Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce messages to list moderator?

2009-02-26 Thread Rob
So, owner = administrator(s)  moderators? Can bounces be sent  
only to the administrator? My list moderators don't need to get bounce  
notices.


Thanks,

-Rob


On Feb 25, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:


Rob wrote:


For an unknown reason, bounce messages are being sent to both the
administrator and moderator e-mail addresses. This is not typical
behavior for any of our other lists.

I've attached headers from a recent bounce below. Any advice on why
this is happening is much appreciated.



The message is the notification to the owners/moderators of a member
who's delivery is disabled by bounce. This notice is sent becaues
bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is set to Yes.

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[Mailman-Users] Bounce messages to list moderator?

2009-02-25 Thread Rob
We have an announce-only list (all members are moderated, moderated  
postings are rejected). There is a single list moderator and a single  
list administrator.


For an unknown reason, bounce messages are being sent to both the  
administrator and moderator e-mail addresses. This is not typical  
behavior for any of our other lists.


I've attached headers from a recent bounce below. Any advice on why  
this is happening is much appreciated.


-Rob

Return-Path: mailman-boun...@acvr.org
Received: from murder ([unix socket])
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Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:09:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Bounce action notification
From: mail...@acvr.org
To: announcements-ow...@acvr.org
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary1347886839==
Message-ID: mailman.17.1235491751.325.announceme...@acvr.org
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:09:11 -0500
Precedence: bulk
X-BeenThere: announceme...@acvr.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
List-Id: ACVR Announcements \(moderated\) announcements.acvr.org
X-List-Administrivia: yes
Sender: mailman-boun...@acvr.org
Errors-To: mailman-boun...@acvr.org

--===1347886839==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:

   List:   Announcements
   Member: axon...@rad.usuhs.mil
   Action: Subscription disabled.
   Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.



The triggering bounce notice is attached below.

Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at mail...@acvr.org.

--===1347886839==
Content-Type: message/rfc822
MIME-Version: 1.0

Return-Path: 
X-Original-To: announcements-boun...@acvr.org
Delivered-To: announcements-boun...@acvr.org
Received: by acvr.org (Postfix)
id 11000901DF6; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:06:16 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:06:16 -0500 (EST)
From: mailer-dae...@acvr.org (Mail Delivery System)
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
To: announcements-boun...@acvr.org
Auto-Submitted: auto-replied
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
boundary=DC6F7901D92.1235491576/acvr.org
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Message-Id: 20090224160616.11000901...@acvr.org

This is a MIME-encapsulated message.

--DC6F7901D92.1235491576/acvr.org
Content-Description: Notification
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

This is the mail system at host acvr.org.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

  The mail system

axon...@rad.usuhs.mil: host rad.usuhs.edu[151.200.170.182] said: 554  
5.7.1
   axon...@rad.usuhs.mil: Relay access denied (in reply to RCPT TO  
command)


--DC6F7901D92.1235491576/acvr.org
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Content-Type: message/delivery-status

Reporting-MTA: dns; acvr.org
X-Postfix-Queue-ID: DC6F7901D92
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; announcements-boun...@acvr.org
Arrival-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:54:09 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; axon...@rad.usuhs.mil
Original-Recipient: rfc822;axon...@rad.usuhs.mil
Action: failed
Status: 5.7.1
Remote-MTA: dns; rad.usuhs.edu
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 5.7.1 axon...@rad.usuhs.mil: Relay access  
denied



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce messages to list moderator?

2009-02-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
Rob wrote:

For an unknown reason, bounce messages are being sent to both the  
administrator and moderator e-mail addresses. This is not typical  
behavior for any of our other lists.

I've attached headers from a recent bounce below. Any advice on why  
this is happening is much appreciated.


The message is the notification to the owners/moderators of a member
who's delivery is disabled by bounce. This notice is sent becaues
bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is set to Yes.

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San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce messages to list moderator?

2009-02-25 Thread Mark Sapiro
Rob wrote:

So, owner = administrator(s)  moderators? Can bounces be sent  
only to the administrator? My list moderators don't need to get bounce  
notices.


The list has attributes 'owner' and 'moderator', each of which is a
list of zero or more addresses, although having zero addresses in
'owner' is not a good idea.

Most owner notifications are actually sent to LISTNAME-owner which in
turn is resent to all the owner AND moderator addresses.

Some notices use the Message.OwnerNotification class directly which has
the ability to exclude moderators, but I think the only notice that
goes to owners only and not moderators is the forward of an
unrecognized bounce.

So the answer is if bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner is Yes,
those notices go only to the 'owner' addresses and not to 'moderator'
addresses, but the bounce_notify_owner_on_disable notices and the
bounce_notify_owner_on_removal notices go to both 'owner' and
'moderator' addresses and changing this would require source code
modifications.

Granted, the terminology, documentation and results are not consistent,
but that's the way it works.

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