[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x
On 2020-09-17 14:34, Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote: > Of course I do not want do move anyone away from Mailman. If Phil absolutely > wants to retire Python 2 on his machine(s), And that is precisely my motivation. The writing has been on the wall for Python2 for nearly ten years. The EOL date has already been extended five years. It's time to let it go. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x
On 2020-09-17 13:59, Christian F Buser wrote: > I am in no way a programmer - but as I understand it, Python 2 can live > alongside Python 3 without any problems. Oh, indeed, it totally can. And right now, it does, on two of my three Linux boxes. I've managed to get Python2 completely off the third, but the other two still have dependencies on it. > The EOL declaration for Python 2 does NOT mean that Python 2 will stop > working on the date the publishers announced. There will just be no > improvements. And as long as there are no obvious security holes in Python 2, > it is absolutely not necessary to retire it on any machine. I know it's not *necessary*. But I consider it good hygiene not to use EOL software. > If you absolutely want to get rid of Python 2, either use Mailman 3, or > another mailing list manager. I'm planning to migrate to Mailman3 as soon as Gentoo stabilizes the ebuild. It's been a long wait, but stabilization is imminent at this point. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x
On 2020-09-17 12:07, Mark Sapiro wrote: > If Mailman 2.1 meets their needs now, why won't it continue to do so as > it is? (Aside: I still sometimes use Adobe Reader 9 for Linux on my > desktop even though it has been unsupported and unavailable from Adobe > for years.) Weighing in on this question alone, Mailman 2 does everything that I actually need a mail list manager to do for me, and everything I anticipate needing it to do in the future. ... Except for the part where it requires me to keep Python 2 installed beyond its second, extended, we absolutely mean it this time, no more extensions, declared EOL. It's not that I need anything Mailman 2 doesn't do. (Except run on Python 3.) It's that I need Python 2 to be gone, dead and buried with a fork stuck in it. I'm just waiting for Gentoo's Mailman 3 ebuild to be flagged stable. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x
On 2020-08-27 13:15, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > 3. Captchas are a worst practice in security and should never be used. > They can be and are defeated at will by any adversary who wants to > trouble themselves to do so. They're also user-hostile. There are much > better methods available for protecting Mailman instances from abusers. I've said for some time that traditional captchas are by now almost a REVERSE test. Ability to solve them should be taken as stronger evidence that you are a bot than that you are a human, because bots are better at solving them than humans are. Image-style captchas like reCaptcha are better, but they too have a shocking oversight: They do not scale well on increasingly-ubiquitous high-resolution displays. I'm currently using a 32" 4K monitor, and even after zooming the page as far as I can, I still sometimes have to resort to a magnifying glass to be certain whether I'm seeing a specified object somewhere in the background of one of the images. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x
On 2020-08-27 12:30, Mark Sapiro wrote: > I'm still not clear on what you (Jim) are really wanting to do. I may be > wrong on this, but I don't see any distros picking up new versions of > Mailman 2.1 unless they come from some 'official' source and so far, the > GNU-Mailman project is the only such source. I'm not even sure that any > distros are planning to package Mailman 2.1.34. Currently there is no active ebuild for mailman in Gentoo. 2.1.33 has been masked, there is no 2.1.34, and 3.3.0 and 3.3.1 exist but have not yet been marked stable or unmasked. The process of stabilizing a mailman3 ebuild is ongoing and I've been monitoring it. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project (was: Handling Munged From Addresses)
On 2020-02-28 05:44, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mailman has the opposite problem. We *wish* str was Unicode from the > get-go, but it wasn't, and Mailman 2 is rife with potential encoded/ > decoded confusion because of the nature of email and the dual usage of > str in Python 1, and the history of Mailman as an MLM for an American > rock band (who needs no steekin' accents, we just hammer and bend the > strings!) This is clearly a story I didn't know. :) And now I'm curious... -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] The last release from the GNU Mailman project (was: Handling Munged From Addresses)
On 2020-02-27 14:51, Bill Cole wrote: > On 27 Feb 2020, at 14:24, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote: > >> Personally, I'd like to see the GNU Mailman project have a formal >> Mailman 2.3 release that supports Python3, I feel that there would be >> a >> lot of support for that. > > I'm sure there would be widespread applause and congratulations if such > a thing were actually released. That sort of "support" is unhelpful > towards actually making such a release. > > The needed support is the actual skilled effort of writing the required > Python3 code. I don't have the time to hunt down the specific > statements, but I have vague recollections that both Barry and Mark have > said repeatedly that doing so would be substantially more effort than > they are willing to put into anything built on the MM2 architecture. Rewriting without breaking is hard. There is a Python framework called Twisted. It has a lot of useful features. Also a lot of vices, but a lot of useful features. As best I can determine, the task of updating it to be Python 3 compatible has now been under way for ten years (with most of that time, only one person working on it). What has this yielded? "Most of the most commonly used parts" of Twisted are now Python 3 compatible. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.18 for RHEL 5
On 2020-02-17 10:56, Bill Cole wrote: > RedHat has a policy of nailing down nominal versions of software with > each major RHEL release and then backporting whatever fixes they deem > important into their packages over the life of the major release, adding > their own subordinate versioning. I know from working on the > SpamAssassin security team that RH is particularly attentive to security > issues and other major bugfixes. An unfortunate side effect of this is that it makes it very difficult to support some software on Red Hat because you don't know for sure what codebase you're actually running, except that it's probably neither fish nor fowl nor good red meat. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Easy question for this crowd
On 6/1/19 1:44 PM, Chip Davis wrote: > I guess my question wasn't so "easy" after all ... :-( > > What was a daily trickle is now a flood of UCE from different domains > in the .icu TLD. I hope someone can suggest some sort of prophylaxis > that I haven't tried. Do you get any actual, legitimate mail from .icu? Do you have any real subscribers from .icu? If not, I'd consider just blocking the entire TLD. I've blocked several of the new shit TLDs from which I was receiving nothing but spam, and it's enormously reduced my volume of spam. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Now that Python 2 is dead in 2020 what are people's plans with mailman2?
On 4/10/19 7:36 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: > On 4/10/19 12:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> The path forward is to increase the community of MM 3 users which will >> result in more people contributing to the project and faster progress. > > On that note, I migrated my half-dozen lists (a few hundred recipients > in total) to MM3 yesterday. I'm having a couple of minor issues, for > which I will request advice as soon as I'm sure of what's happening, but > overall the results have been positive. I'm still waiting for Mailman3 to go stable on Gentoo. There is a 3.1.1 ebuild for both mailman and mailmanclient, but net-mail/mailman-3.1.1 is still masked. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Install mailman-2.1.z with python3.6
On 1/7/19 4:19 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 20:37, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Which is expected because Mailman 2.1 does not support Python 3 and >> never will. > > Noted! I thought I could eliminate python2 from my server :) Not yet, unfortunately. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing the mailman access url
On 1/3/19 12:36 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > I have manually installed mailman and moved the files. This is on the same > server. > Now my problem is the urls: > I have http://FQDN/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/LISTNAME which I would like to > change to http://FQDN/mailman/admin/skunkworks - ideally, just eliminating > the /cgi-bin/ bit. > This does not look like a Mailman configuration issue. This is something easily done in your Apache configuration. Try this: ScriptAlias /mailman /usr/lib64/mailman/cgi-bin/ (or whatever your actual path is) SetHandler cgi-script Options +MultiViews Require all granted -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Argh. Postfix/Mailman compatibility on Gentoo
: Command died with status 2: "/usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post caerllewys". Command output: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailman", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as group "nobody". Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailman", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=nobody'. I'd swear I fixed that *AT LEAST* once.. The easy solution: 1. In /etc/postfix/main.cf: mail_owner= postfix default_privs = mailman 2. Restart Postfix Done. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"
On 07/19/18 19:27, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 07/19/2018 03:59 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: >> >> Actually, mailing lists and other redistribution are among the places >> DMARC notably breaks. The real answer, which was created for this >> purpose, is ARC (Authenticated Received Chain). That is designed from >> the start to pass through mailing lists unbroken. > > > Yes, ARC is designed for this and we are working on implementing ARC for > Mailman 3 but not 2.1. I am, by the way, eagerly waiting for Gentoo to unmask Mailman 3 ... :) -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] non-subscribers getting through--email address in "Real Name"
On 07/19/18 17:11, John Levine wrote: > In article > you write: >> Yes. Just about everything can be spoofed to some degree. It really >> depends on what information the owner of the purported sending domain >> publishes and what filtering / consumption of said information the >> receiving server exercises. > > Well, you know, this is what DMARC is intended to address. While > DMARC checks on mail that has passed through mailing lists has all > sorts of well known problems, doing DMARC checks on mail that arrives > at a list server would be pretty benign. It's pretty rare for the > path from a user to the mailman server to do things that would cause > DMARC fails. Actually, mailing lists and other redistribution are among the places DMARC notably breaks. The real answer, which was created for this purpose, is ARC (Authenticated Received Chain). That is designed from the start to pass through mailing lists unbroken. (Or so I'm told.) -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to start mailman due to time travel
