfix. Presumably once I've got *that* running, the site-admin pages should be fairly straight-forward. Please reply directly, I am not on any mailing list for mailman (yet). Thanks. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Charles Gregory Hamilton CommunityNet Member Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] Connecting the Community! www.hwcn.org http://www.list.org/docs.html Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to STOP Mailman Sendmail
On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 22:56, Brian Haines wrote: I have a recurring problem. I have an announce only list of 50K + subscribers. I have never been able to STOP the list. It takes all day to run and I sometimes need to stop it so that I can run another message, or if I just made a mistake. I stop Sendmail, Stop the Mailman service, and kill any remaining processes for either. I clean out the qfiles and locks directories. When I start sendmail and wait for a while Sendmail is there quietly accepting connections without restarting the list messages, but as soon as I start up Mailman again (service mailman start), without sending any more messages to any list, the sendmail connections start to multiply with activity from the previously killed session. How do I stop it? The FAQ does not cover it. There is no README with anything of this nature. I have searched the archives of this list - null, and I have asked here along with other questions and received no comment. I am running: Redhat Linux 2.1AS Python 2.3.3 Mailman 2.1.4 Thanks for any help. Brian When I first read your question it made no sense to me, but now I think I know what your looking for... You want the mailman queued files to run at a lesser priority than your other site mail. In that way, your regular site mail would flow out ahead of your announce only list traffic. This is really a problem for Sendmail (and is doable, but not easy). Mailman simply injects the mail into the local mail queue and after that it has no control over how Sendmail handles it. One scenario that would work is to have Mailman add a bulk header to the messages it injects into the queue and then mod Sendmail to only deliver bulk queued messages if no other queued up mail is waiting to be processed. Another scenario is to have Mailman drop it's outbound messages into another queue and then have that queue slowly feed into your outbound mail queue. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Forwards Created by Mailman in Cpanel
On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 23:04, Lloyd F. Tennison wrote: What/why are there forwards created from owner - listname @ domain to admin - listname @ domain? I have both tried with and without creating those email accounts and still receive net to no mail to the admin account as specified in the general setups option. Cannot find bounce (or any other except the one or two the system sends as bounce questions) messages. Thanks. Lloyd F. Tennison [EMAIL PROTECTED] No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message. However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced. Take a look at FAQ 3.14 and see if that helps. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] bugs
touch /var/lib/mailman/logs/error When you rotate the logs in Mailman, be sure to recreate the files that you rotated. Jon Carnes === On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 05:10, Modric Kristijan wrote: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.4 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File /var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver, line 69, in run_main immediate=1) File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py, line 52, in __init__ Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate) File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py, line 49, in __init__ self.__get_f() File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py, line 67, in __get_f 1) File /usr/lib/python2.3/codecs.py, line 566, in open file = __builtin__.open(filename, mode, buffering) IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error' Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.3.3 (#2, Feb 24 2004, 09:29:20) [GCC 3.3.3 (Debian)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value REDIRECT_UNIQUE_ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] REDIRECT_STATUS 200 SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.29 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.4 mod_ssl/2.8.16 OpenSSL/0.9.7c SCRIPT_NAME /cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.29 Server at list.pliva.hr Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD GET REDIRECT_URL / SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive SERVER_NAME list.pliva.hr REMOTE_ADDR 10.1.0.98 SERVER_PORT 80 SERVER_ADDR 10.254.1.1 DOCUMENT_ROOT /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman PYTHONPATH /var/lib/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo SERVER_ADMIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTTP_HOST list.pliva.hr REQUEST_URI / HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash, */* GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 REMOTE_PORT 1086 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE hr HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate UNIQUE_ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Sub Domains and Domains
On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 13:29, Brendan B. Chard wrote: I am attempting to run mailman on a FreeBSD machine with multiple virtual hosts. Everything is working great except that the list address I want is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it works great, I can send to it and it works just fine. The problem is that when the list sends out a post to members it drops the subdomain from it's address and says, reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I have an address record created for my lists.chard.net and a proper virtual host for it. - The primary domain is also hosted, as a virtual host on the same machine - I have set the host name this list prefers to lists.chard.net - lists.chard.net is set up as my default url host and e-mail host in the Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py files - I have added these entries to my mm_cfg.py file: DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.chard.net' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.chard.net' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) Like I said, everything about the list is working great except that when a post or administrative message is sent out by mailman it says to reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any advice would be great! -Brendan Chard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brendan, it is common that folks create the list before they properly set up the virtual hosts. Unfortunately, you may need to use the withlist command to correct this within the lists database. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] languages
On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 11:08, KIT linsen wrote: what all are the languages supported by mailman? cd ~mailman/templates; ls big5 cs en et fi gb hu ja lt no pt ro sl sv cade es eu fr hr it ko nl pl pt_BR ru sr uk For the official scoop, visit: http://www.list.org/i18n.html HtH - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam, Etc.
On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 13:57, Robert Miller wrote: Hi, I'm a list manager in the United States Power Squadrons. I manage two of our e-mail lists through usps.org where Mailman is the system. Both my lists are suffering from multiple (3 to 6) attempts daily to send to the list from non list members which we do not allow. The problem is that I am continuously faced with clearing these messages. What is really needed is a way to set a switch to automatically reject messages from non-list members rather than have to intervene in every case. Is there any way this can be accommodated? Thanks. Bob Miller Yes. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Jon Carnes PS - Next time include at least the version of Mailman you are using. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL BS
On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 14:04, Dave Beightol wrote: Hello, We are using your mailing list system via Plesk server software on our site. When a normal email address is submitted, the system works perfect. When an AOL address is submitted it does not send the confirmation email or make any attempt to add the address to the list. Is this a mailing list issue or an AOL filter or something like that? How can we fix this? Here is the link to the sign up page on our site in case you need to see it. http://www.wiltshirepantry.com/weekly_meal_service.html Thanks, Dave Beightol __ Have you tried adding an AOL user via the command line interface? It may simply be that AOL is bouncing your confirmation mail - so the users never see it. Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: mm_stats question
I just double checked and it works fine on all my sites...
Do you have any lists with = in the name?
