[Mailman-Users] mail delivery failed on my email

2021-03-02 Thread Jim Dory 
I manage a list through CPanel v. 94.0.2 and I also have server access (from our paid host). Mailman v.2.1.33-2.cp1186.  
I just tried to send a message and got this:


"A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The 
following address(es) failed: pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman post 
nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com generated by nome-annou...@nomekennelclub.com local delivery failed"


Others can post and I subscribed a different email address and can post using that. Just not my administrative email. I 
recently had removed my account from Gmail and set it up in Thunderbird, so I'm wondering if that could be the issue.


I found a similar post somewhere from way back that said to issue the command /usr/local/cpanel/scripts/fixmailman , 
which I did but no with effect.


I've been poking around and under /usr/local/cpanel/3rdpartymailman/locks are 2 
files (but none ending in .lock:
master-qrunner
master-qrunner.cloud.nomekennelclub.com.748

(I unsubscribed my email and tried to resubscribe but got the same error when 
replying to the confirmation email.

I see there is a /usr/local/cpanel/3rdpartymailman/scripts/check_perms script that someone wayback when said run as 
./check_perms -f but I would like to hear if that is smart or not.


If I cat /etc/valiases/nomekennelclub.com I get:

ab...@nomekennelclub.com: @gmail.com
n...@nomekennelclub.com: nomekennelc...@gmail.com
nome-announce-ad...@nomekennelclub.com: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman admin 
nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com"



nome-announce-subscr...@nomekennelclub.com: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe 
nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com"
nome-announce-unsubscr...@nomekennelclub.com: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe 
nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com"

nome-annou...@nomekennelclub.com: "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman 
post nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com"
owner-nome-annou...@nomekennelclub.com: nome-announce-ad...@nomekennelclub.com
postmas...@nomekennelclub.com: @gmail.com
r...@nomekennelclub.com: @gmail.com
*: ja...@dorydesign.com


That last email is the problem one.

thx

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Delivery

2017-10-17 Thread David Andrews 

At 08:23 PM 10/17/2017, Mark Sapiro wrote:
On 10/17/2017 05:32 PM, David Andrews wrote: > 
At one time I set > Reply-To: header munging > 
under general settings to Yes. Some of my users 
used a screen reader > that balked unless the 
header was munged, for some reason.  Well 
that > software has gone away, and ISP's are 
much pickier these days, with MARC > and dkim 
and SPF etc. Would this setting cause me 
delivery problems ?? > Should I go back and 
change it on older lists. I no longer set it 
to > yes, leave it at no, its default. By "set 
Reply-To: header munging under general settings 
to Yes" I assume you mean reply_goes_to_list = 
This List, but I'm not sure what you're asking. 
Reply-To: header munging is controversial and is 
a religious war. Mailman developers think it 
shouldn't be done, but many think it should be 
which is why the option exists. I am not aware 
of message delivery issues one way or the other, 
but there is an issue with Thunderbird and 
possibly other MUAs. Recent T'bird has changed 
so that if you are looking at a list post with a 
Reply-To: to the list and you do a simple reply 
or control-R, the reply will be addressed to the 
From: and not the list. More recent T'bird has a 
config editor option to restore the old 
behavior, but it's not the default. See these 
threads for all the gory details: 
 
 
 
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I didn't mean "reply goes to list" but you 
answered my question, as usual!  Thanks!


Dave




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Delivery

2017-10-17 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 10/17/2017 05:32 PM, David Andrews wrote:
> At one time I set
> Reply-To: header munging
> under general settings to Yes. Some of my users used a screen reader
> that balked unless the header was munged, for some reason.  Well that
> software has gone away, and ISP's are much pickier these days, with MARC
> and dkim and SPF etc. Would this setting cause me delivery problems ??
> Should I go back and change it on older lists. I no longer set it to
> yes, leave it at no, its default.


By "set Reply-To: header munging under general settings to Yes" I assume
you mean reply_goes_to_list = This List, but I'm not sure what you're
asking. Reply-To: header munging is controversial and is a religious
war. Mailman developers think it shouldn't be done, but many think it
should be which is why the option exists.

I am not aware of message delivery issues one way or the other, but
there is an issue with Thunderbird and possibly other MUAs. Recent
T'bird has changed so that if you are looking at a list post with a
Reply-To: to the list and you do a simple reply or control-R, the reply
will be addressed to the From: and not the list. More recent T'bird has
a config editor option to restore the old behavior, but it's not the
default.

