Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
At 2:19 PM +0200 7/28/05, Brad Knowles wrote: At 7:03 AM -0500 2005-07-28, David Scribner wrote: Also, I don't see anything where I can set the time that a Daily Digest is sent out. It's a cron job. Did you enable all the cron jobs like you were supposed to? I am using the Apple supplied Mailman as part of OSX 10.2.4 SERVER. How can I tell is the cron jobs were/are enabled? I'm not a UNIX geek so I usually depend on the GUI parts of OSX Server. David Scribner -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
On 7/29/05 5:45 AM, David Scribner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2:19 PM +0200 7/28/05, Brad Knowles wrote: At 7:03 AM -0500 2005-07-28, David Scribner wrote: Also, I don't see anything where I can set the time that a Daily Digest is sent out. It's a cron job. Did you enable all the cron jobs like you were supposed to? I am using the Apple supplied Mailman as part of OSX 10.2.4 SERVER. How can I tell is the cron jobs were/are enabled? I'm not a UNIX geek so I usually depend on the GUI parts of OSX Server. Ah... If it were a self-installed mailman on non-Server OS X, we can be a lot of help. But there seems to be little knowledge here of Apple's somewhat proprietary installation of Mailman on OS X Server. Reports indicate that there is a lot non-standard about how Apple installed it. -- Larry Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stonejongleux.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
At 5:45 AM -0500 2005-07-29, David Scribner wrote: I am using the Apple supplied Mailman as part of OSX 10.2.4 SERVER. How can I tell is the cron jobs were/are enabled? I'm not a UNIX geek so I usually depend on the GUI parts of OSX Server. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.021.htp. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
On Jul 29, 2005, at 6:26 AM, Larry Stone wrote: On 7/29/05 5:45 AM, David Scribner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using the Apple supplied Mailman as part of OSX 10.2.4 SERVER. How can I tell is the cron jobs were/are enabled? I'm not a UNIX geek so I usually depend on the GUI parts of OSX Server. Ah... If it were a self-installed mailman on non-Server OS X, we can be a lot of help. But there seems to be little knowledge here of Apple's somewhat proprietary installation of Mailman on OS X Server. Reports indicate that there is a lot non-standard about how Apple installed it. I first installed Mailman 2.0.13 from source on Jaguar server and have updated it to 2.1.6, but recently began using a default Apple install on Tiger Server. There's really very little done differently that I can see, other than the system unexpectedly changing my settings in mm_cfg.py on occasion. The big difference is splitting into var and /usr/share directories. In any case, the Mailman crontab is standard. David, run sudo crontab -u mailman -l in the Terminal app and look for this line: # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery. 0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/share/mailman/cron/senddigests Read man crontab for instructions on how to edit it. Dan Dan Phillips Associate Professor of Horn, University of Memphis site administrator: music.memphis.edu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
At 8:33 AM -0500 7/29/05, Dan Phillips wrote: I first installed Mailman 2.0.13 from source on Jaguar server and have updated it to 2.1.6, but recently began using a default Apple install on Tiger Server. There's really very little done differently that I can see, other than the system unexpectedly changing my settings in mm_cfg.py on occasion. The big difference is splitting into var and /usr/share directories. In any case, the Mailman crontab is standard. David, run sudo crontab -u mailman -l in the Terminal app and look for this line: # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery. 0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/share/mailman/cron/senddigests I ran that and got back: crontab: no crontab for mailman So how do I fix that? I do have the radio button set for sending Daily Digests Thanks David Scribner -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
I am currently running a test list on Mailman (2.1.5) on OSX Tiger (10.4.2) and seem to have some problems with the sending of Digests. I have the list set that it will bunch traffic in Digests. And I have the option Should a digest be dispatched daily when the size threshold isn't reached? set to YES. But it is not sending out a Daily Digest although there are posts in the queue. It only seems to be sending out a digest when the Threshold is reached. What can I do to make Mailman send out the Digest Daily even if there are only a couple of posts for that Digest? I have even tried to toggle the Daily Sending option to NO and then back to YES but that doesn't seem to work to force a Daily Digest. Also, I don't see anything where I can set the time that a Daily Digest is sent out. On my current LetterRipPro list server I have the Digests for the lists that have a digest option to send for each list at a different time, actually about a half an hour apart just to lessen the amount of out-going traffic when the Digests get sent. Is it possible to do that same with Mailman? Thank you for your help David Scribner BI Consulting Little Rock, AR -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 07:03 -0500, David Scribner wrote: I am currently running a test list on Mailman (2.1.5) on OSX Tiger (10.4.2) and seem to have some problems with the sending of Digests. I have the list set that it will bunch traffic in Digests. And I have the option Should a digest be dispatched daily when the size threshold isn't reached? set to YES. But it is not sending out a Daily Digest although there are posts in the queue. It only seems to be sending out a