If that is the case, then you would need to modify the first line and
add in an additional cut:
SIZ=`grep -i post to $i $POST |grep success |cut -f2- -d, | \
cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1 -d,`
k=0; for j in $SIZ; do k=$(( j + k )); done
echo Total bytes = $k $TMPFILE
This additional cut will remove the listname from the line before using
the = to isolate the size of the message
If that doesn't do it for you, then drop a copy of your post log and the
name of the list with the problems and I'll see what needs to be
modified.
Hope this is helpful - Jon Carnes
On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 10:24, Al Black wrote:
Hi Jon,
I trying out the mm_stats script you wrote (see
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg15378.html) and
have a couple of little bugs you might be able to help me with. I'm using
version 2.1.4 of mailman.
I get two errors running the script from command line.
The first is:
===: not found
I'm pretty sure this happens when the script hits a list we have that has
no traffic.
The second one is the one I'm more concerned with:
/usr/home/lamps/test/mm_stats: arith: syntax error: j + k
What seems to be happening is that the lines:
# SIZ=`grep -i post to $i $POST |grep success |cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1 -d,`
# k=0; for j in $SIZ; do k=$(( j + k )); done
isn't cutting the size=field properly.
Any suggestions for a fix? Otherwise the script is running great, and it
will make my list members happy. (In fact maybe it, or a bunch of
variations on it, could be included in the mailman 3 suite.)
Thanks in advance,
al
# Mailman's log file to be examined for stats
POST=/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/logs/post
# create temp file to collect stats
TMPFILE=`mktemp /tmp/mm_stats.XX` || exit 1
LIST=`/usr/home/lamps/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_lists |awk '{print $1}'
|sed -n '2,$p'`
for i in $LIST
do
echo Stats from local Mailman list: $i $TMPFILE
echo $TMPFILE
echo -nStarting:$TMPFILE
head -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 -d $TMPFILE
echo -nEnding: $TMPFILE
tail -1 $POST |cut -f1-3 -d $TMPFILE
echo === $TMPFILE
echo -n Total posts to the list: $TMPFILE
grep -i post to $i $POST |wc -l $TMPFILE
echo -n Total SUCCESSFUL posts to the list: $TMPFILE
grep -i post to $i $POST |grep success |wc -l $TMPFILE
# SIZ=`grep -i post to $i $POST |grep success |cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1 -d,`
# k=0; for j in $SIZ; do k=$(( j + k )); done
echo Total bytes = $k $TMPFILE
echo $TMPFILE
echo Top 10 posters to the list: $TMPFILE
grep -i post to $i $POST |cut -f 10 -d |sort |uniq -c \
|sort -bgr |head -10 $TMPFILE
echo$TMPFILE
# Mail the collected stats off to the list admin and cc the mailman user
# mail -s Mailman Stats for List: $i -c mailman $i-admin $TMPFILE
# mail the collected Stats for lists to the server admin
mail -s Mailman Stats for List: $i server-admin $TMPFILE
done
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[Mailman-Users] Re: mm_stats question
On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 15:25, Al Black wrote: Hey John, At 01:08 PM 2/27/2004 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: I just double checked and it works fine on all my sites... Do you have any lists with = in the name? If that doesn't do it for you, then drop a copy of your post log and the name of the list with the problems and I'll see what needs to be modified. Nope didn't do the trick. None of the lists have an = in them but all but two have - lls test lls-business lls-ts lls-12step-men lls-12step-women I've attached the post logs, although there's not much in it because I rotated them a while ago. If its better I can un pack one, and send it along. The bug still happens though, even with the limited set. Thanks. al Sorry, Al Your sample worked just fine - no errors. I checked it against all your list names. Check your script for typos. You can also run each part of the script and see what results you get: grep -i post to lls post # this will show you all the attempted posts to list lls grep -i post to lls post |grep success # this will show you all successful posts to the list lls grep -i post to lls post |grep success |cut -f2 -d= # this will remove all info on the left side of the message size # the output will like like this: 1549, message-id 1388, message-id 2461, message-id 3733, message-id 1949, message-id 2310, message-id 3337, message-id 1622, message-id 1370, message-id grep -i post to lls post |grep success |cut -f2 -d= |cut -f1 -d, # this drops the info to the right of the message size # the message size is now isolated on each line: 1549 1388 2461 3733 1949 2310 3337 1622 1370 It worked just fine here. Good luck again Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman does not send E-mails
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 09:36, Thorsten Brabetz wrote: Hello List, Ok, new to the list, and probably not a good start, since it turns out that I am too stupid to search the list archives. If I go to the page http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users and click on searchable archives, I get a time-out error... So, I am probably asking a question that has been asked probably at least a hundred times in the past, and my apologies in advance, but I still need an answer somehow: I tried to install mailman, and for all I can tell successfully since I did not get any error messages at any stage, but it still does not work. Unfortunately, there are only very few hints as to what the problem might be. The best one is probably in mailman/logs/errors, where everytime I execute ./mailmanctl restart it says: Feb 26 14:00:39 2004 (24372) Warning: unable to setgroups([101, 101]) Assuming it refers to the $prefix directory, I can't however see why: redwolf:/usr/local# ll | grep mailman drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 1024 Feb 25 14:44 mailman Running mailman/bin/check_perms shows no problems either: redwolf:/usr/local/mailman# bin/check_perms No problems found Other log entries that seem to refer to the problem are in mailman/logs/smtp-failure: Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) Low level smtp error: host not found, msgid: None Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) delivery to mailman-owner (at) redwolf.org.uk failed with code -1: host not found Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) Low level smtp error: host not found, msgid: mailman.0.1077753904.16057.test7 (at) redwolf.org.uk Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) delivery to webmaster (at) brabetz.de failed with code -1: host not found Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) Low level smtp error: host not found, msgid: mailman.0.1077755635.15842.mailman (at) redwolf.org.uk Feb 26 14:15:45 2004 (24376) delivery to webmaster (at) brabetz.de failed with code -1: host not found (there are literally thousands of these entries, they are referring to test messages that I have sent to test lists) However, if I su mailman, I can mail no problems to any E-mail account locally or remote, including those that the error messages refer to, e.g. webmaster (at) brabetz.de, and I have tried quite a few. MTA is exim (in the log entry above, I have replaced the @ with (at) to make it at least a tiny bit harder for spammers to harvest my E-mail address). Install is on a Debian system, but I did not use apt-get, but instead downloaded the source code and used ./configure ; make install. Mailman user is mailman, mailman group is mailman. mailman is a member of group mailman, and only the group mailman. I have been through all FAQs and README files I could find for two days now, without finding even as much as a hint to what the problem might be, and have reached that stage where I would really appreciate *any* hint as to where to start looking for it. Thank you in advance for any prospective advice! Best wishes Thorsten Sounds like you've done a great job of troubleshooting so far, so I'm sure you've looked here (or soon will): Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ FAQ 3.14 covers a lot of ground in getting folks up and running, but it sounds like you've got a few problems that may not be covered in there. What in particular are your settings in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or Defaults.py) for the Delivery Defaults: DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' MTA = 'Manual' SMTPHOST = 'localhost' SMTPPORT = 0 # default from smtplib SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail' You might need to specify SMTPPORT = 25 or play with the SENDMAIL_CMD setting. Also, is the mailman group number 101 on your system? If so, you may have problems with using SetGID on this system. I'm not a regular Debian or Exim user so I can't give you any specifics, but I would look at those two areas, based on the errors you are getting. Hope that is helpful - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Matter