See these threads for all the gory details:





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[Mailman-Users] Mail Delivery

2017-10-17 Thread David Andrews 

At one time I set
Reply-To: header munging
under general settings to Yes. Some of my users used a screen reader 
that balked unless the header was munged, for some reason.  Well that 
software has gone away, and ISP's are much pickier these days, with 
MARC and dkim and SPF etc. Would this setting cause me delivery 
problems ?? Should I go back and change it on older lists. I no 
longer set it to yes, leave it at no, its default.


Dave



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[Mailman-Users] Mail delivery or sending issues and list reply settings

2017-10-10 Thread paul 
Hi and hope the answer(s) to my question are relatively simple. On one of two 
lists I manage, some people are getting deleted due to too many bounces.  And 
the bounces seem to be related to their mail provider not allowing the 
messages.   As far as I can tell, the main culprits are gmail, yahoo, and 
hotmail.


Of course, those people blame Mailman.  From what i have read, it is not 
necessarily that. But complicating things is that people were complaining that 
the default REPLY to SENDER was not appropriate for a discussion list, so I 
just switched it over to REPLY TO GROUP. I do not THINK that is the reason for 
the trouble, but here in the space of a few minutes are some of the messages I 
have gotten with my questions in caps.

(On the other hand, we didn’t have this issue UNTIL I switched to reply to the 
list. So I am wondering if there IS indeed a connection. Also unsure if this is 
a problem with the user not being able to receive mail, send mail, or both so 
far).

PROBLEM ONE: UNABLE TO SEND AND/OR RECEIVE EXAMPLES FROM YAHOO AND HOTMAIL

a...@yahoo.com  
host mta7.am0.yahoodns.net  [66.196.118.37]
   SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
   554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html 


SEEMS TO BE YAHOO DOES NOT LIKE MAILMAN AND ALSO SHE CANNOT ADD MAILMAN TO A 
WHITE LIST (YAHOO DO NOT HAVE).—>

IS IT POSSIBLE SHE IS USING A MAIL CLENT THAT DOES NOT SEND CORRECTLY? OR IS 
THIS THE YAHOO INTERFACE?

IS THIS HER MESSAGE BEING SENT OR HER MAIL PROGRAM NOT ACCEPTING MESSAGES?



RELATED TO THIS:

Some people are getting unsubscribed as a result:

   List:   Galeexec
   Member  i...@hotmail.com 
   Action: Subscription disabled.
   Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.


CAUSE OF ALL THE ABOVE?
SOLUTIONS—BY LIST OWNER?   BY MEMBER?


NEXT EXAMPLE OF SAME
h...@hotmail.com 
  host hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com 
 [104.44.194.233]
   SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data:
   550 5.7.0 (SNT004-MC7F11) Unfortunately, messages from (199.223.209.221) on 
behalf of (yahoo.com ) could not be delivered due to domain 
owner policy restrictions.

SAME THING?  I note the user has a hotmail address.  

CAUSE OF THE ABOVE?
SOLUTIONS—BY LIST OWNER?   BY MEMBER?


BELOW THAT IS MORE INFO (RELATED TO THE ABOVE?)

RESPECTIVELY 


Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822;y...@yahoo.com 
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; mta7.am0.yahoodns.net 
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 5.7.9 Message not accepted for policy reasons.  See 
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html 


Action: failed
Final-Recipient: rfc822; h...@hotmail.com 
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com 

Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 5.7.0 (SNT004-MC7F11) Unfortunately, messages from 
(199.223.209.221) on behalf of (yahoo.com ) could not be 
delivered due to domain owner policy restrictions.

There are others like this and they all share one of the two providers. 


PROBLEM TWO
Though GMAIL USERS have reported messages in SPAM. No errors messages to the 
list.

CAUSE OF THE ABOVE?
SOLUTIONS—BY LIST OWNER?   BY MEMBER?

Thank you very much.

Paul Arenson
Japan




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail delivery gets congested

2016-11-10 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 11/10/2016 10:49 AM, Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote:
> 
> On September 2, I asked here about a problem that subsciber's email addresses 
> were displayed in the message headers, and you advised me to change the 
> delivery method of Mailman to "Full Personalization". 