On 07/04/18 15:10, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 7/4/18 11:52 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote: >> This looks like it's failing to acquire a lock file. Investigating, I >> discovered this: > > > There was probably a stale lock due to Mailman not being cleanly > terminated upon reboot. The Operation not permitted is an attempt to > determine the status of the PID that created the lock by sending it a > signal 0. The error may be a Gentoo thing or 'mailmanctl start' may need > to run as root if it wasn't. Yup, actually I'm pretty sure I know how the stale lock file happened ... I had to interrupt boot a couple of times because this is a Dell R610 server, and it has an annoying habit of disbelieving in my KVM switch during boot. It can be a bit of a headache getting it to acknowledge that it actually has a keyboard connected in time to select the kernel I want i grub. >> After I deleted the errant lock files, mailman started up without >> hesitation ... and AGAIN created lock files timestamped in the future: >> >> >> minbar:root:/var/lib/mailman/logs:22 # ls -l /var/lib/mailman/locks >> total 8 >> -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 50 Jul 5 2018 master-qrunner >> -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 50 Jul 5 2018 master-qrunner.minbar.15895 > > > This is all normal and expected. The time stamp on locks is set to that > future time when the lock expires. AH! I did not know that. Mystery resolved. Thank you. :) -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Unable to start mailman due to time travel
I have mailman-2.1.26 installed on my Gentoo 17.0 application server, which I just rebooted to update from kernel 4.15.15 to 4.16.13. After rebooting, mailman would not start, logging the following errors: Jul 04 14:43:58 2018 mailmanctl(15743): Traceback (most recent call last): Jul 04 14:43:58 2018 mailmanctl(15743): File "bin/mailmanctl", line 556, in Jul 04 14:43:58 2018 mailmanctl(15743): main() Jul 04 14:43:58 2018 mailmanctl(15743): File "bin/mailmanctl", line 391, in main Jul 04 14:43:58 2018 mailmanctl(15743): lock = acquire_lock(force) Jul 04 14:43:58 2018 mailmanctl(15743): File "bin/mailmanctl", line 215, in acquire_lock Jul 04 14:43:58 2018 mailmanctl(15743): lock = acquire_lock_1(force) Jul 04 14:43:58 2018 mailmanctl(15743): File "bin/mailmanctl", line 203, in acquire_lock_1 Jul 04 14:43:58 2018 mailmanctl(15743): if not force or qrunner_state(): Jul 04 14:43:58 2018 mailmanctl(15743): File "bin/mailmanctl", line 187, in qrunner_state Jul 04 14:43:58 2018 mailmanctl(15743): os.kill(pid, 0) Jul 04 14:43:58 2018 mailmanctl(15743): OSError : [Errno 1] Operation not permitted This looks like it's failing to acquire a lock file. Investigating, I discovered this: minbar:root:/var/lib/mailman/logs:18 # ls -l /var/lib/mailman/locks total 8 -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 49 Jul 5 2018 master-qrunner -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 49 Jul 5 2018 master-qrunner.minbar.4623 The server itself is pretty clear that today is July 4: minbar:root:/var/lib/mailman/logs:23 # date Wed Jul 4 14:50:09 EDT 2018 After I deleted the errant lock files, mailman started up without hesitation ... and AGAIN created lock files timestamped in the future: minbar:root:/var/lib/mailman/logs:22 # ls -l /var/lib/mailman/locks total 8 -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 50 Jul 5 2018 master-qrunner -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 50 Jul 5 2018 master-qrunner.minbar.15895 Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] "Freezing" mailing list
On 05/29/18 10:20, Tatsuo Ishii wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to "freeze" an existing mailing list: I want to keep the > mailing list but I want no one newly subscribe the list. Can you > please anyone tell me how I can implement it? You could set the list to require moderator approval for subscription, then simply discard all subscription requests. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Possibly OT: GDPR and list servers
On 05/09/18 08:39, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > I may put something like this at top of > http://mailman.berklix.org/mailman/listinfo > GDPR: 88 pages of PDF this unpaid admin has no time to read. > Mail lists & web are run Free. You pay nothing. We are paid nothing. > If you object Unsubscribe Yourself. That in my opinion is about the right level of response for a typical mailing list. I myself would add the following: - We do not collect any personal information beyond your email address - We do not sell, share or otherwise use your email address except to deliver mail to you - Public archives are public; think before you post. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam Subscriptions
On 02/23/18 10:07, David Andrews wrote: > I have just two lists that receive a bunch of spam subscribes each > day -- hundreds of them, in fact. For some reason -- which is good, > they are held, so don't go through, not quite sure why. Two > questions -- first is there a file I can erase for each list that > will get rid of all the held subscriptions, without breaking anything > else. I tried once, and my installation broke -- don't know if it is > related, but don't want to try again unless I do it right. As for the held subscriptions, you should be able to go to the list's admin interface and drop all of the pending subscription requests as a single operation. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam Subscriptions
On 02/23/18 10:07, David Andrews wrote: > Secondly, there is some commonality in the subscribe addresses, are > there strings I can use to discard the subscribes so I never have to see them. > > Below are examples, there is a common word, or a common word, a > period ., and another common word, then a plus sign + then a 4 5 or 6 > character word, all alpha, and @gmail.com > Here are examples: > > dragonommz+ > jwmidnight+ > nommz.naidoo+ > > If I could knock these out, it would be helpful. This has happened > several times previously, but has always stopped after a few weeks. > This time it has been a couple months. You can't filter based on that address format. (At least, not and be correct.) This format, plus-extension, is a legitimate address structure specifically for the purpose of generating traceable throwaway addresses. If I give you reddog+thisl...@example.com as my email address, which I receive at my address red...@example.com, and I've given that to no-one else, and a few weeks later I start getting random spam sent to reddog+thisl...@example.com, I know you have (intentionally or otherwise) leaked my email address. Just because an address is plus-extended does not mean it is spam. If you choose to refuse extended addresses, you risk refusing legitimate subscribers. Have you considered requiring CAPTCHAs for subscription? -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Replying to the List
On 12/07/17 13:17, Jordan Brown wrote: > On 12/7/2017 9:15 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote: >> On 12/07/17 00:43, Ron Beatteay via Mailman-Users wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I’m new to mailman. My previous Listserv platform ( LSoft ) made it easy >>> to reply to discussions by automatically sending replies to the list. With >>> mailman, replies go to the person, not the list,, so we have to make the >>> extra step of correcting the outgoing to: address. Is there a way to make >>> that default in settings? >> Yes. The documentation explains how. >> >> Short version for free: Edit /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py and add the >> following line anywhere AFTER 'from Defaults import *': >> >> DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 1 > > But don't do it. Teach your users to use "Reply All" when they want to > talk to everybody and "Reply" when they want to talk to the author of > the particular message. > > Mailing list mechanisms that set "Reply-To" to point to the mailing list > inevitably lead to messages that are intended to be private being > accidentally sent to the entire list. This is a religious dispute. Both schools of thought have their adherents and their vehement opponents, and some mailers still do not provide separate options for reply-to-sender and reply-to-list. The smart-money choice is to carefully consider on a list-by-list basis which policy is appropriate for the list in question. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Replying to the List
On 12/07/17 00:43, Ron Beatteay via Mailman-Users wrote: > Hi all, > I’m new to mailman. My previous Listserv platform ( LSoft ) made it easy to > reply to discussions by automatically sending replies to the list. With > mailman, replies go to the person, not the list,, so we have to make the > extra step of correcting the outgoing to: address. Is there a way to make > that default in settings? Yes. The documentation explains how. Short version for free: Edit /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py and add the following line anywhere AFTER 'from Defaults import *': DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 1 -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing archived spam
On 11/11/17 13:17, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > Heh. You made me look. No, contrary to the popular belief LiGNUx did not > invent the world, nor did mailman invent "arch". Sunos had it since > forever, but it appears nobody else did. Somehow it made its way into > linux and apparently everyone's been trying to get rid of it ever since. > Including sunos. Heh, I just looked at that myself. How did such a useless tool ever become standard? -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Django
On 10/03/17 10:06, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Oct 3, 2017, at 07:41, Ruben Safir <mrbrk...@panix.com> wrote: >> >> I'm not sure why you decided to add Django as a dependency of Mailman >> but it is a losey idea to add an additional entire operational >> development platform in order to just get a mailing list up and running. > > You must be talking about Mailman 3, where the web ui and archiver are > implemented as Django applications. One thing to be said for Django is that at least it doesn't pull in PHP. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] spam discard expressions
On 09/29/17 03:13, Jim Dory wrote: > The > spammers attacking us must not be very smart, though they are persistent. The truth, I think, is that *most* spammers aren't very smart. The smart ones have figured out that the real money isn't in spamming, it's in selling spamming tools and spam hosting to the ones who haven't figured that out yet. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] spam discard expressions
On 09/20/17 15:59, Jim Dory wrote: > Apparently our host provider performs spam tests only on outgoing, rather > than incoming - since my spamassassin blacklists don't have any effect. > > So I've discovered the filters offered in Mailman after being completely > buried by spammers trying to post to our subscriber only list. You might try deploying rspamd. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Distributed mass subscribe attack?
On 08/18/17 12:25, tlhackque via Mailman-Users wrote: > On 17-Aug-17 16:47, Andy Cravens wrote: >> >> >> David, >> >> I forgot to mention I’m also working on a modsecurity rule to look at all >> POSTs >> and reject if they contain an email address with a + sign. >> > I understand the drive to suppress an attack. However, + is valid in > e-mail addresses. It's frequently used by people to setup auto-filing > rules, and/or to track the source of addresses harvested for SPAM. > > I strongly discourage any service provider from defining what formats of > e-mail addresses are acceptable. Such definitions, however > well-intentioned, are almost always wrong - and effectively blindly deny > service. I second this. It is a legitimate part of compliant email addresses, no matter how many web stores seem to believe otherwise (or are merely unaware of it). > If an address is valid per RFC822 (2822,5322, ...), accept it. This. > No matter what you do, the spammers will adapt, eventually. But unless > you're a particularly appealing target, they're likely to move on if you > do almost anything unusual. One of your best first lines of defense is don't be the low-hanging fruit. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] ANNOUNCE: Mailman 3.1.0 final!