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 11:53, Mike Phillips wrote: If I send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the message body, nothing happens. No bounce, so subcribe, no nothing. If I send the same message with subscribe in the subject line, all is well. Is there a way to cause a bounce when a -request message is not in proper form? Mike Phillips The email parser only handles requests in plain Text messages - not html or mime encoded messages. The subject is always in text so it's your best bet. Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Matter
It was a valid address and it executed all the valid commands that it found. What sort of bounce are you looking for? You want it to respond to someone who sends in an invalid request? Feel free to mod the code, but as a standard, I like it working the way it does. Jon On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 14:14, Mike Phillips wrote: But why no bounce? Mike - Original Message - From: Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mike Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: mailman-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Matter On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 11:53, Mike Phillips wrote: If I send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the message body, nothing happens. No bounce, so subcribe, no nothing. If I send the same message with subscribe in the subject line, all is well. Is there a way to cause a bounce when a -request message is not in proper form? Mike Phillips The email parser only handles requests in plain Text messages - not html or mime encoded messages. The subject is always in text so it's your best bet. Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Two quick questions.
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 12:10, Lawrence Lam wrote: My first post here. I tried to search the archives but it seems that the website is retarded. (1) How do I delete MailMan archives (using SSH)? The archives are stored in ~mailman/archives/private/listname/.. You can delete them or modify the mbox (delete individual emails in) the file: ~mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox Then run the mailman command: arch (2) What is this for under Membership Management. Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not currently visible - Yes/No In 2.1.x and up, moderation is done on individuals rather than on whole lists. If you put yes here then all members of the list will have their emails moderated - meaning that if they send to the list, it will be held and can only be released by an admin for the list. - This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. I love MailScanner! -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Matter
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 16:31, Mike Phillips wrote: My biggest frustration is that I do not have access to the code. It's on a shared server. My thought was, if someone sends an email to subscribe, and if the email is not correctly formatted, they do not know they are not subscribed for a while, waiting for the server to respond. Thanks, Mike Understood. You should try to persuade them to use the List-Info web-admin interface for your lists. This works very well and is almost immediate. Good luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman does not send E-mails
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 11:28, Thorsten Brabetz wrote: Hello Jon, Thank you for your reply! On Thursday 26 February 2004 15:42, you wrote: What in particular are your settings in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or Defaults.py) for the Delivery Defaults: DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' MTA = 'Manual' SMTPHOST = 'localhost' SMTPPORT = 0 # default from smtplib SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail' I finally found it, and while the problem was not in the above section of Defaults.py, your mail made me read that file one more time top to bottom, and it finally dawned on me what the problem was: SMTPHOST was set to 'localhost', but localhost was not defined in /etc/hosts (don't ask me why, I did not setup this system, I am just responsible for it now; I have to admit that the idea that it might not be defined never even crossed my mind prior to your mail...); hence, the smtp error. Have now added 127.0.0.1 localhost entry to /etc/hosts, now Mailman seems to be working perfectly! Thanks again! Best wishes Thorsten Glad to be of help. I'll make sure that item is covered FAQ 3.14. Take care - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL users not getting daily nomail notifications...
On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 09:50, Pug Bainter wrote: Good Morning, This one apparently has many of us confused and I haven't seen a real solution in the archives. - My AOL list owners get removed from their own lists. - My AOL list members who go to nomail get removed from the list and never get the daily notifications. - In both cases above, the AOL user gets the notification they were removed, but not the other warnings. The notification are sent as one-shot emails directly to the email address. Since that is getting through, you might want to turn on Personalization (also known as VERP). See if that works in getting the messages to all your mailing list users. Personalization puts the email directly to the individual, it means that your mail server does a lot more work, since it sends our individual emails to each user. I know that I had about a 24 hour period that AOL had the site black listed, although they couldn't tell me why, and I called the 1-800 number and gave them the contact info necessary to get white listed again. Good Luck with that. This has happened to a lot of folks, and they keep getting black listed anyway (and these are folks that I *know* are not spammers). They are getting marked based just on the volume of mail from the site. I've tried crafting some email messages by hand to AOL and have not figured out what the exact content of the message is that is tweaking their block filters. I'm gonna try sending email to the AOL postmaster team with additional information so they can help me diagnose this, but I don't expect quick response since I have yet to get a site report out of their automated system on their website about the status of my servers. AOL will *not* talk about their rule set for blocking spammers + they are constantly tinkering with it, so it's a moving target anyway. Your best bet is simply to keep on complaining. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Follow-up
On Tue, 2004-02-17 at 07:34, Mike Phillips wrote: I do not have access to the MailMan logs on my shared server. Is there a way -- within MailMan -- to tell when messages are bouncing? Can I reduce the bounce scoring (whatever that is) so that bad subscriptions become obvious sooner rather than later? Mike Not without some mods to Mailman or some external scripts running. Your shared provider should either allow you to look at the logs or write a script to push your log data out to a directory where you can play with the numbers. A simple grep command would probably do the job of getting the data you need. Dropping the bounce number is not a terribly good idea unless all your list folk have nice corporate email accounts with no limitations (so no bouncing due to DNS going up and down, or mail box being temporarily full) Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] cpu usage
So ArchRunner is the one... not too surprising. And the other Qrunners
are all behaving themselves?