What I said on Sept 2 was:

> change Mailman to send only one recipient per transaction. This can
> be accomplished in multiple ways:
>   a) If personalize is available in Non-Digest options, set it to Yes.
>   b) add
> VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1
>  to mm_cfg.py
>   c) add
> SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1
>  to mm_cfg.py
> 
> (I recommend b)


See
.

Note that personalize = Yes is not the same as personalize = Full
Personalization, although they will both solve your address exposure
problem and both have the same effect  on SMTP transactions.

The difference is Full Personalization also changes the To: header of
each delivered message to the recipient's address whereas Yes leaves it
unchanged.


> Having one this, it seems that Mailman is now having problems to send out the 
> messages within a useful time frame. The porvider told us that SMTP is 
> currently set to accept only 30 messages per individual connection. So with 
> 200 subscribers it would take 7 connections to get out one single message.  I 
> do not know about the time between two connections, but I saw that it takes 
> at least 20 minutes and in several cases has taken more than one out until 
> the messages are out. 


Actually the whole point of any of the changes I suggested was to cause
Mailman to send only one recipient per SMTP transaction because your
original issue was apparently due to the MTA adding an Envelope-To:
header with all the transaction's recipients.


> The provider said that he can increase the numnber of messages per connection 
> but thinks that this is also a security issue (spam) and the amount can only 
> be set server-wide (no possibility to make an exception rule for mailing 
> lists). 


That's irrelevant at this point because you are sending to only one
recipient per transaction.

The issue is the MTA is taking too much time to process a transaction
and your SMTPD delivery for 200 recipients has gone from about 7
transactions with about 30 recipients each to 200 transactions with 1
recipient each. You needed to do this because of the MTA's putting all
the transaction's recipients into the Envelope-To: header.


> What could I do from my side to increase delivery speed? 


Set personalize = No to go back to the original issue.

This has to be addressed in the MTA configuration. Only the host can do
that.

There are many cPanel Mailman installations with much bigger lists that
200 members that don't have these issues.

If your host is willing, they can join this list and ask for help here
and we will do our best to help. They may also benefit from
, although there are cPanel
specific differences in the Mailman router and transport which are
required for cPanel's virtual domain support. The section at
 could be useful, and
of course as I suggested in my Sept 2 reply, they can remove the
envelope_to_add option from the mailman transport and quit exposing all
the recipients in an Envelope-To: header (see

and the envelope_to_add setting at
).

As a list admin with no ability to change the host, you have only the
options of leaving things as they are and tolerating the delivery delay
or going back to personalize = No and tolerating the address exposure.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail delivery gets congested

2016-11-10 Thread Carl Zwanzig 

Hi,

On 11/10/2016 10:49 AM, Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote:

The provider said that he can increase the numnber of messages per
connection but thinks that this is also a security issue (spam) and the
amount can only be set server-wide (no possibility to make an exception
rule for mailing lists).


Is the cpanel instance being hosted by the same provider as the SMTP 
service? If they are, they should be able to trust their own systems and 
allow larger batches of mail per connection (does depend on their email 
setup). (That is- config'd so that my system A accepts all mail from my 
systems B/C/D, but only small batches from anyone else's systems.)


If they're different providers, does the cpanel host have an email gateway 
you can push the outbound mail through?


Later,

z!

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[Mailman-Users] Mail delivery gets congested

2016-11-10 Thread Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users 
Hi all 

We have Mailman 2.1.21 running on a cPanel (58.0.34) installation. Our biggest 
"regular" list has something over 200 subscribers. 

On September 2, I asked here about a problem that subsciber's email addresses 
were displayed in the message headers, and you advised me to change the 
delivery method of Mailman to "Full Personalization". 

Having one this, it seems that Mailman is now having problems to send out the 
messages within a useful time frame. The porvider told us that SMTP is 
currently set to accept only 30 messages per individual connection. So with 200 
subscribers it would take 7 connections to get out one single message.  I do 
not know about the time between two connections, but I saw that it takes at 
least 20 minutes and in several cases has taken more than one out until the 
messages are out. 

The provider said that he can increase the numnber of messages per connection 
but thinks that this is also a security issue (spam) and the amount can only be 
set server-wide (no possibility to make an exception rule for mailing lists). 