On 05/27/17 11:35, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 05/27/2017 01:07 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >> On 27 May 2017 at 01:13, Phil Stracchino <ph...@caerllewys.net> wrote: >>> >>> Now if only there were a mailman3 ebuild for Gentoo ... >> >> It's not you alone crying. There are no ports for FreeBSD too. In fact, I >> have not been able to find a way to run MM3 on FreeBSD which is as easy as >> I can do with MM2.1 so, not being knowledgeable with packaging, I am stuck >> with MM2.1 till kingdom come :) > > We are working on packaging and 2.1 -> 3 migration, and it will come. We > should have a Docker container ready soon if that will help. > > If anyone is interested in helping with packaging for specific distros, > we would love to have your help. I was actually giving some thought to putting together a Gentoo ebuild, but I operate only an unofficial overlay. I'm sure an official ebuild would be better. -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] ANNOUNCE: Mailman 3.1.0 final!
On 05/26/17 17:29, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 05/25/2017 04:28 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> Hello Mailpeople! >> >> On behalf of the entire team and all our wonderful contributors, I'm happy to >> announce the release of GNU Mailman 3.1 final. My deep thanks go to all the >> Mailman project sprinters at Pycon 2017 for getting us over the line! > > And I am happy to report that the Mailman 3 installations at > <https://mail.python.org/mm3/> and <https://lists.mailman3.org/> are now > happily running this release. Now if only there were a mailman3 ebuild for Gentoo ... -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Cannot approve a moderation-held post
On 05/09/17 19:19, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 05/09/2017 03:46 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote: >> I'm running Mailman 2.1.23 along with Postfix 3.2.0 and Apache 2.4.25. >> I have a held message from a mailing list member who was (at the user's >> request) placed on moderation some time ago after a Girl Scouts phone >> app stole her address book and spammed it. I cannot approve the >> message. [...] > > Does Apache redirect http to https and if so is the 'action' URL on the > admindb page an http URL? If so, see steps 2 and 3 at > <https://wiki.list.org/x/17892007>. You also may be able to avoid this > issue in Apache by redirecting with a '308' status instead of > 'Permanent', but this doesn't work well with Microsoft browsers. Aha! I *do* redirect HTTP to HTTPS. However, I'd already done all of the steps in that document, as well as some other measures ... EXCEPT the fix_url, which I did not know I needed to do. The problem is now solved. Thanks! -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: 603.293.8485 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Cannot approve a moderation-held post
I'm running Mailman 2.1.23 along with Postfix 3.2.0 and Apache 2.4.25. I have a held message from a mailing list member who was (at the user's request) placed on moderation some time ago after a Girl Scouts phone app stole her address book and spammed it. I cannot approve the message. I've tried three different browsers. I've already successfully unmoderated the user, I select "Approve", click Submit All, and I just get dumped straight back at the held-message-approval page with the message still held. I've checked all relevant logs and there are no errors being logged either by Apache, by Postfix, or by Mailman itself. Everything else works except that I cannot approve this held message. "Nothing's wrong, it just doesn't work." I also tried approving by replying to -request with an Approve: command, and that didn't work either. Does anyone have any idea what could be causing this problem, and how I can fix it and prevent future occurrences? Except for simply never using moderation? -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: 603.293.8485 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 and 3
On 03/30/17 12:16, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 03/30/2017 08:44 AM, Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote: However: What is the state of Mailman 2 at the moment? I think it is still supported and developed. But will this change in the near or in the distant future? Mailman 2 is definitely end of life. I am the only one actively supporting it at this point and while I continue to offer help and fix bugs, it's not what I want to be doing. There's no Gentoo ebuild for mailman3 yet. Hopefully that will change... -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: 603.293.8485 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Spam Filters
On 02/07/17 09:53, Barco van Rhijn wrote: > I've put together a profanity word list that I'd like to block on our > mailing lists. I'm attempting to run this through the spam filters in > Mailman. > Since these phrases are quite toxic to work with I've added a tame > example. ;-) > > *I'm able to block words without an issue. But I'm having problems with > two things:* > > 1. *I'm unable to match a phrase only.* > e.g. "she is mad" > > So far if I enter something like this it will match both words in > the phrase anywhere in a message. > > * Hence an innocent user using the a phrase like "she is a > darling" would also be blocked. > * As would someone mentioning the word "mad" in an non derogatory > way. [...] > Does anyone using this feature have advice for me? Yes. In brief, this is a hard, and possibly intractable, problem that cannot be solved with regexes. Any attempt to do so will be dependent upon where you want to draw the line between false positives and false negatives. Bayesian filtering has a higher success rate, but is still not fully reliable, and you will still have to choose where you want to establish the balance between acceptable false positives and false negatives. Further, Mailman has no capability to use Bayesian filters. (However, you could run incoming mail TO your lists through a Bayesian filter before forwarding it to Mailman, wioth the same caveats.) If there were an easy solution to this problem, *everyone*[1] would already be using it. Related anecdote: One of my CS professors in college was once approached by the California DMV to write them a piece of software that would automatically screen vanity license plate applications for obscene or vulgar meanings. "OK," he said. "Including letter-number substitions." "OK, that's easy." "Forward and backward." "OK." "Including slang." "Um, OK ..." "And in all languages." This was the point at which he told them that they were smoking crack. And that, filtering a single "word", was a much simpler problem. The only way you are reliably going to keep all profanity off your mailing lists without false positives is manual moderation. If you can devise a strong AI to do the moderation, more power to you. But you cannot do it without smart natural-language processing. You cannot do it with 100% accuracy using regex. Period. Like XHTML parsing,[2] it is not a problem that can be solved with regex. [1] Well, maybe everyone except 4chan. [2] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags/1732454#1732454 -- Phil Stracchino Babylon Communications ph...@caerllewys.net p...@co.ordinate.org Landline: 603.293.8485 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Remove Members waiting for Moderator ApprovalviaCommand Line
Thank you for the help Mark.
It looks like the request.pck worked.
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On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
Phil wrote:
Mark,
Thanks for the help. When I tried to run the database dump, it looks like
it might be encrypted. Does this look right to you?
Thanks
Phil.
[- start pickle file -]
- start object 1 -
{ '0b9e53af60a8139e94986c07bcd3b092a0e5a26c': ('H', 10),
'9dc482c780b8131cf518d6908b580e69dcdb36ee': ('H', 11),
'a4820f58310f6f028ed5cdd2eaad0e407ac3dfa9': ('H', 9),
'evictions': { '0b9e53af60a8139e94986c07bcd3b092a0e5a26c':
1313195808.891789,
'9dc482c780b8131cf518d6908b580e69dcdb36ee':
1313281235.9221661,
'a4820f58310f6f028ed5cdd2eaad0e407ac3dfa9':
1313173460.4197421},
'version': 2}
[- end pickle file -]
My mistake. I meant to say dump request.pck, not pending.pck. The dump
above of pending.pck shows 3 held messages keyed by the confirmation
cookie that could be used to discard the message. The newest of these
cookies expired at 1313281235.9221661 = Sat Aug 13 17:20:35 2011.
The dump of request.pck shows the records that are waiting moderator
action and should look as I described.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
First run
/path/to/mailman/bin/dumpdb /path/to/mailman/lists/LISTNAME/pending.pck
Should be request.pck, not pending.pck.
This will report something like
[- start pickle file -]
- start object 1 -
{ 104: ( 2,
( 1318366634.8118629,
'u...@example.com',
'User Name',
'tuufwuge',
False,
'en')),
'version': (0, 1)}
[- end pickle file -]
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Remove Members waiting for Moderator Approval viaCommand Line
Mark,
Thanks for the help. When I tried to run the database dump, it looks like
it might be encrypted. Does this look right to you?
Thanks
Phil.
[- start pickle file -]
- start object 1 -
{ '0b9e53af60a8139e94986c07bcd3b092a0e5a26c': ('H', 10),
'9dc482c780b8131cf518d6908b580e69dcdb36ee': ('H', 11),
'a4820f58310f6f028ed5cdd2eaad0e407ac3dfa9': ('H', 9),
'evictions': { '0b9e53af60a8139e94986c07bcd3b092a0e5a26c':
1313195808.891789,
'9dc482c780b8131cf518d6908b580e69dcdb36ee':
1313281235.9221661,
'a4820f58310f6f028ed5cdd2eaad0e407ac3dfa9':
1313173460.4197421},
'version': 2}
[- end pickle file -]
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On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:
Phil wrote:
I'm trying to kill a pending subscription to a mailing list via the
command
line because the domain owner forgot to register the main domain of our
site
and we can't approve/deny membership via the web admin interface.
I've tried to remove the e-mail address pending approval via the
remove_members command and it seem to only react to active and approved
members of a mailing list.
That's correct. remove_members only removes members. A pending
subscription is not (yet) a member.
Is there a way to approve / deny a pending user request via shell?
Do you mean a subscription request that is waiting moderator approval
because subscribe_policy is 'Require approval' or 'Confirm and
approve' or one that is waiting user confirmation because
subscribe_policy is 'Confirm' or 'Confirm and approve'? It seems you
mean the former.
Deleting a subscription waiting approval is a multi step process with
existing tools.
First run
/path/to/mailman/bin/dumpdb /path/to/mailman/lists/LISTNAME/pending.pck
This will report something like
[- start pickle file -]
- start object 1 -
{ 104: ( 2,
( 1318366634.8118629,
'u...@example.com',
'User Name',
'tuufwuge',
False,
'en')),
'version': (0, 1)}
[- end pickle file -]
There may be more entries than above, but those other than
'version': (0, 1)
are all pending requests of some kind. Each will have a numeric key,
104 in the above followed by a 2-tuple consisting of a number
indicating the request type (1 for a held message, 2 for a held
subscription or 3 for a held unsubscription) and a tuple of
information the format of which depends on the type.
You are interested in type 2 as above and the information tuple is
(time stamp, e-mail address, real name, password, digest flag,
language). Find the key(s) of the one(s) you want to discard, in the
example above, 104.