# ps aux |grep python
/usr/bin/python ./mailmanctl start
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s
/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s
You should upgrade to the latest version of Mailman, it does fix some
problems with the ArchRunner.
If you can't upgrade just yet, you could comment out the archrunner from
running. Copy the following from your ~mailman/Mailman/Default.py file:
QRUNNERS = [
('ArchRunner', 1), # messages for the archiver
('BounceRunner', 1), # for processing the qfile/bounces directory
('CommandRunner', 1), # commands and bounces from the outside world
('IncomingRunner', 1), # posts from the outside world
('NewsRunner', 1), # outgoing messages to the nntpd
('OutgoingRunner', 1), # outgoing messages to the smtpd
('VirginRunner', 1), # internally crafted (virgin birth) messages
('RetryRunner',1), # retry temporarily failed deliveries
]
And paste it into your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_py.cfg file, then delete the
line with ArchRunner:
('ArchRunner', 1), # messages for the archiver
Now when you run mailmanctl start the ArchRunner won't be started by
default. If you have lists that need archiving, then you can run the
ArchRunner separately via a cron job out of the cron table for user
mailman.
#Start-up Mailman's ArchRunner archiving process at 8pm...
0 20 * * * /usr/bin/python /var/mailman/bin/qrunner
--runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
#Stop Mailman's ArchRunner archving process at 6am...
0 6 * * * ps aux |grep ArchRunner |grep -v grep |cut -c9-15 |xargs kill
===
I'm curious if your lists are actually being archived? Are the messages
making it into the archives?
Jon Carnes
On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 23:44, Adam Kessel wrote:
Thanks for the reply:
On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 08:34:07PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
Each of the qrunners is launched with its specific job:
The qrunner which is using 98% of CPU is ArchRunner.
What is your Qrunner_Sleep_Time set to in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or
Defaults.py)? The default of 1 normally works well.
QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1)
Sleep time is set to default--seconds(1).
Are you getting any errors in any of your log files when Mailman is
crunching on the mails? Once the mails are crunched and processed, do
the qrunner processes stay high, or drop down again?
No errors or warnings that I can see. It looks like CPU use is pretty
consistently in the 60%-100% range no matter what is going on. And none
of the lists I'm serving get that much traffic--I haven't done an exact
analysis, but I don't think we're talking about more than a few emails
per hour. Most of the lists are a few dozen people, just a couple are a
few hundred.
If I can get enough data points on this problem I'll try to write up an
FAQ to cover it and the various places to explore.
Let me know what else I can try to track down the problem.
Jon Carnes
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Re: [Mailman-Users] help - urgent
On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 00:54, Andrew Barter wrote: A lot of the mail that the mailman sends out is getting rejected, because the sending email address has a domain which is unknown. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sender address rejected: Domain not found) Above the xxx is our IP address. Any ideas on how to change the sending address so that it used a proper domain? Any info would be great. Thankyou. Andrew. This is in the FAQ (and of course the archives). You need to properly setup your virtual hosts in the mm_cfg.py file and then use the withlist application to change you lists server information. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] cpu usage
There are a lot of items that can cause this. - Using top look at the qrunners process ID's and see which ones are eating the most cpu time. - Now use ps aux on a *wide* terminal so you can see which qrunner is associated with the high cpu process ID Each of the qrunners is launched with its specific job: qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s What is your Qrunner_Sleep_Time set to in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (or Defaults.py)? The default of 1 normally works well. QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1) Are you getting any errors in any of your log files when Mailman is crunching on the mails? Once the mails are crunched and processed, do the qrunner processes stay high, or drop down again? If I can get enough data points on this problem I'll try to write up an FAQ to cover it and the various places to explore. Jon Carnes On Sat, 2004-02-14 at 13:22, Adam Kessel wrote: I have scoured the archives and google for answer to my problem but none of the fixes I have found seem to work. I have mailman 2-1.1-91 installed w/ postfix 1.1.12-12 on a Suse 8.2 box and qrunner/python is eating the cpu. Most of the posts I read describe this as a postfix problem and to change my local delivery code to 550 which I did but it hasn't helped. The system runs fine for a while but after a few hours qrunner/python cpu usage goes through the roof. In most cases this is with less than five emails in the queue. I've got a similar situation here. I'm running Debian sid: mailman 2.1.4-1 and postfix 1.1.11-0.woody3. qrunner CPU usage seems to go between 50-90%, and I'm not running any large lists (either in subscribers or frequency of postings). The machine should have sufficient resources: 200M RAM and a PII 450MHz CPU. Any ideas how to make mailman load more manageable? I also noticed this Debian bug report, which suggests that there's nothing that can be done: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=218983 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounced Messages
On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 08:59, Mike Phillips wrote: I just created a new mailing list with only 27 subscribers. While all of the email addresses should be correct, how can I know TODAY whether any of the messages are bouncing? Thanks, Mike Phillips Hay Mike, Just check the Mailman logs (you'll know which one to look in ;-) ~mailman/logs/.. Jon Carnes (Apex, NC) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] cascaded lists -- any tips?