What could I do from my side to increase delivery speed? 

Thank you, Christian 

 
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[Mailman-Users] mail delivery failed

2011-09-12 Thread Remy .RIGO. N. 

Hello,
I need help please. I am the administrator of a mailing list on Mailman 2.1.9 . 
It's been 3-4 days, mails are not being delivered. Not mine, or anyone else 
from the list. They are not held for approval by the admin, and no message or 
error is being sent. The emails just disappear once I hit SEND.
I checked all the options of the mailing list, to which I am the only one who 
has access, and found nothing that could prevent the messages from going 
through in or out.

Can anyone help? I know very little about computers and codes, so please be 
patient and baby-talk lol
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail delivery failed

2011-09-12 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt 
* Remy .RIGO. N. rigo...@hotmail.com:
 
 Hello,

 I need help please. I am the administrator of a mailing list on Mailman
 2.1.9 . It's been 3-4 days, mails are not being delivered. Not mine, or
 anyone else from the list. They are not held for approval by the admin,
 and no message or error is being sent. The emails just disappear once I
 hit SEND.

Are you the box's system admin? Try restarting mailman's queuerunner

/etc/init.d/mailman restart

or just restart the server.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail delivery failed

2011-09-12 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 9/12/2011 5:39 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
 * Remy .RIGO. N. rigo...@hotmail.com:
 
 I need help please. I am the administrator of a mailing list on Mailman
 2.1.9 . It's been 3-4 days, mails are not being delivered. Not mine, or
 anyone else from the list. They are not held for approval by the admin,
 and no message or error is being sent. The emails just disappear once I
 hit SEND.
 
 Are you the box's system admin? Try restarting mailman's queuerunner
 
 /etc/init.d/mailman restart
 
 or just restart the server.


Also, see the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9, but if this is a
hosted Mailman, you will need to contact the people responsible for the
host server.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail delivery not consistent and very slow

2008-11-19 Thread Grant Taylor 

On 11/18/2008 12:14 PM, Jewel wrote:
*My smtp-failure and error logs are not helping me determine what's 
wrong. Whenever I post a test to any list so far it always gets 
delivered. But I have a few users who said they have tried several times 
and don't see anything.  I had one woman try again this morning and can 
see it on the archive but not in my email -but other postings have been 
successful!!


Please help me.  I have several members upset about the delay or lack of 
delivery and I can't find out what's going on.


Do your mail logs show messages leaving the mailing list going to the 
users that are claiming to have not received the message(s)?  If the 
messages do show up in your mail logs, then the problem is likely not 
with Mailman.  If the messages are not making it to your mail logs, then 
the problem probably is with Mailman.





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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail delivery not consistent and very slow

2008-11-19 Thread Grant Taylor 

On 11/18/2008 02:09 PM, Jewel wrote:
I know it's not a gmail problem because it's happening with so many 
lists. I did notice that my CPU is almost always at 100% due to python - 
don't know why.  I know my machine is spitting out lots of mail but 
cannot figure out what there is such a delay.


With out knowing if messages are making it from Mailman to your MTA I 
can't say for sure, but it may be that your server's load average is too 
high and your MTA is refusing to accept new messages.




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[Mailman-Users] mail delivery not consistent and very slow

2008-11-18 Thread Jewel 
I recently upgraded my Mailman onto a new machine.  It appeared 
everything was running smoothly except now I have users saying they are 
posting and not seeing it come through.  All messages are successfully 
posting to the archives and I am seeing most messages get delivered but 
not 100%.  I have read the FAQ's and followed all of the suggestions 
without any errors:

http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030722
http://tinyurl.com/6xrrju*

*My smtp-failure and error logs are not helping me determine what's 
wrong. Whenever I post a test to any list so far it always gets 
delivered. But I have a few users who said they have tried several times 
and don't see anything.  I had one woman try again this morning and can 
see it on the archive but not in my email -but other postings have been 
successful!!
Please help me.  I have several members upset about the delay or lack 
of delivery and I can't find out what's going on.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail delivery not consistent and very slow

2008-11-18 Thread Ed at JustBrits 
Jewel wrote:

