Re: [Mailman-Users] E-Mail to some users get lost or are very late
John Dennis schrieb: On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 16:38 +0200, Götz Reinicke wrote: Hi, we run mailman mailman-2.1.5-33.rhel4 on a RHEL 4 Clone (Tao Linux 4, kernel 2.6.9-11.ELsmp). Some days ago, some users noticed, that they dont get all mails send to the mailinglists they are subscribed to or that they get the mails with a delay from some days or weeks :-( I checked the quota, forward, alias and mailman settings for thouth users, but everything seams O.K. for me. We use sendmail as MTA and dovecot as imap server. Any ideas what to check? Or waht info to provide? You're going to have to identify one of the delayed emails and look at it's headers to see where it was held up. You might also look at /var/log/maillog and the /var/log/mailman/smtp logs to see if and when the suspect messages were processed. Missing mail may have also bounced. Once your MTA hands off a set of mail to a destination SMTP server a whole host of things can happen to it that has nothing to do with your server. Your best bet is to verify from the logs the mail left your server when you expected it to. The mailman server is also our central mailserver for our domain and the users subscribed to the list are local users. The mailmanlogs showed me an failed with code 452: 4.5.3 Too many recipients-error, so I looked at the max rcpts settings of mailman and sendmail. sendmail accepted 100 rcpts, while mailman sended 500 (SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500). But I never had this problem bevore and the settings are set from the begining of the installation (couple of month ago.) I removed the restriction from sendmail but Mails get still lost or are delayed (only for some users eg. one testmail to myselve was delayed by about 20 Minutes) In the maillog I found the following: timeout waiting for input from local during Draining Input Any more ideas? Thanks best regards Götz -- Götz Reinicke IT Koordinator - IT OfficeNet Tel. +49 (0) 7141 - 969 420 Fax +49 (0) 7141 - 969 55 420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Filmakademie Baden-Württemberg Mathildenstr. 20 71638 Ludwigsburg www.filmakademie.de -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] E-Mail to some users get lost or are very late
At 10:52 AM +0200 2005-07-12, Götz Reinicke wrote: I removed the restriction from sendmail but Mails get still lost or are delayed (only for some users eg. one testmail to myselve was delayed by about 20 Minutes) You're much better off having Mailman slice things up into 100 recipient chunks, and then having each smaller chunk handed off to sendmail. That way you can get more of the chunks processed in parallel, and get overall better throughput rates. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] E-Mail to some users get lost or are very late
Brad Knowles schrieb: At 10:52 AM +0200 2005-07-12, Götz Reinicke wrote: I removed the restriction from sendmail but Mails get still lost or are delayed (only for some users eg. one testmail to myselve was delayed by about 20 Minutes) You're much better off having Mailman slice things up into 100 recipient chunks, and then having each smaller chunk handed off to sendmail. That way you can get more of the chunks processed in parallel, and get overall better throughput rates. O.K. I've done this, but still mails aren'd deliverd to all subscribed accounts :-((( Götz Reinicke -- Götz Reinicke IT Koordinator - IT OfficeNet Tel. +49 (0) 7141 - 969 420 Fax +49 (0) 7141 - 969 55 420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Filmakademie Baden-Württemberg Mathildenstr. 20 71638 Ludwigsburg www.filmakademie.de -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] E-Mail to some users get lost or are very late
At 11:51 AM +0200 2005-07-12, Götz Reinicke wrote: O.K. I've done this, but still mails aren'd deliverd to all subscribed accounts :-((( Then the next thing to do is turn on personalization for the list(s) in question, so that you can check the log entries for each and every recipient separately. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] E-Mail to some users get lost or are very late