On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 09:27, martin f krafft wrote: I administer a set of cascaded lists, or umbrella lists, however you want to call them. The setup is something along the following lines: A - B, C, users B - D, E, F C - users D - users E - users F - G, H, users G - users H - users Even though I configured the umbrella_list settings accordingly, this setup is quite painful when it comes to moderation. I have things like require_explicit_destination with the appropriate acceptable_aliases turned on as well as maximum size protection and other content filter rules. This works okay until someone posts a message to A, which is to be moderated. I accept the message for A, and then am asked to do the same for B and C, then for D, E, F and then for G, H. Thus, I have to visit the moderation interface 8 times for a single message. I have already considered making A and F pure umbrella lists and then to take all restrictions off the umbrella lists, so as to have moderation only apply to the leaf lists, but in the case of a post to A, I'd still have to accept a message 7 times. Is there no way to tell a child list to pass a message through when it has been accepted in a parent list? I'd be interested how other people deal with this problem. I guess I could forget the hierarchy and simply use a database to do the management of list memberships for each member, but i'd be sacrificing some of the features (e.g. single archive for a group). How can I deal with this problem? Thanks, With some moderate recoding, you could get this to work. Basically you would change the code so that accepting a message setup a key that was good for some time period. Then any moderation for a list would look for a key that basically allowed the message to pass. In that way you would approve the message once and then it would pass through all subsequent lists. Someone else did something quite similar awhile back with 2.0.x but the details are lost in the fog of time. Still it might be worth an archive search. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending to subscribers
On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 15:43, Peter Mees wrote: Am using mailman 2.1.1-4 on RH 9 with qmail. Can subscribe users , and they receive subscription mail. Users can perform administrative request mails and get answer. But messages send to mailinglist are not delivered. Please help , its driving me crazy Peter Mees FAQ 3.1.4 may help, but qmail is it's own can of fish. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: Two Dumb Questions (but are easy): Manual? Mail Commands Won't Work
On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 17:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Is there a thorough manual on Mailman that I can download and print (so I won't have to ask dumb questions)? http://www.list.org/docs.html 2. My Mailman seems to be working fine except users aren't able to do the followingnothing happens when an e-mail is sent to (name is just a substitute for the URL). [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Is this a setting needs correcting? Assuming your lists are actually working and the aliases have been put in the appropriate places the try: listname[EMAIL PROTECTED] listname[EMAIL PROTECTED] etc... -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] scrubbed html messages in archive
On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 20:17, Richard D. Dover wrote: I want html messages to appear in the public archive. In other words I want a person to click on the link for a message and when it opens up it is in the original html format it was sent. What do I need to do so that it is not 'scrubbed'? Use an external archiver like Mhonarc. Pipermail is not yet up-to-snuff for that task. It was originally meant for text emails and hasn't been reworked to handle html as well as it needs to (and yes its harder than it looks). Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] searchable archives
On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 20:28, Richard D. Dover wrote: How do I set up searchable archives on my list like you have on your list? Find a port of Mailman that has the HTDig patches applied, or install Mailman from source and apply the HTDig patches yourself. I believe this is an FAQ. Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 02:59, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: * Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I explained this exact problem/resolution to someone else last week. I looks like during an upgrade, the upgrade parses the listinfo html and modifies the non-standard html statements. It's made the following modifications (which are easily reversed): == lt; == gt; Nope. Even If I manually enter HTML tags into a new list (which has NOT been converted) I get the lt; gt; instead of . Yes. You chopped the context off, but we were talking about the meta-code used in programing the Listinfo web page. HTML tags are no longer allowed in the List Description field of the web admin interface. But that is a story for another day. Hmmm... that really is a bug. The description field should either tell you that only text can be entered here, or the Mailman utility ~mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py needs to be re-written to leave the mm-list-info HTML tags alone. The fix/workaround for now is to edit the listinfo page: Mailman Web-admin for the list Browse to: Edit the public HTML pages Browse to: General list information page - now find the meta-tag: MM-List-Info - delete this meta-tag and replace it directly with your HTML text for list description - click on Submit Changes That will put the HTML-ized list description directly into the web-based Listinfo page for your list. Since you have removed the meta-tag MM-List-Info the web-based Listinfo information will now be independent of whatever text you put into the detailed list description on the General page of the web-admin. Hope that is more helpful! Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] can i hide an internal host that hosts mailing lists?
On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 07:11, Robert P. J. Day wrote: (i'm new to mailman, and still working my way through the FAQ and docs, so if there's a simple URL that addresses this, that would be just ducky.) can i set up one or more mailing lists on a concealed, internal host so that no one needs to know the actual name of that host? i have an internal host, internal.yoyodyne.com, that is not and should not be visible outside of yoyodyne.com. it's a fast, reliable machine, the perfect host for a mailing list or two. i'd like these mailing lists to be visible to both internal users and external users, but not by that name. instead, i'd like to establish an alias -- lists.yoyodyne.com -- that everyone can use. that's the name that people should be able to use to browse to the mailman web interface, subscribe, unsubscribe, get admin messages from and so on. but so far, it's proving to be a bit tricky. even after the company admin set up DNS and virtual hosting to create that alias, mailman still insists on using the actual internal name in some situations. if you browse to lists.yoyodyne.com, the top of the page says internal. if you subscribe to a list, the confirmation message asks you to reply to internal.yoyodyne.com. is it possible to *completely* conceal the internal name of a mailing list host? during configuration, i did my best to avoid using the internal name and used only the lists name, but i'm assuming that mailman is invoking hostname or something to that effect somewhere along the way. can this be done? thanks. rday Do you have the Virtual hosting setup in Mailman? (this is a version 2.1.x of Mailman, right?). If so, what happens if you create a new list using this virtual host information? Is it using the mailserver info as setup in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py? Examples can be found in ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py Good luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] list too big?