---I recently upgraded my Mailman onto a new machine.  It appeared
---everything was running smoothly except now I have users saying they are
---posting and not seeing it come through.  All messages are successfully
---posting to the archives and I am seeing most messages get delivered but
---not 100%.  I have read the FAQ's and followed all of the suggestions
---without any errors:
---http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030722
---http://tinyurl.com/6xrrju*
---
---*My smtp-failure and error logs are not helping me determine what's
---wrong. Whenever I post a test to any list so far it always gets
---delivered. But I have a few users who said they have tried several times
---and don't see anything.  I had one woman try again this morning and can
---see it on the archive but not in my email -but other postings have been
---successful!!
--- Please help me.  I have several members upset about the delay or lack
---of delivery and I can't find out what's going on.
---
---Jewel
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Jewel, I am sure that it would help the gurus if you tell us if you see
a/any given ISP involved.

I had a prob with a couple gmail users on ONE of my Lists which my hosting
Tech gent was able to solve [I don't have a clue, Mark -:):):)].

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mail delivery not consistent and very slow

2008-11-18 Thread Jewel 
I know it's not a gmail problem because it's happening with so many 
lists. I did notice that my CPU is almost always at 100% due to python - 
don't know why.  I know my machine is spitting out lots of mail but 
cannot figure out what there is such a delay. 


Ed at JustBrits wrote:

Jewel wrote:

---I recently upgraded my Mailman onto a new machine.  It appeared
---everything was running smoothly except now I have users saying they are
---posting and not seeing it come through.  All messages are successfully
---posting to the archives and I am seeing most messages get delivered but
---not 100%.  I have read the FAQ's and followed all of the suggestions
---without any errors:
---http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030722
---http://tinyurl.com/6xrrju*
---
---*My smtp-failure and error logs are not helping me determine what's
---wrong. Whenever I post a test to any list so far it always gets
---delivered. But I have a few users who said they have tried several times
---and don't see anything.  I had one woman try again this morning and can
---see it on the archive but not in my email -but other postings have been
---successful!!
--- Please help me.  I have several members upset about the delay or lack
---of delivery and I can't find out what's going on.
---
---Jewel
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Delivery System

2007-09-12 Thread Alexandros G. Fragkiadakis 
On Tue, September 11, 2007 18:24, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Alexandros G. Fragkiadakis wrote:


 the last few days i get hundreds of warnings like the following:

 Transcript of session follows.


 Out: 220 xxx.xxx.xxx.xx ESMTP Postfix
 In:  ehlo xxx.xxx.xxx.xx
 Out: 250-xxx.xxx.xxx.xx
 Out: 250-PIPELINING
 Out: 250-SIZE 2048
 Out: 250-VRFY
 Out: 250-ETRN
 Out: 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN
 Out: 250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN
 Out: 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
 Out: 250-8BITMIME
 Out: 250 DSN
 In:  mail FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] size=1059
 Out: 250 2.1.0 Ok
 In:  rcpt TO:megan
 Out: 451 4.3.0 megan: Temporary lookup failure
 In:  rset
 Out: 250 2.0.0 Ok
 In:  quit
 Out: 221 2.0.0 Bye



 For some reason mailman tries to send email to users like megan. This
  user does not even exist.

 Do you have any ideas what can be wrong?



 First, your MTA appears to be doing DNS verifies during SMTP from
 Mailman. This is not good. See
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.011.htp.


 When your MTA receives the 'rcpt TO:megan' and responds with a '451',
 Mailman queues the message in it's retry queue and retries in 15
 minutes. Thus the vast number of attempts to send to 'megan'.

 The 'megan' address can come from anywhere. It is unlikely to be a list
 member, but it may be an owner or moderator. Mailman's

 bin/find-member --owner megan

 will find an owner or mmember, but not a moderator.

 More likely, this is a rejection notice in response to a non-member
 post (undoubtedly spam) to a list.

 You need to find Mailman's retry queue (normally qfiles/retry, but in
 FHS compliant RedHat /var/spool/mailman/retry). You can look at the
 entry/entries with

 bin/show_qfiles qfiles/retry/*

 which will show you the contents of the entries. From this, you can then
 determine the list and whether this is an owner or moderator or just spam
 and remove the unwanted files from the queue.

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Thanks, it stopped now. Probably a spam caused this.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail Delivery System

2007-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Alexandros G. Fragkiadakis wrote:

the last few days i get hundreds of warnings like the following:

Transcript of session follows.