Then run
/path/to/mailman/bin/withlist -l LISTNAME
which will respond
Loading list LISTNAME (locked)
The variable `m' is the LISTNAME MailList instance
at the prompts, type
from Mailman.mm_cfg import DISCARD
m.HandleRequest(104, DISCARD)
(Use the key from your request instead of 104 - this should not print
any error. You can repeat the above multiple times with other keys if
you have more that one request to discard.)
m.Save()
(This is important to save the state of the list.)
- at this prompt type control-D to exit which should respond
Unlocking (but not saving) list: LISTNAME
Finalizing
The discards will be logged in Mailman's vette log.
The above method can be used to discard a held message, but Mailman's
bin/discard is simpler.
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[Mailman-Users] Remove Members waiting for Moderator Approval via Command Line
I'm sorry if this was posted elsewhere - I've been unable to find an answer. I also realized I originated this e-mail from an account not associated with the mailing list. This e-mail is from a subscribed mailman-user account. I'm trying to kill a pending subscription to a mailing list via the command line because the domain owner forgot to register the main domain of our site and we can't approve/deny membership via the web admin interface. I've tried to remove the e-mail address pending approval via the remove_members command and it seem to only react to active and approved members of a mailing list. Is there a way to approve / deny a pending user request via shell? Thanks for the help Phil / w2lie Monitor Long Island, Inc. http://www.monitorlongisland.com | W2LIE.nethttp://www.w2lie.net| LongIslandFirePhotos.com http://www.LongIslandFirePhotos.com http://www.w2lie.net/charity -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Message Body missing from Yahoo Mail users
Hi All, I'm sorry if this was posted earlier, but I didn't see it in my searches through the archives. It seems like every one of the members on my Mailman server who use Yahoo for their mail are missing the main body of the e-mail sent to the group. I am using Python 2.1.14 on a CentOS VPS. I have the list using a non-digest and digest options sent out as HTML. My non-digest Header and Footer are both defined, and both come in just fine in a Yahoo e-mail. Again, the body (between header and footer) are missing from the e-mail. I have also noticed this issue when I read the same e-mail on my own account which is hosted on the VPS if I read with SquirrelMail instead of using Roundcube. Is there anyway to fix this so that my Yahoo members can read the message bodies? No other users on other e-mail providers have complained to me as of yet. Also - messages are in tact in the Archive's. They are in text form and have html stripped from the messages. Thank you for the help. -- Phil / w2lie Monitor Long Island, Inc. | W2LIE.net | LongIslandFirePhotos.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Message Body missing from Yahoo Mail users
Mark, Thanks for the answer, but I'm having problems with *NON-Digest* users. I don't know if anything will change if those with NON-DIGEST issues convert to text only Digests. As far as your reply about Digests and MIME, yes - I see issues when I read digests on my iphone. The message comes in fine when reading via Thunderbird, HORDE, SquirrelMail or RoundCube. At least that I can confirm it is a browser problem. Thanks again Phil On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: Phil wrote: It seems like every one of the members on my Mailman server who use Yahoo for their mail are missing the main body of the e-mail sent to the group. I am using Python 2.1.14 on a CentOS VPS. I have the list using a non-digest and digest options sent out as HTML. I assume you mean the digests are MIME format as opposed to plain. My non-digest Header and Footer are both defined, and both come in just fine in a Yahoo e-mail. Again, the body (between header and footer) are missing from the e-mail. I have also noticed this issue when I read the same e-mail on my own account which is hosted on the VPS if I read with SquirrelMail instead of using Roundcube. Is there anyway to fix this so that my Yahoo members can read the message bodies? The MIME format digest contains each message in an individual, 'attached' message/rfc822 part. Depending on the exact MIME structure of the messages themselves, many web mail and phone clients do a horrible job of rendering these messages. This is a problem with the web mail application or the phone client. The digest sent by Mailman is completely compliant with section 5.1.5 of RFC 2046 http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2046.txt. Yahoo mail should at least show a bunch of attachment links for the individual messages which could be downloaded and read, but this is not very satisfactory. The options for Yahoo users are as follows: 1) Complain to Yahoo and wait (years?, centuries?, forever?) for them to fix it. 2) Switch to plain format digests which will contain the 'flattened' message text similar to what appears in the archive. 3) Subscribe to Yahoo Mail Plus to enable pop3 access to Yahoo mail and read mail with a MIME compliant mail client. 4) Subscribe to the digest with a non-Yahoo address. 5) Download messages of interest and read them locally. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Message Body missing from Yahoo Mail users
So as you said earlier, forcing my Yahoo users to select Digest only with plain text should get them around this problem? My list only has a few members in this boat. And I need to have both header and footers so the older members and not so computer elite members understand they are part of a CC list and that the e-mails are not directed at them, but a group as a whole. Thanks again for the info. Phil On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: Phil wrote: Thanks for the answer, but I'm having problems with *NON-Digest* users. I don't know if anything will change if those with NON-DIGEST issues convert to text only Digests. Sorry. I was distracted by your reference to digest options sent out as HTML and didn't fully comprehend your problem. No, nothing will change if the non-digest members switch to 'plain'. The plain/MIME setting affects only digests and is irrelevant for non-digest members. As far as the problem with individual messages sent to Yahoo members is concerned, This is still a Yahoo issue The basic problem is that the post is not simple plain text (probably it is at least multipart/alternative, even after content filtering if any) so the msg_header and msg_footer can't simply be added to the message body, but have to be added as separate MIME parts and Yahoo mail is not doing a good job of rendering the resultant message. This issue is discussed in some detail in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9. You may be able to avoid or mitigate the issue by not having a msg_header, but this may not be satisfactory for other reasons. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -- Phil / w2lie Monitor Long Island, Inc. | W2LIE.net | LongIslandFirePhotos.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] .htaccess protection of archives
Hi all, I'd like to protect my mailing list archives behind some .htaccess protection, but my mailman installation is a central one which serves a number of different websites. I was thinking I could get around this by using a script to automate a log in to the archives and then scraping the results back to my .htaccess protected folder. I'm using GET variables to use the subscription page at the moment (adding adminpw=PASSWORD onto the end of the url) and was wondering if there was anything similar that I could do with the archives? Alternatively, if anyone can think of another way to get the archives behind a .htaccess wall I'd be keen to hear! Thanks all, Phil -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] .htaccess protection of archives
I'd like to avoid using the standard private archives because that would require users to log in a second time, with a second username and password. I'm attempting to hide everything behind a single .htaccess wall. The other reason is that the users are currently being signed up by an automated script, which does it silently, so they are not getting any welcome messages and will not know what their subscription password is. I'll have a go using ?password=PASSWORD and see where I get to... Cheers, Phil Mark Sapiro wrote: Phil Ewels wrote: I'd like to protect my mailing list archives behind some .htaccess protection, but my mailman installation is a central one which serves a number of different websites. Why not just use private archives? You could use a .htaccess file to prevent access by URL if you really don't want public access at all. Then all archive access would have to be through Mailman/Cgi/private.py. I was thinking I could get around this by using a script to automate a log in to the archives and then scraping the results back to my .htaccess protected folder. I'm using GET variables to use the subscription page at the moment (adding adminpw=PASSWORD onto the end of the url) and was wondering if there was anything similar that I could do with the archives? If for some reason Mailman's private archive authentication is not satisfactory and you want to bypass the login page, you can append ?password=PASSWORD (where PASSWORD is a list admin or moderator or site admin password) to any private archive URL. Alternatively, if anyone can think of another way to get the archives behind a .htaccess wall I'd be keen to hear! If I understood the desired end result, I might be able to suggest more. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] .htaccess protection of archives
So everyone will be using the same login details for the .htaccess protection (it's a fairly small group of users who need to access these pages, who all trust each other and having one login for all saves a lot of hassle). So no dynamic modification needed (if I understand you correctly). Users will be subscribed to a maximum of four lists, but I'd like them to be able to browse the archives of all of them. In other words, have the mailing lists behave as if they have public archive access, but behind a .htaccess wall to prevent Joe Bloggs from reading the lists. This may get overly complicated, so I might just create a dummy account and publicise the login details on a page protected by .htaccess. Messy but easy. Phil Mark Sapiro wrote: Phil Ewels wrote: I'd like to avoid using the standard private archives because that would require users to log in a second time, with a second username and password. I'm attempting to hide everything behind a single .htaccess wall. OK, but I don't think dynamically modifying .htaccess can work. What if you have two 'disjoint' users trying to browse different archives concurrently? Or were you thinking of per-list .htaccess modified by your subscribe process? The other reason is that the users are currently being signed up by an automated script, which does it silently, so they are not getting any welcome messages and will not know what their subscription password is. I'll have a go using ?password=PASSWORD and see where I get to... OK -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] .htaccess protection of archives
Ah, so this is what I initially thought, but the problem with that is my installation of Mailman - it is a central installation which serves lists to a whole range of different domains, so putting a .htaccess restriction in the archives folder would then stop access to the archives for all of my other websites. Mark Sapiro wrote: Phil Ewels wrote: So everyone will be using the same login details for the .htaccess protection (it's a fairly small group of users who need to access these pages, who all trust each other and having one login for all saves a lot of hassle). So no dynamic modification needed (if I understand you correctly). Then I don't understand what I was thinking I could get around this by using a script to automate a log in to the archives and then scraping the results back to my .htaccess protected folder. means. Unless, maybe it means that the .htaccess only allows access by IP and you'd be updating that. Users will be subscribed to a maximum of four lists, but I'd like them to be able to browse the archives of all of them. In other words, have the mailing lists behave as if they have public archive access, but behind a .htaccess wall to prevent Joe Bloggs from reading the lists. So just have public archives and put the .htaccess in either /path/to/mailman/archives/private/ or /path/to/mailman/archives/public/ - either one should do it as long as you have AllowOverride explicitly or implicitly on the directory. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Adding users with cron - permission problems
Thanks for the help everyone! I think I've just found the answer I was looking for via Marks link - using PHP to scrape a direct subscribe url: http://domain.com/mailman/admin/listname/members/add?subscribe_or_invite=0send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch=0notification_to_list_owner=0subscribees_upload=email-addressadminpw=adminpassword http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030567 No cron / special permissions needed! Cheers, Phil Mark Sapiro wrote: Phil Ewels wrote: To test, I've been running this cron command: echo t...@testing.co.uk | /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/add_members -r - info Where info is the listname (i...@nanotp.org) I get the following error: Traceback (most recent call last): [...] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/locks/info.lock.hephaestus.safeukdns.net.24247.0' [...] Can anyone suggest a way to get around this problem? Or an alternative method of automating signups (they can be totally silent). I have tried a similar method using the PHP exec() command to hit the same program but had similar permission problems. These commands must be run by root or a member of Mailman's group. Put your add_members command (if you can) in the Mailman user's crontab or a system crontab with the mailman user as it's user. Another way to do this is to create a SETGID wrapper to run the commands. See the members.c program attached to the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/uIA9 for an example. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Adding users with cron - permission problems
Hi all, I have a registration form where users, amongst other things, choose a number of mailing lists to sign up to. I don't want users to have to go and individually sign up to each list, so I'm trying to automate the signup process. After doing a bit of reading around, the closest I've got is to generate a plaintext file of email addresses for each newsletter and then use a cron command to sign these up, using the add_users program. To test, I've been running this cron command: echo t...@testing.co.uk | /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/add_members -r - info Where info is the listname (i...@nanotp.org) I get the following error: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/add_members, line 258, in ? main() File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/add_members, line 211, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname) File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 128, in __init__ self.Lock() File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 161, in Lock self.__lock.lock(timeout) File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py, line 243, in lock self.__write() File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py, line 422, in __write fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/locks/info.lock.hephaestus.safeukdns.net.24247.0' I tried check_perms -f and get the same error: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/check_perms -f Warning: Private archive directory is other-executable (o+x). This could allow other users on your system to read private archives. If you're on a shared multiuser system, you should consult the installation manual on how to fix this. Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/check_perms, line 399, in ? checkarchivedbs() File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/check_perms, line 258, in checkarchivedbs for dir in os.listdir(mm_cfg.PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR): OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/archives/private' Can anyone suggest a way to get around this problem? Or an alternative method of automating signups (they can be totally silent). I have tried a similar method using the PHP exec() command to hit the same program but had similar permission problems. Cheers, Phil -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] How to Re-write the To field.