On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 07:26, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote: We have a tiny sun ultra 10 handling 100-200 lists with general success. It's running an older version of MM (2.0.13) as I haven't gotten around to upgrading and don't see many new features we'd want. Most of our lists have 3-400 users and work fine. I just recently added one with over 11,000 addresses. Coincidentally, or not, the machine periodically hangs when this list tries to send out. This is despite having added some failsafes in sendmail eg load average refuse/delay queuing, connect and bad rcpt throttling etc. One thing I've see in the qrunner log is: Could not acquire qrunner lock Suggestions? Has anyone had any experience with really large lists on really small machines? My guess - RAM. Add more Ram - lots more RAM. Mailman loads the entire list into memory when processing it. Your larger list requires a larger hunk of memory. Look at the servers utilization when trying to send to that list. You should be able to pinpoint the limiting factor. What sort of disk subsystem do you have? SCSI or IDE? If your moving a lot of traffic or have really large lists, SCSI is a must. We've discussed large lists a lot in the archives. If you can not add more RAM then I suggest you break the larger list down into several smaller list. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] FTP or Remote Install Question
On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 11:14, Seth Dietz wrote: Does anyone have suggestions for performing a remote install (FTP, Terminal Services, or TelNet) of Mailman? Also, I'm a little confused about the default URL for accessing the admin page once everything is configured. My environment is Front Page Server Extensions 2002 running on an Apache web server. I'm not certain what the mail program is at the present time. Thanks, Seth You should have no problems with a remote install. If you can ssh or vnc into the box it will be just like your sitting in front of it. What OS are you installing on? Most linux versions have an rpm or port that allows you to install automagically - though installing from source is also fairly easy. If you are installing on a Winders machine, then you'll probably have a lot of problems, but it can be done. Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] list too big? Some Sendmail Optimizations
As far as Sendmail optimizations go, I've found the following optimizations are sufficient for most folks (even my larger clients): http://www.trilug.org/~jonc/mailserver/PartIII.html The following are noteworthy settings inside the sendmail.cf file that you may wish to change at one time or another: O MaxMessageSize=100 - this is the maximum message size in bytes; by default there is no limit. O LogLevel=9 - this controls the amount of information that goes into the log files. O Timeout.iconnect=5m - Used to weed out slow hosts. Definitely change this. I recommend trying 5 seconds (O Timeout.iconnect=5s). This value is the timeout for the initial connection. If it fails the initial connection then it moves that host to the rear of the queue and when its turn comes again in the queue it will use the more generic Timeout.connect value. O Timeout.helo=5m - The time the server will wait for the HELO command to complete (initial connection). The RFC's call for 5 minutes, but in my opinion that is too long. Still, to be conservative I wouldn't make it smaller than 2 minutes. O Timeout.mail=10m - Timeout for the response to the MAIL command. The RFC specifies a minimum of 5 minutes. I would use the minimum, though some folks set this as low as 2 minutes. O Timeout.datainit=5m - Timeout for the response to the DATA command. The RFC specifies a minimum of 2 minutes. I would use the minimum. O Timeout.ident=0 - You really want to check this and make *sure* that it is zero, otherwise sendmail wastes that many seconds attempting to use ident. O DefaultUser=8:12 - the UserID:GroupID that Sendmail runs as O QueueLA=8 - load average at which Sendmail simply queues up new messages, this is a good tweaking parameter O RefuseLA=12 - load average at which Sendmail starts to reject connections, this is needs to be modified if you modify QueueLA #0 MaxDaemonChildren=0 - maximum number of child processes allowed at one time. O DeadLetterDrop=/var/tmp/dead.letter - where to save bounces if all else fails (and this does happen if the system runs out of space on the /var volume, so you might want to point this to another volume. #O MaxRecipientsPerMessage=100 - the maximum number of recipients in a message. HtH - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] message in queue (shunt), not being delivered
On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 16:09, Rejo Zenger wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Last couple of days I have this problem with one (only that one) mailinglist I run. All incoming messages for that list get accepted with any problem. They get queued in shunt and nothing happens. I know that shunt is the place where messages go if there's something wrong and one can unshunt them as soon as the problem is fixed. However, I don't understand what's wrong. It's not in the messages, I have empthied the queues, still the problem persists. I get this in my error logfile: Feb 11 22:01:17 2004 (12591) SHUNTING: 1076533276.618227+a10ca6e7d21ba8d1985a30ef20ab24ae4902ea93 Feb 11 22:02:08 2004 (12640) Uncaught runner exception: Empty module name Feb 11 22:02:08 2004 (12640) Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 110, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 160, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py, line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py, line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py, line 90, in process send_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py, line 131, in send_digests send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py, line 304, in send_i18n_digests msg = scrubber(mlist, msg) File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py, line 311, in process t = t.encode(charset, 'replace') File /usr/lib/python2.3/encodings/__init__.py, line 84, in search_function globals(), locals(), _import_tail) ValueError: Empty module name Feb 11 22:02:08 2004 (12640) SHUNTING: 1076533327.641017+54a64806a171a110528ec89fffd014315252aad0 Anyone with a bit more clue than me? - -- Rejo Zenger If you are running version 2.1.4 then try this patch from Tokio Kikuchi... There is a patch for the Scrubber.py in Mailman version 2.1.4 that will be of additional help to you for mail that is being shunted. Tokio Kikuchi has a patch that handles many of the real world cases caused by MS clients not following the RFC's. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=891491group_id=103atid=300103 The patch should be applied directly to the Scrubber.py file (in Mailman version 2.1.4). Copy the patch file to: ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ Then run: cd ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers cp -a Scrubber.py bak.Scrubber.py patch -p0 Scrubber.py.patch That should backup the original file and then apply the patch directly to Scrubber.py. Hope that helps - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML ...