 Out: 220 xxx.xxx.xxx.xx ESMTP Postfix
 In:  ehlo xxx.xxx.xxx.xx
 Out: 250-xxx.xxx.xxx.xx
 Out: 250-PIPELINING
 Out: 250-SIZE 2048
 Out: 250-VRFY
 Out: 250-ETRN
 Out: 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN
 Out: 250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN
 Out: 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
 Out: 250-8BITMIME
 Out: 250 DSN
 In:  mail FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] size=1059
 Out: 250 2.1.0 Ok
 In:  rcpt TO:megan
 Out: 451 4.3.0 megan: Temporary lookup failure
 In:  rset
 Out: 250 2.0.0 Ok
 In:  quit
 Out: 221 2.0.0 Bye


For some reason mailman tries to send email to users like megan. This
user does not even exist.

Do you have any ideas what can be wrong?


First, your MTA appears to be doing DNS verifies during SMTP from
Mailman. This is not good. See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.011.htp.

When your MTA receives the 'rcpt TO:megan' and responds with a '451',
Mailman queues the message in it's retry queue and retries in 15
minutes. Thus the vast number of attempts to send to 'megan'.

The 'megan' address can come from anywhere. It is unlikely to be a list
member, but it may be an owner or moderator. Mailman's

  bin/find-member --owner megan

will find an owner or mmember, but not a moderator.

More likely, this is a rejection notice in response to a non-member
post (undoubtedly spam) to a list.

You need to find Mailman's retry queue (normally qfiles/retry, but in
FHS compliant RedHat /var/spool/mailman/retry). You can look at the
entry/entries with

  bin/show_qfiles qfiles/retry/*

which will show you the contents of the entries. From this, you can
then determine the list and whether this is an owner or moderator or
just spam and remove the unwanted files from the queue.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail delivery fails with (-2, 'Name or service not known')

2007-03-08 Thread Mark Sapiro 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

When I try to access to python shell with mailman user ( @# su  
mailman ) I've got a error :
This account is currently not available.


Try running these as any 'ordinary' user - not root.

Also try sending mail using the example in the post at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-May/044746.html.

If the x = smtplib.SMTP() in this script succeeds, but there is a
failure after that, try adding

x.set_debuglevel(1)

immediately following

x = smtplib.SMTP()


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[Mailman-Users] Mail delivery fails with (-2, 'Name or service not known')

2007-03-07 Thread noc 
Hi,

I'm in trouble. I've read the FAQ and everything about it on mailman site.

My problem is described in the FAQ (6.14) :
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.014.htp

I see these log entries in smtp-failure:
  Dec 22 21:03:29 2004 (1060) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed  
with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known')
  Dec 22 21:18:32 2004 (1060) Low level smtp error: (-2, 'Name or  
service not known'), msgid:  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Dec 22 21:18:32 2004 (1060) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed  
with code -1: (-2, 'Name or service not known').

This python script :
   import smtplib
   connection = smtplib.SMTP()
  

didn't return any error to me... So I've look in my resolv.conf file.


My resolv.conf look like this :

search domainname.com
nameserver 193.24.123.123

but my computer name is ns50.domainname.com. Should I have  
domainname.com in resolv.conf or ns50.domainanme.com ?

I've tried that in python shell :
 import socket
 x = socket.gethostname()
 print x
ns50.domainname.com
 y = socket.gethostbyname(x)
 print y
127.0.0.1

So i've aded nameserver 127.0.0.1 to my resolv.conf . I've rebooted  
this computer and restarted mailman daemon.

But the problem is always here ...

When I try to access to python shell with mailman user ( @# su  
mailman ) I've got a error :
This account is currently not available.

So I can't test this python shell script with mailman user ...

I've look my /etc/hosts, I think it's world readable :
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ls -lah /etc/hosts
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 135 Feb  2 16:21 /etc/hosts


What should I do ?
Any tips ?

I have this problem since two week from now ... and I can't see how to  
solve that :(

Thanks you if you have a tips !

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail delivery notification

2006-12-19 Thread John W. Baxter 
On 12/15/06 6:45 PM, Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 10:48 AM -0300 12/15/06, Andres Tarallo wrote:
 
  We need to receive a notification that the suscribers had received the mail.
  We where thinking in adding a header that makes the mail client return an
  automatic answer.
 