digest when the Threshold is reached. What can I do to make Mailman send out the Digest Daily even if there are only a couple of posts for that Digest? I have even tried to toggle the Daily Sending option to NO and then back to YES but that doesn't seem to work to force a Daily Digest. Also, I don't see anything where I can set the time that a Daily Digest is sent out. On my current LetterRipPro list server I have the Digests for the lists that have a digest option to send for each list at a different time, actually about a half an hour apart just to lessen the amount of out-going traffic when the Digests get sent. Is it possible to do that same with Mailman? The timed delivery of digests is implemented via a cron job that runs the mailman/cron/senddigests script. If your digests are not being sent the first thing to check is if the cron jobs are enabled. You can set the time this cron job runs so you can control when they are sent out. -- John Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
On 7/28/05 7:03 AM, David Scribner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am currently running a test list on Mailman (2.1.5) on OSX Tiger (10.4.2) and seem to have some problems with the sending of Digests. I have the list set that it will bunch traffic in Digests. And I have the option Should a digest be dispatched daily when the size threshold isn't reached? set to YES. But it is not sending out a Daily Digest although there are posts in the queue. Digest sending is done by cron. Do you have the cron piece of Mailman set up? -- Larry Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stonejongleux.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
At 7:03 AM -0500 2005-07-28, David Scribner wrote: Also, I don't see anything where I can set the time that a Daily Digest is sent out. It's a cron job. Did you enable all the cron jobs like you were supposed to? On my current LetterRipPro list server I have the Digests for the lists that have a digest option to send for each list at a different time, actually about a half an hour apart just to lessen the amount of out-going traffic when the Digests get sent. Is it possible to do that same with Mailman? Nope. Except for digests that are sent when the size threshold is reached, all digests are sent at the same time -- when the senddigests cron job is run for that day. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
On Jul 28, 2005, at 21:03, David Scribner wrote: Also, I don't see anything where I can set the time that a Daily Digest is sent out. On my current LetterRipPro list server I have the Digests for the lists that have a digest option to send for each list at a different time, actually about a half an hour apart just to lessen the amount of out-going traffic when the Digests get sent. Is it possible to do that same with Mailman? Yes, by configuring the cron job that sends out the digests. The typical mailman installation uses a single cron task that invokes senddigests with no arguments, which causes it to generate periodic digests for *all* of the lists that have them enabled. To stagger the digest generation, cause senddigests to be invoked with the -l (-- listname) switch to specify individual lists: 0 7 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/ senddigests -l list1 30 7 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/ senddigests -l list2 0 8 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/ senddigests -l list3 ... for each list with periodic digests. -- Jim Tittsler http://www.OnJapan.net/ GPG: 0x01159DB6 Python Starship http://Starship.Python.net/crew/jwt/ Mailman IRC irc://irc.freenode.net/#mailman -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions/ OS X
On Jul 28, 2005, at 7:19 AM, Brad Knowles wrote: Nope. Except for digests that are sent when the size threshold is reached, all digests are sent at the same time -- when the senddigests cron job is run for that day. Although wouldn't it be easy enough to do with a little massaging of the mailman crontab, creating a different job for each list? Usage: /usr/share/mailman/cron/senddigests [options] Options: -l listname --listname=listname Send the digest for the given list only, otherwise the digests for all lists are sent out. Dan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions/ OS X
At 8:30 AM -0500 2005-07-28, Dan Phillips wrote: Although wouldn't it be easy enough to do with a little massaging of the mailman crontab, creating a different job for each list? Yup, as Jim Tittsler just pointed out. Thanks for the correction! -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest Sending Questions
Brad Knowles wrote: At 7:03 AM -0500 2005-07-28, David Scribner wrote: On my current LetterRipPro list server I have the Digests for the lists that have a digest option to send for each list at a different time, actually about a half an hour apart just to lessen the amount of out-going traffic when the Digests get sent. Is it possible to do that same with Mailman? Nope. Except for digests that are sent when the size threshold is reached, all digests are sent at the same time -- when the senddigests cron job is run for that day. The default crontab runs 'senddigests' daily at noon. 'sendigests' sends a digest for all lists that have accumulated any posts. There is a '-l listname' option to send the digest if any for only the listname list. Thus, you could set up multiple crontab entries to run 'senddigests -l list1', 'senddigests -l list2', etc. at different times, but this would be quite a maintenance headache. Alternatively, instead of having cron run senddigests, you could have cron run a script of some kind every half hour or whatever and the script could read a file of listnames and times and run 'senddigests -l listname' for those lists that had times within that half hour. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