I've got one-way list, which is getting its data for distribution from an upstream system by mail which bcc's my list. As such the To: field appears as : To: undisclosed-recipients: ; this is mostly harmless, except for 1) people who reply-all (since the reply-to field I set properly) 2) aesthetic reasons 3) people who subscribe to the list but have filters which cause the messages they want to be discarded or interpreted as spam. I have no power to change the upstream system, and what influence I have would take many months at best to bear fruit. So I would like to be able to make the To: field be something of my choosing but it seems I've just reached beyond the limits of the configurability/scope of mailman. I have read the various admonitions that mailman is not a CRM system and trawled the FAQ, but I haven't come up with anything. Ideas? -phil. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Unable to Create New Lists
My thanks to Dan Phillips, Mark Sapiro and any others who pointed out (correctly) that I needed fully qualified domain names for several items in mm_cfg.py. My problem evaporated after I changed DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'bashful' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'bashful' DEFAULT_URL_HOST - 'bashful' To DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'bashful.troxlerlabs.local' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'bashful.troxlerlabs.local' DEFAULT_URL_HOST - 'bashful.troxlerlabs.local' Thanks again. Phil -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Unable to Create New Lists
I am unable to create new lists with either the web interface or the newlist script. However, I can post to my existing lists, and the posts go out to list subscribers. Failed attempts yield this message: Error: Unknown virtual host: [EMAIL PROTECTED] my mm_cfg.py file contains: DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/ DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'bashful' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'bashful' DEFAULT_URL_HOST - 'bashful' add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) I did run the fix_url script against my existing lists. I see no evidence of problems when I run the check_perms and check_db scripts. My hostname (physical and virtual [see below]) is bashful.troxlerlabs.local I have stopped and restarted the qrunner. I should mention that my setup includes Postfix and Apache running in the same host. All this is in a SUSE Linux 10.2 virtual machine with NAT and ports 25 and 80 forwarded to their respective applications. This virtual machine worked fine on a different host, pfonvillepc2 (with pfonvillepc2 substituted for all instances of bashful) before moving it to bashful. I have looked for posts and FAQs for similar problem(s) but couldn't find any. Would be grateful for any help. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Unadverti*** lists
I understand how to make a list not show up on the mailing list overview page by setting the privacy option-- Advertise this list to NO. However, I do not understand why this causes the list to no longer show up on the Admin Links page. As Site administrator, I want to easily see all the lists. How can I make them all show on up the Admin Links page? If that is not possible, how can I see a listing of all the lists? I cannot find an answer in the FAQs. Using ver 2.1.9 Phil Philip Arcuni Chairman, Information Technology Committee United States Power Squadrons -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Internet Service Providers and Spam
Brad, Thank you for your insightful response. Still trying to work with the ISP postmaster. Thanks again, Phil Philip Arcuni Chairman, Information Technology Committee United States Power Squadrons - Original Message - From: Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phil usps [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Users List Mailman Mailman-Users@python.org Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Internet Service Providers and Spam At 9:08 AM -0400 2006-05-09, Phil usps wrote: We are in the middle of a contest with a very large, popular, and well-established ISP, who insists on declaring as spam, any message sent to more than 100 of its customers. Since it is spam, it is automatically bounced, and hundreds of our list members not only do not receive the message, the Mailman bounce features handle the bounce action as instructed. This can lead to disable or discard. All your attempts to work around this problem are likely to result in more pain and hassle for you. If the messages are legitimate, you need to work with the ISP in question. If they refuse to do that, then cut them loose and tell everyone who is a customer of that ISP that they are not welcome on your lists. If you do anything else, said ISP is likely to consider your efforts to be the same as any regular spammer that tries to by-pass their anti-spam efforts, and will treat this as proof that you are, in fact, spamming their members. Yes, this includes AOL, Yahoo!, hotmail, and all the others. Yes, I was Sr. Internet Mail Administrator for AOL, and I have personal experience from the other side. I know how they work. That's part of why I don't work there anymore. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Internet Service Providers and Spam
We are in the middle of a contest with a very large, popular, and well-established ISP, who insists on declaring as spam, any message sent to more than 100 of its customers. Since it is spam, it is automatically bounced, and hundreds of our list members not only do not receive the message, the Mailman bounce features handle the bounce action as instructed. This can lead to disable or discard. One obvious way to circumvent the problem is to manually split the list into parts and create, a list of lists. This will work OK with a one-way list, but seems much more complicated with a two-way (discussion) list. Short of trying to chase our list members to a different ISP, does anyone have a suggestion on how to split a discussion list? Negotiations with the ISP are not proceeding satisfactorily, in spite of our server being on his White List, and messages on other lists, with fewer addresses, are going through. Currently use v 2.0.5, and planning a switch to v2.1.x when we switch servers. Philip Arcuni Chairman, Information Technology Committee Mail List Administrator -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Mail List Password
I have forgotten the password to one of my mail lists. For the life of me I can't seem to find a way to reset the password. Any help? The control panel would be Plesk 7 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] plugins
Are there any mailman plug-ins for: To allow the mailman database to hold other information (like the addresses, phone numbers, billing codes, etc.) To send faxes via Mailman ? ¿ __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] OK, hopefully an easy question
I have a mail list that keeps stopping messages because the poster has too many recipients The posts are fine with me, how do I allow them to pass without me approving them? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] is it possible to have the admin get approval email whenever new email to list is sent or whenever a new user subscribes?