 You can put in a header that some mail clients will recognize, and
 which may be configured to allow a return receipt to be generated.
 However, not all clients understand that concept at all, there have
 been multiple different attempts and standards to try to achieve this
 goal, and some of those multiple attempts are mutually incompatible.

Not to mention that it could be the visiting 8 year old grandson who sees
the message, tells the MUA to return the receipt (or the MUA options are set
so that is implicit), then deletes the message.

Not only does the sender not control the automated parts of the path, the
sender doesn't control the human element at the receiving end.

  --John


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[Mailman-Users] Mail delivery notification

2006-12-15 Thread Andres Tarallo 
We're deploying mailman to deliver information to a lot of people (1200
suscribers). The suscribers can't post to the list.

We need to receive a notification that the suscribers had received the mail.
We where thinking in adding a header that makes the mail client return an
automatic answer.

Any help will be appreciated

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail delivery notification

2006-12-15 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Andres Tarallo wrote:

We need to receive a notification that the suscribers had received the mail.
We where thinking in adding a header that makes the mail client return an
automatic answer.


Don't do it. It is totally unreliable, and only serves to annoy people.

No matter what Header(s) you use, some MUAs won't recognize it, and
those that do generally offer the user the option of not returning the
receipt.

Many people who see that you've asked for a receipt for mailing list
mail will be annoyed by the fact.

The best you can do is monitor bounces from your list mailings. Your
outgoing MTA will try to deliver all the mail. It will return bounces
for the mail which isn't accepted by the receiving MTA. Receiving
MTA's that accept the mail may later return a bounce, may silently
discard the mail or may deliver it to the recipients mailbox where it
may or may not be read.

Thus, you know what you sent and you know what bounced. Of the rest,
you can never be sure no matter what you do.

If you really need confirmation, ask the recipient to reply. This is
better than anything else you can do.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail delivery notification

2006-12-15 Thread Brad Knowles 
At 10:48 AM -0300 12/15/06, Andres Tarallo wrote:

  We need to receive a notification that the suscribers had received the mail.
  We where thinking in adding a header that makes the mail client return an
  automatic answer.

You can put in a header that some mail clients will recognize, and 
which may be configured to allow a return receipt to be generated. 
However, not all clients understand that concept at all, there have 
been multiple different attempts and standards to try to achieve this 
goal, and some of those multiple attempts are mutually incompatible.

Unless you can guarantee that all subscribers will only have a 
certain client available to them, and no possibility whatsoever of 
forwarding their mail somewhere else or being able to use any other 
type of client, and that this one required client will support 
whatever standard you care to choose, then there are no guarantees 
that you'll be able to enforce this requirement.  Moreover, some mail 
servers are configured to strip all such headers, so even if all the 
mail clients are fully compliant with your requirements, you also 
have to guarantee that all mail servers are likewise compliant with 
those requirements.


If you can't enforce those kinds of hard draconian requirements on 
everyone, then you're screwed.

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[Mailman-Users] Mail delivery bounces - why

2006-03-21 Thread Jewel 
I just replaced an old mailman server last night and was sent an email 
saying that mail is bouncing.  What could be causing this?

Subject:
Uncaught bounce notification
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:21:32 -0600

To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).

For more information see:
http://lists.washburn.edu/mailman/admin/bna-uslawweeknews/bounce




Subject:
Mail Delivery Problems
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:21:29 -0600

To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


The following message from [EMAIL PROTECTED], addressed to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

is still undelivered after 10 attempts, and will be deleted from message queue.

3/21/2006 10:03:11 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:05:13 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:07:15 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:09:17 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:11:19 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:13:21 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:15:23 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:17:25 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:19:27 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:21:29 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail delivery bounces - why

2006-03-21 Thread Jewel 
The old server had the email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the list 
administator.  But now email is trying to deliver to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   How can this be corrected?

Jewel wrote:

I just replaced an old mailman server last night and was sent an email 
saying that mail is bouncing.  What could be causing this?

Subject:
Uncaught bounce notification
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:21:32 -0600

To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).

For more information see:
http://lists.washburn.edu/mailman/admin/bna-uslawweeknews/bounce




Subject:
Mail Delivery Problems
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:
Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:21:29 -0600

To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


The following message from [EMAIL PROTECTED], addressed to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

is still undelivered after 10 attempts, and will be deleted from message queue.