On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 16:57, WC Jones wrote: Since you have removed the meta-tag MM-List-Info the web-based Listinfo information will now be independent of whatever text you put into the detailed list description on the General page of the web-admin. What about general HTML non-sense or stupid tricks: body STYLE=background-image: url(http://insecurity.org/images/elohayelohim.jpg) ??? -Sx- As long as it's not tub girl enjoy yourself! (and you would add that in the actual html for the listinfo page - not in the list description). Jon BTW: *don't* go looking for tub girl - you have been warned. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 01:11, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: * Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You can still used html but be wary of embedding one of the mega tags (used by mailman to generate html). The formating of the listinfo pages has changed, so you will have to adapt to get your old look back... but it is possible. So, right now I insert LI and I get lt;LIgt; -- how DO I insert HTML properly, in a way that it won't be rewritten? Okay, I just did it to a test list and it worked fine. Here is the top part of the coding for the listinfo page (which includes the four lines that I added. The dl and li's are near the bottom of this segment: !-- $Revision: 2.4 $ -- HTML HEAD TITLEMM-List-Name Info Page/TITLE /HEAD BODY BGCOLOR=#ff P TABLE COLS=1 BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=4 CELLPADDING=5 TR TD COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=100% BGCOLOR=#99CCFF ALIGN=CENTER BFONT COLOR=#00 SIZE=+1MM-List-Name -- MM-List-Description/FONT/B /TD /TR tr td colspan=2 pnbsp; /td /tr tr TD COLSPAN=1 WIDTH=100% BGCOLOR=#FFF0D0 BFONT COLOR=#00About MM-List-Name/FONT/B /TD TD COLSPAN=1 WIDTH=100% BGCOLOR=#FFF0D0 MM-lang-form-startMM-displang-box MM-list-langs MM-form-end MM-Subscribe-Form-Start /TD /TR tr td colspan=2 PMM-List-Info/P dlSome points to note: li This is point 1/li li This is the second point/li /dl p To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the MM-ArchiveMM-List-Name Archives/MM-Archive. MM-Restricted-List-Message /p /TD /TR TR TD COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=100% BGCOLOR=#FFF0D0 BFONT COLOR=#00Using MM-List-Name/FONT/B /TD /TR == There simply are no (mailman) problems to adding in your own HTML to the Listinfo pages. Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail-News gateways moderation question
There are a lot of Unix based MTA that will allow you to do this. There are also some well written ones for the world of Windows; Eudora comes to mind, as does Pegasus. If your looking for aid/relief from some big Monopoly that writes OS's and email clients, then don't hold your breath (though theoretically you could write a VBA extension that allows Outlook to do this) http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/29/MailUserAgents.pdf Jon Carnes On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 01:57, Aaron Anderson wrote: From the Mail-News gateways settings: If the newsgroup is moderated, you can set this mailing list up to be the moderation address for the newsgroup. By selecting Moderated, an additional posting hold will be placed in the approval process. All messages posted to the mailing list will have to be approved before being sent on to the newsgroup, or to the mailing list membership. Note that if the message has an Approved header with the list's administrative password in it, this hold test will be bypassed, allowing privileged posters to send messages directly to the list and the newsgroup. Question: Exactly where/how do you put this Approved header and password so that it will appear in these approved messages, causing them to be posted on a moderated newsgroup? thank you, Aaron Anderson -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 09:38, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: * Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 01:11, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: There simply are no (mailman) problems to adding in your own HTML to the Listinfo pages. There are, and they are here. I get: FORM Method=POST ACTION=http://mailman.charite.de/mailman/subscribe/rundmail; /TD /TR tr td colspan=2 Plt;H2gt;Allgemeine Ankndigungen derCharite: Anleitunglt;/H2gt; brUm eine Rundmail zu versenden, sollten Sie sich zuerst ber diefolgenden Punkte im Klaren sein: brlt;olgt; brlt;ligt; Soll wirklich jede Benutzerin und jeder Benutzer in der ... I note that you don't post your listinfo code. Without that I can't help you. Jon -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] scheduling post
On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 12:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Is there a way with the latest version of Mailman to send all the post (with posfix) only at certain hours Thanks Yes. You need to read up cron: man crontab man 5 crontab you can use a cron job to turn your mailmanctl service on and then another to turn it off. While mailmanctl is not running the mail will simply queue up in the ~mailman/qfiles/in/.. directory. When you turn mailmanctl on, it will send out all the queued up messages. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
Ralf loaned me his listinfo code and it was plain to see that during an upgrade the process parsed the listinfo html and modified the non-standard html statements. It's made the following modifications (which are easily reversed): == lt; == gt; It turned them into logical greater than and logical less than. Thus the html tags are missing and are now text. I cut/pasted the code into an editor and did two replace all's then cut/pasted the code back into the listinfo edit page. Everything worked fine after that. This is exactly what I was saying last week (but apparently not very well) HTML code works fine in Mailman version 2.1.4. It's the upgrade process that converts the and characters to a text representation. You have to edit the old code to move it back to its original status as HTML tags. Example: H2 was converted to lt;H2gt; Hope that is helpful! Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Need help w/ mailman, qmail
On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 16:39, Adam Wozniak wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Adam Wozniak wrote: [ qmail and mailman woes deleted] Is there a troubleshooting checklist anywhere? Where do I look for problems? Please help, I need to get this thing going quickly. Anyone? Bueller? I think Bueller's sick today... I heard he was donating a kidney... Check out FAQ 3.14, it is a troubleshooting checklist. Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML in list descriptions
On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 17:18, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: Formerly we used 2.0.x, and we could use HTML in list descriptions. Now we have 2.1.4, and all HTML tags are displayed literally, e.g. as LI Bug or feature? You can still used html but be wary of embedding one of the mega tags (used by mailman to generate html). The formating of the listinfo pages has changed, so you will have to adapt to get your old look back... but it is possible. Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Some config questions
On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 07:04, Brad Knowles wrote: At 10:32 AM +0100 2004/02/08, Kai Schaetzl wrote: 1. how to make a one-way mailing-list for sending out newsletters to customers etc.? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp. Note that the FAQ *is* searchable. Putting in one-way or announce only should have been enough to turn this item up. Also (from the footer of every message): Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminders with an invalid sender domain (and thus bouncing)
On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 06:03, Rejo Zenger wrote:
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Hash: SHA1
++ 07/02/04 20:16 -0500 - Jon Carnes:
If your running 2.1.x (and from the problem I think you are) then you
need to use the ~mailman/bin/withlist command to reset the host names
inside the configuration database.
I see, the problem is however that I don't have a clue on how to issue
those Python commands. I have no idea what I have to look for and how to
get there. Prefereably I would like to see a complete list of variables
that I could grep.
Any idea where to start - a pointer to an introduction in working with
this withlist, apart from the --help contents, is also welcome.
[problem:]
No problems, except for one list - all other list have no problems. This
one list has it's password reminders send out with the wrong domain (a
local domain, the one from the former box). As a result, most of these
reminders get bounced because of sender verify tests.
Make sure the hosts are defined properly (as virtual host sets: URL and
Mailhost), then run withlist using the fix_url.py module on your list.
You might want to backup the list config file first.
Here is a message lifted from the archives... perhaps it will help:
On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 03:33 am, Wayne Spivak wrote:
I runnng mailman on a box with currently four domains.
I've added four groups of these lines:
VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'list.foo.com': 'list.foo.com'} -- notice bracket
add_virtualhost ('list.foo.com', 'list.foo.com') -- notice paren
I've tried to run withlist -r fix_url -l foo-list and then mailmanctl
restart and I still get this error.
On some of the lists I get the in-addr-arpa name for the url. Not
even
the box url. The mailman list is set to the box url.
I hope I've explained this, its been a long tedious day.
Any ideas?