is it possible to have the admin get approval email whenever new email to list is sent or whenever a new user subscribes? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] mailman-2.1.5.gz contains Exploit-MIME.gen According to McAfee
FYI I just installed McAfee and as it ran through my MS Windows XP files, the only file it found to contain a virus is mailman-2.1.5.gz. Although I have installed it on my Linux server, I typically download to my XP workstation and then upload to my server both as a backup and/or when I don't know the URL so as to use wget. Best Regards, Phil Welch Phil Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (714) 717-7922 - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] please ignore help request - problem solved
upgrade-related permissions issues. Thanks! -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Danish support in Mailman
Hello, I was glad to see that Danish was announced in the supported languages in version 2.1.3. However, after installing and configuring this version on our servers, I discovered that: - the translation is incomplete - the templates/da directory is not included, I had to retrieve it manually from CVS - part of the messages are in Norwegian, mixed with danish - there is a large amount of spelling mistakes Now, I'm not here to criticize the effort that went into this, but it is misleading, and tarnishing for the reputation of mailman, to announce support for a given language when it obviously is not complete. I will do my best to submit patches for Danish as time allows. Sincerely, Phil -- _ _ |_ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] catpipe Systems ApS | (_(_||_ | *BSD solutions, consulting, development | | Tlf.: +45 7021 0050 http://www.catpipe.net/ | -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] Clear Instructions for Vistual Domains
I agree. If someone has a guide for this please point us in the right direction. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian Kornhauser Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 6:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mailman-Users] Clear Instructions for Vistual Domains Hi! PLEASE there in no clear documentation about how to set up a use mailman with virtual domains (having separate lists site for each virtual domain on the same host). If there is a HOWTO PLESE just point me there. PLEASE!!! -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] vanishing messages, v2.1.2
Hi all, An odd problem ... A hosting company provides me with Mailman 2.1.2 lists and web admin tools. I've created lists of about 5 subscribers and sent messages to subscribers with no problems. I then do a bulk load of about 40 addresses. After this, if I create a message and send it to the list it appears in the archives as expected, but it *doesnt* arrive at the recipient addresses (and without shell access I cant see where the messages stall). Once Ive attempted this, everyone's bounce score is 1.0, but the administrators arent being emailed about the bounces. But if I reply to a message sent via the list before the bulk load, then this new reply behaves correctly, ie it appears in the archive and *is* sent to all recipients. Also if I post from an unsubscribed address and approve the post as moderator, that post behaves correctly. Any idea whats going on? Why would the reply-to's and moderator posts make it through but not the new posts? thanks ... Phil -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] membership management problems with MM 2.1.2
Hi, I have just installed MM 2.1.2 on a new machine (OS 10.2 Server) after using 2.0.12 successfully for more than a year. Everything seems to be working ok, except for the membership management portion of the web-based interface. Specifically, if I try to modify any of the information in the membership list (e.g., unsubscribe a current member), the submission does not generate an error but when the form is re-rendered the change(s) has not taken effect. In contrast, if I try to subscribe a new user, after clicking Submit I get an internal server error (subscribing users from the command line works ok). My assumption is that this is a permissions issue wrt the cgi scripts and/or the /cgi-bin directory, although running check_perms finds no problems. I have looked through the FAQs and the list archives, and although I have found some potentially relevant postings, none of them have led to a solution in my case. If someone could point me in a promising direction and/or indicate what exactly I should be focusing on in my troubleshooting efforts, I would be most grateful. Thanks, -- Phil Schumm -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
I am as well. For one clients' lists I cnamed lists.client.com to mail.nxtek.net, the server that hosts Mailman. Right now the host_name is mail.nxtek.net. Is that what I change to lists.client.com? Do I also have to add lists.client.com to local-host-names? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Thoene Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 5:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains Hi, Does anyone subscribed to the list have mailman working with virtual domains? 1 IP, multiple domains, multiple url's? If so, can you possible point me to a howto on it? I'm having a terrible time getting it to work. -- Regards, Matt -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailma n-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% 40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman -users/phil%40nxtek.net -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Post approval
I'm running Mailman-2.1.1. I have a message to one of my closed lists from a non-member that I want to approve. It's less than an hour old, and the confirmation request is sitting in my mailbox this very moment. Problem is, (1) it doesn't show up on the list's admindb page, (2) if I try to approve it via email, MailMan tells me the confirmation string is invalid or has expired. Any suggestions, anyone? -- .* Fight Back! It may not be just YOUR life at risk. *. : phil stracchino : unix ronin : renaissance man : mystic zen biker geek : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : 2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold) : :Linux Now! ...Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft.: -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Virtual List Hosting
I've been searching the docs and archives for an hour and can't find much info on this. Please add this to a FAQ or something. :) I'm running Mailman and Sendmail. Currently all my hosted lists are setup at mailer.nxtek.net. I have several clients who either want their lists at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone point me to a step by step guide or tell me how to go about this? My attempts were unsuccessful to say the least. :) Thanks! -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Searching for an Address
Is there any way to search all my hosted lists for a single Email account (to see which one(s) they're subscribed to)? I host about 150 and would rather not search each one. :) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Feature Request?
Where/to whom can I submit a feature request? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Feature Request - Was RE: Subscriber List?
Details below. Thanks! -Original Message- From: Phil Iovino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:52 AM To: 'Dan Wright US2002021042' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber List? I've had a few replies about this and need to clarify my question. I know that command exists with shell access. Is there a way for a list owner to do it through their web interface? If not, is there a script that can do it? -Original Message- From: Dan Wright US2002021042 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:14 PM To: Phil Iovino Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber List? Yes. From the commandline interface ~/mailman/bin/list_members On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 12:24, Phil Iovino wrote: Is there any way to get a full subscriber list of a given list without having to click on every letter in the alphabet in the admin? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request - Was RE: Subscriber List?
Yeah I saw that. Is there any way to make it available to the list owner only? I don't want any subscriber to access it for obvious reasons. -Original Message- From: Jon Carnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:24 PM To: Phil Iovino Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request - Was RE: Subscriber List? Check out the list-member dump that is a part of the list's listinfo page. This is available if turned on by the list admin. On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 16:53, Phil Iovino wrote: Details below. Thanks! -Original Message- From: Phil Iovino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:52 AM To: 'Dan Wright US2002021042' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber List? I've had a few replies about this and need to clarify my question. I know that command exists with shell access. Is there a way for a list owner to do it through their web interface? If not, is there a script that can do it? -Original Message- From: Dan Wright US2002021042 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:14 PM To: Phil Iovino Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber List? Yes. From the commandline interface ~/mailman/bin/list_members On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 12:24, Phil Iovino wrote: Is there any way to get a full subscriber list of a given list without having to click on every letter in the alphabet in the admin? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% 40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman -users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber List?
I've had a few replies about this and need to clarify my question. I know that command exists with shell access. Is there a way for a list owner to do it through their web interface? If not, is there a script that can do it? -Original Message- From: Dan Wright US2002021042 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:14 PM To: Phil Iovino Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber List? Yes. From the commandline interface ~/mailman/bin/list_members On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 12:24, Phil Iovino wrote: Is there any way to get a full subscriber list of a given list without having to click on every letter in the alphabet in the admin? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Subscriber List?
Is there any way to get a full subscriber list of a given list without having to click on every letter in the alphabet in the admin? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber List?
Is there a way a list owner can do it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Kercher Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber List? ~mailman/bin/list_members listname -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Iovino Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber List? Is there any way to get a full subscriber list of a given list without having to click on every letter in the alphabet in the admin? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailma n-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% 40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mike%40ca maross.net -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users% 40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/phil%40nxtek.net -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Getting those pesky addresses and URLs right
After much experimentation, I've discovered that the best I can do seems
to be a situation in which the list mailto addresses and URLs are
correct if I create a list with bin/newlist, but will be wrong if
created through the web interface.
I have the following settings:
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'caerllewys.net'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.caerllewys.net'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
add_virtualhost('caerllewys.net','www.caerllewys.net')
VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0
If I create a list with newlist, I get...
-
To post to this list, send your email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
General information about the mailing list is at:
http://www.caerllewys.net/mailman/listinfo/test
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...etc, and all the addresses and URLs in the headers are likewise
correct...
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List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Subscribe: http://www.caerllewys.net/mailman/listinfo/test,
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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However, if I create my list through the web interface, I get instead
something like this...
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To post to this list, send your email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
General information about the mailing list is at:
http://caerllewys.net/mailman/listinfo/test2
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...and the headers look like this...
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List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Subscribe: http://caerllewys.net/mailman/listinfo/test2,
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Can anyone:
(1) offer a theory as to why this disparity should be present?
(2) offer any suggestions for how to fix it?
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: 2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold) :
:Linux Now! ...Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft.:
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[Mailman-Users] 2.1 install glitches
I finally got Mailman-2.1.1 doing what I want, but a certain amount of trial and error in the data directory was involved. It appears if you have a umask set when you install it, you will end up with incorrect and non-working permissions on data/aliases and data/aliases.db. -- .* Fight Back! It may not be just YOUR life at risk. *. : phil stracchino : unix ronin : renaissance man : mystic zen biker geek : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : 2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold) : :Linux Now! ...Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft.: -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 install glitches
One more question, if people will bear with me My Postfix mailserver answers (for now) to both smtp.babcom.com and smtp.caerllewys.net, and accepts mail for both. Apache likewise serves both www.babcom.com and www.caerllewys.net. I want my lists to have mail addresses such as [EMAIL PROTECTED], rather than smtp.caerllewys.net, but I want the service page URLs to be http://www.caerllewys.net/... rather than just http://caerllewys.net/... I can get the first part of this equation, but I can't get Mailman to consistently do the second. I attach a sample for your perusal: List-Id: moo-wizards.caerllewys.net List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://caerllewys.net/mailman/listinfo/moo-wizards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://www.caerllewys.net/pipermail/moo-wizards List-Unsubscribe: http://caerllewys.net/mailman/listinfo/moo-wizards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 12:31:53AM -0500, Phil Stracchino wrote: Test ___ Moo-wizards mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://caerllewys.net/mailman/listinfo/moo-wizards Note that List-Archive is http://www.caerllewys.net/pipermail/moo-wizards, but every other URL is just http://caerllewys.net/mailman/... What magic invocation do I need to use to fix this? I've tried everything I can think of, and I'm baffled. What am I missing? -- .* Fight Back! It may not be just YOUR life at risk. *. : phil stracchino : unix ronin : renaissance man : mystic zen biker geek : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : 2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold) : :Linux Now! ...Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft.: -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Multiple-domain Mailman question
I think I may be trying to do something unsupported. I just upgraded my Mailman installation from v2.0.6 to v2.1.1, and at the same time I'm preparing to switch my mail delivery domain over from babcom.com to caerllewys.net. The webserver still advertises as www.babcom.com (although it answers to www.caerllewys.net as well). Is there a defined way to migrate my existing Mailman lists from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]? I *also* want the lists to appear on the main Mailman listinfo page regardless of whether the listinfo page is invoked as http://www.babcom.com/mailman/listinfo or as http://www.caerllewys.net/mailman/listinfo. Is this possible? -- .* Fight Back! It may not be just YOUR life at risk. *. : phil stracchino : unix ronin : renaissance man : mystic zen biker geek : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : 2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold) : :Linux Now! ...Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft.: -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] upgrade
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:04:13AM +0100, Andreas Moxnes wrote: hello, i've received a dump of different lists and archives from an older mailman version (don't know which version). i've installed mailman2.1, copied the lists to the mailman dir and used the ./bin/fix_url.py. Hmmm... I suspect this fix_url.py may be part of the answer to my own question. I'll look into it and see if it helps. -- .* Fight Back! It may not be just YOUR life at risk. *. : phil stracchino : unix ronin : renaissance man : mystic zen biker geek : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : 2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold) : :Linux Now! ...Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft.: -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on QMail with Closed Relay
I've been checking the qmail logs and it looks like it doesn't even try to send messages off the server, I just see sending to local. Any idea what other logs I could check? -Phil Grimpo -Original Message- From: Al Sparks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 12:35 PM To: Phil Grimpo Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on QMail with Closed Relay Actually, I was going by the documentation in Life with qmail by Dave Sill. His way to configures tcpserver a little different. I hadn't realized there was a more generic file structure for tcpserver in use. To ensure that tcpserver is accessing the right database file, do a ps -auxw | egrep tcpserver and see what the -x switch is set to. If it's tcserver -x /etc/tcprules.d/qmail-smtp.cdb and that's the name of your database file, then you're doing the right thing. I would also do a man tcprules to make sure the formatting and syntax of your tcprules file is correct. Lastly (or firstly), check the qmail logs and see if there's any errors in sending out messages. === Al --- Phil Grimpo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not have a tcp.smtp file, but do have /etc/tcprules.d/ and did put the entry in qmail-smtp and rebuilt the database. Do I need to have tcp.smtp also? -Grimps -Original Message- From: Al Sparks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 5:25 PM To: Phil Grimpo Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on QMail with Closed Relay --- Phil Grimpo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently closed my open relay in QMail and now Mailman will only send to users who have mailboxes on the local machine. It will not send 'off-site'. I have the IP of the local machine in the qmail-smtp file. Any ideas on what might have gotten messed up that this no longer works? -Grimps Just to confirm, you have placed the entry in /etc/tcp.smtp and then ran # tcprules /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb /etc/tcp.smtp.tmp /etc/tcp.smtp to update the database file? Also, it's qmail not QMail === Al __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Questions about my logs.