3/21/2006 10:03:11 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:05:13 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:07:15 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:09:17 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:11:19 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:13:21 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:15:23 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:17:25 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:19:27 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused
3/21/2006 10:21:29 AM - Winsock error when communicating with exchanger 
lists.washlaw.edu: 198.252.9.198: [10061] Connection refused

  


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail delivery bounces - why

2006-03-21 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Jewel wrote:

The old server had the email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the list 
administator.  But now email is trying to deliver to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   How can this be corrected?

Change it on the lists admin web interface General Options page.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail delivery bounces - why

2006-03-21 Thread Jewel 
I went into a few lists and see that the email is 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  I don't know where this [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
is coming from.  I am assuming this is some default setting within 
Mailman or somewhere esle which I need to locate and change.  I never 
created the account manually.  I upgraded Mailman like usual.  The name 
of my host is lists.washlaw.edu.

Thanks!

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Jewel wrote:

  

The old server had the email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the list 
administator.  But now email is trying to deliver to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   How can this be corrected?



Change it on the lists admin web interface General Options page.

  


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail delivery bounces - why

2006-03-21 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Jewel wrote:

I went into a few lists and see that the email is 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  I don't know where this [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
is coming from.  I am assuming this is some default setting within 
Mailman or somewhere esle which I need to locate and change.

There are no default addresses that mailman sends to. If mailman is
trying to send something to [EMAIL PROTECTED], it is either a
response to something from that address or that address is an owner,
moderator or member of some list. Have you checked the site (mailman)
list?

I upgraded Mailman like usual.

From what version to what version?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail delivery failure

2002-01-31 Thread Magnus Stenman 

You stuffed up the ownerships/permissions on the files/directories
while restoring from backup. 

Specifically this file was not possible to read:
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/tf-board_tolefriends.com/config.db

maybe try to run the included check_perms
or have a look at the backups for the proper attributes of the files.


/magnus

Anne Strebe wrote:
 
 After our three lists were down yesterday and we found out that our Linux
 system did have a power outage due to snow storms in Minesota, we were able
 to recover the lists from the backup. We can now access all three lists
 through the control panel, but
 
 1)around 9.00 pm EST we got the bug message for each list when trying
 to access the administrator's section.
 
 2)Since 11.00 pm EST, the page does not load at all
 
 3)A test message to one of the lists brings the following return
 message:
 
 Which steps should we do next to re-activate the mailing lists?
 
 Thanks, Anne
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Mail Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:44 PM
 Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
 
  This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).
 
  A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
  recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
 
pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post
 tf-board_tolefriends.com
  generated by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Child process of virtual_address_pipe transport returned 1 from
 command:
  /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper
 
  The following text was generated during the delivery attempt:
 
  -- pipe to |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post
 tf-board_tolefriends.com
 generated by [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
 
  Traceback (innermost last):
File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/post, line 94, in ?
  main()
File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/post, line 73, in main
  mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 79,
 in __init__
  self.Load()
File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 891,
 in Load
  dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
File /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 868,
 in __load
  fp = open(dbfile)
  IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
 '/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists/tf-board_tolefriends.com/config.db
 '
 
  -- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. --
 
  Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Received: from rs9s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net ([200.44.32.49])
  by hydro.sourcedns.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1)
  id 16WUd0-00048v-00
  for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:44:42 -0500
  Received: from computer (nas1-058.ras.poz.cantv.net [161.196.213.59])
  by rs9s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.10.2/8.10.2/2.0) with SMTP id
 g113ifd32012
  for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:44:41 -0400
  Message-ID: 01fa01c1aad2$cab1f980$3bd5c4a1@computer
  Reply-To: Anne Strebe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  From: Anne Strebe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject:
  Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:44:19 -0400
  Organization: Arcas del Arte
  MIME-Version: 1.0
  Content-Type: text/plain;
  charset=iso-8859-1
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
  X-Priority: 3
  X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
  X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.
  X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.
 
 
 
 
 
  Anne Strebe, SDP, FPDA
  Puerto Ordaz, Venezuela
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  http://tolefriends.com
  http://arcas.paintwebs.com
  http://paintwebs.com
  **
  Rom. 8:28
 
 
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