Brad Knowles schrieb: At 12:11 PM +0200 2005-07-12, Götz Reinicke wrote: Then the next thing to do is turn on personalization for the list(s) in question, so that you can check the log entries for each and every recipient separately. could you please give me a hint, where to enable this? (Today is a bad day for ...) It's going to depend on whether or not the site-wide list server configuration allows the list admin to turn on personalization. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.015.htp, and you should also see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq02.002.htp and http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.012.htp. O.K., I did this, and it seams, that the mails are send personalised. But there are still the same problems as before. I looked deeper into the mailq and found, that some mails are shown this way; this told me nothing: mailq -q | more j6C9MS4l024817* 729 Tue Jul 12 11:22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Deferred: local mailer (/usr/bin/procmail) exited with EX_TE) fchoquet csakarov mhartman afetsche bbodmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] gkuschmi \\mmueller4 jlocher mstachle jproehl sarendt afieser cschwoch sschmid fkoziol nimfeld estrecke kschmid sduevel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] j6C9bNxl027556* 730 Tue Jul 12 11:37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Deferred: local mailer (/usr/bin/procmail) exited with EX_TE) fchoquet csakarov mhartman afetsche bbodmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] gkuschmi \\mmueller4 jlocher mstachle jproehl sarendt afieser cschwoch sschmid fkoziol nimfeld estrecke kschmid sduevel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... -- Götz
Re: [Mailman-Users] E-Mail to some users get lost or are very late
At 3:41 PM +0200 2005-07-12, Götz Reinicke wrote: I looked deeper into the mailq and found, that some mails are shown this way; this told me nothing: mailq -q | more j6C9MS4l024817* 729 Tue Jul 12 11:22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Deferred: local mailer (/usr/bin/procmail) exited with EX_TE) This is a more serious problem, but exists with your local mailer (procmail). This is outside of the realm of Mailman, and not something we're likely to be able to help you with. You're going to need to do some more debugging inside your MTA and within procmail to figure out exactly what is going wrong and why. I suggest you use Google to find resources more appropriate to your MTA and procmail. fchoquet csakarov mhartman afetsche bbodmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] gkuschmi \\mmueller4 jlocher mstachle jproehl sarendt afieser cschwoch sschmid fkoziol nimfeld estrecke kschmid sduevel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] These last addresses (the ones that aren't local to your server) are definitely screwed up. They shouldn't be delivered locally to your server, and therefore should not be affected by problems with the MTA or procmail. I suspect that these problems you've highlighted here with procmail are actually older messages that are stuck in the queue and being retried. It may take some time for them to clear. Meanwhile, you need to check the MTA logs for the personalized messages to see if they're going through or not. These logs will be specific to your MTA, and not something we are likely to be able to help you with. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] E-Mail to some users get lost or are very late
Hi, we run mailman mailman-2.1.5-33.rhel4 on a RHEL 4 Clone (Tao Linux 4, kernel 2.6.9-11.ELsmp). Some days ago, some users noticed, that they dont get all mails send to the mailinglists they are subscribed to or that they get the mails with a delay from some days or weeks :-( I checked the quota, forward, alias and mailman settings for thouth users, but everything seams O.K. for me. We use sendmail as MTA and dovecot as imap server. Any ideas what to check? Or waht info to provide? Thanks an best regards Götz Reinicke -- Götz Reinicke IT Koordinator - IT OfficeNet Tel. +49 (0) 7141 - 969 420 Fax +49 (0) 7141 - 969 55 420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Filmakademie Baden-Württemberg Mathildenstr. 20 71638 Ludwigsburg www.filmakademie.de -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] E-Mail to some users get lost or are very late
On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 16:38 +0200, Götz Reinicke wrote: Hi, we run mailman mailman-2.1.5-33.rhel4 on a RHEL 4 Clone (Tao Linux 4, kernel 2.6.9-11.ELsmp). Some days ago, some users noticed, that they dont get all mails send to the mailinglists they are subscribed to or that they get the mails with a delay from some days or weeks :-( I checked the quota, forward, alias and mailman settings for thouth users, but everything seams O.K. for me. We use sendmail as MTA and dovecot as imap server. Any ideas what to check? Or waht info to provide? You're going to have to identify one of the delayed emails and look at it's headers to see where it was held up. You might also look at /var/log/maillog and the /var/log/mailman/smtp logs to see if and when the suspect messages were processed. Missing mail may have also bounced. Once your MTA hands off a set of mail to a destination SMTP server a whole host of things can happen to it that has nothing to do with your server. Your best bet is to verify from the logs the mail left your server when you expected it to. -- John Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