Ive noticed that members are constantly coming up as nomail marked next to their name. I checked the bounce log and Im seeing a lot of errors like 1 more allowed over 431930 secs What does that mean? I am noticing a serious CNAME lookup error in qmail (if anyone has insight on that, Id like to know. Nearly every e-mail comes up with that error) so Im guessing e-mail is bouncing and after x bounces it gets disabled? Is this correct? Also, what does the error mean: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not a member? Thanks! -Phil Grimpo
[Mailman-Users] Messages not getting sent off the server.
Ive got a situation where I had to make some IP changes to my network. Now when Mailman gets requests, theyll get archived and sent to local clients on the Linux box, but mail will not get sent out. Im running Mailman on top of QMail. Any ideas? The logs arent showing anything unusual. -Grimps
[Mailman-Users] Mailman on QMail with Closed Relay
I recently closed my open relay in QMail and now Mailman will only send to users who have mailboxes on the local machine. It will not send off-site. I have the IP of the local machine in the qmail-smtp file. Any ideas on what might have gotten messed up that this no longer works? -Grimps
[Mailman-Users] setting up an outgoing-only list?
Would Mailman be appropriate for an outgoing-only style list? I'd like to the it to send newsletters and announcements, but not allow others to post. I would be subscribing the members directly, from a list generated by a database. I would allow members to unsubscribe themselves via an email or the web interface. They would not be able to do anything else from the web interface, since none of the other features of a regular discussion list would be available. I figure that allowing the administrator to be the only poster would solve most of the issues. Maybe Mailman is overkill for this? I like the ability to administer membership from the admin page, and to use it as a delivery agent. If anyone is doing this, I'd appreciate any wisdom you've accumulated as far as configuration. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Help for a Newbie!
Title: Message I am brand new at this and am setting up a mail list. I have run into a problem that may be my stupidity, but I can't figure it out. If someone posts something to a mail list that is off (rude, defamatory, illegal) I want to be able to delete the entry from the archive. I also want to delete all my "test messages" before I bring other people into the mail list. I have searched the FAQ's and although python.org FAQs includes an entry on removing a post (3.3), the solution depends on running a script or command. I have no idea how to do that or even how to find the archive (other than through the normal web browser interface). Can anyone give me some basic (noddy language) clues as to how to do this? Phil
[Mailman-Users] Slow DNS causes backup in qfiles/ dir
Hello, I'm new to this list, a longtime mailman user, and now breaking myself in as a Mailman administrator. I run a list with about 2200 members[1], it runs on a FreeBSD box, with Postfix 1.1.2 and Mailman 2.0.10. The problem: on occasion Mailman stops sending mail, and files back up in the qfiles/ dir. In this case it was not, as suggested elsewhere[2], a cron problem. After taking a long look at smtp-failure, it seems that when a email's hostname can't be resolved, it results in a long delay in processing a message (3 minutes or more). With a 4 or 5 of these messages in the qfiles/ dir, the qrunner process get stuck behind these non-resolving messages, and never gets around to processing the other messages in the queue before it times out. I believe I've diagnosed the problem correctly. But I'm unsure of how to resolve it. Currently, I check on the list on occasion, and when I see that smtp-failure is logging bad email addresses, I turn off mail delivery for that address, clear the problem files from qfiles/. [I tried unsubscribing bad addresses, but that generated a unsubscribe notice, which would go into the queue, and cause more problems...] Then the queue unclogs. I generally have to discard the problem messages because if I put them back in. they just clog the qfiles/ directory again. Taking a closer look at the the email addresses that failed, if I do a $host baddomain.com it takes more than a minute before it comes back with 'Host not found, try again.' So my questions are: 1. Have other people experienced this, and what did you do? 2. If I'm not alone in this problem, is there some way of solving this via Mailman or my system? It seems wrong to have to go in by hand every 4-5 days to clear out bad files. DNS seems to be spotty these days, and it's not just the little guys. mx2.eudoramail.com went down last week, which caused another clog-up. Any advice is appreciated. Cheers, Phil Suh [1] http://cms-list.org/ [2] http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-April/018982.html GPG [ Key Id: 0x1E766390 | http://filsa.net/about/keys/ ] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Help please?
Dear Mailman users, Thanks again to all those who answered me last time. I am still trying to install ver 2.0.10 on a virtual host. I have managed to get Mailman to create lists and send admin and welcome messages etc, the GUI works fine with my cgi, but I cannot get the program to receive email from aliases it creates. So if I create a list xyz, I can subscribe people ok, but I cannot send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and have Mailman redistribute it to the xyz list. I have had my ISP support update the test alias like this test:|/home/phil/philgraham-www/mailman/mail/wrapper post test test-admin: |/home/phil/philgraham-www/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test test-request:|/home/phil/philgraham-www/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test test-owner: test-admin and then run new aliases (I don't have root permissions so have to get support to do this). Still no luck. Any suggestions are much appreciated. Thanks. Best regards, Phil Apache 1.3.12 Linux Redhat Version 6.1 Perl5.6.0 PHP4.0.3 GCC2.7 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Help please?