If you are supporting four virtual domains then you probably want to
say the following in your mm_cfg.py, before restarting mailmanctl and
using fix_url
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'box.mailhostname.tld'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'box.webhostname.tld'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-1.tld', 'your.mailhostname-1.tld')
add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-2.tld', 'your.mailhostname-2.tld')
add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-3.tld', 'your.mailhostname-3.tld')
add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-4.tld', 'your.mailhostname-4.tld')
You could also check out the FAQ page:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.029.htp
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Queue
On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 18:31, David A Boothe wrote: You know I really HATE that kind of answer. Then don't use Open Source. In all the time that one takes to write what he did he could have easily said what each character stood for. Yet all he did was tell me that I could go search through miles of documentation and try to find it. Sorry if I sound like I am pissing into the wind but some folks do have reading disabilities and aks questions to get answers not wise ass comments. Can someone actually tell me what each character stands for. I kind of figured all by myself that it had to do with the status but what exactly each char stood for still has not been answered. Maybe I'll delete this email before I send it - Maybe not. It depends on how really pissed off I am by the sort of person who asks for help, is pointed to the right place and then bitches about having to actually help himself by reading the documentation And of course its an Exim question on a Mailman list. Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminders with an invalid sender domain (and thus bouncing)
If your running 2.1.x (and from the problem I think you are) then you need to use the ~mailman/bin/withlist command to reset the host names inside the configuration database. If you more withlist you'll see some nice examples of how to use it in the comments. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 09:15, Rejo Zenger wrote: Hello, I have a small problem: I have migrated mailman (and mailserver, etc) a month ago from one box to another. No problems, except for one list - all other list have no problems. This one list has it's password reminders send out with the wrong domain (a local domain, the one from the former box). As a result, most of these reminders get bounced because of sender verify tests. I have tried to find out which file I have to adjust, but I can't find out what is causing the problen. Any idea where to look? Thanks, -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Large List Considerations
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 15:24, Hunter Hillegas wrote: Hello, I have configured mailman and we're about to start populating a mailing list with almost 20,000 members. Any special considerations for lists this large? Any advice appreciated. Thanks, Hunter Depending on your Disk sub-system, Processor, and amount of RAM, 20k members may be not be a lot for Mailman to handle. If however you find that messages spend a long time in the queue before being processed (or web-access to the list configuration is very slow to load) then you might want to consider putting aside some ram for use as a disk. You can copy your ~mailman/lists/... to this RAM drive and mount it over the ~mailman/lists (then startup Mailman). Access to the lists and configuration will then be much faster. Note: the RAM drive *must* be at least twice the size as the data stored in it, so that Mailman can make backup copies of the config files while doing changes. Good Luck! Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Large List Considerations
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 18:06, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 22:28, Jon Carnes wrote: [...] If however you find that messages spend a long time in the queue before being processed (or web-access to the list configuration is very slow to load) then you might want to consider putting aside some ram for use as a disk. You can copy your ~mailman/lists/... to this RAM drive and mount it over the ~mailman/lists (then startup Mailman). Access to the lists and configuration will then be much faster. Note: the RAM drive *must* be at least twice the size as the data stored in it, so that Mailman can make backup copies of the config files while doing changes. Which raises the question if simply adding the RAM to the system thus increasing the disk cache (and not dedicated to just one part of the app and - given the above description - wasting 50% of it almost completely, not considering fault-tolerance and similar) won't be as good (if not batter)? Bernd Alas, there is a whole lot of writing going on that just adding RAM does not address. If all Mailman did was read the list from the same process each time, then adding RAM would be the best bet. Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME set to 0 caused processor overload
I just had a client who had set: QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(0) This was on a 2.1.x install, and it caused a huge load on the processors. That was the problem. Mailman was eating up way too much processor. Five qrunners were running continuously whether they had files to process or not... it was quite perplexing until I happened to look in the mm_cfg.py file and saw that the qrunner sleep time had been set to 0 qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s Changing the setting back to the default: QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1) resolved the problem of too high a processor load. A cautionary tale - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME set to 0 caused processor overload
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 21:23, Jon Carnes wrote: I just had a client who had set: QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(0) This was on a 2.1.x install, and it caused a huge load on the processors. That was the problem. Mailman was eating up way too much processor. Five qrunners were running continuously whether they had files to process or not... it was quite perplexing until I happened to look in the mm_cfg.py file and saw that the qrunner sleep time had been set to 0 qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s Changing the setting back to the default: QRUNNER_SLEEP_TIME = seconds(1) resolved the problem of too high a processor load. A cautionary tale - Jon Carnes Opps. Just for accuracy's sake, the OutgoingRunner was not a problem, but the ArchiveRunner was. Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] pending requests?
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 09:48, Hans Middelhoek wrote: Hello, We are using mailman on our webservers and are very convenient about it. But I want to ask you something. I hope you can help me with it. One of our customers uses mailman and gets a mail every day with the following content: The [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: http://entropy8zuper.org/mailman/admindb/dust_entropy8zuper.org Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. -- As you can see the name of the mailing list is 'dust'. When we look at the given URL we can't find any requests. We have been looking for a/the solution. Also we searched in the control panel but couldn't find a relevant option. Only the following but not sure this is the correct one. Maybe you can tell me where to look for the solution. The option that it could be, as far as I know, I found in the control panel at general options and finally Should administrator get notices of subscribes/unsubscribes? At the moment 'yes' is selected here. I hope you want to help me out with this, but I can imagine I'm not the only one mailing, so you also may give me a URL of a forum where I can post it to get to the solution. Thank you in advance. Yours sincerely, Hans Middelhoek Hans, you neglect to tell us which version of Mailman you are using!!! If you are using a version 2.1.x then you can simply look in the ~mailman/data directory for the held message and delete it. Then move to the ~mailman/lists/listname/ and delete the request.db file. If you are using an earlier version of Mailman, then you will have to take another list's empty request.db file and copy it over the existing one (in order to blank it out). Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.8 password change @SuSE 7.1
On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 11:29, Jens Schliecker wrote: Hi, I have a big problem. I have to moderate a newsletter system running with mailman at SuSE 7.1. I haven't the PW for the user mailman on the machine. So I changed the PW for mailman. Now I have the problem that the mailing list doesn't work until I changed the PW. I can't log in at web-interface to make changes at the list. Nobody can subscribe our newsletter because mailman is out of work at the moment Please help and sorry for my bad English. Best Regards Jens The FAQ has a write up of the various passwords... but in general what you want is to login to the box and reset the master password for Mailman: ~mailman/bin/mmsitepass That will give you access to administer all the lists *and* to reset each lists individual administrative password. Good Luck - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