Dear Mailman users, I am trying to install ver 2.0.10. I have managed to get Mailman to create lists and send admin messages, the GUI works fine with my cgi, but I cannot get the program to recognise email aliases it creates. So if I create a list xyz, I can subscribe people ok, but I cannot send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and have Mailman redistribute it to the xyz list. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks. Best regards, Phil Apache 1.3.12 Linux Redhat Version 6.1 Perl5.6.0 PHP4.0.3 GCC2.7 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Rootless in Gaza
Hi All, I'm hoping someone can offer advice on how to install mailman on a hosted site. The web host provider does not give me access to the /etc/passwd directory at root -- the closest I can get is home/username/ --- I've tried (successfully) to set alternate --with-username and --with-groupname in the setup, but can't get mailman to see the installation directory. Any advice would be mcuh appreciated. Best regards, Phil -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] two questions (fwd)
1) looks like you are either missing the directory structure for archive: ~mailman/archives ../private ../public or the rights are such that Mailman cannot access them I don't think so. Everything's pretty much accessible to mailman group and user. 2) If you want Mailman to add the routes when you run newlist -o ... then it needs write access to the file. Otherwise, you can simply add the entries yourself everytime you add a new list. I've been updating the aliases manually - the errors come when I try to send mail. As far as I can tell, there's only one setup that works: - a complete copy of the /etc/postfix/aliases file in /home/mailman - every time I update the site aliases, I have the update the /home/mailman/aliases file and run postalias on it. - the following in /etc/postfix/main.cf: alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases alias_maps = hash:/home/mailman/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases If I use the convention: alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/home/mailman/aliases I get a postfix error. If I try to just keep mailman aliases in the /home/mailman/aliases file, I get the error. If I chgrp mailman /etc/postfix/aliases and open up the w perms in order to try to centralize things, I get the error. The error is: The Postfix program [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Command died with status 2: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post list.foo. Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 41, GOT gid 99. (Reconfigure to take 99?) (41 = mailman) --- Original Message: Sunday 17 March 2002 03:50 pm --- Hi, I use v 2.08 and have a couple questions: 1] I get the following cron error all the time, but I don't know python and therefore cannot assess the problem. What does it mean? Subject: Cron mailman@twiggy /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests Traceback (innermost last): File /home/mailman/cron/senddigests, line 65, in ? main() File /home/mailman/cron/senddigests, line 42, in main send_list_digest(mlist) File /home/mailman/cron/senddigests, line 59, in send_list_digest mlist.Save() File /home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 861, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 256, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir makelink(privdir, pubdir) File /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 42, in makelink os.symlink(old, new) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory 2] I use postfix and have added the extra aliases file to make things work. However, I don't understand why this file needs to writeable by mailman. Thanks, Phil -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- # Phil Voris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=- http://www.nekophile.com # GPG Key: http://www.nekophile.com/~pvoris/gpg/ # # I think the world is ready for the story of an ugly duckling, who grew up to # remain an ugly duckling, and lived happily ever after. # -- Chick -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] two questions
Hi, I use v 2.08 and have a couple questions: 1] I get the following cron error all the time, but I don't know python and therefore cannot assess the problem. What does it mean? Subject: Cron mailman@twiggy /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests Traceback (innermost last): File /home/mailman/cron/senddigests, line 65, in ? main() File /home/mailman/cron/senddigests, line 42, in main send_list_digest(mlist) File /home/mailman/cron/senddigests, line 59, in send_list_digest mlist.Save() File /home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 861, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 256, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir makelink(privdir, pubdir) File /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py, line 42, in makelink os.symlink(old, new) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory 2] I use postfix and have added the extra aliases file to make things work. However, I don't understand why this file needs to writeable by mailman. Thanks, Phil -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] E-Mail commands
What e-mail commands can be used with Mailman? What's the syntax? I can't find documentation anywhere. Thanks for the help. -Grimps
[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.07 on a Raq4r
Hi ThereI'm having a lot of trouble getting Mailman to work right.If you subscribe using the subscribe web page it doesn't send a confirmationof subscription email out but if you use the mass subscribe you aresubscribe but you don't get a welcome email but you can post to the listhere are some of the logsthis is out of /home/mailman/logs/smtpDec 09 09:54:50 2001 (4161) All recipients refused: (553, '5.3.0[EMAIL PROTECTED]... No such user here', 'test-admin@op$Dec 09 09:54:50 2001 (4161) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.128 secondsDec 09 10:09:10 2001 (5481) All recipients refused: (553, '5.3.0[EMAIL PROTECTED]... No such user here', 'test-admin@op$Dec 09 10:09:10 2001 (5481) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.075 secondsDec 09 10:10:19 2001 (5569) All recipients refused: (553, '5.3.0[EMAIL PROTECTED]... No such user here', 'test-admin@op$this is out of /var/log/maillogDec 9 16:00:03 www imapd[32722]: Logout user=??? host=localhost [127.0.0.1]Dec 9 16:00:04 www sendmail[32725]: NOQUEUE: localhost [127.0.0.1] did notissue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTADec 9 16:15:04 www imapd[1552]: imap service init from 127.0.0.1Dec 9 16:15:04 www imapd[1552]: Logout user=??? host=localhost [127.0.0.1]Dec 9 16:15:05 www sendmail[1554]: NOQUEUE: localhost [127.0.0.1] did notissue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTAIf someone can help that would be greatThanksPhil
[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.07 on a Raq4r
Hi ThereI'm having a lot of trouble getting Mailman to work right.If you subscribe using the subscribe web page it doesn't send a confirmationof subscription email out but if you use the mass subscribe you aresubscribe but you don't get a welcome email but you can post to the listhere are some of the logsthis is out of /home/mailman/logs/smtpDec 09 09:54:50 2001 (4161) All recipients refused: (553, '5.3.0[EMAIL PROTECTED]... No such user here', 'test-admin@op$Dec 09 09:54:50 2001 (4161) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.128 secondsDec 09 10:09:10 2001 (5481) All recipients refused: (553, '5.3.0[EMAIL PROTECTED]... No such user here', 'test-admin@op$Dec 09 10:09:10 2001 (5481) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.075 secondsDec 09 10:10:19 2001 (5569) All recipients refused: (553, '5.3.0[EMAIL PROTECTED]... No such user here', 'test-admin@op$this is out of /var/log/maillogDec 9 16:00:03 www imapd[32722]: Logout user=??? host=localhost [127.0.0.1]Dec 9 16:00:04 www sendmail[32725]: NOQUEUE: localhost [127.0.0.1] did notissue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTADec 9 16:15:04 www imapd[1552]: imap service init from 127.0.0.1Dec 9 16:15:04 www imapd[1552]: Logout user=??? host=localhost [127.0.0.1]Dec 9 16:15:05 www sendmail[1554]: NOQUEUE: localhost [127.0.0.1] did notissue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTAIf someone can help that would be greatThanksPhil
[Mailman-Users] How Do I Remove a Mailing List ?
Hi There How do I remove a mailing list ? Phil
[Mailman-Users] Installed Mailman and somethings do not work
Hi There I installed mailman and somethings do not work Has anyone have any idea how to fix them If you subscribe it comes up with the confirm page but you never get any email from it but if you masssubscribe people can send mail to it and it works Withmass subscribe no one gets a welcome email. below is out of /var/log/mailog Dec 8 15:30:02 www imapd[17908]: imap service init from 127.0.0.1Dec 8 15:30:02 www imapd[17908]: Logout user=??? host=localhost [127.0.0.1]Dec 8 15:30:03 www sendmail[17910]: NOQUEUE: localhost [127.0.0.1] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA WhenI ran bin/check_perms it came up with no problem found If anyone could help that would be great Phil
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella_List Option?
Might I suggest that the following very clear explanation be added to the mailman documentation? On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:40:38AM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote: An Umbrella List is a list of other lists. For example, you have the following lists running in Mailman: ThreeBlindMice: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ThreeBears: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ThreeMenNaTub: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can create an Umbrella List called, Threesomes and instead of people, it will contain the above list names. When you send email to Threesomes, it goes to each of the individual lists... Threesomes: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] When mailman sends out a monthly password reminder, it sends an email to every person in its lists. If it did that for the Umbrella List Threesomes, then it would treat ThreeBlindMice as an ordinary user. Mailman would send an email to ThreeBlindMice that contained the password for subscribing or unsubscribing it to the list ThreeSomes. Everyone on the ThreeBlindMice list would receive that message with the password. Now that is fine in the case of Minnie and Mighty, but Mickey has been known to do a few silly things in his time... You can keep Mickey from getting the password by telling Mailman to send this type of information to ThreeBlindMice-owner instead of to ThreeBlindMice. By making Threesomes into an Umbrella List, you can tell Mailman to add -owner to any notices, confirmations and passwords that it sends out to list members. Personally, I would like to see Umbrella Lists do more than just that. IMO, they should only send one message out to each actual user, regardless of how many lists that user is on. Currently, if a user is on multiple lists that are under one Umbrella list, then that user will receive multiple mailings from one message sent to the Umbrella list. In the example above, [EMAIL PROTECTED] would receive two messages everytime someone sent an email to Threesomes. BTW: there is a work around for that using a script and a cron job to create a separate mass list - but that's not pretty. -- Linux Now! .Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft. phil stracchino :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unix ronin renaissance man mystic zen biker geek 2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold) -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Samba and mailman
On Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 11:41:33AM +0100, root wrote: Can a mailing list be set up under Samba as opposed to Mailman. Which software is the better? Karl You're asking for a comparison between apples and oranges. Samba is not a mailing list manager, it's an SMB file/print server. It allows a Unix machine to provide file and print services to Windows PCs. It does not and cannot provide mailing list services. Trust me on this, Karl: Go buy some books on Linux and read them like I told you. -- Linux Now! ..Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft. phil stracchino -- the renaissance man -- mystic zen biker geek [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] 2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold) -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Includes in public list pages
On Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 06:08:31PM -0500, J. Frederick Ball OEF wrote: Is there any way to do a server side include of an HTML file in the public list pages that Mailman generates? It would be nice to use this to wrap the pages in a client's header and footer for identification and navigation purposes. No, but you can insert the HTML you want by hand per-list from the administrative pages, or site-wide by editing the templates. It only took me a few seconds to do. -- Linux Now! ..Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft. phil stracchino -- the renaissance man -- mystic zen biker geek [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] 2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold) -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Enlightenment
On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 09:36:49AM +0100, Karl Carlile wrote: I am still waiting for someone to help with the following problem. I want to know how I can have addresses that work rather than the dummy addresses below. snip You can configure your mailing list at the following web page: http://localhost.localdomain/mailman/admin/test The web page for users of your mailing list is: http://localhost.localdomain/mailman/listinfo/test snip Karl, It looks to me like you didn't configure Mailman properly for your domain. You do have the machine *hosting* Mailman configured properly, host/domain wise, right...? Have you looked at Mailman's logs? Mae you looked at your MTA's logs? Are you certain your MTA is working properly? When you say the addresses don't work, what exactly does that mean -- what happens when you try to reply? Do you get an error back? What is it? Can you send mail to any addresses at all on the host machine? Can you send mail to root@machine? Can you send mail from root@machine? There's two issues at work here: 1. We can't help you if you don't give us enough information about the problem. 2. You're coming from a Windows environment aimed at very technically unsophisticated users, and trying to jump directly into several complex interlinked tools on a very complex, technically demanding operating system, all three of which have to work together and work properly to do what you want. It's a very steep learning curve, and you're not giving yourself much time to learn it. Your lack of knowledge limits our ability to help you because it limits your ability to know the right questions to ask. -- Linux Now! ..Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft. phil stracchino -- the renaissance man -- mystic zen biker geek [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] 2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold) -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] download
On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 05:38:49PM +0100, Karl Carlile wrote: Ha! Ha! Even I know that much. Karl, You know that. I know that. But we're talking an AOL user here -- Linux Now! ..Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft. phil stracchino -- the renaissance man -- mystic zen biker geek [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] 2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold) -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] installing
On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 05:36:40PM +0100, Karl Carlile wrote: I have dowloaded mailman onto hard drive which is the hardware platform for the linux operating system -mandrake 8. However I cannot install it so far. I have tried by double clicking the configure file etc. Any suggestions for some one who has been pulling his hair out and is not about to run out into the street and scream. Ummm... The command line is your friend. Try opening an xterm and following the instructions supplied with the source code, in the README* and INSTALL files. -- Linux Now! ..Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft. phil stracchino -- the renaissance man -- mystic zen biker geek [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] 2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold) -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
